I’m sick off Xenophrenia and other assholes threatening to cancel dinner TYT membership like come on cancel your fucking membership, I will keep supporting TYT as long as my wallet permits because I enjoy the content and often I cannot watch it live. With that being said I am angry that old school and a post games are being broadcast in YouTube TV.
I certainly believe there is a way for PYT to make it up to us the members and it would be nice if I see an extra 3rd hour added daily exclusively for people who have a TYT membership. If you like this idea let’s get signatures of every single TYT member who would like to see this happened and see what Cenk and the others say.
God I miss living with a Ranger and dating a stripper simultaneously. It was just horny women and drug dealers at the crib and the bar all day. SO. MUCH. DEBAUCHERY.
The “MA” in MDMA stands for methamphetamine. Whenever I hear someone say E is cut with speed it drives me bonkers. Adderrall is amphetamines. Methamphetamine, more commonly referred to as Meth, is required to make ecstasy. It’s super speed. It’s like saying coffee is cut with caffeine.
Actual ecstasy is dope but unfortunately it’s harder and harder to find in the US. There’s a lot of mixtures that mimic the effects but aren’t proper E. Requires bark from a tree that was almost made extinct due to a couple decades of ecstasy being extremely popular
First of all – they have kinda sorta addressed the outrage. At least on a surface not really doing all that much (but probably can’t) off in an out of the way place addressing. Because actually paying attention to members is hard or something. That being said – they say here that they will be bringing Post Games back to members only “in a few months”. They apparently weren’t thinking about members AT ALL when they did this deal – like Hillary – they just expected that all you guys would be THRILLED with the new stuff without checking how this thing was actually going to work – like would everyone be able to access it.
That brings me to something that’s been rattling around in my head regarding one of their excuses for doing this. They say they are ‘expanding their audience’. If so many of your members CAN’T ACCESS this new fangled cable thingie – how is it you are expanding? You actually have a smaller reach with this. In a time when CABLE SUBSCRIPTIONS ARE DROPPING …
WHAT ARE YOU DOING?
Let me see if I can figure out the thought process here. YouTube and things like it are the ‘future’ of media – social media is one of the greatest dispersment system in history – the power in the world still lies with those who have old style media because we humans are creatures of habit and old habits die hard …
BUT
The old way of doing things is in serious trouble. Cenk and Co seem to understand that to some degree – but it seems to seriously get under both his and Ana’s skin that they are not seen as ‘legitimate’. That they are seen as not ‘real’ media (even by themselves) – so the idea that YouTube having a ‘cable’ channel sounds like it’s ‘cable’ on the medium of the future. But is it? From what I can tell the cable channel model is a way for YouTube to get the audience that is in the middle ground – both on the creation AND consumption end. Advertisers and content creators still want the fimiliar feel and control of a ‘network/channel’ model and some consumers want a one stop scroll throught model they had with scanning the dial back in the day with cable.
… but the network thing that Cenk is trying to turn his member based creation into is STILL A DYING MODEL. A dying model that will very likely kill the core structure of his creation. From where I’m sitting it looks like he’s cutting out the heart of his company – their connection and reliance on members to stay independent – and offering it up to the god of ‘looks and feels like legitimating old media’. They’ve taken away the ONE DIRECT CONNECTION to the audience they had and TURNED IT INTO A FUCKING SHOW. How often have you heard Ana whine about how much people like Megyn Kelly and other MSM hosts make – or pining about how nice it would be not to care about what your doing if you get so much to do it … always with the caveat that she’d never give up her members for … wait a minute …
I’ve watched a company go from family/single person owned to corporate from the inside. It’s subtle. It doesn’t look all that different at first – all the same things are still in place. Until you bump up against the walls that have changed. We saw this with the language change – we saw this with ability to attack members without a second thought or any sort of apology – we saw it with the commercial breaks in the members only shows and then their attempts to hide ruined by those too concerned with doing it right (when John started freaking out about the time limit coming up and Ana yelled at him for making it obvious) and … THAT’S WHY I’VE BEEN FREAKING OUT IN THESE COMMENT SECTIONS …
they keep telling you that you matter but acting like you don’t – don’t they?
As for them not reading the comment sections – I know someone does. There was someone that got quite angry with the complaints they were getting about missing videos. I’ve seen Steve in the AP comment sections quite a bit and some on the PG comments when he’s on that PG. So they are AWARE of what’s happening .. but because they are now no longer independent and captured by legal contracts they CANNOT do anything so they seem to be avoiding having to deal with it all together because I think they sense what they’ve done and how damaging it may be.
We’ll see – I’m still here for Aggressive Progressives until either Jimmy decides it’s closing time or they’re getting too much heat from their new masters.
Until then I have one thing to say to them: I don’t trust what you’re saying because I see what you’re doing.
Hoisin sauce is a bbq sauce made with plums and a few other things! Btw, poor drug users in The UK get jumped up and down on with hobnail boots by the justice system.
The FDA has guidelines for food expiration. The examples, you can use eggs long after the expiration date. You can tell if the eggs are still good by putting them in cold water. Good eggs sink to the bottom. Eggs starting to go bad will stand upright on the bottom. Bad eggs will float.
RE EXPIRY DATES ON FOOD: this seems petty but leads to massive systemic food waste
Most people seem to conflate “best before” – which is just a guideline on e.g. fruit &veg, or canned goods, indicating to the shopper the approximate remaining ‘shelf life’…
…with “use by” – which is a warning on things that could poison you like meat and fish, to exercise caution;
i.e. TRUST YOUR NOSE -if something is ‘off’ you will always detect a rancid smell. thats how people survived before such statutory expiration dates were introduced (also mould is a no-brainer, lol)
USA may have different nomenclature, but in the UK things are further confused with rather vague “sell by” dates which apparently just denote ‘freshness’ to shops, who can still sell it on markdown rather than be legally obliged to destroy it. Yet many people just see any date on any product and dispose of anything past dated.
The big problem here is the sheer amount of people who routinely throw out perfectly edible food because it is past any of these 3 different forms of ‘expiry’ dates. The amount of people who admit to compulsively trashing edible food like this never ceases to amaze me. it is like a very specific form of OCD. These dates are not a warning that goods should be automatically thrown out past that date – people please stop this lunacy.
this wastage problem is compounded by supermarkets (e.g.Walmart/ UK subsidiary Asda) disposing of everything past that date as policy, and locking the bins to prevent the poor & hungry retrieving this food; this is appalling waste on an industrial scale.
Props go to 1 company bucking the trend, high end sandwich franchise ‘pret a manger’ who donate all unsold sandwiches at close of business to legit charities to distribute to the needy. There are also a few others who donate the unsold food but – legally – can only do so provided they remain ‘in date’ due to arcane laws.Pret can do this as pret’s rep is based largely on never selling yesterday’s sandwiches, as they’re not in prime condition.
With all the food banks we have now there should be at a minimum;
– a public information campaign to stop people perceiving these dates as some kind of accurate disposal date
– a review of laws forcing vendors to dispose of ‘out of date’ food if its not gone bad, and develop infrastructure to divert it to the needy.
(…and dont get me started on expiry dates on beer – like it turns overnight. i routinely buy past dated beer from a local shop who clearly bulk buy overstock from elsewhere, and I can confirm it doesn’t even begin to change for months after the date on the container. Alcohol is after all often used as a preservative, similar to vinegar or oil; hence the term ‘pickled’ for a steaming drunk stumbling &mumbling around. Thats why unopened spirits basically never go off. Indeed Port was invented by Portuguese, who discovered that raising the alcohol content of wine to 20% fortified it for long trade ship voyages, hence the term fortified wine i.e. port.)…. well that became an essay i think i need a drink XD
The US has the exact same 3 different labels, Sell By, Best Before, and Use By. That’s actually really interesting to learn that the UK does the same thing, considering how differently our nutrition labels look.
About eggs, they last a couple months past their sell by date. I’ve never thrown out eggs. The floating thing is a good piece of information, but I think I’ll still eat them unless they’re really buoyant.
TYT’s lack of basic scientific acumen or even semblance of scientific fact-checking is mortally embarrassing.
MDMA boosts serotonin synapse activity. When taken in conjunction with antidepressant medication it can cause serotonin syndrome and lead to death via overheating and dehydration from autonomic nervous system dysfunction, Serotonin syndrome is what people on X go to the hospital for.
It’s not just a cannabis racy thought and dry mouth with dizzy sleepiness trip to a bored ER physician with better things to do than hold your hand and explain that you are not in danger. Serotonin syndrome is potentially fatal, and even if caught in time to save a life, the syndrome can result in severe and permanent injury.
The least that TYT could do is forward this information on to the presumably progressive and drug-experimenting network members as a public service announcement accompanying every story involving X and maybe save some lives instead of treating Beverley Hills style private rave parties with X in the Brie as totally cute.
Possibly 10% or more of all United Statians take antidepressants at some time, the highest rate in the world. Psychiatrists are loathe to pronounce people cured and encourage lifelong treatment once a diagnosis exists, IMO because chemical treatment of depression is barely effective if at all. They are still using stimulants to treat social problems because it’s easier to see keys under a lamp post than where the keys might actually be, and also because a substantial segment of the population (mainly right wing religious conservatives regardless of party affiliation) just loves passing on their traumas to others via abusive acting out behavior such as child abuse, sexism, and racism, as punishment for some perceived slight.
The aggression of mass shooters might be directly linked to the consumption of these stimulating antidepressant medications that are designed with the sole objective of cheaply propping up people who are on the verge of collapse from the stress of living in a poor environment so they can get back to work at the grindstone.
Women (include queers in this because it’s really the stench of femininity at issue here) are more likely to be ‘diagnosed’ with depression from living under horrifically sexist social mores that dramatically increase their stress level, and consequently women and queers are also more likely to be prescribed medication to get them back to work slaving away e.g. in a hot kitchen with infant on hip after a long day at the two and three jobs they need as single moms working for 70% of what straight men earn for the exact same work.
Consequently women (don’t forget the femininity-tainted queers in this group) are at slightly higher risk of developing serotonin syndrome and seeking emergency treatment when using X, since they are more likely to also be taking antidepressant medication as a result of the sexist oppression they endure.
TYT needs to up their game on the science. They need at least one full time staff member who at least knows a little bit of general science to run fact checks on all their stories involving chemistry and physics, especially when the topic is drugs or medications and the biology of paying members is at risk.
No excuse for this lackadaisical attitude towards science in the ‘evidence-based’ progressive community.
United Statians? and you’re lecturing about science? ;-)
sorry – couldn’t let that one go but agree with most of your points here – they really need to take this shit more seriously – ESPECIALLY now that this stuff is going out to the general populace subscribing to YouTube TV …
im with Cenk on the legalisation front as no more cutting agents or drug related shootings, or incarcerating of non-violent ‘offenders’…
but yes this chat was irresponsible by not recognising or warning of serotonin syndrome, or the fact too much water can kill on X at levels otherwise not hazardous. a slight bit of research like 20 mins on google before speaking on a topic you acknowledge is dangerous would have been responsible…
and the way utube is cracking down these days after all the MSM hack jobs that decimated their ad revenue, this could even earn their channel a community strike (3 strikes and your channel is removed permanently. they might wanna consider that also)
admittedly tho 1 of the most honest & entertaining post games of late
SWIM can attest that sadly a massive proportion of users who took X on the weekly throughout the 1990s and beyond are on antidepressants now, as Cenk basically nailed the point, they used up all their happiness, wrecking their brain’s serotonin chemistry. but would they take back the best decade of their lives if a mulligan was possible??
if fluoxetine (Prozac) is not working well for you, suggest ask your doc to switch to ‘sister’ drug Duloxetine instead, as anecdotally at least, its more likely to set your noggin back to ‘normal’
Got a good buddy who’s about 10 years older than me (he’s early gen-x, I’m early millennial) and we used to go drinking together after work all the time years ago, and he’d tell me all his stories of doing E daily when he lived in Vegas with a very wealthy buddy. He was a lot of fun to hang out with and he’s a great guy with great stories, but he really could not feel any happiness anymore at all. He’d fake it, but he also didn’t want to take any prescription drugs for it either because he didn’t want to mess up his brain chemistry worse. But then again, we did smoke lots of pot together still and drink, soo…..
Anyway, yeah, that’s true that E will use up your brains serotonin.
I never thought to ask him if he’d do it over again like that if he could, but I’m almost certain he’d say hell yeah.
…. The amount of misinformation about drugs in this segment is almost as bad as DARE. Yes, drugs are often cut but they are cut with something cheap like baking powder or vitamin K. No drug dealer is going to waste product by cutting their MDMA with other valuable drugs. And no, ecstasy tablets are not cut with fucking rat poison. Drug dealers are business people. It’s bad business to poison your fucking customers. Quit fear-mongering about things you don’t understand. The only part you are right about is that drugs should be legalized to reduce black market traffic.
Speaking of misinformation, your comment is loaded with it. And yours is far more dangerous…
1) Drug dealers do often cut their product with other “valuable” or stronger drugs to enhance the experience or even get users addicted to something else and have more people come back and more often for their brand and stay loyal.
2) There are some really shady people out there and if you just want to unload a bunch of something real quick and don’t care about anything but the money then yes, absolutely they will cut it with whatever they can to add volume which equals more money.
DARE officers use propaganda to scare people into not doing drugs. What I mentioned was facts so people are educated if/when they do do drugs. And I have done drugs, it’s how I know about those things, so that’s a fail at your “clever sarcasm to put me in my place.” Only people with nothing intelligent to say resort to such tactics.
…by “vitamin K” i assume you are referring to ketamine which is routinely cut into cheap X pills, resulting in the commonly referred to ‘smack-y’ pills which give an opiate like ‘nod’ – probably why Ana fell asleep on a pill as u won’t just fall asleep on actual “Methylene-Dioxy-MethAmphetamine”.
most X tho are not MDMA, even the powder form; much more likely to be MDA, MDEA, or many of the other multitude of variants detailed in the works of Alexander Shuglin, the ‘grandfather of ecstasy’ – due to wholesale crackdowns on moving the precursor sassafrole. doesn’t mean it doesn’t work tho…
No. I am referring to vitamin K. The vitamin. You know, from the Vitamin Shoppe. Ketamine would be pretty silly if your goal was to make ‘cheap’ presses.
MDA, and other such MDMA analogues are still ‘ecstasy.’ I own books written by Shulgin.
I too am disappointed that members’ concerns voiced in the comments last Friday were not address in this PG. I get that most at TYT do not even glance at the comments but Malcolm & Steve have both responded to my comments in the past so someone must have seen the uproar. TYT really needs to address this. I would also like a better explanation of what happened w/Jordan Chariton. I, unfortunately, just accepted Cenk’s vague explanation back then because I thought TYT wouldn’t get rid of Jordan w/o good cause. Now I wonder if Jordan was too brash & rebellious for the direction TYT is heading & they jumped at the first chance to get rid of him.
It is disappointing that there really hasn’t been any response to the obvious outrage to the YouTubeTv move but I haven’t given up all hope yet. To be honest I don’t think Cenk reads the member posts on the PG and hasn’t for years. With that being said, I DO think that Steve, Malcolm, and Dave read them and I’m hoping that they will at least address it in the Friday PG.
My thoughts on it: I understand that TYT wants to grow their platform. I not only understand I actually think it’s a good idea. But, as Cenk says, you need balance. And although he said that it is a balancing act with this, where is it balancing in our direction? Because right now, it looks like you gave a lot of exclusive membership content away and made new shows that we don’t have access to. A big part of TYT membership is loyalty. But loyalty is a two way conversation. And right now I feel like it is becoming more one-sided.
With that being said, here are some of my ideas to make things better:
1. Make the PG members only again. This used to be the prime reason to subscribe to TYT in the early years and I feel like it’s a core benefit of becoming a member. It’s a good way to stay connected with your members and shouldn’t be made public.
2. Have new members only shows. I understand that because of contracts we probably won’t get the Damage Report or No Filter. But having new members only shows will show an act of good faith with your members and give them an incentive to stay. Hell, you might even get new members because of it. One idea is to have a TYT international show. A lot of people have been asking for more international stories on TYT. Not only that, I feel like it might help mitigate the problem with international members who can’t access YouTubeTv even if they wanted to.
Anyway, those are my thoughts and I hope the do the right thing.
they’re already stretching themselves thin with all this extra content – you really think they’re going to have the time or energy to give anything to us lowly members anymore?
You can cut the mold right off of cheese. However, do not eat moldy bread because it gets infused with mold throughout. But if you do accidently eat it, you will spit it right out.
I agree with the rest of the comments here, but like to interject one thing. If all shows are available via other sources, i think that is woefully unfair. But other sources have ads do they not? if this is purely ad free i’ll be more inclined to not be upset, cause i joined not cause i wanted the content, but because i loved the content and it was very good quality and i wanted to support you. but also cause i wanted it ad free. I’m happy. for the most part. but if u drop an ad even ads to ur shoptyt.; thats crossing a line. As for benefits for members? how bout delay the shows on other sources by 1 day or something? or send then a few month members only specialty programming. Like do one extra episodes or do weekend shows that are members only on a smaller lowkey group of employees? you could give value back to your members. but honestly your comment section, website, and when the episodes are up to view are all lacking on your website, so i mean how bout fix that lack of quality already.
The hoisin duck is not the best example of them being wealthy, it’s a readily available sauce here in Britain. It’s used in chinese dishes, it’s really nice. That she has a London home – assuming she owns it, but even then – is really more of a red flag
I have to admit, you guys make a disturbing point. As a member I expected a little preferential treatment. Now I am unsure what is ‘special’ about getting the main hours and all the shows when you could as well go with YT TV and get the shows most of the members watch.
I recognize all things change as they grow and that the members are still the core of TYT but in playing the game with ‘partners’ like Google and Youtube, who are actively trying to silence alternative voices, and instead of criticizing and aggressively pushing the progressive points coddle up having main stream lackies on the panels (after a decade of telling us how badd they are and hypocritical) makes it uncomfortably clear which way TYT is moving. Center Left. It may be the price we pay for having the muscle to be critical and taken seriously in the ‘main stream’. Fuck the main stream. Fuck corporate America, For once since 2009, Im beginning to think TYT as a true avant gard progressive platform, with all the unconventional cussing and aggressive points of view is fading. I think that is why Jimmy Dore is so popular. The sad truth is, just lately, I have skipped the main shows. And those I really love like Old School and Aggressive Progressive are becoming the only ones I look forward to. I think it is the change in tone and content that is sinking in. It’s all too…. controlled. Even Cenk’s rants feel put on about obviously offensive subjects. It just isn’t as spontaneous, in your face, and anti-establishment as it was. Like I said, time and growth change everything. I’ve been down this road many times, and I almost always end up feeling disappointed and dissociated.
Keep your expectations low to zero and you will only be happy when you get a little of what you want. That’s a truth in life.
What Cenk said about wealthy places being non-arrestable drug havens scared me even more that hearing folks’ll call ICE over hearing Spanish in the second hour. Then Ana frosted my cookies with the ‘MDMA must be cut with HORSE TRANQUILIZER’??!
I never knew drugs, both illegal and hospital grade / doctor prescribed, were so prolific in wealthy white American communities. Token African Americans like Ben Carson must be permanently plastered with the stuff.
Of course it’s an issue of who gets arrested and who doesn’t , but with me it’s even more an issue of getting to why it’s so widespread and depended on. If legalizing most of it will help reduce such dependence and promote natural human interaction via healthy food and drinks I’m all for it.
As scared as I am now to attend US parties / gatherings, I am so grateful to Cenk, Ana and the TYT staff for holding a very lovely, totally legitimate and safe Sweet Sixteen Anniversary Party in Los Angeles last February, and to Flappers of Burbank for holding an equally safe and sound Jimmy Dore comedy show that same month. ?
Crazy how quickly things are ramping up for the end of net neutrality…in my neck of the woods folks are experiencing terrible connections and being kicked off line.? Meanwhile, Verizon is pushing their Fiber optics and suggesting our outdated routers need replaced for 40 or 50 bucks. Oh, and now we can finally pay more for faster speeds, because we wouldn’t want to miss out on their package full of content and the speed it takes to stream it. It looks better than Youtubes content…feels like we are losing. Gattika!
In the past I would 100% share your expectations. Unfortunately, for now, they cannot use the PG as a place to reach out directly to us members… now all this content will be aired on YouTubeTV and isn’t a place to share real talk on a membership level. It’s frustrating and disappointing as hell.
TYT: Please don’t just ignore the concern people had about Carol Costello. There was obviously an incredibly strong reaction–and concern– to the friday 1st hour. It’s an issue that I’m sure many TYT subscribers would like to have comments from Cenk and Ana and possibly Ben. It relates to an important topic about journalism in these times.
I gave up on getting a reaction from TYT staff on anything going on in the member discussion. I comment, nobody from the staff reads it but at least I made an effort. Guess, that’s just how it is.
Right now, I am just glad, they got back to normal. Friday show was creepy, really frightening.
To give a “non answer” to your question. The issue isn’t so much whether their was or was not something “wrong” with her, although I thought there was. It’s the issue of how journalists can walk the line between being “fair” to what their reporting without being robotically “non judgmental” about what they are reporting., no matter how absurd the event they are reporting. The members’ comments indicated a VERY STRONG interest in that topic.
this is not related to this post game but: Cenk if you’re an atheist, why do you thank God all the damn time?/
you support coke… really? look into what that company has done to many countries in Africa and South America, are you sure about that?
decolonize America, it’s United States of America
I LOVE your shows, all your reporters and staff you are great people!
Re: women supposedly doing MDMA more than men. That women are more likely to “seek treatment” while doing drugs does not say anything about their drug usage rate. That only speaks to their treatment-seeking rate.
Re: MDMA supposedly not making you horny. Uh, yes it very much does (insert personal anecdotes). Very, very horny. And, let me tell you, don’t ever have sex on it because sober sex won’t be the same for a while. Further, there have been some interesting cases of emergency room visits by people who have been injured because they were on MDMA and couldn’t stop having sex until, ahem, their genitals were seriously injured.
All-in-all, I’m always down for a drug-related post game, and the innocence in this conversation was really cute. <3
I don’t understand why they can’t keep the post game just for members. Why did that have to go over to youtubetv. Just leave it here and play reruns or something on yourtubetv where the post game might go.
yh as a member, i would have liked to have a place where they can address strictly the members. post game seems the best place to do so.. i guess the FPG would be the only place now (that is still only for the members, not that i watch it often lol)… i guess youtubetv wanted all the shows that the members have access to plus 4 exclusive ones.. its definitely disappointing.. love tyt and ill always be a fan.. just feel like we’re not the priority anymore, its youtubetv and expansion. we dont wanna be left behind Cenk!
Historically speaking, after a video from the previous show received 239 comments (the majority of them voicing concerns or complaints), the Post Game would be where Cenk/Ana/Dave would address the concerns. So while the content of this PG was overall enjoyable, it’s frustrating to many of us that it’s no longer the space in which TYT can reach out directly to members.
oh shut it … pointing out that now that the Post Game is public they’re not going to actually talk to the members about anything that might be seen as controversial in an actually detriment way – they’ll play up the faux controversy of MDMA for it’s salacious click bait nature … but show that there are issues between members and TYT to the public? never
On this point I think we finally have an area of agreement. If the Post Game shows are to be made public to YouTube TV, then at the very least they should bring back weekly Twitter Storm segments or something of the like which directly addresses member feedback. And I’ll bet you that will happen if we keep on them about this.
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I’m sick off Xenophrenia and other assholes threatening to cancel dinner TYT membership like come on cancel your fucking membership, I will keep supporting TYT as long as my wallet permits because I enjoy the content and often I cannot watch it live. With that being said I am angry that old school and a post games are being broadcast in YouTube TV.
I certainly believe there is a way for PYT to make it up to us the members and it would be nice if I see an extra 3rd hour added daily exclusively for people who have a TYT membership. If you like this idea let’s get signatures of every single TYT member who would like to see this happened and see what Cenk and the others say.
God I miss living with a Ranger and dating a stripper simultaneously. It was just horny women and drug dealers at the crib and the bar all day. SO. MUCH. DEBAUCHERY.
The “MA” in MDMA stands for methamphetamine. Whenever I hear someone say E is cut with speed it drives me bonkers. Adderrall is amphetamines. Methamphetamine, more commonly referred to as Meth, is required to make ecstasy. It’s super speed. It’s like saying coffee is cut with caffeine.
Actual ecstasy is dope but unfortunately it’s harder and harder to find in the US. There’s a lot of mixtures that mimic the effects but aren’t proper E. Requires bark from a tree that was almost made extinct due to a couple decades of ecstasy being extremely popular
First of all – they have kinda sorta addressed the outrage. At least on a surface not really doing all that much (but probably can’t) off in an out of the way place addressing. Because actually paying attention to members is hard or something. That being said – they say here that they will be bringing Post Games back to members only “in a few months”. They apparently weren’t thinking about members AT ALL when they did this deal – like Hillary – they just expected that all you guys would be THRILLED with the new stuff without checking how this thing was actually going to work – like would everyone be able to access it.
https://tytnetwork.com/2018/05/18/update-from-member-services/
That brings me to something that’s been rattling around in my head regarding one of their excuses for doing this. They say they are ‘expanding their audience’. If so many of your members CAN’T ACCESS this new fangled cable thingie – how is it you are expanding? You actually have a smaller reach with this. In a time when CABLE SUBSCRIPTIONS ARE DROPPING …
WHAT ARE YOU DOING?
Let me see if I can figure out the thought process here. YouTube and things like it are the ‘future’ of media – social media is one of the greatest dispersment system in history – the power in the world still lies with those who have old style media because we humans are creatures of habit and old habits die hard …
BUT
The old way of doing things is in serious trouble. Cenk and Co seem to understand that to some degree – but it seems to seriously get under both his and Ana’s skin that they are not seen as ‘legitimate’. That they are seen as not ‘real’ media (even by themselves) – so the idea that YouTube having a ‘cable’ channel sounds like it’s ‘cable’ on the medium of the future. But is it? From what I can tell the cable channel model is a way for YouTube to get the audience that is in the middle ground – both on the creation AND consumption end. Advertisers and content creators still want the fimiliar feel and control of a ‘network/channel’ model and some consumers want a one stop scroll throught model they had with scanning the dial back in the day with cable.
… but the network thing that Cenk is trying to turn his member based creation into is STILL A DYING MODEL. A dying model that will very likely kill the core structure of his creation. From where I’m sitting it looks like he’s cutting out the heart of his company – their connection and reliance on members to stay independent – and offering it up to the god of ‘looks and feels like legitimating old media’. They’ve taken away the ONE DIRECT CONNECTION to the audience they had and TURNED IT INTO A FUCKING SHOW. How often have you heard Ana whine about how much people like Megyn Kelly and other MSM hosts make – or pining about how nice it would be not to care about what your doing if you get so much to do it … always with the caveat that she’d never give up her members for … wait a minute …
I’ve watched a company go from family/single person owned to corporate from the inside. It’s subtle. It doesn’t look all that different at first – all the same things are still in place. Until you bump up against the walls that have changed. We saw this with the language change – we saw this with ability to attack members without a second thought or any sort of apology – we saw it with the commercial breaks in the members only shows and then their attempts to hide ruined by those too concerned with doing it right (when John started freaking out about the time limit coming up and Ana yelled at him for making it obvious) and … THAT’S WHY I’VE BEEN FREAKING OUT IN THESE COMMENT SECTIONS …
they keep telling you that you matter but acting like you don’t – don’t they?
As for them not reading the comment sections – I know someone does. There was someone that got quite angry with the complaints they were getting about missing videos. I’ve seen Steve in the AP comment sections quite a bit and some on the PG comments when he’s on that PG. So they are AWARE of what’s happening .. but because they are now no longer independent and captured by legal contracts they CANNOT do anything so they seem to be avoiding having to deal with it all together because I think they sense what they’ve done and how damaging it may be.
We’ll see – I’m still here for Aggressive Progressives until either Jimmy decides it’s closing time or they’re getting too much heat from their new masters.
Until then I have one thing to say to them: I don’t trust what you’re saying because I see what you’re doing.
Mold is NOT the problem it is said to be.
Tell that to the people who were burned/drowned/hanged as witches.
Hoisin sauce is a bbq sauce made with plums and a few other things! Btw, poor drug users in The UK get jumped up and down on with hobnail boots by the justice system.
The FDA has guidelines for food expiration. The examples, you can use eggs long after the expiration date. You can tell if the eggs are still good by putting them in cold water. Good eggs sink to the bottom. Eggs starting to go bad will stand upright on the bottom. Bad eggs will float.
RE EXPIRY DATES ON FOOD: this seems petty but leads to massive systemic food waste
Most people seem to conflate “best before” – which is just a guideline on e.g. fruit &veg, or canned goods, indicating to the shopper the approximate remaining ‘shelf life’…
…with “use by” – which is a warning on things that could poison you like meat and fish, to exercise caution;
i.e. TRUST YOUR NOSE -if something is ‘off’ you will always detect a rancid smell. thats how people survived before such statutory expiration dates were introduced (also mould is a no-brainer, lol)
USA may have different nomenclature, but in the UK things are further confused with rather vague “sell by” dates which apparently just denote ‘freshness’ to shops, who can still sell it on markdown rather than be legally obliged to destroy it. Yet many people just see any date on any product and dispose of anything past dated.
The big problem here is the sheer amount of people who routinely throw out perfectly edible food because it is past any of these 3 different forms of ‘expiry’ dates. The amount of people who admit to compulsively trashing edible food like this never ceases to amaze me. it is like a very specific form of OCD. These dates are not a warning that goods should be automatically thrown out past that date – people please stop this lunacy.
this wastage problem is compounded by supermarkets (e.g.Walmart/ UK subsidiary Asda) disposing of everything past that date as policy, and locking the bins to prevent the poor & hungry retrieving this food; this is appalling waste on an industrial scale.
Props go to 1 company bucking the trend, high end sandwich franchise ‘pret a manger’ who donate all unsold sandwiches at close of business to legit charities to distribute to the needy. There are also a few others who donate the unsold food but – legally – can only do so provided they remain ‘in date’ due to arcane laws.Pret can do this as pret’s rep is based largely on never selling yesterday’s sandwiches, as they’re not in prime condition.
With all the food banks we have now there should be at a minimum;
– a public information campaign to stop people perceiving these dates as some kind of accurate disposal date
– a review of laws forcing vendors to dispose of ‘out of date’ food if its not gone bad, and develop infrastructure to divert it to the needy.
(…and dont get me started on expiry dates on beer – like it turns overnight. i routinely buy past dated beer from a local shop who clearly bulk buy overstock from elsewhere, and I can confirm it doesn’t even begin to change for months after the date on the container. Alcohol is after all often used as a preservative, similar to vinegar or oil; hence the term ‘pickled’ for a steaming drunk stumbling &mumbling around. Thats why unopened spirits basically never go off. Indeed Port was invented by Portuguese, who discovered that raising the alcohol content of wine to 20% fortified it for long trade ship voyages, hence the term fortified wine i.e. port.)…. well that became an essay i think i need a drink XD
The US has the exact same 3 different labels, Sell By, Best Before, and Use By. That’s actually really interesting to learn that the UK does the same thing, considering how differently our nutrition labels look.
About eggs, they last a couple months past their sell by date. I’ve never thrown out eggs. The floating thing is a good piece of information, but I think I’ll still eat them unless they’re really buoyant.
TYT’s lack of basic scientific acumen or even semblance of scientific fact-checking is mortally embarrassing.
MDMA boosts serotonin synapse activity. When taken in conjunction with antidepressant medication it can cause serotonin syndrome and lead to death via overheating and dehydration from autonomic nervous system dysfunction, Serotonin syndrome is what people on X go to the hospital for.
It’s not just a cannabis racy thought and dry mouth with dizzy sleepiness trip to a bored ER physician with better things to do than hold your hand and explain that you are not in danger. Serotonin syndrome is potentially fatal, and even if caught in time to save a life, the syndrome can result in severe and permanent injury.
The least that TYT could do is forward this information on to the presumably progressive and drug-experimenting network members as a public service announcement accompanying every story involving X and maybe save some lives instead of treating Beverley Hills style private rave parties with X in the Brie as totally cute.
Possibly 10% or more of all United Statians take antidepressants at some time, the highest rate in the world. Psychiatrists are loathe to pronounce people cured and encourage lifelong treatment once a diagnosis exists, IMO because chemical treatment of depression is barely effective if at all. They are still using stimulants to treat social problems because it’s easier to see keys under a lamp post than where the keys might actually be, and also because a substantial segment of the population (mainly right wing religious conservatives regardless of party affiliation) just loves passing on their traumas to others via abusive acting out behavior such as child abuse, sexism, and racism, as punishment for some perceived slight.
The aggression of mass shooters might be directly linked to the consumption of these stimulating antidepressant medications that are designed with the sole objective of cheaply propping up people who are on the verge of collapse from the stress of living in a poor environment so they can get back to work at the grindstone.
Women (include queers in this because it’s really the stench of femininity at issue here) are more likely to be ‘diagnosed’ with depression from living under horrifically sexist social mores that dramatically increase their stress level, and consequently women and queers are also more likely to be prescribed medication to get them back to work slaving away e.g. in a hot kitchen with infant on hip after a long day at the two and three jobs they need as single moms working for 70% of what straight men earn for the exact same work.
Consequently women (don’t forget the femininity-tainted queers in this group) are at slightly higher risk of developing serotonin syndrome and seeking emergency treatment when using X, since they are more likely to also be taking antidepressant medication as a result of the sexist oppression they endure.
TYT needs to up their game on the science. They need at least one full time staff member who at least knows a little bit of general science to run fact checks on all their stories involving chemistry and physics, especially when the topic is drugs or medications and the biology of paying members is at risk.
No excuse for this lackadaisical attitude towards science in the ‘evidence-based’ progressive community.
United Statians? and you’re lecturing about science? ;-)
sorry – couldn’t let that one go but agree with most of your points here – they really need to take this shit more seriously – ESPECIALLY now that this stuff is going out to the general populace subscribing to YouTube TV …
im with Cenk on the legalisation front as no more cutting agents or drug related shootings, or incarcerating of non-violent ‘offenders’…
but yes this chat was irresponsible by not recognising or warning of serotonin syndrome, or the fact too much water can kill on X at levels otherwise not hazardous. a slight bit of research like 20 mins on google before speaking on a topic you acknowledge is dangerous would have been responsible…
and the way utube is cracking down these days after all the MSM hack jobs that decimated their ad revenue, this could even earn their channel a community strike (3 strikes and your channel is removed permanently. they might wanna consider that also)
admittedly tho 1 of the most honest & entertaining post games of late
SWIM can attest that sadly a massive proportion of users who took X on the weekly throughout the 1990s and beyond are on antidepressants now, as Cenk basically nailed the point, they used up all their happiness, wrecking their brain’s serotonin chemistry. but would they take back the best decade of their lives if a mulligan was possible??
if fluoxetine (Prozac) is not working well for you, suggest ask your doc to switch to ‘sister’ drug Duloxetine instead, as anecdotally at least, its more likely to set your noggin back to ‘normal’
Got a good buddy who’s about 10 years older than me (he’s early gen-x, I’m early millennial) and we used to go drinking together after work all the time years ago, and he’d tell me all his stories of doing E daily when he lived in Vegas with a very wealthy buddy. He was a lot of fun to hang out with and he’s a great guy with great stories, but he really could not feel any happiness anymore at all. He’d fake it, but he also didn’t want to take any prescription drugs for it either because he didn’t want to mess up his brain chemistry worse. But then again, we did smoke lots of pot together still and drink, soo…..
Anyway, yeah, that’s true that E will use up your brains serotonin.
I never thought to ask him if he’d do it over again like that if he could, but I’m almost certain he’d say hell yeah.
…. The amount of misinformation about drugs in this segment is almost as bad as DARE. Yes, drugs are often cut but they are cut with something cheap like baking powder or vitamin K. No drug dealer is going to waste product by cutting their MDMA with other valuable drugs. And no, ecstasy tablets are not cut with fucking rat poison. Drug dealers are business people. It’s bad business to poison your fucking customers. Quit fear-mongering about things you don’t understand. The only part you are right about is that drugs should be legalized to reduce black market traffic.
Speaking of misinformation, your comment is loaded with it. And yours is far more dangerous…
1) Drug dealers do often cut their product with other “valuable” or stronger drugs to enhance the experience or even get users addicted to something else and have more people come back and more often for their brand and stay loyal.
2) There are some really shady people out there and if you just want to unload a bunch of something real quick and don’t care about anything but the money then yes, absolutely they will cut it with whatever they can to add volume which equals more money.
Okay DARE Officer. Drugs are bad, m’kay. You should try some and open your mind.
DARE officers use propaganda to scare people into not doing drugs. What I mentioned was facts so people are educated if/when they do do drugs. And I have done drugs, it’s how I know about those things, so that’s a fail at your “clever sarcasm to put me in my place.” Only people with nothing intelligent to say resort to such tactics.
…by “vitamin K” i assume you are referring to ketamine which is routinely cut into cheap X pills, resulting in the commonly referred to ‘smack-y’ pills which give an opiate like ‘nod’ – probably why Ana fell asleep on a pill as u won’t just fall asleep on actual “Methylene-Dioxy-MethAmphetamine”.
most X tho are not MDMA, even the powder form; much more likely to be MDA, MDEA, or many of the other multitude of variants detailed in the works of Alexander Shuglin, the ‘grandfather of ecstasy’ – due to wholesale crackdowns on moving the precursor sassafrole. doesn’t mean it doesn’t work tho…
No. I am referring to vitamin K. The vitamin. You know, from the Vitamin Shoppe. Ketamine would be pretty silly if your goal was to make ‘cheap’ presses.
MDA, and other such MDMA analogues are still ‘ecstasy.’ I own books written by Shulgin.
I too am disappointed that members’ concerns voiced in the comments last Friday were not address in this PG. I get that most at TYT do not even glance at the comments but Malcolm & Steve have both responded to my comments in the past so someone must have seen the uproar. TYT really needs to address this. I would also like a better explanation of what happened w/Jordan Chariton. I, unfortunately, just accepted Cenk’s vague explanation back then because I thought TYT wouldn’t get rid of Jordan w/o good cause. Now I wonder if Jordan was too brash & rebellious for the direction TYT is heading & they jumped at the first chance to get rid of him.
It is disappointing that there really hasn’t been any response to the obvious outrage to the YouTubeTv move but I haven’t given up all hope yet. To be honest I don’t think Cenk reads the member posts on the PG and hasn’t for years. With that being said, I DO think that Steve, Malcolm, and Dave read them and I’m hoping that they will at least address it in the Friday PG.
My thoughts on it: I understand that TYT wants to grow their platform. I not only understand I actually think it’s a good idea. But, as Cenk says, you need balance. And although he said that it is a balancing act with this, where is it balancing in our direction? Because right now, it looks like you gave a lot of exclusive membership content away and made new shows that we don’t have access to. A big part of TYT membership is loyalty. But loyalty is a two way conversation. And right now I feel like it is becoming more one-sided.
With that being said, here are some of my ideas to make things better:
1. Make the PG members only again. This used to be the prime reason to subscribe to TYT in the early years and I feel like it’s a core benefit of becoming a member. It’s a good way to stay connected with your members and shouldn’t be made public.
2. Have new members only shows. I understand that because of contracts we probably won’t get the Damage Report or No Filter. But having new members only shows will show an act of good faith with your members and give them an incentive to stay. Hell, you might even get new members because of it. One idea is to have a TYT international show. A lot of people have been asking for more international stories on TYT. Not only that, I feel like it might help mitigate the problem with international members who can’t access YouTubeTv even if they wanted to.
Anyway, those are my thoughts and I hope the do the right thing.
I completely agree w/your ways to make things better
they’re already stretching themselves thin with all this extra content – you really think they’re going to have the time or energy to give anything to us lowly members anymore?
You can cut the mold right off of cheese. However, do not eat moldy bread because it gets infused with mold throughout. But if you do accidently eat it, you will spit it right out.
They chose brie because it is a soft cheese.
Cenk’s “I’m champion of the world” moments are always great
Cenk, you’ve never tried hoisin duck pancakes? Void your wife’s Asian card because she’s not representing!
I agree with the rest of the comments here, but like to interject one thing. If all shows are available via other sources, i think that is woefully unfair. But other sources have ads do they not? if this is purely ad free i’ll be more inclined to not be upset, cause i joined not cause i wanted the content, but because i loved the content and it was very good quality and i wanted to support you. but also cause i wanted it ad free. I’m happy. for the most part. but if u drop an ad even ads to ur shoptyt.; thats crossing a line. As for benefits for members? how bout delay the shows on other sources by 1 day or something? or send then a few month members only specialty programming. Like do one extra episodes or do weekend shows that are members only on a smaller lowkey group of employees? you could give value back to your members. but honestly your comment section, website, and when the episodes are up to view are all lacking on your website, so i mean how bout fix that lack of quality already.
The hoisin duck is not the best example of them being wealthy, it’s a readily available sauce here in Britain. It’s used in chinese dishes, it’s really nice. That she has a London home – assuming she owns it, but even then – is really more of a red flag
I have to admit, you guys make a disturbing point. As a member I expected a little preferential treatment. Now I am unsure what is ‘special’ about getting the main hours and all the shows when you could as well go with YT TV and get the shows most of the members watch.
I recognize all things change as they grow and that the members are still the core of TYT but in playing the game with ‘partners’ like Google and Youtube, who are actively trying to silence alternative voices, and instead of criticizing and aggressively pushing the progressive points coddle up having main stream lackies on the panels (after a decade of telling us how badd they are and hypocritical) makes it uncomfortably clear which way TYT is moving. Center Left. It may be the price we pay for having the muscle to be critical and taken seriously in the ‘main stream’. Fuck the main stream. Fuck corporate America, For once since 2009, Im beginning to think TYT as a true avant gard progressive platform, with all the unconventional cussing and aggressive points of view is fading. I think that is why Jimmy Dore is so popular. The sad truth is, just lately, I have skipped the main shows. And those I really love like Old School and Aggressive Progressive are becoming the only ones I look forward to. I think it is the change in tone and content that is sinking in. It’s all too…. controlled. Even Cenk’s rants feel put on about obviously offensive subjects. It just isn’t as spontaneous, in your face, and anti-establishment as it was. Like I said, time and growth change everything. I’ve been down this road many times, and I almost always end up feeling disappointed and dissociated.
Keep your expectations low to zero and you will only be happy when you get a little of what you want. That’s a truth in life.
TYT needs to apologize to us! I demand both a TWISTY-TWIST *AND* a TYT-RECREATION by the end of the week or else!
What Cenk said about wealthy places being non-arrestable drug havens scared me even more that hearing folks’ll call ICE over hearing Spanish in the second hour. Then Ana frosted my cookies with the ‘MDMA must be cut with HORSE TRANQUILIZER’??!
I never knew drugs, both illegal and hospital grade / doctor prescribed, were so prolific in wealthy white American communities. Token African Americans like Ben Carson must be permanently plastered with the stuff.
Of course it’s an issue of who gets arrested and who doesn’t , but with me it’s even more an issue of getting to why it’s so widespread and depended on. If legalizing most of it will help reduce such dependence and promote natural human interaction via healthy food and drinks I’m all for it.
As scared as I am now to attend US parties / gatherings, I am so grateful to Cenk, Ana and the TYT staff for holding a very lovely, totally legitimate and safe Sweet Sixteen Anniversary Party in Los Angeles last February, and to Flappers of Burbank for holding an equally safe and sound Jimmy Dore comedy show that same month. ?
Crazy how quickly things are ramping up for the end of net neutrality…in my neck of the woods folks are experiencing terrible connections and being kicked off line.? Meanwhile, Verizon is pushing their Fiber optics and suggesting our outdated routers need replaced for 40 or 50 bucks. Oh, and now we can finally pay more for faster speeds, because we wouldn’t want to miss out on their package full of content and the speed it takes to stream it. It looks better than Youtubes content…feels like we are losing. Gattika!
I always check the expiration date .
Was expecting a comment about the negative reaction to Carol Costello on the Panel last week.
I guess no one at TYT reads the comments.
In the past I would 100% share your expectations. Unfortunately, for now, they cannot use the PG as a place to reach out directly to us members… now all this content will be aired on YouTubeTV and isn’t a place to share real talk on a membership level. It’s frustrating and disappointing as hell.
TYT: Please don’t just ignore the concern people had about Carol Costello. There was obviously an incredibly strong reaction–and concern– to the friday 1st hour. It’s an issue that I’m sure many TYT subscribers would like to have comments from Cenk and Ana and possibly Ben. It relates to an important topic about journalism in these times.
I gave up on getting a reaction from TYT staff on anything going on in the member discussion. I comment, nobody from the staff reads it but at least I made an effort. Guess, that’s just how it is.
Right now, I am just glad, they got back to normal. Friday show was creepy, really frightening.
Huh? What was wrong with Carol Costello? I only heard her for a little bit and she seems fine.
To give a “non answer” to your question. The issue isn’t so much whether their was or was not something “wrong” with her, although I thought there was. It’s the issue of how journalists can walk the line between being “fair” to what their reporting without being robotically “non judgmental” about what they are reporting., no matter how absurd the event they are reporting. The members’ comments indicated a VERY STRONG interest in that topic.
this is not related to this post game but: Cenk if you’re an atheist, why do you thank God all the damn time?/
you support coke… really? look into what that company has done to many countries in Africa and South America, are you sure about that?
decolonize America, it’s United States of America
I LOVE your shows, all your reporters and staff you are great people!
Cheezin’ with Molly
Re: women supposedly doing MDMA more than men. That women are more likely to “seek treatment” while doing drugs does not say anything about their drug usage rate. That only speaks to their treatment-seeking rate.
Re: MDMA supposedly not making you horny. Uh, yes it very much does (insert personal anecdotes). Very, very horny. And, let me tell you, don’t ever have sex on it because sober sex won’t be the same for a while. Further, there have been some interesting cases of emergency room visits by people who have been injured because they were on MDMA and couldn’t stop having sex until, ahem, their genitals were seriously injured.
All-in-all, I’m always down for a drug-related post game, and the innocence in this conversation was really cute. <3
Excellent points from a YoungScientist in your first paragraph. Cenk and Ana lack scientific knowledge.
To your second paragraph, I’m sure like all drugs, different people experience it in different ways.
I don’t understand why they can’t keep the post game just for members. Why did that have to go over to youtubetv. Just leave it here and play reruns or something on yourtubetv where the post game might go.
yh as a member, i would have liked to have a place where they can address strictly the members. post game seems the best place to do so.. i guess the FPG would be the only place now (that is still only for the members, not that i watch it often lol)… i guess youtubetv wanted all the shows that the members have access to plus 4 exclusive ones.. its definitely disappointing.. love tyt and ill always be a fan.. just feel like we’re not the priority anymore, its youtubetv and expansion. we dont wanna be left behind Cenk!
to those who wondered how things would change …
no more discussion with the members about the issues that are important TO the members – instead we get spiked cheese ;-/
Speak for yourself, troll. This member very much enjoyed this discussion.
Agreed. This was a fun one for sure
Historically speaking, after a video from the previous show received 239 comments (the majority of them voicing concerns or complaints), the Post Game would be where Cenk/Ana/Dave would address the concerns. So while the content of this PG was overall enjoyable, it’s frustrating to many of us that it’s no longer the space in which TYT can reach out directly to members.
Agreed. Couldn’t they at least film something separately to send our way?
Or is the entire studio and all the video equipment owned by YouTube…?
oh shut it … pointing out that now that the Post Game is public they’re not going to actually talk to the members about anything that might be seen as controversial in an actually detriment way – they’ll play up the faux controversy of MDMA for it’s salacious click bait nature … but show that there are issues between members and TYT to the public? never
The Post Game is not Members ONLY anymore? WTF am I paying subscription for? Such a disappointing week concerning TYT
On this point I think we finally have an area of agreement. If the Post Game shows are to be made public to YouTube TV, then at the very least they should bring back weekly Twitter Storm segments or something of the like which directly addresses member feedback. And I’ll bet you that will happen if we keep on them about this.