TYT Hour 1 August 9, 2018

In The Young Turks Hour 1 - On Demand by Waldo Peterson31 Comments

Cenk Uygur, Ana Kasparian. Rex Tillerson apparently prevented a war in Saudi Arabia. AP’s problematic factcheck on Bernie. CNN’s story on Tuesday’s progressive losses. AOC went to Hawaii to support Kaniela Ing. David Nunes tapes.

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  2. I just went to Politico’s site and read an by Derek Robertson, It was a fairly positive article on progressives winning in Tueday’s elections. They were very complimentery of Rashida Tlaib and her victory but wasn’t so nice to Ocasio-Cortez.

    Just wanted to point out a positive about Progressives by Politico.

  3. I’m going to say what everyone else is thinking–why was there so much goddamn clanking of dishes and silverware going on around the person recording this? ?? could you not tell them to shush so we can hear what our favorite Trumpette is saying?

  4. dratheart reminds me of the Hillary Clinton Supporter character Jimmy Dore had on his show.

    Remember dratheart if you want to contact Jimmy Dore and ask his opinion on something. He has two shows where you can contact him. While I don’t agress with everything he says, I am positve he is comfortable with his choices no matter how many times you ask people who are not Jimmy Dore.

  5. Interesting addition to the whole Saudi Arabia insanity. Canada recently tweeted out their dismay at Saudi Arabia’s human rights, in regards to a few people they have jailed. In response, the Saudi Prince pulled out all of their citizens who were being educated in Canada, expelled our embassy ambassador, recalled theirs, and is calling for our apology. Our Prime Minister, Trudeau, stood firm is saying that Canada will speak out about human right’s abuses around the world, and will not apologize for it. Interestingly, none of our allies have backed us up. It seems as though everyone is bought by the Saudi regime. Hard to understand considering all the atrocities they commit, and their support of terrorism. Pathetic response from everyone other than Canada seemingly.

  6. Can someone ban dratheart and his fucking Russian bot concern trolling? Fuck off back to your communist hovel, comradobot.

    If you like shitting on tyt why are you a member? We’re all here because we believe we will win in the end. If you have no faith in the moral arc of the universe, just fuck off.

    1. While dratheart is a loathsome individual who seems to kiss HRC’s feet whenever he has the opportunity, I don’t think we should throw around the “Russian Bot” and “Comrade” stuff so quickly. If we start accusing everyone we disagree with of being a russian bot or russian agent, even in jest, we dilute the term for actual alleged conspirators. That being said, dratheart is a piece of shit and I can’t figure out why he subscribes but hey, he pays and that supports TYT so more power to him.

    3. You can’t block drat, but you can just scroll by their comments. Likely we won’t miss much since they seem to go from lusting after Ana, to mindlessly bashing Bernie, progressives and progressive policies … not too original or interesting. I’m sure even Ana has no desire to read drat’s navel-gazing drivel.

  7. Medicare-For-All does have a serious problem in that Medicare “assignment” rates can be as little as 40% of a hospital or doctor’s “usual and customary charge” and just the minor cutbacks Medicare has been making to those payments already have many of the doctors I go to grumbling about them not being able to afford it. Socialized medicine works because the government owns the means of production (the hospitals, equipment, etc.). Medicare for all is not the “get rich” career that many doctors signed up for and that seriously needs to be addressed. That being said I do think all people should be able to access basic health care. I do worry that with all this focus on primaries Cenk is counting his chickens before they’ve hatched – they still (largely) have elections to win.

    But someone tell me, what’s the difference between Justice Democrats and Our Revolution? I thought I saw a story on TYT several months ago that the two groups MERGED? Was that not them? Aren’t they all Bernie-worshipers?

    1. One provider has told me, however, that Medicare For All would have one big benefit: It would greatly simplify billing and allow the provider to focus on treating the patient, rather than spending much of their day arguing with insurance companies.

      1. I’d agree with that, except that my doctors have had to spend the most time arguing with the Part D prescription plans over drugs I need pre-authorized or a formulary exception to. The biggest thing to do first IMO is to get drug prices down. Yes, SOME of the cost of drugs is due to the fact that America develops most of them which costs money, but that said the prices are still too high. The drug companies are downright criminal. In the past they’ve done things like file false patent lawsuits that have no merit against generic manufacturers knowing that even the 1 or 2 years it takes for those cases to come to trial will net them billions of dollars and then they only have to pay millions in fees which is still a net win for them. Crack down on the drug companies FIRST, then fix the rest!

        1. So you do in fact support the Part D competitive prescription price reforms in Medicare for All? Or is that just a distraction for us to chew on?

          1. I am not trying to create a distraction with this. I absolutely think that there needs to be prescription price reforms in Part D and lower prescription prices should be part of any Medicare for all deal. I DO get that companies make ridiculously high amounts of money in general and for many drugs and that most of them CAN AND SHOULD offer Americans lower prices (at least as much as they do for Canada!!). I also believe they can do this, still fund more research, and still make a profit. There’s no reason prices can’t come down other than oligarchs in our government and private industries wanting to get richer and that’s awful.

      2. There are larger benefits to the consumer. You wouldn’t have to fight insurers over forms and co-pays and deductibles. There would be little worry as to whether a particular operation is covered from either the provider or the consumer, cutting out much stress. You wouldn’t have to worry if a doctor was in network. Providers would not need to worry if someone was covered.
        Few people talk about how managing costs are included in healthcare. Get rid of the unnecessary bureaucracy, cutting out the middle man and both providers and consumers profit!

    2. I’m a nurse working for a health insurance company. When I was working on the floor, I would use about 30 10cc saline flushes a day. Once I started working for the insurance company I realized why the hospital was so adamant we scanned them into the computer. The hospital charges $10 per flush, I was charging patients $300 a day unknowingly. The biggest issue with medicare-for-all and those who oppose it, is the vast majority of people are completely uninformed at how unbelievably inflated hospital and pharmaceutical charges are. Charges that we could regulate under medicare-for-all.

      I say again, I’m a nurse working in private health insurance working with six physicians and nine other nurses. We’re the Inpatient Utilization Management dept. We approve and deny hospital treatments based on necessity. The patient gets the treatment regardless, we just decide if we’re going to pay the hospital or not (this is kind of a misnomer where people believe we decide what treatment you get). I don’t know what the six physicians make, but the nurses all make around $60k/yr. We’re a small independent company owned by Blue Cross + Blue Shield handling around 100k members. Our salaries alone would save healthcare millions of dollars.

      Now you may ask why I would want myself and my coworkers to lose our jobs. The healthcare industry is in major staffing trouble, most hospitals are working nurses to death to maintain staffing needs. If the ten of we seasoned nurses were back on the floors of the hospital, things would be a lot better. Watching hospital care from the perspective I have, looking in through the hospitals electronic medical records and watching where things go right or wrong, I can tell you that healthcare quality in this country is definitely suffering.

      Beneficii makes a good point, I argue with Docs regularly on non-emergent/urgent procedures and try to force patients out of the hospital. As long as the discharge is remotely safe and the patient’s condition can be followed up in the outpatient setting, we call the doc and tell them to discharge. When a patient is a medicare patient (most of our patients), we just let everything slide. The reason for this is, if the hospital tries to dick over medicare with exorbitant costs, they’re not going to get very far.

      On the inside of the health insurance industry, we’re all pulling for Medicare-for-All. Once you see the system for what it really is, it’s clear it’s not prioritizing patient care.

      1. Enthios~ Thank You for that perspective!
        While doing clinicals for CNA, I heard stories of having to clean & reuse colostomy & urine drainage bags, and other crazy stuff, because the insurance most of the residents had would not pay for new items.

        Even if we had Medicare4All, I don’t know if emptying & trying to disinfect colostomy bags would end. But, I think it’ another example of how out of whack pricing & actual costs are in America.
        The veterinary industry is also going this “Profit before Patient” route.

    3. Dratheart~Why are you worried about JDs & Our Rev merging or not merging?
      If they had merged, I guess it would make your Trolling as a Hillary-hugger easier.

      If everyone had Medicare4All, and doctors decided NOT to take Medicare patients, cuz they won’t make as much money, wouldn’t they soon be battling for the “money” clients? Most rich people are cheap as shit, and would be looking for docs with less expensive services. So they would have to either lower their prices to attract the rich or raise them to cover their own salaries, etc.

      Insurance companies do EVERYTHING possible to NOT pay for services. Doctors have a difficult time getting approval & payment for any services that ARE approved by insurance.
      Medicare is simpler & pays on time.

      Go ahead & defend the fucked up current healthcare system.
      I’m still getting random bills for labs that were done in 2017 and BCBS has decided not to pay for.

      1. Chetzmom, I know we’ve often battled here in the comments section but this time I really do share most of your opinions, I just have questions that we’ll need to answer of how to make Medicare for all work. If we answer these questions NOW and have a strategy to explain to voters about how address those problems, then we cut off people against it at the pass, see? Look, before I became disabled and insane at 19 years old, I wanted to be a doctor. Largely because I wanted to find a way to save my mom. I couldn’t, she passed 6 years ago at just 58 years old. I tell you this because I am ON Medicare and my mom was for years before she passed, so I am familiar with the system. “Dratheart” actually means “Doctor-At-Heart”, i.e. that whatever else I do or become, I care about health care and don’t want people to suffer and do without it. I started health care sciences and clinical rotations in high school at 15. Mom was also a nurse, and I helped her study as I grew up. I know what getting billed for stuff you can’t afford is awful, and I am sorry you’re going through that process. I support health care for everyone, I just want to be sure we know all we need to going in and how to implement it successfully. We don’t want a repeat of Obama’s ACA rollout, right?

        1. This is… surprising… Usually, your comments are trolling nonsense but I’m glad to see that you actually can be genuine at times. Might I suggest that you try this approach more often? Well reasoned, well thought out comments and arguments that actually help move a conversation forward rather than divisive snark and attacking comments.

          Thank you for giving me a little bit of hope today.

        2. When talking about Medicare for all our current champions for it (and many supporters) don’t make the best part of the argument for it. I am a disabled RN living on disability and have Medicare and a supplemental plan that is very affordable and I pay a total of $136 each month. My supplemental insurance company offers its subscribers pharmacy services that provides 3 months supply of each of my medications. As a further benefit, of the 13 different medications I take I only pay a copay on one of them of $22 every three months. Prior to being able to take advantage of this service I was paying more than $235 in co-pays for my meds and sometimes would have to forego filling important prescriptions because I had to pay rent and buy food. Now I have $210 plus each month freed up to pay for the co-pays for Doctor visits (I see 3 specialists as well as my primary Doc.) and a little more food.

          But that isn’t the best part about Medicare or a Medicare for all system. Medicare for all covers EVERYONE and still saves money compared with the current costs of health care in this country. The argument that because it pays less than what a hospital or physician charges, fewer people will want to become Doctors because they won’t get rich quick under that system or that fewer Doctors will take medicare patients is hogwash. Pricing for health care takes in account the numbers of uninsured people accessing the system and the lost revenue from them. That aspect of “cost” is immediately eliminated with 100% covered population and can and should bring the overall cost down. Not to mention the fact that facing the potential and actual loss of customers, private insurance companies will have to compete with Medicare bringing the cost of those plans down as well, saving money for those opting for private ins. Also as a result, health care providers will receive payment for services rendered from ALL the people they see. Medicare for all is a win-win situation and it’s time we joined the rest of the developed world and provide health care as a human right. The U.S. spends twice as much on health care than other developed countries with some form of socialized medicine and we have poorer outcomes. Preventative health care costs a heck of a lot less than treating preventable disease!

          1. Preventative care does cost less and would benefit us as a society. Heck, affordable immunizations are just common sense, for starters. If our population isn’t inoculated against basic diseases THAT can be a national security threat! If half the country (including our troops and representatives) are sick with pneumonia we could be really, really f’d if an enemy power chose to take advantage of that opportunity. Immunizations for example, when you complete the entire series of shots recommended by age 2 can boost our overall immune system function against OTHER diseases by as much as 20% according to some studies. If we could save 20% of health care costs that way, for example, we’d be a lot closer to funding Medicare for all. I’m really with you guys on this one I just think we have to proceed carefully to avoid another debacle. That said, there are things we can and should do IMMEDIATELY to help struggling Americans until we reach the goal of universal coverage.

  8. Cenk, why do you think print news media isn’t bought out just like TV news media, which you’ve seen and been involved in? It’s not “they’re scared of the right”. It’s that they serve the rich who primarily fund the right.

    The establishment news media is bought and paid for just as politicians are. They both serve their “donors”/bribers.

  9. Anyone still thinking that Trump is Putin’s puppet is being played. The only countries that are affecting US elections and policy in any meaningful way are the Saudis, UAE and Israel. Does no one remember that Trump opened 8 new businesses in Saudi Arabia during the 2016 campaign?? That Saudi Arabia was the first country that he visited as President? The glowing “magic orb”?

    Now we have Bibi Netanyahu bragging that he was the one who git Trump to pull out of the JPOA. Of course he was! We ascribe Trump’s decision to pull out of the Iran deal to his hatred of all things Obama, but really it was Bibi behind the scenes as always, back-channeling through ultra-Zionist Jared Kushner. Russia was part of that Iran deal, and they certainly didn’t want to see it fail. Trump was going AGAINST Putin by pulling out. Just as he has gone against Putin on a host of other matters, from building up troops on Russia’s border to providing lethal weapons to Kiev to use against Russian-backed forces in Eastern Ukraine.

    Now NATO forces have just fired a missile on Russia’s border “by accident.” A NY Post article explains:

    “A NATO fighter guarding its nervous northern states accidentally fired a secret air-to-air missile near the border with Russia yesterday. NATO still can’t find it. … Estonian authorities have initiated an urgent search for the weapon and appealed for anyone who may have seen it to step forward. ”

    SERIOUSLY?????

  10. I’ve had a problem with AP articles for a while. A local news site uses AP articles all the time, and they can be outrageously racist. In a recent article about the loss of Sami reindeer grazing lands to wildfires this year, they just randomly put in that Sami people used to be called “Lapps” — the equivalent of saying that black people used to be called “nigg***”. Completely irrelevant. Another story demonized believers of Vuhdoo and called local shamanist beliefs in Africa Vuhdoo regardless of the fact that Vuhdoo is a religion from the Caribbean related to African shamanist religions but absolutely not the same. It would be like saying baptism is the same as orthodox Judaism. I emailed the local news source and they changed it and explained they just copied it from AP. I’ve already given up on the AP.

  11. F’ing Washington Post also put out a BS “Fact Check” about Medicare For All that accepts the Koch funded study at face value and gives Sanders’ claim that M4A would save $2 trillion dollars “3 Pinocchios” (one short of a “whopper”). Funny how these two articles came out back to back. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2018/08/07/democrats-seize-on-cherry-picked-claim-that-medicare-for-all-will-save-2-trillion/?utm_term=.b7cea66f3cfb

  12. Great show! Real progressive topics and not a barrage of “Trump is an incompetent, racist thug” stories. (He is but I can get those on MSNBC and CNN)

  13. thanks to the brave people who call out the bullshit.. bye the way, el dorado is any valley in the desert where the Palo Verde (another Spanish take=-over)’ look in the valley (whats left of it) and you will see a lot of gold

    Thanks, at last, to the vr

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