TYT Old School July 20, 2017

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Cenk, Michael, Jayar and Ben talk pool etiquette, marijuana, missed calls, slavery on television and celebrity sex scandals.

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  2. Hypothyroidism….

    It’s not always that easy to treat, you should be checked with an ultrasound to see if it’s autoimmune and, if so, TSH should be kept around 1. Unless induced by a medicine or other illness, most hypo is autoimmune. You may feel fine now, but eventually you would have crashed, so good they found it.

    Meds should be separated from food by a good two hours.

    Ideally you should be treated by an endocrinologist, particularly for follow-up testing.

    Studies have shown some links between autoimmune thyroiditis and grain intolerance.

    It can be genetic, watch your kids as they get older, particularly your girl. In our family, one was hyper, one was hypo, and we didn’t learn it came from dad until he was tested in his seventies.

  3. where I used to take swimming lessons at an indoor pool, we had to shower off before and after we swim.

  4. …Wow. Shit man, wtf?! I mean Wes of all people? They had to have talked about it during yesterday’s Old School.

    1. I don’t know that there was an Old School yesterday, I don’t remember anybody saying during hour 1 or 2 yesterday to stick around for Old School, and as you can tell there is no video uploaded for it either.

  5. On the pool thing – it’s usually to get off the sunscreen and other lotions – sweat is no problem

    1. Was there an Old School last night? I’m wondering if the Wes thing might have had them not do it, since that was the primarily the show that Wes was on.

        1. Yeah, he went full on paranoid delusions over the last couple weeks, posted this on his Facebook:

          July 24 at 10:51am ·

          First, let me say I know a thing or two about information warfare. I watched the former Yugoslavia descend into murder and mayhem, I watched Syria descend into murder and mayhem, I watched Russia pull apart former Soviet Republics, most notably Ukraine, and I watched Erdogan accumulate power for years, his final act being a phony coup which has allowed him to round up and execute enemies.

          The first thing to understand about information warfare is that it is useless unless the hostile party funds both the left and the right, for civil disorder and intrastate violence is always the goal in weakening the opponent. Our election was hacked last fall. One of the key players, Michael Flynn, worked for both Russia and Turkey.

          I called Cenk Uygur on June 13, 2017 to report my fears that one of his reporters might be wittingly or unwittingly involved in the messaging to set up a false flag attack on the United States later this year in order to save Trump’s Presidency. Cenk told me he was on a plane in Milan, Italy about to take off for Istanbul and that he would not return to the United States until 21 June 2017. My first question was, “How can Cenk freely move in and out of Turkey when only days earlier Erdogan tried to extradite from Romania an Oklahoma NBA player for things his father said about the Turkish regime?”

          I was followed by 4 Wolf Pac bots in the next 72 hours and it got me thinking. My computer also began updating itself every 24 hours with a Turkish language app I have never downloaded and I cannot remove or find on my computer. I started to think about foreign agents and the easiest way to recruit and control them is through vices. Cenk told me shortly before we shot an Old School episode in the fall of 2016 that he’d lost close to $20,000.00 in a single night of gambling in Las Vegas – this stuck in my head because it is greater than the cumulative pay Cenk rewarded me with over 14 years of working with the Young Turks and angered me because they pay their employees a pittance while braying about income inequality.

          Cenk moved to the US at the age of 8 or 9 and travels back and forth to Turkey, where his father owns a successful business, at will. Why is the show called The Young Turks, a group that pioneered ethnic cleansing and genocide in the 20th Century and from which the Nazi’s drew much of their inspiration? Why is Cenk’s political action committee, supposedly created to overturn Citizen’s United, called Wolf PAC?

          I began researching these things online and quickly came across an article written by Common Cause President Karen Hobart Flynn on April 6th, 2017. I know what an organized troll attack to discredit others looks like as I’ve been the victim of a few myself and it was obvious that Common Cause came under attack for this article everywhere online. It is listed below.

          http://www.commoncause.org/…/young-turks-attack-on-common.h…

          I spoke with Karen Hobart Flynn and a couple staffers from Common Cause a few weeks later and she told me that Cenk had told her any attack on Wolf PAC was a “declaration of war.”

          The messaging language on the Young Turks is rather consistent – do not pay attention to the mainstream press (organizations that fail to deliver the truth consistently but nonetheless have actual reporters rather than simply reporting on stories they’ve found on Reddit each day), do not pay attention to claims of Russian interference in the election, Hillary is the same as Trump, accusations of a “deep state” operating in the United States (Erdogan’s propagandists made similar claims before that liar staged a false coup).

          Then I began to wonder where Young Turks gets its money from. Out in the open is the $4 million loan convertible to equity that Buddy Roemer, former governor of Lousiana put into TYT. They also receive support from members of Nexus, an organization for inherited wealth with a worldwide membership set to inherit trillions of dollars in the next decade. Not out in the open is the source of the anonymous donations, which I believe contain laundered money but I have no concrete proof.

          I googled Turk and Wolf which brought up the Grey Wolves, a pan-Turkic terror organization funded by drug money. Remember the guy that pulled out a pistol and shot and killed a Russian diplomat in Turkey in the fall of 2016 in an art gallery on live TV? That was Erdogan doing Putin a favor.

          I reported these concerns to the FBI, Congressman Ro Khanna and Senator Sheldon Whitehouse on 17 June 2017 because, despite my disagreements with many of our government policies, I took an oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States from all enemies – foreign and domestic.

          While Cenk was still in Turkey, I met with Ana Kasparian and some of the investigators on the Kathleen Bennett case – which implicates Michael A Wood jr in paying mercenaries that jailed an innocent Lakota woman at Standing Rock but also provided proof that Michael kept for himself over $400,000.00 in funds raised to help Water Protectors. Ana was not allowed to run the story on Young Turks.

          On 3 July 2017, my wife left the house to get a manicure around 4:30 in the afternoon. Fifteen minutes later Cenk called and thirty seconds after that an OH-58 Scout helicopter with mustard, gold and white trim hovered over my house. I know what an OH-58 looks like because I was in 2/7 Cavalry and 1-10 Cavalry and we had them in our unit – although in the 90s ours didn’t have the big ball above the rotor blade or on the bottom of the hull that collects electronic intercepts like this one did.

          Despite the sound of the chopper, Cenk denied hearing it and suggested I was seeing things. He then proceeded to tell me that:

          1. Cenk didn’t know who told me about the gambling loss in Vegas but that people were spreading malicious rumors about him. I always find it amusing when a liar tells me I didn’t hear something that came from their own mouth.
          2. Wolf PAC had nothing to do with an Article V convention and that Common Cause was a tool of the “elite” and “Clintonites” both of which I know to be false.
          3. Cenk claimed he didn’t know what Grey Wolves even are, which is about as believable as an Alabaman telling you they never heard of the KKK.
          4. Cenk said three times that he was worried I was so paranoid I might “accidentally” murder my wife.

          Needless to say I reported this encounter to the FBI as well. I will not be intimidated. I will not be terrorized. I have no fear because God is with me.

          Tremble before the Lord because has given me a sword in my mouth – the sword of Truth.

          1. sheesh…that’s bad.
            I’ve been watching wes on TYT for so long, and as foolish as it may sound, after a while it really does feel like you know them… at least a little. He’s the last person I’d ever think would go in this direction.

            I hope he’s okay. I hope he gets the help that he needs. I hope he find his way back.

            This is all really sad. Mental health is nothing to be fucked with.

            1. I hear ya, as members we get to experience so much of their lives and personalities because of how awesome and open people they all are, they feel like friends. I gotta admit even though it sounds silly, I was initially a bit hurt by the accusations Wes made about Cenk and co. I really hope he gets better soon. Its a huge shame since Wes is sooo intelligent and has such great life experiences, I always felt that his presence gave the show gravitas and legitimacy, always one of my favorite people to watch. Especially on Old School, where it felt that you were hanging out with them.

  7. Well… I’ve never smoked or used weed… and I think it should TOTALLY be LEGAL!! It’s just a scam for the government to make money (through the prison system – which is disgusting!) It honestly makes zero sense that alcohol is legal – which turns a lot of people into mean shits – and causes so many accidents & deaths…. And, yet, marijuana is deemed a “worse” substance. Fake news at its finest!

    TOKE IT UP, BABY!

    ~ Carrie*

  10. THIS is the OLD SCHOOL I LOVE!
    I love Cenk’s lists. They make the show along with Ben, Michael & JR.
    This was like some of the EPIC OLD “Old School” episodes.
    Thanks for staying late and doing this for us old timer members!

  11. Again I say it, all this fuss about the show “Confederate” and not one word about “Handmaiden Tale”. Parts of the world it is that bad for my ppl (women). In the US we get raped and killed, it doesn’t even make the news. Every HBO show has naked women so guys watching can get off. Not a word about how those actors feel. “here’s a role for you, but you have to be naked, and have an unrealistic looking body”
    I AM SICK OF IT. Why can’t even libs see that women get treated just as crappy as the black man facing a frightened cop.

    1. You should be more specific when you say women get treated just as crappy as black men. Does a a straight, middle class, white woman get treated as badly as a black man facing a frightened cop ? Probably no, more often than not she would get treated better. What about a poor black trans-woman? It’s likely she gets treated worse.

  13. My movie idea for a long time was to have a character travel back in time and warn the Native Americans that the Europeans were going to invade them then unite them and have them conquer Europe. The reason I liked this idea is because if I could go back in time and do this I would. Now ask yourself why would the Game of Thrones creators produce a show where they rewrite history and have the confederacy win? Maybe if they could they’d take their asses back in time and help the confederacy win.

  15. I hate voicemails, I typically hate talking on the phone, I hate all that mess. I am with Jayar don’t leave me a voicemail… seriously don’t. However, I love that on my phone I can now read my voicemails. It will get a few things wrong but nothing I can’t figure out by context, especially because it is typically names. My grandmother leaves me the longest messages and I love her and that’s just her way and I would never complain to her about it but I LOVE that I can just read her voicemails now. Read the info in less than half the time then just call her back when I can. I have a few family members that I consider voicemail offenders and it just *sigh*. Other people in my family are learning, my mom only leaves me voicemails if it’s an emergency now, my dad leaves me a one word voicemail saying “tag”.

    As for decriminalization vs legalization, I am with everyone making this comment, that makes no sense. It does nothing to fix the entire crime problem caused by the war on drugs. Not only that but decriminalization despite what people believe does not exactly mean “no jail”. It is usually no jail for a very small amount so cops could still bust people and have no violent offenders get sent to jail because “they had more than was ok for them to carry”. It’s like a quarter measure and a bs one at that. Also, a lot of people ARE making the argument that legalization is about ending the racism behind the war on drugs (specifically pot). There are a number of people out there that don’t actually agree with the use of drugs because would still support legalization because of the racism behind it. To act like the entire legalization movement is just a bunch of people that want to get high all the time and use the argument “well booze is legal” and nothing else is a touch insulting. Still think Michael is great but I think that was a whole lot of bs.

  16. Wow, it took clarifying that black twitter wasn’t a separate thing from twitter to get my head around why I had never heard of it before. And here I thought I was above average in the brains department.
    Gonna go out on a limb and say that a fictional history on the civil war where the south wins, in the era of fake news and alt right, and where uneducated and ignorant people are a huge empowered mass in our country, is more than a little scary.
    Guess that’s the point. Controversy usually has a proportionate effect on ratings. Even Trump is worth the suffering to broadcast companies who are cashing in on every stupid thing he says.
    Also- given the tons of racial diversity GOT has included, I’m suuuure this will be an empowering perspective right alongside Roots. Or maybe this will be a case of someone elevating another’s culture by showing graphic depictions of violence, you know, like Mel Gibson did for Jewish folks with the Passion of the Christ. How could this possibly go wrong?
    ? Can’t wait until “Caucasian twitter” starts sharing facts from Confederate and ‘winter is coming’ memes about oppression and slavery of black folks and the rise of the south. Ugh.

  17. Is Old School supposed to disolve into a Seinfeld episode to this degree? It’s like they went on and on and worked themselves into a contact high.

    Sometimes those conversations are fun and other times it’s… let’s move on.

    It’s so annoying listening to someone go on and on about something until they’ve beaten it into the ground.

    Paragraph after paragraph of nonsense that is mind numbingly annoying to make a point.

    … cough …

  18. Watching Old School on weed is 1st class. My girlfriend must think I’m retarded. When you guys laugh, I laugh with you.

    Great episode.

  20. Decriminalization isn’t enough. If it can’t be legally grown and sold then you still have the black market. If you still have a black market then you still have crime associated with that. You don’t have brick and mortar to lock up your product, and banks can’t take your money, so you can be easily robbed with no legal recourse. You aren’t paying taxes on your income or business, so you can go to jail – and the government loses tax revenue it would otherwise receive. Then we have RICO laws…
    There is really a big difference between decriminalization and legalization. I work at a grow operation in Washington state, but I still can’t get direct deposit because of federal law. We are taxed at ridiculous levels, we aren’t allowed to advertise our product, and there are crazy regulations about essentially being able to place each nug to not only a specific plant, but the mother plant which the clone came from until it is processed for quarantine in the packaging area

    1. Even medical and recreational is quite different. I used to work in a medical dispensary where patients could smell and handle the flower which budtenders would weigh on scales (we used chopsticks and always weighed over); and employees (who all had medical cards) could “medicate” on the job. With recreational the product has to be heat sealed – which is my main responsibility now at the grow operation. There are even regulations about sealing: flower product can have a tearaway strip, oil packaging must be sealed below the tearaway strip…

  21. BEN: ENOUGH ABOUT YOUR VACUOUS, EMPTY & USELESS CELEBRITY/MOVIE/ENTERTAINMENT CULTURE NEWS. I CAN’T BARE IT, YOU GO ON AND ON AND ON, ENOUGH ALREADY!

    WE’RE HERE FOR “THE CENK”, NOT ANY OF THE OTHERS.

  22. Confederate is just like Harry Turtledove’s Southern victory series. The series does not end well for the south. Does not end well for Canada either, my country. Canada is military occupied by the us.

  23. DUDE, SPEAKING OF PILLS THAT ALSO MAKE U LOSE WEIGHT? NIAGEN! LOOK IT UP. IT WORKS ON 100% OF PEOPLE. LOOK INTO IT.

    1. because your cellular reproduction (making copies of itself) goes back to how it was at age 18-20, you end up having the weight you had at that age as well. cuz this cellular process influences so many things that NIAGEN (NOT Niacin) has been dubbed a “cure all” by many age prolongation/longevity experts.

  24. I’ll watch the new HBO ‘Confederacy’ if Jayar watches it. I’ll stop if it turns out to be meaningless entertainment and not something I can take away some learning / thought provoking information from.

  26. Re Confederate, I’m with Jayar on that people are still living in slavery via our cruel justice system, and people don’t need more of that shoved in their faces.

    I just watched the series The Fall (Michael McKean had raved about it in a clip). I found the show offensive (and I’m no delicate flower), because it was more Woman as Tortured Victim crap–and I’m well aware many women are greatly oppressed in our world. I kept watching, because I wanted to see if there was some redeeming value in the series. Nope. It was well made (well, the writing could have been better), but a lot of stuff is well made these days.

    So even though I understand the potential educational value of Confederate (in the way Roots had for us older people), I don’t think Confederate can actually have a Roots impact on our nation. I think it will “Trumpize” its viewers. The MSM gave us Trump 24/7 in 2016 and the coverage wasn’t always flattering, yet that coverage “normalized” Trump. Confederate has the potential to normalize our current criminal justice system once the viewer makes that comparison.

  27. I don’t like having phone messages unanswered along with too much mail in my inbox. However, I will make the following statement when calling my mother, “Mom, this is your son Bill”. She does have a phone that will let her know who is calling her, but I still insist on making my comment.

  28. I like the new sofa if YOU guys find it comfy, but there needs to be armrests on all sides. Cenk didn’t have one so he looked kind of uncomfortable to me. Michael looked really comfy with two armrests. Why not put pillows on that long sofa so people can rest their arms on something? And how about some foot stools, an hour to 90 minutes is a long time to sit and talk without a desk — arms, butts and legs go to sleep and wake with pins and needles.

    Also what about a couple of TV tables? That’s really old school, you guys could put your drinks on them or even a TV dinner LOL. That coffee table is too low to reach over a fat middle or reach with an aching back, plus it’s got a standing TYT logo on it which is very cool BUT it’s taking up the room for notes and stuff.

    If you guys could find ways to make it better / more comfy / easier to blab than having a desk I’m all for it.,

  29. Really good sheeeewwww up in here today.

    You guys ever watch your fellow TYTer Kim Horcher’s Nerd Alert? Look for the one on PEE and FECES in the pool. It used to be just a handful of kids and immature adults when the population was lower, now it’s millions upon millions of baby boomers thinking they’re still 25 with continence problems AND diarrhea. Most of the problems come from non-insistence on SHOWERING before entering the pool area, cameras and automatic showers in the pool entrance eliminate lots of these. Cholera and flesh eating bacteria are real, I got one in my leg through athlete’s foot in one toe from that kind of pool water just ten days after it opened for the summer season, that required two months of antibiotic drips, two weeks off from work and three months of antibiotic pills to eliminate. It could’ve taken my life.

    Pools don’t change the water, they just filter it and human waste doesn’t filter out, it just returns and creates dangerous bacteria until the danger period is over, from a few days to a couple of weeks. You need to make sure you have no athlete’s foot, cuts or other injuries when you go, AND you need to shower before you go in the water. You also need to limit the number of times you go to avoid infection. We are dealing with pools being run they way they were 40 years ago but with double / triple the population including loads of foolish old baby boomers. Carry your own pH tester sticks, that will let you know in many ways if the water is safe. If you smell chlorine THAT means there is feces in the pool that the chemical is fighting so no go. There should be nearly no smell of chlorine in a safe pool.

    Don’t be hardheaded old school about pool safety guys. Study John Snow and the Broad Street Pump, learn and live well.

  30. So I like the new casual look, I think it’s more old school-y. I think a desk of some for might be cool, maybe the big microphones that ben always goes on about. As for the seats, maybe get 4 of Michael’s chair, or 3 other single chairs. Couch makes it look like a typical chat/interview show, and this isn’t – this is Old School TYT

  31. I want to see the show either way but I think the best approach will be a show with on the nose allegorical portrayal of the world we live in. Slavery is still present in America plain and simple. That portrayal could just bring our current situation into sharper relief, I think.

    I disagree with Cenk about a Confederate State being poor. They’d be doing great with all the free labor, gas and oil reserves and the blight of capitalism which will happily trade with them.
    Maybe NOW, as in this decade or within the last 2, a BDS type movement will be springing up perhaps concurrently with that in South Africa.

  32. I will agree with Jayar’s feelings on VM notifications or anything lining the top of my phone, It isn’t a phobia it’s just being tidy. Yes it makes my eye twitch somewhat when I see that red circle of VMs or missed calls. I am also terrible about calling people back. I am also 38 years old so yeah, I remember my beeper number, not quite as old Skool as the other gents.
    P.S. the only time I see a payphone is in Times Square or in some art exhibit or, yes one more “or”; in a consignment shop. I miss the simple things. I’m right in between.

  33. Seriously old school is the best. Second main reason why I’m a member other than just to give to the cause.

    Cenk and Ben are a must. I would rather just watch them Skype the days they can’t make it in than watch a bunch of shmucks sit around and try to be you guys haha

  34. My question is for Ben. What sneakers are those? They discontinued my favorite sneakers, PF Flyers Number 5s. I was upset. Those look great. Just curious even though i’m sure they were bargain bought. No inference intended.

  35. Ben nailed it. Cenk will still be fat.

    IDK, there are a lot of conservatives, like David Brooks, who have done pot but still want it to be illegal. They’re all like, I enjoyed it, nothing bad happened but it still shouldn’t be legal. That’s the mentality. I take full advantage of something but I don’t care if anyone after me can.

    I would vote for Confederate to air. I personally think any subject is okay to explore as long as it is done in a respectful manner and you punch up, not down. Maybe in some cases it can be “too soon.”

  36. If it’s a friend or family member I prefer to text, that way we can get back to each other when we aren’t busy. The one context where I prefer calls is if I’m contacting customer service or tech support because it’s a lot easier for them to ignore an email.

  37. Never occurred to me til Jayar said it but it is so true, black people overall, totally unaffected by Hispanics saying nigga like in the cultural slang context. I see it so much online and in life, doesn’t even register that hey wait they aren’t black lol. Very interesting

  38. Thanks, Deb! I’ll go sort through my emails… it would help if the gave the promo enough air time to pass on actual info.

    Yeah, not sure how “popular” their batch pins will be, but my household might bite…

    xo
    L

  39. Black twitter is a security blanket for those who will, much like the southern slave owner narrative is for Americans. They should surely make the show. You do not have to watch it nor the fanfare. You can not stop this train with sjw twitter jitters. How much content has been made to date that this audience has been equally resistant to. Are people as woke as they claim!

  40. So much of what we learn as children is, in its effect, an alternate history that I can’t understand the desire to muddy the waters further by creating more. This concept in general reminds me of a recent Dr. Who episode in which an alien race takes over the planet and inserts itself into the collective historical memory of humanity. I understand the desire to explore these ideas, to use this format as a way to dissect our current circumstances, and to, in an idealized outcome, create meaningful revelations meant to catalyze change; but the many possibilities for the effort to fall short are a bit alarming. I believe the episode centered around the danger of a generalized complacency, or acceptance, regarding the new homogenized version of the human story. Along the lines of what Jayar said, isn’t that kinda where we are at right now? So many people are fighting, throwing all of their effort into forcing many of us to realize that the way we thought things were, well, it just wasn’t so. As our society’s future diversifies more, as power begins to spread itself, the narratives – the historical stories – the past becomes increasingly more diversified as well. I’ll tell you what I want to see, I want to see an alternate account of reality where those voices which have been suppressed, those narratives that have gone unwritten,and those historical facts which have been written out were, instead, heard, were given the gravity and the merit they deserved within the basic curriculum. I think the jumping off point for that series would have to be somewhere in the future.

  41. just wanted to say that im 100% on-board with Jayar in the hatred of icons across the top of my phone

  43. The Confederacy TV show is full of landmines and would probably offend people from all directions. Hard to tell if there is a positive payoff without really seeing the direction they want to go with. They don’t have to do a revisionist history … why not just do a show on how the Southern Strategy came about; you know the modern confederacy faction that took over the GOP … truth based stories do more to move people then revisionism. They can even sprinkle in the rise of Corporate Dem’s within the party also … the 70’s and 80’s political decisions reverberate to this day in the US. BTW I don’t like the concept of the High Castle as well because one moment of humanising the Nazi’s or creating hero figures from within the movement creates a feeling of absolving from History the painful facts.

    I give a pass to the IG model putting on blast the NFL player. Obviously it was for notoriety but she could of flirted and became a mistress too … another route to notoriety I suppose. In any case it is a modern way of turning down a guy and any person who’s been turned down knows sometimes it can be public and quite embarrassing … so it’s natural and I bet he’ll change up his strategy the next time he tries this. The paparazzi on the other hand are disgusting what they do and I think to change them involves an individual decision to not care about the sleazy subject matter they cover.

    Yeah I hear you all on the get in the pool with no shower … but for the sake of public health and if it is a public pool especially I say do so for the collective good. It doesn’t have to be an indepth shower; a quick rinse is good enough to remove dust, dead skin, surface bacteria, and feces. After leaving the pool you should take a quick shower also to rinse the caustic Chlorine from the skin … that feeling Ben was mentioning was the caustic slow burn of acid on skin.

    Very good Old School; I like the concept of a set change up but maybe try a personal sofa like Micheal’s for each host. Also I’m into this show mostly for the Game of Thrones style political intrigue that you all have deep insights on when covering the lay of the land in politics. You can’t riff on several political issues for the subtle connections they have on the main show like you could on Old School. So you don’t have to cover politics 100% of the show but some updates on Justice Democrats, the background on the Manchin interview, how you see the game pieces going into 2018 … we need the Monday Night Quarterbacking on these issues; so talk your heart outs on that and feel no pressure to cover side stories.

    1. But Nazi’s were humans. That’s the thing-humans did this terrible thing to other humans. How about The Sopranos? Tony Soprano was fleshed out as a human person but they also showed all the horrible things he did. A mobster who is human but who still commits terrible acts.

      1. History is nuanced although what gets past down throughout history is the good/ evil connotations of the events. Projecting for example an idealised imagination of Nazi’s well into the future creates a paradigm that challenges history and hence why these imagined what-if stories are revisionist history that must walk a very fine line. Again the payoff is minimal … will gas chambers still be the norm for ethnic minorities like Jews? If so then are they portraying a world that has become numb to such a cravenly senseless act of state violence? If not then are they whitewashing history and portraying Nazis differently then what history knows to be fact? These pitfalls are what concern me because either scenario has a certain percentage of people who’ll buy into that universe and speak to it as fact … you know the 36% persistent Trump supporters.

        Content creators must now more than ever consider whether what they make helps in rationalising away the evils of humans or helps in countering the evils of humans. The Handmaids Tale is good at countering the evils of humans because it is totally fictional but feels real enough to stand as a forewarning. Highcastle is a show about Nazis who are still in power … not a forewarning to anything really since the fictionalised Nazi’s allow us to rationalise constantly the evils of humans as if we are back in the 40’s mindset. The TV show Genius about Albert Einstein does more to highlight the dangers of extreme runaway nationalism since for the most part it is historically accurate. All I’m saying is it’s a tight rope to walk and balance the subject matter if it is a rewrite of history, and the cautionary tale aspect is thrown out the window since the early proposition is for us to imagine the what-if … like having an automatic exit door nearby whenever it gets uncomfortable. Stick to history, stick to facts or go completely 100% fictionalised with entire stories like 1984 or HMT … we can draw many cautionary tales from them because we can’t walk away from the uncomfortable ideas in the universe they have established … there is no exit from their world given to us.

        1. Totally agree that it is a fine line to walk. Disagree that we should cater only to the lowest common denominator. If we only created content for Trump supporters, what kind of world would it be? Not one I would want to live in.

  44. you guys should watch CSA Spike Lee’s mockumentary about the CSA in modern times. just like that show. its actually really funny, while being factual about a lot of things.

  45. Quit it, Ben. Bernie was arrested and manhandled by Chicago police when he was a student at U of C. He was marching with parents protesting an unsafe situation with their kids in unsafe conditions. Apparently, kids were in portable classrooms near railroad tracks with no signals or gates. From the Chicago Tribune: “In 1963, controversial Chicago Public Schools Superintendent Benjamin C. Willis decided that placing aluminum trailers in black neighborhoods was the best way to ease overcrowding and keep school segregation intact. The modular units were put in vacant lots and on existing school grounds in neighborhoods such as Englewood, where the African-American school population was soaring in the early 1960s. Picketing, school boycotts and sit-ins ensued as the black community voiced outrage at the discrimination.”
    Bernie was there and always has been. I know because it was right around my house, on 73rd and Lowe.

    1. We used to call the portable classrooms “Willis Wagons”. I hated them, and they were around for seems like forever. I spent most of my elementary education years in those rusty old trailers.

    1. They make a great panel. Wish they could always appear together. Not sire about the whole couch thing, though. Fit in another armchair so everybody has their own elbow rest and the space feels comfortable between everybody. Ben looked squashed and uncomfortable between Jayar and Cenk, like being in the middle seat of an airplane row.

    1. members got an email with link to how to buy them. Unfortunately they cannot be purchased one at a time, you have to drop a minimum of $50-$70 to buy whole sets, and out of those sets, there’s only one I would ever wear.

      So I’m waiting for the new-gimmick thing to be over and individual pins made available on the regular TYT shop.

      Or, maybe they’ll always package them in large sets at a high price, in which case I’ll never buy. That’s okay, too. Life goes on.

  50. Really guys? Decriminalization? That’s like saying, “well, i’m not against single payer, but i would rather vote for obama care.” If marijuana is decriminalized, who sells it? It DOES NOT get rid of the black market. Someone speak up! There are four of you on the panel!!

    1. The reality is legalisation won the day and mostly for the reasons why all reasons win … the money. The business and commerce end of the marijuana industry has made significant inroads and is on the march to victory. Decriminalisation was an important concept like 15yr’s ago because Legalisation was not even an option but now it is more than viable to legalise.

    2. 100% true. Surprised Ben didn’t call him out on that very point. The whole reason for the associated violence is control of the supply and money.

    3. Yup. Ben kind of spoke up. We’ve already been through this same thing with Prohibition. Outlaw a drug and a whole violent group of outlaws rises up.

      1. to paraphrase Doug Stanhope, all drugs should be legalised ‘cos you own your own body, so you should be allowed to do what you like to it.

        i believe his exact phrasing is “even if u own nothing else, u own ur own meat”

        1. Yeah it’s not a fucking lease, if i want to have fun with it and try new shit, there is no authority with a legit reason to prevent me.

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