“In the second part of his interview with Hamas leader Khaled Meshaal, CBS News’ Charlie Rose attempted to ascertain whether Hamas’ goal was to actually defeat Israel militarily, an aim that seems unrealistic given the disparity between the two forces. Meshaal insisted that history had always been against what he called “occupiers” in the end, citing the American Revolution.
“The world has two choices,” Meshaal said. “They need to help us peacefully reach this state or we will expel this occupation from our land.”
“So unless the world will take the Israelis out of the West Bank and Gaza, you will expel them militarily,” Rose said. “That’s your objective. You believe you can do that?””* The Young Turks host Cenk Uygur breaks it down.
*Read more here from Evan McMurry / Mediaite:
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/charlie-rose-to-hamas-leader-you-think-you-can-defeat-israel-militarily/
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By far the stupidest segment of Young Turks I’ve ever seen.
Completely misunderstands the role of Abbas and the Palestinian Authority — Israel, the U.S. and other Western countries prop them up to control the Palestinians. The PA’s acquisition of UN status, while fully justified, has produced little beyond symbolism so far.
Preaches ‘non-violence’ to Palestinians, completely ignoring decades of it. Including the first intifadah, whose most violent acts were children throwing stones at Israeli tanks. Including, particularly, the post-2000 demonstrations in several communities whose land Israel has stolen — that has produced nothing except more relentless theft of Palestinian land and resources.
Conflates — as Israel, AIPAC and even Obama desire — recognition of Israel with recognition of it as a Jewish state. The former would recognize a negotiating partner; the latter would recognize its institutional discrimination against Palestinians within Israel and deny the internationally recognized, inalienable right of dispossessed people to return to their homes.
Would condemn Nelson Mandela for refusing to renounce violence, as he did in the 1980s when the ANC’s military prospects seemed as hopeless as Hamas’s (until Cuba and Angola defeated the South African military). Effectively denies the right of an occupied people to resist.
Correctly says the shoe should be on the other foot; Israel should be recognize Palestine at least at the same moment Hamas recognizes Israel (which it has already done in many ways, but without yet giving up the store). But does so in an abusive, ignorant rant that will make the Reut Institute happy.
Shame on Young Turks.
Man,you so right on this.
Great shows you guys and girls make here!
I feel like they are asking the question in a very one sided manner, trying to give an advantage to Israel. It is understandable that Palestinians would have some ill will towards Israel, considering the history between the two states since the early 1900’s. I’d like to point out the Balfour Declaration, which was a treaty signed between the U.N. and Palestine in order to acquire Arab support during world war 1. It confirmed and guaranteed that a portion of Arab land would be named as a Jewish National Homeland for them to live in, and also guaranteed that the neighboring Arab nations would be under the sovereignty and protection of Great Britain.
After the establishment of this National Homeland (Israel) the treaty was violated BY ISRAEL. The newly established nation began expanding it’s borders, violently occupying other nation’s land and displacing it’s occupants elsewhere, causing friction between other Arab tribes and the Jews, as well as between each other. Great Britain sent a letter to the Israel Prime Minister and told them to stop, but they kept expanding and everyone just kind of looked the other way.
What we are seeing now is the result of this expansion. The various other Arab nations have seen so much of this from Israel that they sincerely do not believe that there can be a peaceful co-existence between them. They see Israel as an enemy and don’t want to negotiate with them, they want them to give back their land and then stay off their land. After all this time, it’s understandable that they would not be willing to settle for anything less. What would the rest of the United States do if Texas suddenly started expanding northward, claiming Louisiana, Arkansas, Oklahoma and New Mexico as part of Texas? They would tell us to stop the bullshit we’re doing. What if we then said “Hell no” and continued on to invade and claim Colorado and Kansas as part of “Texas”? Would everyone just ignore this as we continued onward until other states started fighting us? And would they chastise the other states for defending themselves against us invading them?
Like I said. It’s understandable, the Palestinian opinion of Israel. Personally though, I really don’t like that we are defending Israel, they bark too much and start too many squabbles for their own good, and we always end up sorting out their mess.
Asking him this question, is like asking Fredrick Douglas the question. “I know you want conditions for slaves to improve, and for them to get status as human beings. But do you want to co-exist as second class citizens without legal protections within the the Confederacy?”
That is not hyperbolic.
The ultraconservative right wingers are not any better than the KKK, and Arial Sharon, was the equivalent of Nathan Bedford Forest, a war hero who committed atrocities who was revered by his supporters.
Right wing militias regularly go on armed raids to Palestinian areas, They have parades through the west bank, antagonizing Palestinians to respond. If they meet resistance the IDF shows up like the police force to keep the streets open so cohorts of “patriots” can defend their supremacy.
The parallel is even more stark than Americans are led to believe. Limiting food and medical supplies, destroying schools and attacking
If the Israeli Para-militants are not terrorists, with governmental complicity, then the KKK was not either, they were a Community Awareness Group.
This situation is like the Greenwood massacre during the Tulsa race riots. It is madness to hear people justify it. The murder of the students is a pretense. When the IDF gratuitously shoots Palestinian youths, they are always labeled “terrorists”. (Terrorist who were playing soccer at a park.)
You have to look to see.