Cenk Uygur & Ana Kasparian. After Eagles refuse to go to WH, Trump cancels party for them; Paul Manafort has been accused by Mueller of Attempted Witness Tampering; Trump blames Sessions for Russia probe; Trump’s defense team says the president can not obstruct justice.
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For goodness sake, shut up already. If is fine to criticize and offer an opinion but since none of us were there say your peace and move on. To constantly harp on the same crap (whether real or imagined) does no freaking good. Progressives had many good things happen yesterday. I see no point in always looking at the glass half empty. If you want, in the next election cycle find a candidate to support and actually get involved. Then you will be able to have input and maybe see a more global view of the campaign instead of just bitching
How’s TYT these days? I haven’t watched in months. Coming back now, It looks like they aren’t getting as many comments as before. Is the show still growing, or have they lost members?
The rate of comments is fairly stable at 40 per episode with Ag Prog getting 100.
No one left because no one can leave. It is either TYT or you pick of alt-right trolls who have an audience as big as TYT.
The biggest lie progressives tell themselves is that they are the majority. They are not.
I’ve never heard a progressive say they are in the majority, but I have heard that many progressive view points are supported by the majority of people. That is supported by quite a bit of polling data. I know from anecdotal evidence that when I talk about progressive values without talking about what political side of the aisle it’s coming from a lot of my “republican” friends agree with the suggestions.
I should have clarified. I was aiming on the Internet not overall.
Cenk even discussed it before. His group is the only one in the top 10 political shows that is progressive. The rest are hard right.
Progressives, and I include myself, get all excited and sometimes really hopeful when we see good progressive political candidates and then election time comes and those candidates get 3%. The majority is a grouping of people who are idiots (misled), ignorant (not keeping up with current events), corrupt themselves or benefiting from the status quo in some other way, or are simply legitimately politically opposed to you. It turns out non-corrupt, politically engaged, logical and educated people, is a small group of people. The worst part is being a member of this small group and then being labeled elitist. /rant
This is a common misconception, that human beings have views that they stick to, the age of enlightenment mistake that humans are rational calculators. People are not “progressive” or “not progressive”. They are not fixed data points. If you poll on people’s acceptance of “food stamps”, you get very different numbers than if you simply spell out “assistance with food for needy families.” Propaganda works. People are scared of what you tell them to fear. Human beings are extremely easy to manipulate. Look at people who love Kentucky version of Obamacare, rebranded as Kynect, but hate Obamacare. The endless times people have been shown saying “Keep the government out of my medicare”. People are against certain public spending plans, because they’ve been told it’s going to “the blacks” and they’re not getting it. They love all the aid they get, personally, even so-called “conservative” people, because they understand that they need it. This is simply a propaganda war, not a country filled with conservatives and progressives.
No matter how many times you say some variation of this view of yours that “progressives are delusional and the country is conservative” there are more nuances to humans and the world than your high horse dismissals allow.
They get a lot more comments, and a lot more views, on YouTube. There are less comments here because TYT has expanded to other platforms and more people are watching and talking about it those ways.
The number of comments isn’t a very good metric to use to determine how many members TYT has. The number of comments more accurately represents how many people have something to say about the stories that ran that day and responses to others. To answer your question, yes the show is still growing.
Link to election coverage? This website needs updating before any app
It’s under “special events” in the “member content’ drop-down.
It appears KDL made it to second place, thank goodness.
Imagine if Feinstein was given the gift of a Republican opponent in November. Not only would she cruise to victory, but far worse — she would have NO INCENTIVE whatsoever to be more progressive.
On the contrary — she would do her favorite thing and veer right. Thank goodness, it appears she will not get to do that.
I saw KDL’s campaign in action at the Democratic state convention in San Diego in February. Very impressive, well organized, highly energized campaign.
That was in stark contrast to the Hartson campaign, which was… not there. As Cenk admitted last night, the reason her campaign was absent was because… they missed the deadline. One of a thousand Unforced Errors that plagued her campaign.
I voted “no endorsement” in February because I did not want Feinstein to get the party endorsement, but I went into that convention still thinking Hartson had a chance. My first inkling that there was Trouble in River City was the fact that she was completely absent from the biggest Democratic event of the campaign season. In retrospect, I wish I’d voted for De Leon in February. If he’d won the party endorsement, his name would have been on every slate mailer, and we wouldn’t have had to sweat so hard last night, worrying that a Republican would come in second.
Alison Hartson is a fine person and a fine candidate. Next time she runs for office, she needs to hire experienced professional people too manage her campaign.
20 years of criticizing from the sidelines does not qualify one to be a campaign manager, Cenk. Please learn from this debacle. You are a great messenger and cheerleader. But managing campaigns is a real job, which requires real experience earned over years of rising up the ranks in the political trenches. You thought you could jump straight to the top on your first try.
Many Justice Democrats have done spectacularly well this year. There is much to be proud of.
Onwards!
Cenk advised on the campaign, he wasn’t the campaign manager, right?
Regardless of title, Cenk was the 1000-pound gorilla in the room, who no one could ignore or dispute.
From early on, I was aware of instances of Unforced Errors that hamstrung the Hartson Campaign. Why so many obvious mistakes? why so many failures to do things that needed to be done? I have to assume there were no experienced professionals at the top. I know for sure that the campaign personnel who I personally spoke with were inexperienced neophytes, enthusiastic but clueless. And these were people with top-level job titles.
Cenk provided a peek behind the scenes during a Post Game when he told Ana about how, during campaign meetings, various people would express opinions, but once Alison expressed her own, he would shut everyone else down. To quote Cenk in the PG: “The candidate has spoken. Why are we still talking?”
That anecdote was very revealing.
Personally, if I were a candidate, I would not want my campaign to be limited by my own concept of what is best to do all the time. I would want to surround myself with smart, experienced people and hear what they have to say. Perhaps the reason Cenk shut the others down was because they were obviously clueless. Which suggests that a serious change in campaign staff should have happened, long ago.
Again, I think Cenk is very good at messaging and cheerleading, somewhat good at analysis…but terrible at management. Makes you appreciate the role people like Steve Oh and Dave Koller have played in TYT’s success. Someone has to know how to make the trains run on time.
Yes, but I think the point is that he wasn’t her campaign manager
I have agreed with you earlier on the many problems with the Hartson campaign, but I don’t think one can put the results entirely, or even mostly on Cenk. If you have a problem with your campaign, whether it’s the advisor, manager or the basic organisational issues, ultimately it’s on the candidate to detect it and fix it early.
You made very good points about having to learn organisation, politics and campaign like everything else. But that applies to Hartson also. Maybe Wolf PACs initial success in California is not the same thing as reaching out and turning out half a million to a million people, a lot of whom have a worldview that’s quite different from yours.
Yesterday, Feinstein turned out votes at – $4.96 a vote
KDL did that at – $0.98 a vote
Alison Hartson did that at – $ 3.40 a vote, much too expensive for a new candidate. For comparison, Sema Hernandez turned out roughly 260,000 votes in Texas, which is equally big and difficult at well below a dollar a vote, and no help from the state party or media. You can normalize for money, state party support or media presence, it was still a below average performance.
If she runs again, there are plenty of other campaigns she can talk to and understand what she did wrong this time around. I hope she does. She has the heart, but very likely got a lot of the basic stuff wrong.
The summary of Deb
Cenk was the worst campaign manager ever
People- he wasn’t her campaign manager
Ok well he still sucked and lost her that election because he was still magically in charge somehow
So another Deb has nothing substantive to say despite going on for paragraphs just Cenk bashing.
KDL is the safety candidate. He is there to stop a republican breaking through.
He will do what the “opposition” candidates do in third world dictatorships, campaign for the dear leader. His eyes are on statewide elections in the near future.
As for Hartson, she was a really bad candidate. She is a progressive version of Hillary in terms of personality.
dratheart
When ever I see your comments I sigh and roll my eyes. Just because you comment a lot doesn’t mean people agree with you.
I’m not saying everyone should be a cheerleader, but stop being a troll.
At least Cenk and Allison are trying. I like that a lot better over bitching.
In EIGHTH PLACE, with 2.0% of the US Senate Seat for CA primary, is ALLISON HARTSON! And as a Centrist Democrat what I say to that is: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Someone please send me the link to Cenk’s brain imploding! All those hours of TYT coverage, all those thousands of dollars in donations, all down the toilet just I told you they would be, Cenk. Enjoy another SIX YEARS of Dianne Feinstein! Wait, let me guess: you blame Sessions for this? ROTFLOL. I knew it would be a disaster before I checked the results this morning when this hour I heard Cenk say “Let us whisper of a dream…” – That sentence never ends well, maybe Cenk should keep his whispers to himself!
@Dratheart, “as a Centrist Democrat”, so as a conservative you should say.
Why are you being such a fucking asshole??
Fuck you, dratheart. Take the business end of a dirty toilet brush and shove it up your ass. People who call themselves centrists in this climate are just fence sitters, nothing more than sniveling cowards who cannot take a principled stand on the issues.
Please, Dratheart, stop calling yourself a “Centrist Democrat,” because you are NOT.
For ALL intents and purposes you are a Radical Lite REPUBLICAN.
And to basically SHIT allover the people here who were hoping for a Progressive upset, is a Supremely Vicious Dickish move. I had never thought of you as enjoying others pain. Guess I was wrong.
Why don’t you go find some kittens to drown or a Bomb the Babies Rally?
Centrist? Given the state of things, how’s that working for ya?
@dratheart What I find much more humorous is the fact that you paid to be a tyt member in order to post a comment. You know you’re supporting monetarily what you are tearing down verbally, right?
Great show, again!
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Pearson3131….same. And I love music
Manafort. Lock him up! Lock him up!! Lock him up!!!
He can be placed in a for-profit-prison, while awaiting trial, where he will have to pay for snacks and phone calls. Also, he can be paid 5 cents an hour for laundering rugs.
The school-to-prison pipeline has an upscale version called the politics-to-prison pipeline for the white male privileged class.
Note: Senator Dick Durbin, from Illinois, said yesterday that former Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich’s federal prison sentence was too long. Blago was subsequently convicted on all charges pertaining to “selling” Obama’s senate seat and on extorting campaign contributions from a children’s hospital and race track. On appeal, the court overturned five of 17 corruption convictions and remanded Blago be resentenced. Judge Zagel ruled Blago’s corrupt conduct still warranted a 14-year sentence. The Supreme Court refused to hear Blago’s appeal twice!
Given these circumstances, it seems Blago had every opportunity to present his case. Let us not forget Blago betrayed the public trust. Perhaps, Senator Durbin has a vested interest in influencing penalties for corruption. Concomitant to that, perhaps he has been in Washington D.C. for so long that he has forgotten what it means to betray the trust of those who have elected him. If he decides to not retire and seek another term in 2020, like Feinstein, Durbin has to be primaried.
So far the election night coverage has proven me correct on two points —
1) the reason Alison Hartson had no presence at the CA State Democratic Convention was pure incompetence on the part of her campaign (Cenk just said that she missed the deadline)
2) continued participation by Hartson and the other 20 wannabe’s is responsible for De Leon’s low showing so far, which means it will be Feinstein vs Republican in November, which means… Feinstein wins.
Looks like KDL squeaked through. Form initial results looks like Hartson came in 9th place, and brought in less votes than 6 republican candidates. Its sad to think that TYT’s influence can’t muster more than 50k people in Califronia. I love Cenk /TYT but he was really misrepresenting the facts on this.
What facts were misrepresented? How about you go and muster 50k votes, keyboard warrior. For Fuck Sake.
Just two fucking days ago he was still urging people to give money to Alison because “she’s in a statistical tie” for second place. Even though she was polling at 1%. He never cited the REAL numbers. Never. Never. He just spun elaborate fantasies and urged people to give more money.
I think Alison is a fine candidate but she should have fired her campaign manager (Cenk) six months ago. This campaign was an amateurish debacle. Cenk is a great cheerleader. Not. A. Good. Manager.