Cenk and Ana talk about TYT’s launch to Youtube TV for this Post Game and what it all means.
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I haven’t had tv for years, this is awesome. very happy you exist.
I use my cell phone to tether to a laptop… live in a van. no solar yet, but i can play videos and games
People, let’s keep the big picture here. Cable news shows may be struggling, but the right wing political establishment is gaining. As Cenk says, they won the White House, Congress, SCOTUS, and thousands of state races. TYT, and the organizations it has started, Justice Democrats and WolfPAC, are one of the main, if not THE main force galvanizing the left. And it’s influence is starting to make a difference, moving the center more to the left, affecting primaries – which is what we need to actually change the trajectory of elections and our government.
Getting the word out to a broader audience, and competing in the political sphere with behemoth propaganda machines like FOX is crucial to pulling the center back towards the left and getting control again. Being on a platform where a newbie can flip the channels and have their mind blown by TYT’s fresh, real, hard hitting programming is how to bring more into the fold and increase the resistance.
While it is nice feeling like TYT is our own sanctuary in a sea of corrupt, bigoted right wing ideology, the only way it can really change the system is to reach more minds in the center and normalize progressive political philosophy.
People at the vanguard of a movement often feel like it’s uniqueness and spark is diluted when more people join it, but that’s exactly what is needed to reach a critical mass. If we really hope to succeed against the overwhelming moneyed forces controlling our politics and government, we need to reach the people in the middle.
I for one will keep my membership and look forward to some shows being only for members. But the main show and message need to get out.
Peace
Obviously that CNN commentator was an interesting choice, and it was obvious the rest of the panel was holding back a little to not appear too adversarial. Not withholding disagreement completely, just being a bit more diplomatic than usual about mainstream media ridiculousness while she was a guest on the show. I think it is obvious to most TYT viewers that she was playing the typical CNN “moderate” voice, and I actually thought it had some value to show how typical “in the biz” news professionals react. I don’t mind hearing dissenting voices and other points of view on a TYT panel, it mixes things up and adds a little contrast to the show. If that sort of voice became a regular feature that would be a problem, but I sincerely doubt that will be the case. Youtube TV? Good luck, I support anything that helps spread TYT’s message. About cussing? On one hand I miss the raw less professional “good ole days”, but on the other hand I am very happy for them for how far they have come in their constant evolution. On another note, some folks here need to get back on their meds. You can make a more powerful point without the manic rants.
remember – those of you who are continuing to make excuses for Cenk about this – for months we watched as YouTube nearly destroyed every progressive channel we love … Cenk remained silent – Ana remained silent … only making passing mention when forced to by the magnitude of each of wave of blows being given to them … the other channels mentioned often that TYT was also effected by this – BUT DID TYT SAY ANYTHING SUBSTANTIVE ABOUT IT? NO – THEY REMAINED QUITE FOR THEIR MASTERS …
Ana claims no one tells her what to say – but obviously her and Cenk know what NOT TO SAY … don’t upset your YouTube overlords and stand up for progressives … no no no no … if you’re trying to make a deal with them you bow to them and kiss their feet and only make small noises about the gutting of independent media by Google – YouTube and Facebook … they did make louder noises about Facebook later – I think whatever deal they were trying make with them must have fell through …
remember how they remained silent as YouTube and Google systematically tried to silence dissenting voices in service to the Establishment … ask yourselves – are they REALLY on your side – or is Cenk only really in this for his own ego ;-) … not so sure anymore myself … only hear for Jimmy at this point … will follow him if he leaves – Cenk already showed me where his loyalty lies – it’s with YouTube and not us
*QUIET
oh – and as for my ‘conspiracy theories’ … (as far as I know I’m the only one that got in Cenk’s face about having to ask permission to swear to Method Man) … does Cenk realize that he admitted that what I was saying was true? he did have to ask if he could swear … why? isn’t HE the head of TYT? doesn’t HE call the shots? why did he have to ask Method Man? funny how they’re afraid of me … a 50+ year old woman from bumfuck Wisconsin … my only intent was to force him to be straight with his members instead of continuing to lie to us …
_sigh_
Xenophrenia – enough from you already FFS!!!
we’ve all heard your quite possibly valid points. Ur now just spamming the members comments; any platform with decent admins would have put you in a time out by now, or swing the ban hammer for all your personal attacks on other members which is out of order.
i thought hundreds of individuals were commenting the same message till i noticed 50% of it is all you. get a life.
Can’t u see ur just being a ndescending & repetitive ? I think we all can, whether we agree with some of your points or not.
pack it in
, till you got something new to say?
take breath and save urself carpal tunnel syndrome from hitting copy/paste so often
dont waste ur warrior keyboard insulting me now -im not even arguing with you on substance
– Id follow Jimmy if he left too & I worry about editorial independence esp. given the scant coverage of the decimation / Dysney-fication of utube content i love, which i gave them merry hell in the members comments for – but ur behaving like Trump on Twitter, trash talking folk. trash me now if you like i won’t be revisiting this vital discussion cos you have ruined it.
where the admins at? hammer this troll
I’m going to assume that some of the crazier-sounding commenters here are merely trolls trying to sew division.
For the sincere commenters who are genuinely hurt, I don’t think you should be for the moment. Although I too think the Youtube cable deal is probably not going to turn out as well as many at TYT are hoping it will, I don’t think this is going to lead to a watering-down of their progressive voice. As a Socialist I’m far to the left of most TYT hosts, but even I haven’t noticed an appreciable shift in their commentary aside from the cursing. I think it’s probably far too early to tell anyways. That being said, I don’t think the new YouTube cable launch is going to change their content in the way that many panicking commenters here are assuming it will. Even though they will be available on cable, it’ll still be through YouTube, which TYT has been on for many years now, so it’s not like they’ll suddenly be beholden to Exon Mobil or what have you. Everyone needs to calm down and stop spinning conspiracy theories.
TYT’s choice to bring Carol Costello on to the Friday Power Panel was indeed unfortunate as her commentary was infuriating, but that one instance is hardly indicative of a trend. If TYT continues to bring on establishment hack after establishment hack over and over for weeks and months, then it will be crystal clear. For now though I think people are jumping the gun with all of this panic and claims of conspiracy.
no honey – TYT fucked it’s long time members – I’ll repeat for you what I just told another recent member who has no fucking clue what they’re talking about:
WE BUILT THE FUCKING STUDIO THEY’RE IN
WE RAISED OVER $2 MILLION FUCKING DOLLARS FOR THEM TO HIRE AN INVESTIGATIVE TEAM
WE SUPPORTED THEM FOR UP TO 16 FUCKING YEARS
and now they’re handing everything WE FUCKING GAVE THEM to YouTube TV …
YOUTUBE TV GETS THE $40 – NOT TYT – WHY THE FUCK SHOULD WE PROP GOOGLE UP?
no – we’re not just fucking pissed about a $10 membership fee – Cenk and TYT took our loyalty and our money and our time and now Cenk is sticking his dick in our face saying suck it … if he does it again I’ll fucking cut it off
TYT has fucked their long time members – that’s why they’re pissed … they have been hiding this shit for months – if you want a detailed description of just how massive of a fucking betrayal this is read this comment by John Lucas https://tytnetwork.com/2018/05/17/post-game-may-17-2018/#comment-181196 … if this link doesn’t take you there – just use some effort and scroll down this comment thread – it’s the REALLY LONG post in 2 parts … they fucked us over and late comers like you can shut the fuck up and sit the fuck down with your patronizing stupidity
I also donated to the studio and journalism drive. And I find your rant as absurd as your personal attacks on every member here that dares disagree with you. You seem to confuse insults for an actual substantive argument.
I don’t support TYT financially to be a member of some exclusive club or to see things that other people don’t get to. And for the membership shows I do like, namely Old School and the Post Game I would match rather give TYT $10 a month for that than to give Youtube TV $40.
But those shows are just a bonus for me. The core reason I support them is because I support their message. I care about politics and public policy and whatever they can do in order to reach as broad an audience as possible, I support. That is the only thing that matters.
You are free to have a different view on what membership means to you but don’t think you get to speak for every member that has been around for a while. You don’t. And you don’t get to tell every other member that disagrees with you to shut the fuck up and pretend their views are irrelevant cause you think you have more seniority . I’m mean that you managed to call the above person “patronizing” without a hint of irony shows a stunning lack of self awareness. You are by far the most patronizing person in this comments section.
good for you my dear … but YOU ARE IN THE MINORITY if you look through the comments – you want CNN lite – have at it – we’ll find someone who’s not so wrapped up in their own egoistic bullshit that they destroy everything they claim they stand for just to beat a fucking media mogul … the only way you beat someone like Jeff Zucker is TO BECOME LIKE JEFF ZUCKER … which means you don’t care who you kill or destroy to get there … Cenk is fast headed down that road … I’ve watched this movie before – can’t help you’re so blinded by loyalty you don’t see it …
you’ll get fucked too – everyone will … but hey – I’ve been right before … told you they were selling you out to become a cable channel – don’t they bitch about 24 hour news channels and what happens to the people that run them? ;-)
yeah … keep buying their drug … but you are now supporting Google’s profits and bottom line – Cenk is completely beholden to the owners of his platform now – he willingly gave up freedom of language for them … he claims he can still swear but we know they won’t …
fool
“good for you my dear … but YOU ARE IN THE MINORITY “.
No “dear” I’m not. I did read the comments and beyond your spam and attacks on members here the majority are supportive and understanding of TYT’s move here. But even if I were that still wouldn’t make me wrong.
” you want CNN lite – have at it.”
Right, cause CNN covers Bernie townhalls and supports universal healthcare and money out of politics, and takes on the military industrial complex and doing something on climate change and regulating Wallstreet. and supports progressives in Democratic primaries, ect, ect, ect.
Oh wait, they don’t do any of that. But of course people like you don’t care about policy. Which is why in all your spam comments you didn’t bother mentioning any policy disagreement you have with TYT once. You prefer an exclusive club to an organization that is actually trying to change things and reach as many people as possible.
All your complaints are purely style over substance. Because on the substantitive policy issues Cenk has not changed at all, even a little bit. Which if you were a serious person should be all that matters to you.
But your not. Which is why all you got is insults and condescension.
according to the comments here you are – outnumbered 2 to 1 from what I can see … keep trying
you have NO fucking idea what ‘people like me’ care about – but keep on making shit up to stroke your own ego …
Chris Hayes openly talked about how socialism was a good thing when he first started at MSNBC … they’re corporate now my dear – seriously – why didn’t they cover the evisceration of independent media by all platforms @ Google? they only mentioned the ad thing when the heat on them NOT covering it became too intense … now we know why – they were doing YouTube a favor by not going after them with the side benefit that YouTube was crippling their competition … they would have normally been up Google’s ass about deranking progressive media like Truth Out and Common Dreams … passing mention when Jimmy brought it up once if I remember correctly … but they haven’t changed … nah …
what the fuck do you mean by policy disagreement? shitting on long time members by calling the Putin puppets when they are asked to name ONE member that stands up for Putin … Cenk couldn’t so he attacked Sean viciously … you mean that kind of change? that they were spending show after show on TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP … when there were a myriad of other things NOT covered by MSM that they ignored … which is why everyone is sick and tired of Cenk’s bullshit obsession … HALF A FUCKING HOUR ON STORMY DANIELS … an actual non-story really at the time – but hey … that’s what gets ratings on cable so gotta keep up with them because they’re going cable … and yes this fucking YouTube thing IS a fucking cable package … most of cable is delivered over the internet now so distinctions are invalid … YouTube is just creating THEIR OWN CABLE PACKAGE …
did you see that CNN piece of shit they had on Friday – shift baby … THAT’S A FUCKING SHIFT …
oh by the way – johnlucas did a good breakdown of the shift I speak of … https://tytnetwork.com/2018/05/18/tyt-hour-1-may-18-2018/#comment-181178 … followed by Part 2 …
didn’t Cenk claim that 24/7 news was detrimental to an organization? did he also say that those who grow compromised don’t see their compromises? they’ve bent on language – they gave almost ALL members only shows to YouTube TV and won’t be pulling back the Post Game for months (contract agreements I would guess) … now the hosts are going to be spending their time and resources MAKING GOOGLE MONEY … NOT TYT … doing things FOR GOOGLE … GOOGLE gets the $40 – we get our programing given to YouTube … your stupidity on this is amazing … but hey – fanbois can’t see how wrong they are until it’s too late (and often don’t even see it then)
don’t worry – when the time comes I WILL SAY I TOLD YOU SO … just like I did about them turning the network into a cable channel … it WILL CORRUPT THEM … ;-) – it already has
“I don’t support TYT financially to be a member of some exclusive club or to see things that other people don’t get to.” … hey dipshit … that’s exactly what they’re doing … didn’t you see Cenk spit on the member that told him she couldn’t afford $40 dollars by telling her she’s lucky it’s on $40? –
“I care about politics and public policy and whatever they can do in order to reach as broad an audience as possible, I support. That is the only thing that matters.” … so do I – only you don’t see how that message has shifted … like I said – I’ve seen this before … did you know I first heard of Richard Wolff … the Marxist economics professor … from Chris Hayes? the first person I EVER HEARD MENTION SOCIALISM IN A POSITIVE MANNER ON MSM WAS CHRIS HAYES … as well as the first person to openly talk about legalizing marijuana on a MSM platform … do you know what show he was guest hosting when he did it? Rachel Maddow’s show .. go watch him now ;-)
“I’m mean that you managed to call the above person “patronizing” without a hint of irony shows a stunning lack of self awareness. You are by far the most patronizing person in this comments section.” – you’re fucking right I was – I return patronizing sneers with patronizing sneers … you shit on people who know more than you – I’ll shit on you right back … shit on someone you lose my respect and you will be treated in the manner you deserve … I don’t sugar coat sweetie … never have never will … eye for eye if the situation warrants it …
oh hey – you do realize that you no longer support TYT right? they’re putting most of their resources into making YouTube TV money now … you bought a set for YouTube TV – you helped finance a studio for YouTube TV … your funding Google not Cenk … he got $20 million – you think he can’t get more from similar sources – you don’t think he will? he don’t listen to us anymore – he hid this from us – he believed we’d like supporting YouTube – the platform that is now fucking every progressive voice it can both on YouTube and through de-ranking on Google … but who cares about ACTUAL progressive voices – you have CNN lite to support … ;-)
“only you don’t see how that message has shifted … like I said – I’ve seen this before … did you know I first heard of Richard Wolff … the Marxist economics professor … from Chris Hayes? the first person I EVER HEARD MENTION SOCIALISM IN A POSITIVE MANNER ON MSM WAS CHRIS HAYES … as well as the first person to openly talk about legalizing marijuana on a MSM platform … do you know what show he was guest hosting when he did it? Rachel Maddow’s show .. go watch him now ;-)”
The message hasn’t shifted at all. And instead of backing your argument that it has at TYT you bring up Maddow and Hayes. Because you have no substantive argument against the positions that TYT actually supports.
I don’t watch Maddow and Hayes, in fact I have never watched anything they have done beyond a few Youtube clips about them so bringing them up means less than nothing to me. I don’t need anyone to tell me what to think, I had my political opinions well formed long before I ever heard of TYT. As TYT continues to support the right things I will continue to support them.
“he believed we’d like supporting YouTube – the platform that is now fucking every progressive voice it can both on YouTube and through de-ranking on Google”
Youtube is also that outlet that gave a platform to TYT, Jimmy Dore, Kyle Kulinski, David Dole, and countless others. Where did Jordan Chariton go back to in order to get his message out? Youtube of course. Everytime you go watch a video of any one of those guys on Youtube you are supporting Google. Those guys are supporting Google by partnering with the platform. Are they all sellouts too then? This holier than tho bullshit doesn’t further the cause of progressive politics. Which in every comment you make it becomes more and more obvious you care nothing about it. Of course Youtube is less than perfect, their deprioritizing of non-traditional news and politics channels is terrible. But they are still the best platform available for these getting their message out and as long as they can continue to do that they are net good.
As far as TYT goes as soon as TYT changes their position on substantive progressive policies you will have a point and you can say told ya. Until then you can take your own advice and sit down and shut up.
who tells a member that asks about not being able to afford $40 that they should be glad it’s cheaper than what LA pays for cable ($200) … Cenk does … change brought to you by having to belittle someone showing what a bad idea you just presented actually is … so shame them for not appreciating what they can’t have …
is that what you mean by substantive position changes? his shitting on that person shocked me because it was so out of character – shitting on a person who has nothing because he didn’t have a good answer for her … that was ugly – the second time in a short period of time I’ve seen him personally shit on members – on air – after reading their Twitter handles so they were PERSONAL attacks on members … is that what you mean by change?
@Xenophrenia
Yes we the members paid for their studio,etc., but the venture capital of $20 million paid for the YouTube cable deal. And by the way TYT is not handing everything we gave them over to YouTube. We as members still get everything we pay for as part of our membership. The YouTube Cable content is *new* and *extra* content, therefore going by the manner in which TYT’s payment/access membership structure seems to be set up, it only makes sense that that new extra content (on a new platform) would carry an extra charge especially given that YouTube Cable itself has its *own* paywall built-in. Think about this logically for a second, how exactly was Cenk supposed to get thousands of TYT members grandfathered in to the YouTube Cable access for free with no extra cost being passed on somewhere? Do you really think the capitalists at YouTube would have been all hunky dory with that? Do you really think for second YouTube would have just written off thousands of $40 memberships just like that out of the goodness of their own hearts? If you honestly think that, then you don’t know the first thing about structural capitalist greed.
Is the YouTube Cable deal a good thing? Personally, I’m skeptical about its vaunted potential to gain new members, but we’ll see. We’re still in the early days after all. I personally think TYT shouldn’t have done the YouTube Cable deal. I think they should have just made the new shows and put them up on TYT Network for paying members. That would have given more people an extra incentive to join, but they opted for an venue that they believe would get them more exposure that unfortunately comes with its own fee.
By the way, I think your personal attacks and condescension are wholly uncalled for. People like you who make accusations of bad faith about everything TYT does that you disagree with, and who likewise assume that there’s some deep money-grabbing “selling out” conspiracy behind every development at TYT, need to seriously re-think your assumptions. You are tilting at windmills. If you’re one of those people who for a long time now constantly whines at every turn and paints this image that everyone at TYT are twirling their mustaches laughing maniacally about their next scheme to screw over members, then I have to ask why the hell are you still here and patronizing an organization that you believe is acting nefariously?
@Xenophrenia
Also, I’ve been a regular TYT viewer since 2007. I only recently in the last couple of years decided to put my cheapness aside and purchase a membership subscription.
@Xenophrenia Thank you for the shoutout Xenophrenia!
I think that 2-part post you’re referencing is this one here from TYT Hour 1 May 18, 2018.
https://tytnetwork.com/2018/05/18/tyt-hour-1-may-18-2018/#comment-181178
I had to break it up into 2 parts because of space limitations.
But you haven’t missed a beat on how fucked up all of this is.
I thought it was bad enough in 2017. But I never thought they would go THIS far.
And what’s so bad they never even needed to do any of this.
TYT’s fanbase was big enough & the times were rebellious enough where TYT could be RENEGADE all powered by the members.
It would have repaired the distrust many people had in them after most of the staff got behind Hillary in that steal from Bernie. We coulda wrote it off as a one-off situation & left it at that.
Instead they keep piling on the feeling of distrust.
TV is dead anyway. Who cares about TV? The Internet is the future.
Hell, the Internet is the present!
There’s a REASON why Nintendo created the 1st AND 2nd Home Handheld Consoles.
The Wii U of 2012 being the 1st & the Switch of 2017 being the 2nd.
Videogame home consoles have always been married to the TV set.
Whether it’s the RF Switch or the RCA Composite Cables or the RCA Component Cables or HDMI.
Nintendo was smart to realize the implications of the Smartphone Revolution (AKA the Tablet PC Revolution) & moved their undefeated status as Handheld Console champ (Game & Watch, Game Boy, DS) into their Home Console devices. Both Wii U & ESPECIALLY Switch can operate totally independent from a TV set.
Since everybody’s eyes are glued to their little tablet PCs, the TV set is merely a home theatre & broadscreen.
Google is making a play to own ALL of the media companies with their YouTube TV & YouTube Red situations.
Telecommunications Act of 1996 made all of this possible.
Google/Alphabet is gonna eventually own all of the mega media conglomerates as they move them to their platform. Owning them ALL from A to Z. Every letter of the Alphabet.
Video Killed The Radio Star? Internet Killed The TV Star. Broadcast AND Cable.
Cenk should be securing his spot as the King of the new emerging mass media format.
Instead he’s playing into old media’s desperate ploys to stay relevant in a disrupted market field.
He could set TYT up to TRULY be a force for informing & awakening the public.
He has a GOLDEN opportunity here. It could be TYT that becomes the Kingmakers/Queenmakers in politics for the decades to come. Politicians go to TYT & face TYT’s highly discerning audience which makes it easier to check them on their bullshit & keep them from enacting bad policy.
Those who WON’T go on there will be seen as cowards & shysters.
But he would rather go out with stunts like this.
If he wanted to make unique programming for that service it would be one thing.
But sacrificing the members like this? Dumb. Just dumb.
It just goes to show who really shapes the company now. It’s not the members anymore.
It’s the “investors”. Bit by bit we’ll see more of this truth become apparent.
Wait until TYT goes public! Then it will be crystal clear to everyone. Shareholders. The Board.
Stock market abbreviation ‘TYT’. Get ready for it.
John Lucas
I get why people are angry. The idea of someone who pays $40 to Youtube getting more content than the people who put $10 directly into TYT is off-putting, and it should be.
But I’m not that nonplussed myself.
They’ve always questioned themselves on what they should lock behind a paywall and what they should offer for free. There’s plenty of people that say nothing should be locked if the message is righteous or whatever.
This is just another version of that. They’re adding a new platform, and Cenk really wants to see if he can compete with mainstream, and part of that comes with more new and different paywall considerations of the same sort they’ve been going through the whole time. I’m one of those foreigners who couldn’t do YoutubeTV even if I wanted to, but I’m not that miffed about missing a few extra shows to give them the chance to put them on the new platform first. I wouldn’t be surprised if given enough time, members with access to archives also eventually get access to the YTTV shows. It just won’t be while they’re being used as an exclusive draw to the new platform.
I’m going to keep paying my membership as long as the content I do have access to remains similar in quality and message to what I’ve been getting so far. There’s a decent possibility that the quality will suffer as they stretch themselves more thinly across a 24 hour push and the messages may suffer as more money gets involved. If the quality and the message take a turn for the worse, then yeah, I’ll jump ship, too, but I for one am willing to wait and see how it turns out.
this isn’t just about a fucking $10 membership fee dipshit
WE BUILT THE FUCKING STUDIO THEY’RE IN
WE RAISED OVER $2 MILLION FUCKING DOLLARS FOR THEM TO HIRE AN INVESTIGATIVE TEAM
WE SUPPORTED THEM FOR UP TO 16 FUCKING YEARS
and now they’re handing everything WE FUCKING GAVE THEM to YouTube TV …
YOUTUBE TV GETS THE $40 – NOT TYT – WHY THE FUCK SHOULD WE PROP GOOGLE UP?
no – we’re not just fucking pissed about a $10 membership fee – Cenk and TYT took our loyalty and our money and our time and now Cenk is sticking his dick in our face saying suck it … if he does it again I’ll fucking cut it off
TYT has fucked their long time members – that’s why they’re pissed … they have been hiding this shit for months – if you want a detailed description of just how massive of a fucking betrayal this is read this comment by John Lucas https://tytnetwork.com/2018/05/17/post-game-may-17-2018/#comment-181196 … if this link doesn’t take you there – just use some effort and scroll down this comment thread – it’s the REALLY LONG post in 2 parts … they fucked us over and late comers like you can shut the fuck up and sit the fuck down with your patronizing stupidity
R U a Bot? U R certainly spam.
Well I guess it’s time to cancel my TYT membership to pay for my YouTube TV membership to see the other shows. I’m guessing they make less money this way but this is what they did to themselves.
It’s funny how tyt always said that if you want to bury a piece of news, you release it on a Friday afternoon.
Well, Thursdays are tyt’s Fridays, kinda. Why?
Because there’s no live Post Game show on Friday, so whatever needs to be addressed will be done during Thursday’s post game. I don’t see them addressing content / programming / membership issues on Friday’s POWER PANEL, with outside hosts on the panel.
So, they announce on Thursday, ignore it on Friday and you know for a fact that, over the weekend, there will be so much going on in the news that they will start the next week catching up, not mentioning this whole YouTube TV debacle.
Just my 2 pence.
The dream has finally come true! TYT is now a cable network that I’ll never watch.
I absolutely love Ana and all of you guys, you are amazing and I love how you are growing, you are definitely changing the game and I really enjoy watching you and being part of the TYT team.
much love, peace!
I see the interns are back making gushing commentary trying to do damage control … losing battle honey … they’ve fucked it up this time ;-)
I welcome this expansion – for me the main purpose of TYT is to change the world for the better, not to provide as much entertainment for paying members as possible.. I’m proud my member-fee is helping achieve this. Also, how many hours of TYT is it reasonable to watch per day? Seriously, if the current quantity of content available to members isn’t enough for some people perhaps they’d benefit from reflecting on that..
lol
oh hey kiddies – did you see the CNN shill on today’s Power Panel – how she kept cutting off Cenk and Ana to try to tamp down their rants? THIS IS WHAT YOU ARE GETTING NOW …
THE FIRST FUCKING DAY they have a CNN piece of shit on the panel … it will only get worse from here peeps – I’ve been right about this from the moment they started putting commercial breaks in the Post Game …
It was painful to listen to her. I’m wondering why she didn’t play Devil’s Advocate on CNN when she had the opportunity.
@Xenophrenia I used to disagree with longtime TYT member robertjordan18 when he expressed severe concerns about TYT being compromised in that $20 million deal.
My reasoning was that if he was worried about that he’s too late to worry since TYT has been corporately-funded since AT LEAST late 2011 with the Current TV deal. The deal which dramatically upped their productions values & staffing. I could take it back even further by highlight Cenk’s dealings & work with MSNBC throughout 2009, 2010, & 2011. You know Cenk used his money from that deal to build that new sleek black set from late 2010.
TYT has quiet funders which you can find with a simple online search not to mention the obvious deal with Buddy Roemer’s outfit. So the only quibble with this August 2017 deal is with the dollar amount.
Which I admitted WAS worrying but with their track record I was willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.
But when Jordan Chariton was suddenly & conveniently ousted due to that slanderous/libelous Huffington Post article in November 2017, I relented & said that robertjordan18 was right.
The #metoo campaign is not all what it seems to be. There’s a political force behind that campaign & it was used to target certain individuals & discredit them/their careers.
When the Black female founder of that movement is suppressed in media coverage & other Black women with sexual harrassment complaints are moved to the margins, you know the campaign is being used for ulterior purposes. It was a hit campaign. A targeted witchhunt to take out subversives, political enemies, & even career rivals. Jordan Chariton just happened to be one of the targets. With his reporting on controversial topics, I Wonder Why! Hahahahahaha!
Cenk got his karma boomerang when that same campaign pushed him & Kyle out of the Justice Democrats damaging its ability to pull support.
But Cenk & crew ALREADY damaged Justice Democrats with his capitulation to Russia Hysteria & brainless Trump Derangement Syndrome. Hard for TYT to gather support when they’re turning so many people off.
Even harder when you now resort to censoring cuss words (REALLY?!?) & tamping down the necessary outrage we need to battle these Democratic & Republican freaks.
So by putting on CNN HLN’s Carol Costello, a mainstream media automaton, right when you announce this CNN-style 24-hour news coverage, it gets MORE & MORE obvious every day how compromised TYT has become. They lost their nerve in the heart of The Revolution.
That board member put in place as a result of the $20 million deal is exercising influence over the company.
Commercial breaks in the Post Game???????
The Post Game paid for by our membership subscriptions???????
WHAT?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Fuckin’ Cenk. Capitalist Supreme.
He doesn’t want to be part of The Revolution.
He merely wants to become part of A New Establishment.
His rebellion isn’t really against The Powers That Be.
His rebellion is against The Powers That Be not accepting him into their fold.
Well, it’s not like he didn’t warn us. He told us time & time again that he’s a Capitalist. A firm Capitalist.
That’s the whole reason he’s IN the United States. His family fled the furious political divides between the Capitalists & the Socialists & Communists back home in Turkey.
They left Turkey in 1978 & came here right as NeoLiberalism was about to complete its takeover.
It was no wonder why Cenk was fully behind Ronald Reagan/Republicans & bought into the jingoism that has WWF’s Hulk Hogan headbutt the Soviet Flag. ♫ I Am A Real American ♫ Indeed.
Well, as always there’s Jimmy Dore. Jimmy Dore is a Socialist.
When Cenk first interviewed him in 2010 on the old gray-panel set, one of the things he said to Jimmy was “You’re a solid ass lib.”
◄Comedian Jimmy Dore Joins TYT In-Studio► (March 26, 2010) [quoted comment at 5:03]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DbEKLXPfMI
And Jimmy has proven how solid he is all throughout this political transformation this country is going through.
THAT’S why he didn’t buckle to Hillary. THAT’S why his show has diverged from TYT Main.
If nothing else, Jimmy Dore is principled. He doesn’t value the dollar bill more than life.
There’s a reason why The Jimmy Dore Show airs on KPFK Radio from the PACIFICA Network.
The Pacifica Network was founded by Pacifists. Now you know how committed Jimmy Dore is to Anti-War.
Cenk had a golden opportunity after the election to REALLY get some change accomplished through TYT.
It looks like he has punted on this play for the ease of entering the Establishment Gates.
John Lucas
well Cenk has made no secrets he wants to be a chat show host and he has been perhaps disingenuous in getting to the point where he refers to himself as one now shamelessly on a progressive news channel.
but he built it and if he sells out the real progressives can follow Jimmy Dore and draft him to leave as he’s been sidelined already,
and watch great progressive content on RT: (oooh Russia Scary boogeyman) the content is solid e.g
Redacted Tonight – with rising star Lee Camp whose been on TJDS several times and gets the same MSM hit jobs as Jimmy
Watching The Hawks – including the sons of Jesse Ventura & Oliver Stone
Jesse Ventura – whose drafted Jimmy before as a stand in to host his entire show
On Contact with Chris Hedges, PoliticKing with Larry King or whats his name, etc etc etc
Russian Television America is slowly giving safe harbour to so many blackballed by the mainstream it’s truly ironic.
if TYT feels like Weak Tea there are options. RT, democracy now, The Empire Files with Abbey Martin, alJazeera English is mostly not propaganda, if ur discerning, they have a Quattari bias but once ur aware of that….
TYT is not the world so if they keep sliding we have options,
if we say u were right Xenopedia will u f off pls?
Jaaaysus…some of the comments here act like tyt came round and kicked your dog. For a tenner a month we get a fair share of content! and if this is business expansion to get the message out and grow, then I support them.
Much love
@morty14 I’m a yearly subscriber. $100 per year.
Cenk’s bullshitting & he knows it.
He was supposed to REPLACE CNN not become them.
They will get faker & faker as time goes on due to the corporate influences.
They’re already censoring cuss words so the slope will surely get more slippery with every step.
John Lucas
“He was supposed to REPLACE CNN not become them.”
Right cause CNN supports Bernie and covers his townhalls. And they were against the Iraq War, the bombing of Syria, call out the Military Industrial Complex, sound the alarms about climate change, are against the corrupting influence of money in politics, support progressive Democrats in primaries, call out Walstreet corruption, ect, ect.
Oh wait they don’t do any of that. And really I feel like I could go on forever on the differences of actual substantive policy issues between TYT and CNN or any MSM outlet.
“They’re already censoring cuss words so the slope will surely get more slippery with every step.”
And that right there is the crux of the argument I hear from people like you. You think being against the establishment depends entirely on the degree of foaming at the mouth that is displayed. But as Kyle Kulinski likes to continually point out, policy is the only thing that matters. And on every substantive policy issue TYT is as progressive as they have ever been.
steven-w, policy by itself is not gonna get the job done.
In media, the point is to CONVINCE people about what you’re saying.
And to do that you must not reside solely in logic & reason.
You must make the point EMOTIONALLY resonant.
You must reach the frontal lobe AND the lizard brain.
The front mind AND the back mind. The Thought AND The Instinct.
You do that by displaying the right passion which captures your audience & helps them connect with you.
You must mirror THEIR emotions. They must see themselves in you before they can trust you & what you say.
They must identify with you before anything else.
So when there’s an injustice & they see RIGHTEOUS ANGER & FURY barely being contained, they see how real you are in the face of injustice. They connect with you on your display of outrage.
This organization wasn’t built on decorum & the prim proper.
This organization was built on PASSION & HEART.
Yes, they foam at the mouth. That’s the point. That’s what works.
How do you think the “Right-Wing” captures all of their followers?
They take a legitimate or not-so-legitimate gripe & reflect that grievance to their audience to later amplify & direct those furious feelings.
Moderating that passion is fatal to this place.
Because it wasn’t built to be mild. It’s SUPPOSED to be on the edge & fiery.
By moderating & bland-ifying your presentation, you’re actually bowing to the establishment.
Because it takes that PASSION & FIRE to fight that establishment.
There has NEVER been a Revolution fought without passion, without anger & fury. NEVER.
The ones in power ALWAYS want you to tamp down & moderate.
That’s how they get you under control. They MUST make you Mild to avoid the wrath of the Wild.
The Unruly ones, the Wild ones are the ones who change the system.
Not the Tame ones, the Mild ones.
CNN uses those town halls to give the rub to the establishment’s potential tryout candidates.
That’s why they put up lame ass Amy Klobuchar as Bernie’s tag team partner in one of them.
They were trying move that Bernie Power over to her in the unsuspecting audience’s minds.
Either that or they’re trying to build a highlight reel for Bernie’s Republican opponents to embarrass him on.
Luckily for Bernie, he outwitted all of their routines & built his support even stronger.
Klobuchar looked lame next to Bernie as well as Lindsey Graham & Ted Cruz.
That’s why he’s going online lately for town halls. CNN & MSNBC finally figured out that they’re only unwittingly helping Bernie gain power instead of defusing it.
TYT may cover Bernie’s town halls but they damn sure ain’t fleshing out his vision.
They have gutted their investigative reporter division.
If they were serious about the policies Bernie is speaking about, that 24/7 YouTube TV coverage would be filled with reports of the untold unsung stories all across this country about the corruption & destruction going on without check. Not another silly show with a TYT host talking about random shit.
They should use the Cable TV model to do what Cable TV should have been doing all along.
Covering ALL of the stories all across this country showing how corrupt this place really is.
Something that puts real pressure on the powerful interests in this country.
I thought they were serious about this on Election Night as it dawned on them Hillary was doomed.
I thought these folks were ready to FIGHT & fight HARD.
No, only Jimmy. A jagoff nightclub comedian.
He takes that little show of his & does so much to imprint Revolutionary thought into his audience.
Even “Right-Wingers” are warming to him because of his integrity on this matter.
I originally thought all of those “Right-Wing” comments were trolls trying to separate Jimmy from TYT.
Some of them are. But a good number of them are earnest in their respect for Jimmy speaking truth to power.
You know one thing Jimmy kept intact when doing his show? PASSION.
HEART. FIRE. ANGER. FURY. And HUMOR for the chaser.
That’s how he connects. That’s how ANY good media outlet connects. Through the EMOTIONAL connection.
John Lucas
“policy by itself is not gonna get the job done.”
What’s not going to get the job done is attacking people on the right side of the issues simply because they don’t present those issues in the exact way you would prefer.
“I thought these folks were ready to FIGHT & fight HARD.
No, only Jimmy. A jagoff nightclub comedian.”
What absolute horseshit. That’s even dumber then pretend Cenk is the same as CNN even though they are fighting none of things that Cenk is.
Cenk is the guy that founded Justice Democrats and WolfPac. He is the guy that is trying to give the name recognition to actual progressives who have a shot at changing things. He is the guy hosting Rebel Headquarters. He is the guy that built TYT from nothing into a platform that can give exposure to those who are fighting the good fight, including Jimmy by the way.
Its the easiest thing in the world to sit behind a camera and rant and rave about how fucked up everyone else is. Its far more difficult to build a real coalition of people to get actual change.
People like you are all style over substance. And you have the nerve to call them CNN.
@steven-w That’s just the thing. Is TYT really on our side?
Or are they just opportunists riding a wave for popularity?
They have a major audience & thus a major responsibility.
They’re SQUANDERING their potential & shirking their responsibility.
Jimmy knows it takes People Power to begin the spark for change.
And his PASSION & FURY motivates people to get into action.
You’ll get NOWHERE without that Righteous Anger driving you.
You MUST have RAGE before you get CHANGE.
You talk about Cenk with Wolf-PAC & Justice Democrats.
The same Justice Democrats who have failed virtually every single race.
The few who DID get by will be crushed in the General Election.
Cenk went out here with some earnest well-meaning candidates & sent them into oblivion.
They didn’t have a plan to challenge these polling machines & watch the count.
They had a muffled media representation that was further weakened by legitimate distrust in the TYT organization due to their behavior over the past 2 years.
They not only lost but they weren’t even COMPETITIVE!
Was it rigged results, poorly run campaigns, or both? Knowing what happened in 2016, you HAVE to have a plan to challenge potentially tampered results.
Remember, I donated to both Alison Hartson & Paula Jean Swearengin.
I was gung-ho about this Justice Democrats idea BECAUSE of the results gained from Wolf-PAC.
But it seems like these organizations are not organized & optimized for success.
There’s no excuse for these shitty results. We didn’t come here for moral victories.
Somebody should be winning major races here. Everybody can’t win but somebody should.
Many bodies should. And we’re not seeing that. Failure after failure after failure.
And it makes me wonder how Wolf-PAC seems to get stymied & has made no further progress despite being here since 2011. Same issues in the structure of these organizations perhaps?
Yeah TYT riding that wave brought on a lot of sincere & genuine people like Jimmy Dore.
It doesn’t mean they’re necessarily committed to finishing the job on The Revolution.
As long as the problem is there, they can capture the discontented & build their company on those folks’ hopes & dreams. Solve the problem & what will TYT do then to build their name?
And Jimmy Dore was ALREADY going places before he joined up with TYT.
This guy had specials on Comedy Central & most likely he was heading on the path to having his own show in the Mainstream Media. It was only a matter of time.
Instead, he sacrificed that track to join what he thought was a company dedicated to Fighting The Power.
It was inevitable that he would rise to the top again in some fashion or another.
Because he has that solid core of conviction & enough talent to express it & convey it.
There’s a REASON why it was HE who was the most outspoken & the least cowed when it came to Hillary vs. Bernie despite all of the peer pressure.
There’s a REASON why they had to make a whole new show for him where he’s the HEAD of it.
Jimmy Dore is a LEADER & you can’t run a Henhouse with 2 Roosters.
Cenk had to create a space for Jimmy because Jimmy is too big to contain. He’s not a backup singer. He’s a lead.
I wait for the day when Jimmy Dore has the audience of TYT.
He does so much more with so much less. That cozy little radio studio & he gets so much in.
That’s why he gets invited to all of these independent media shows & all of these events lately.
He understands the importance of his position even if that position was thrust upon him because of the times.
He would love to go back to JUST being a dumb jagoff nightclub comedian telling dick jokes to drunks.
But Destiny calls. This is a time for unlikely heroes. And he was badass enough to take on the job.
If Justice Democrats & Wolf-PAC had a little more of that Jimmy Dore FIRE, they would probably be much further along than what we’re seeing right now. They would be a legit threat.
No, what’s easy is allowing yourself to get compromised when your megaphone is so important to change things.
If people don’t trust TYT, they’re not gonna trust Wolf-PAC or Justice Democrats.
They’re not gonna trust anything TYT produces if the trust ain’t there.
That’s why people get on them so hard when they squander their potential & capitulate.
People want these things to succeed. They want TYT to be that media hub which is central to change.
But it seems like TYT themselves are not all that committed to what truly needs to be done to undo all of this damage we’ve been subjected to throughout American history.
Word just broke out that Nomiki Konstantakis herself has just left TYT.
The most prominent member of The Watchers On The Wall crowdfunding campaign.
The most prominent face on the TYT Politics team outside of Jordan Chariton.
All of that hope we had immediately after the 2016 Election with TYT looking ready to battle.
It’s all squandered now. The convenient ousting of Jordan already collapsed the necessary coverage TYT needed to make a difference. And now the most prominent interviewer & political insider has left the fold.
She was the only one left holding TYT Politics together after they dropped Jordan.
It’s all gone now. Every last bit. Gone. Wasted. All that waste. Potential just dissipated.
Nearly all of those people from that Watchers On The Wall campaign are gone now.
Nomiki Konst = Gone. Shaun King = Gone. Dylan Ratigan = Gone.
Naomi LaChance = Gone. Andrew Jerell Jones = Gone.
And the rest that’s left are barely making any waves. Ryan Grim seems to be the best of the remaining lot.
Michael Tracey is hard to trace. Where IS he? What has Jonathan Larsen contributed effectively?
This is what happens when you don’t have that PASSION & FIRE.
Things flame out & fall apart. The Milquetoast NEVER win Revolutions. Only the PASSIONATE do.
John Lucas
Hello Members!
A note about our YouTube TV launch:
https://tytnetwork.com/2018/05/18/update-from-member-services/
Look over there, it’s trump and putin.
The YouTube TV should’ve been OK, we’re creating new content for your platform, but our members ge to watch it, too.
There are many, many reasons for this, one being that YouTube TV is not available for hundreds, if not thousands, of our members.
It’s just not fair that people that have supported tyt over the years are being left out.
This is the 2nd worst deal ever, trump would say.
TYT “you do you boo”. It’s mostly fake outrage from salty fake members that are really right wingers. Especially zero_divisor and Xenophrenia who keep spamming the comment section. Wish there was a unfollow/block to weed out fake members.
HAHAHAHAHA … I’m a socialist sweetie … who the fuck are you – an employee tasked with swatting the truth tellers pointing out how TYT is shivving it’s members? …
fake members are the one’s who refuse to lick Cenk’s balls the way you are? is that it? if you don’t bow and take it in the ass like a good little member – you must be fake – is that it? seriously?
no – real members know when they’re being screwed – shills and comment police are the the fake members shaming and swatting anyone that doesn’t bend over as expected – just as YOU’RE doing my dear …
@xenophrenia, you need a psychiatrist. You sound like a legit crazy person.
THIS FUCKING GUY NEEDS BOOTED THE FUCK OFF THE COMMENTS XENOFOBIA OR WHATEVER – BLATANTLY TROLLING FELLOW MEMBERS.
Hmm. Never been called a “right-winger” before. What exactly makes my membership “fake?”
Painful to watch this complete sell out. It’s like Cenk said here you go take my banana sir.
look at all the fanboi’s and sycophants bowing to their lovelies …
they’re not fucking you over
they’re not selling your content to the highest bidder for the sake of status
they’re not giving MEMBERS ONLY content to strangers who don’t care about TYT
they’re not letting YouTube/Google profit off of your years of loyalty
…………
wasn’t it great when the Post Game was a one to one relationship of the crew with the loyal members that helped them stay afloat?
isn’t it gross that now what you are watching is a staged and sculpted – timed and fitted set of ‘stories’ that sound all folksy for the benefit of strangers who don’t give two fucks who these people are – have NO skin in the game for their success – with no loyalty … no real relationship … just YouTube TV profiting off the years of loyalty members gave Cenk and Ana to sit here and listen to them tell you all you care about is swearing …
love Ana saying ‘no one tells me what to say’ after listening to them rip apart MSM pundits THAT SAY THE SAME THING … but she loves you so you know she means it … right? RIGHT?????
go back to 2013/2014 and listen to 10 PG’s in a row – then come back here and listen to this … tell me they aren’t lying through their fucking teeth with corporate speak here ;-) …
I get that TYT doesn’t really need us anymore to stay in business. But, since member money kept them in business for years it might have been nice for them to keep at least 1 show exclusive to members. Oh well, welcome to Trump’s America.
Wow there’s a lot of salt in the comments.
Personally I don’t really care. I wish TYT the best of luck with YTTV and I wish that I could watch the new shows (I’m already subbed to John’s Damage Report channel on YouTube though. I’m also in Europe.). I also wish there would still be more members exclusive content, as it is important for community building which is very important for digital media.
My only concern is that Google (YouTube) have no fucking idea what they are doing with most things. How many services have they launched only to cancel shortly afterwards, or kept them alive by force despite the fact that they never take off? Or launched a similar useless service while the first one is still in service (and barely being used)? Google absolutely sucks when it comes to figuring out what people want. So based on experience I think YTTV isn’t going anywhere.
TYT has had success partly by being among the first on new platforms, and I do wish TYT would look into other platforms such ass DTube (a decentralized video service based on the blockchain) that is more different than the current ones and that might be more interesting for the future. Don’t get comfortable, TYT, there are always brand new technologies out there to be taken advantage of that might also get you exposed to brand new audiences. YTTV is not one of them.
Agree wholeheartedly. Glad to see them expand and looking forward to seeing the clips come down from the YTTV to see Ana, John and Brett in their solo shows and happy that the content I already pay for isn’t being cleaved. I agree with Ana as well on the cursing. I’m all for authenticity and love when they do react with honest outbursts but really respect the new found restraint which I believe has added focus to everyone on board making solid arguments. Wishing them all the best of luck and looking forward to the growth of the network.
This makes sense, I want you to spread the message and hopefully generate more members via YouTube TV. For future reference though, don’t awkwardly dance around the question like you did in Hour 1. Obvs you needed more time to explain so just say that, “Thanks for the tweet, we’ll talk it in the PG”. How you addressed it though was unclear and it came off like you were hiding something. Be upfront with us, that’s why we’re here.
Interesting and provocative show. A few comments .
About cursing: Ana-I’m glad you went back and watched episodes when you did a lot of it. I do NOT fucking love it. I really appreciate and agree with your comments about when you watched yourself — really on target as so often your comments are.
Why? It is a sign of mental LAZINESS. OK to put a little Tabasco in the soup to add some perkiness. Put 1 cup in –and it’s awful–and all the other flavors are wiped out by the fire. Lazy and tiring. It says only “I’M PISSED OFF.” OK I get that– but I want to hear WHY. That takes a lot more commitment and insight and energy.
Frankly–when Jimmy Dore rants on– it’s often–if not usually– just laziness–it’s repetitive- it seems like his brain is so overloaded that he cannot think or explain anymore WHY he is so pissed off. It fills time and mental space. It would be accurate to say it BORES me –it doesn’t particularly offend me. It often says “I have no good arguments.” Jimmy’s at his best when he’s not doing it.
I wish that it were NOT prohibited by some external rule–but then voluntarily not indulged in, or only very sparingly by the commentators.
I have no idea why people like it so much. I guess they do because then they feel like it makes them feel that we’re all on the same team. Not my reaction.
Wow. You totally encapsulated my complex swirl of feelings on watching Jimmy’s show. I love it but can only take so much and him circling the point with bombast is still circling. He is a comedian and an excellent one at that and I know it’s probably hard not to demagogue when what’s happening in the wide world of hypocrisy is driving him and the rest of us frothy. Thanks for your comment and looking forward to see all these shows grow and take a deeper shape.
oh please – Ana love cursing … she still was catching herself long after they banned it … she’s LYING TO YOU
but you don’t care about how you’re being shivved in this deal …
you haven’t read any of the comments have you – I’ve gone into great detail why the fact that they are handing ALL OF THEIR MEMBER ONLY CONTENT OVER TO YOUTUBE BUT EXPECTING US TO PAY $40 (WHEN MOST STILL CAN’T ACCESS IT IN SOME STATES AND OUTSIDE THE US) … you see YouTube TV gets the $40 – the content you paid loyally for years to keep TYT afloat is now given to Google for THEIR profit margin … you are being sold … remember:
IF YOU’RE NOT AT THE TABLE – YOU’RE ON THE MENU
AND YOU’VE JUST BEEN SERVED AS THE MAIN COURSE
Please.
Ana is not lying. I appreciate that she can honestly change her mind. That is a virtue, not a weakness. She also made a pretty strong statement that she won’t be compromised. Hopefully when the temptation comes, which almost certainly will eventually happen, she will stay loyal to her conscience. I think she will.
She didn’t change her mind on her own though. It wasn’t until TYT was expanding to new platforms that don’t allow swearing that she changed her mind. That’s not a coincidence.
What I understood Cenk to say …
As a member (since 2006), I won’t see anything gone from what I have today. That is … I can continue to watch current shows (TYT Main, Old School, Aggressive Progressive, etc) live or via downloaded video or audio. What I will also see are clips from the new shows.
Is that correct?
I DO understand the $40/month issue. I personally cannot drop the cable (there are other people in the house!). So, that’s $40 in addition to cable, not instead of cable. This “a la cart” may be the model of the future, but I think the current price point could easily exceed my cable bill (YouTubeTV + HBO + Showtime + …).
The concern about “selling out” will be confirmed or not in the future, I guess.
yeah you’re right, nothing changing for us, we just actually get clips of the new shows too
Do what you think is best, guys, but I’m not sure I’m willing to continue my membership. We are about to cut the cable cord and I think we could do YTTV and retain access to many channels we currently watch for a solid $60/m savings. I could make that $70 by cancelling my membership since there is literally no exclusivity left.
I get wider audiences, and I definitely revenue streams. I assume the agreement gives them more than enough to cover the people who are going to cancel their memberships. Maybe it’s not right, but I do genuinely feel disappointed by this. I’m disappointed that PG and Old School are up for grabs now. I will be downright shocked if they don’t change – there was an intimacy to them before because they were members only that will be eliminated. It’s a shame.
Cursing/not cursing, what the fuck ever. Again, do what you think is best, but the cursing and the passion behind it (it wasn’t just unnecessary vulgarity – it was emphasis added passion) was one of the things that drew me in. I know that’s not universal, but I have missed it.
I also miss the cursing. It was exactly what you described it as – emphasis and passion. When the hosts discussed truly awful stories, the cursing helped vent their frustration. I never felt like it was too much. Just made it sound more real and down to earth.
So now the YouTubeTV subscribers get access to all the TYT Members Only content. So this really is a “Fuck you” to Members who can’t afford $40/month on top of Internet bills AND membership. I’m seriously considering cancelling because I can still get Aggressive Progressive content on Jimmy Dore and Kyle Kulinski’s FREE YouTube channels. TYT should absolutely provide the new content to its members, who the network is so fond of thanking for “making all of this possible.”
I don’t think that TYT will see a cult following on the YTTV premium shows like they do with their current shows. I can’t justify paying an additional $40 a month to get more shows (which is unfortunate because I really do want to watch the new content). So who will those shows be marketed towards — the YTTV subscribers who just stumble on the channel? I’m sure that some members will pay for the YTTV to watch TYT over there, but many will probably agree that $50 a month to watch TYT is way too much (I don’t even spend that much on Gas each month).
Overall I feel pretty let down for the same reason that others have voiced. It doesn’t feel exclusive any more, and that’s kind of hurtful. Having things live vs. not live isn’t really a big difference as I never watch things live anyways. Also, it’s a little scary: will they continue to come up with new, exciting member exclusives? Or will we become simply lower tier subscribers as they keep putting more and more new shows out on YTTV?
Youtube, etc. is about authenticity. This is not authentic. I have a feeling that this will stick and their content will forever change..more than now.
Censorship is a slippery slope…I will be watching….
So Cenk is this partnership really about your ego, saying you have to beat the networks?
Or is this partnership trying to force the networks to change since you are now on a level playing field?
Or is this partnership trying to force political change?
The post game being put on youtube tv is disappointing.
I’m confuse by the way Cenk is excited to see if they can beat out the other news networks in ratings on the platform. Ummm…. OF COOOOURSE TYT will beat them on this platform, duh. The majority of MSNBC, CNN, and especially FOX News viewers are older and are not as likely to sign up for YTTV in the first place. TV has always been in Cenk’s bones and it’s always been on a pedestal, despite his attitude of “TV is dead- the internet is the future” after Current TV shut down. Their content has already changed- some for the good, some for the less than good. Comparing content from this past week with content in 2014- even in 2016, there is a difference. Change is inevitable, but change can either be positive or negative. I’m getting to a point where I don’t really recognize TYT for the show I first began watching, which, fine- whatever- that’s what they want- but I miss the old school days more and more.
Congratulations on YouTube TV channel wishing you much success. Would have liked to see more shows featuring the TYT investigative reporters (Ryan Grimm with Eric Byler/David Sirota/Emma Vigeland) but glad to see Nomiki and TYT Interviews getting onto the platform. My only concern for TYT is if the main objective for YouTube is to attract 18-35 year old demographic, $40 per month price point may effect subscriptions/views. Also would be great to see the new iphone app formatted and added to a Roku platform in the future.
I am so glad that you (Cenk and Ana) are finally realizing that cursing isn’t necessary. You sound so much more intelligent and have so much more power when you get your point across without foul language. Remember how powerful Obama’s speeches were, both Barack and Michelle, and they never use curse words. You both come across as much more intelligent when you don’t. Cursing indicates to me that a person is lazy and doesn’t have a proper master of language.
yes, your master of language – says no “cursing” —- mine says authenticity and freedom of speech overrides
fear of bodily functions.
Eyeroll.
Now i personally rarely swear, but there is research suggesting that people who swear alot is a sign of intelligence. To be honest when it comes to swearing its one of the least offensive things out there, people dying from starvation, rape, homeless, bombing civilians by mistake, cops Killing innocent people, mass shootings, sex harassment.etc these are terrible things. Swearing is down to perception
Here’s what I say to that: shit, piss, cunt, cocksucker, motherfucker, and tits.
@Kathy Sorry Kathy, that’s bullshit. Oops I cussed. It happens.
There are times ESPECIALLY now in this madhouse of events when if you DON’T cuss I have to wonder what the hell is wrong with you & your sense of right & wrong.
This is the NEUTERING of The Young Turks.
Çenk will not become Atatürk with moves like this.
The Young Turks won’t make it out of The Revolution in proper fashion capitulating to “decorum” & “professionalism” for the dainty delicate pearl-clutchers.
This is EXACTLY how they tame Revolutionaries. People who seek to Fight The Power & Fight The System.
Before you know it Cenk won’t even be wearing T-shirts under his jacket anymore & will look towards to tailored suit & tie with expensive cufflinks.
I shoulda KNOWN something was wrong when Cenk dressed like this when he announced the hiring of Naomi LaChance at that Washington D.C. banquet.
https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/598a005e4fc3c01d008b6b4e-750-562.jpg
That suit & tie with his glasses on. Almost as if it was his official welcoming into the Establishment.
Jesse Jackson used to wear daishikis with his giant Afro in the early 1970s.
By the 1980s, Jesse’s out here wearing 3-piece suits with ties on & shortened hair.
What’s next? Cenk putting down a doily before he gently does an elbow drop on the table?
What? Cenk taking a feather duster to the spot before he delicately places his fist on the table?
What else? Ana saying euphemistic curses like “Fudge!” “Shoot!” “Darn it!”?
What? Ana composing herself to make a neutrally stern face when the moment demands full outrage?
Get outta here with that bullshit!
This place is supposed to be RAW!! It’s supposed to be REAL!!
AUTHENTIC! EARNEST! GENUINE! HEARTFELT! PASSIONATE! STRONG!
Adults cuss. So why in the hell are so many adults’ ears so delicate & dainty that they can’t stand a few cuss words? ESPECIALLY in the year 2018 for God’s sake! This ain’t 1950 anymore.
Kids heard all this & worse before they’re 10 nowadays!
Naw, I ain’t down with this subdued, controlled, neutered, compromised TYT.
They keep this crap up & there won’t be any NEED to watch them over the CNNs of the world.
In other words, Kathy…FUCK THIS SHIT!!
MOTHERFUCK THIS BULLSHIT!! GODDAMN!!
Did I fill my cuss quota for you?
John Lucas
Can’t wait to hear @jimmy_dore ‘s view on this.
@Dan_1200RT Jimmy won’t talk about this because they’re his friends.
With EVERY media personality & media organization, you gotta check the spot that they WON’T be upfront with.
Jimmy is very good on most things but on the subject of TYT’s direction, don’t expect much.
The strain caused by the TYT Political Split is wearing them down bad enough.
Jimmy’s trying to honor their legacy together while separating from some of their dubious decisions.
It’s a high-wire act I wouldn’t wish on anybody decent.
Hard to maintain that balance when it’s obvious who’s still keeping it real 100% & who’s dropping down on the real rate.
I would love to hear his uncensored views on this insanity but it’s pretty much guaranteed that Jimmy will be mute on this subject. He HAS to or else there will be more friction than there already is.
John Lucas
Everyone on here flipping out needs to calm down. Nothing is changing. Members still get all the same shows they get now, plus clips of the new shows. You don’t have to sign up for YouTube TV to get the shows you’re already getting. You’ve gotta understand why they’re doing this. As much as we all would like to believe, the corporate media isn’t dead yet. They’re still the kings and mindless voters still get their info from those news channels. If we’re going to win these elections then places like TYT need to get on equal footing (as much as possible) with the big 3 news channels. TYT doesn’t want to be a little underground news company. They want to compete with the corporate media and we need that to happen if we ever want progressives to start winning more elections. Right now TYT is preaching to the choir. They need to get their message out to the largest audience possible so they can wake up the voters who are still voting for the corporate shills.
You may be right. However they are being censored by not being allowed to swear. If Ana really thought swearing was not a great way to get your point across, why did she not change her view until they had to censor their swearing?
She was swearing until they had to tell her no. Not authentic.
Right. And she doesn’t really think much of her audience if she thinks she can claim that she just changed her mind on her own and no one is going to question that.
EVERYTHING is changing my dear – the content that YOU pay for is not being offered FOR FREE to people that subscribe to YouTube Tv – most of them have no fucking idea what TYT is … it will just be another show like any other show … problem is – it USED TO BE MEMBERS ONLY CONTENT THAT MEMBERS PAID FOR AND TYT DID AS A THANK YOU FOR YEARS OF LOYALTY … and now it’s being cut up and handed to YouTube/Google for THEM TO PROFIT OFF OF
TYT isn’t getting any of that $40 … YOUTUBE IS …
you’re being screwed and apparently don’t know it ;-) … amazing
There was a time when you didn’t know what TYT was. I really don’t understand your seething hatred towards people who didn’t know about TYT finding out about it. It’s getting the message out and that’s good. Also, they are not getting it “for free” they’re paying $40/month for it. Lastly, TYT is most certainly getting a part of that $40. That’s like saying FX, AMC, TNT and all the other stations on TV aren’t getting any of the subscriber money, that’s ludicrous thinking! It may not be direct, but through advertisers (who are there because content is there which is there because YTTV is there), they most definitely are getting paid for the content they are producing.
THIS FUCKING GUY
Except that now the YouTubeTV clients get access to all the TYT Members Only content. So it really is kinda a “Fuck you” to Members who can’t afford $40/month on top of Internet bills AND membership.
I don’t know if you people aren’t listening or honestly are not understanding. Cenk and Ana just said that not all of the members only content will be on YTTV. Not only will there still be some member exclusives here but YTTV does not get anything, except the main show, live.
So all we get is Aggressive Progressives? As I said in another comment: that content is basically already available for free on Jimmy’s own show.
Friday PG’s & member ‘specials’ like election coverage … ALL Post Game’s Mon-Thur will be put on YouTube TV (at leas for the next few months according to Matt Atchity in the Member Update posted above somewhere)
you will also get the ‘live’ feed that the YouTube channel will not of the members only content …
YOU ARE NOT GETTING MOST MEMBER CONTENT EXCLUSIVELY – most ‘member content’ is going to be GIVEN to those who pay GOOGLE $40 … YOU won’t get ANY of the new content unless you pay GOOGLE $40 (except clips)
thank you for talking sense. Some people are being ridiculous
My only issue is that YouTubeTV isn’t available in Canada (my country) and most countries outside the US. So if I wanted to pay for YouTubeTV to access the new shows (and I would), I can’t.
But maybe it’s for the best. I’m more busy now with my own channel so I can’t fit in 3 more daily TYT shows anyways.
Love Love Love your channel! Thank you :)
Thanks!
@daviddoel Hey The Rational National!
I dig your stuff, man. You’re really growing on me as a news commentary resource.
Been subscribed to your channel for a little while now & am enjoying your videos.
I’m gonna HAVE to enjoy videos like yours & other progressive outlets because TYT is falling off BAD!
Been following TYT since around 2008 & these guys are CHANGING, man. And not in a good way either.
They’re being co-opted by the Establishment & neutered as a resonant force.
Don’t let it happen to you, David. That’ll make me even more sad.
John Lucas
P.S.: Always love that Bernie picture you have at the end of your videos. It’s inspiring.
I’m a bit confused, will we still have the normal member shows on here? Or is everything moving to youtube TV that we then have to pay extra for?
From what I understand, everything that is currently on this site, will stay on this site. YouTube TV will have everything here as well as the new content.
Ah okay, why are people getting angry tho? They’ll still have all the same stuff, if you want more, you can go to youtube tv…….. i don’t see the problem
because all of the content that was MEMBERS ONLY – MADE BY TYT AS A THANK YOU FOR MEMBER LOYALTY is being handed over to YouTube for YouTube TO PROFIT OFF OF
they are fucking members for their own gain … this content is no longer FOR you … you just get it first and if you want to see what all your years of loyalty helped build – SHIT OUT AN EXTRA $40 because you are no longer worth their loyalty … you see – you’re loyal them but they’ve just stuck a shiv in you so they can feel more legitimate when they talk to their establishment media counterparts …
but if you’re okay being used – that’s fine – most of us ARE NOT
They are getting angry because it’s fake outrage. They are salty right wingers.
why would a right winger be salty about TYT fucking it’s members … I’d more think they’d be the ones encouraging TYT to keep doing so … funny – how many right wing socialists do you know – look up Xenophrenia on Google … right wing ;-) … that’s funny sweetie
I would love to see the 3 new shows by John, Ana, and Brett, but I like so many people on here can’t afford another $40 on top of my cable bill, and my TYT membership. So, yes, it’s disappointing. And I have to agree, it did feel like like a small slap in the face for our long time loyalty (2005 for me). But, hey, at least we get the “clip of the day”…………..just like everyone else.
So now the YouTubeTV subscribers get access to all the TYT Members Only content. So this really is a “Fuck you” to Members who can’t afford $40/month on top of Internet bills AND membership.
The only thing that really bothers me about this is the post game going on Youtube TV as well. In my view the post game has always been what’s most special about being a member, a place where the hosts can let their guard down a bit becuase they know that now the audience is down to their most core supporters. I’m a little worried about the effect that having the post game opened up to more random people will have on it. I think the post game probably would be better left as member’s only both as something special for us, and to protect the integrity of it so it keeps feeling more personal.
I remember one post game where a host was hesitating on opening up and Ana told them, don’t worry it’s members only, and our members are great. I am also worried Cenk will say less of his buffoonish things on post game if he’s worried about getting attacked for it. I think it’ll happen once. Someone alt-right guy who hate watches on youtubetv will take a comment out of context and blog about it and then post games will be forever changed.
BTW, while Cenk explained this, I took a drink every time he said “right.” Now I have liver disease.
I don’t give a fig what they do, as long as Hours 1/2, Post Game, and Nerd Alert are still available here.
you’re okay with people who never heard of TYT getting all the stuff YOU paid for and they made AS A THANK YOU for your loyalty is now solely for the profit of YouTube TV? TYT doesn’t see ANY of the $40 … they are paying for a spot on a ‘cable’ channel that happens to be on the internet
TYT used to criticize 24 hour news shows for ruining new – now they’re doing a 24 hour news channel – which will ruin them like it did everyone else – they are not as special or as different as they think they are … hell they’ve already changed their format for the sake of their new corporate masters
why do you think the never really covered how YouTube is fucking over independent media? because THEY WERE MAKING A DEAL WITH THEM AND DIDN’T WANT TO STEP ON THEIR TOES – even when they did cover it Cenk made excuses for YouTube … they’ve sold you down the river so Cenk can compete with CNN … now he’s shitting on members who question this choice by telling them – “hey – it’s cheaper then the $200 cable we have here in LA” …
Yeah, couldn’t give a rip what other people are getting, as long as I get what I want. That’s all that matters.
I really don’t get where some of my fellow members are coming from on this. Nothing about our membership has changed. If TYT wants to offer another product on another platform, good for them. We are paying exactly the same as before, so it requires a real sense of entitlement to expect hours more content every day without paying for it. They will be offering clips of theze shows for members. The only thing that bothers me is the cursing thing in the main show. If they’re doing a linear stream there should be a way for them to stream it on delay so the swearing can be bleeped. But otherwise this does not affect members.
YES IT HAS – the content you paid for that was MEMBERS ONLY – is being handed to YouTube TV FOR THEM TO PROFIT OFF OF – CONTENT YOU PAID FOR IS NOW MAKING MONEY FOR TYT’S CORPORATE MASTERS WITHOUT YOUR PERMISSION … you are no longer who they answer to … you are now just a stooge that can’t understand that you’re being sold out ….
I wish you all the best with this expansion. As a European member I’m left in front of the gates anyways. We can’t even watch John’s documentary about the Arctic. So go for it and may you smash the establishment.
You can and it’s really easy. Just read this:
https://gizmodo.com/5713626/how-to-watch-streaming-us-programming-abroad
My boyfriend got one of the vpn apps from the App Store and we watched it on iPad. We also have used it while traveling to access content on our Netflix. Works perfect!
As a German I can’t even subscribe to YTTV. Since they don’t officially offer their service in Europe, you are not allowed to subscribe. Only as a US citizen can you use this workaround.
which means that not only do you have to pay $40 but you also have to pay for a VPN (and many services are starting to block them due to content providers complaining about leeches from other countries – their words not mine) … you also often have to get a US credit card (not something most can do) …
nice try though
Cenk, as a Hillary Clinton supporter, I strongly advise you never to say the words “WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKES?!” ever again – seriously dude, trust me!
I love TYT and will keep supporting them but you really have to make it up to us the members YOU should create a TYT members only program That youtube cant get
Agreed. This is a giant “Fuck you” to members.
Donkey sex? What u talking ’bout. That get me in trouble. Animals are innocent.
Let’s see how this turns out. I’m not sold.
I understand where^^thesefolks are coming from…. and at first i just thought they were trolling TYT for this new platform. But as i continued to read the comments thinking, “geez, these members are getting too worked up over this, i feel like im reading the comments from maga dudes whove nothing better to do than buy a tyt membership to troll other members”. And suddenly i realized something: what did i think was going to happen? TYT remains the exact same until the world ends or we form a perfect society where TYT is no longer needed? of course not. as with all things, the only constant is change. TYT must change at some point, AND THATS OK!! i was reminded of some youtube clip i saw when Cenk was on Joe rogans show(i think, I might be wrong) where Cenk says something to the effect of how he was the next generation of news source that called out the corporate media, that the people responded so well to, that actually told truth and represented the news that the average, logical,reasonable, intelligent person would want to know about and support; the basis of TYT success. But that one day that might not be the case anymore, and that then there will be atime that the new generation of news outlet-with all the ideals and unforgiving determination to provide truth to themasses, just as Cenk and TYT had when it started- to rise up, carried by the support of the common man and his thirst for truth and justice….until the next generation and so forth etc. i am just grateful to TYT for the standards and progress they helped to realize, and hope that theywill have inspired a new and better generation of news sources. they did their part, now they want to make some more money and expand, which is fine with me…
Phil,
I was feeling the same way. I already cut the cord, so I’m not about pay Google for “programming”. I’ll happily pay my $10 and get my taste of the new content. As long as we, as members, keep the lights on, TYT maintains editorial control.
Cenk, more power to ya Haas.
Who the hell uses Youtube TV? Not happening. Have to split my TYT $ to Kyle Kulinsky & Majority Report & Jimmy Dore, I guess.
you know – there’s something I don’t understand … this has been so easy to shred apart and expose it for the blatant Cenk ego shit that it is … this is ALL about his competing with CNN and MSNBC and the ire he feels when he’s not seen as legitimate when he talks to people in D.C. … how is that they didn’t see what a fiasco this would be? they don’t know their members? they didn’t know that we’d see the wolf under the sheep skin? that we wouldn’t eviscerate this sham in short order?
did anyone try to tell you guys what a fucking mistake this was if you plan on having any real integrity left? of course – your fanboi’s and sycophants will still lick your balls Cenk … they’ve already planted their blind allegiance with whatever folly you lead them into … even if you are fucking them over … but didn’t ANYONE see this? didn’t ANYONE know that your members would see through this? ANYONE?
What’s wrong with competing, Xenophrenia? I hope he does crush them.
he’s fucking the members that helped him build this network to do it … he’s handing over everything they paid for for YouTube to profit off of and making new content FOR THEM – fuck the years of loyalty members have given – fuck the money all paid to build the new studio – he’s handing it to YouTube for THEM to profit off of …
yeah – I wish he’d crush MSM too – instead he’s becoming it
THIS FUCKING GUY XENOPHELIA –
Hey guys: Shit, Piss, Mother Fucker, Cock Sucker, Tits, Ass etc. from George Carlin’s rant about being controlled is upon US members now!!Cenk, Get your head out of your greedy big ass and remember what got you to where you’re at! High school grad, Joe…P.S… Money out of politics and money out of US members!!! Check out the Carlin bit on (you guessed it… YouTube!)… Much Love…LOL!!!
YOU ARE BEING SCREWED AND CENK IS TRYING TO CONVINCE YOU TO LIKE IT … ;-)
let me spell this out for you so you fanboi’s understand just how you are being screwed over …
Members Only content will now be put on YouTube TV – content YOU helped pay for and was put on this website as a thank you for your support is now going to be cut up and put up so YOUTUBE CAN PROFIT OFF OF IT …
but … if you want to see the new content – YOU WILL HAVE TO SHIT OUT AN EXTRA $40 … otherwise all you peasants will get are clips … because what you have done for them for years is now no longer valuable (but Ana swears she still loves you) … she also claims that NO ONE TELLS HER WHAT TO SAY … which is what they attack MSM media for saying right? she expects us to swallow this knowing what a lie it is?
someone on the YouTube video pointed out that TYT likes to point out how 24 hour cable news has totally fucked up news … so what are they doing? making a 24 hour cable news channel … because that won’t change how they do things … oh wait … it already has … they’re telling you this is a good thing while the stick the shiv in your back with a smile …
remember – Ana loves you … don’t mind that she’s shitting you peeps … she’s just being boo ;-)
THIS FUCKING GUY XENOPHELIA
Hate to say it but I’m strongly considering taking away my monthly ten and sending it to MR… prefer to watch Michael Brooks giggling hysterically and speaking freely… rather than the pro-corporate propaganda that is sure to start coming out of TYT…
I don’t want to… but as another user said, it seems that TYT doesn’t really need funding from members anymore. The organization took what it needed from us and moved on.
I’m not sure if I’m understanding this correctly so if anyone can confirm or correct me that would be much appreciated… the shows that were for members only, behind the $10 /month paywall, will now be broadcast on YouTube TV (with the exception of Aggressive Progressive… I wonder why….). The new shows, Old School, and the Post Games will be available only to subscribers of YTTV for $40/month, and us members will get a clip of the shows each day. Similar to the way clips of Aggressive Progressive episodes are posted to the public YouTube channel, giving members clips of the new shows is meant to entice us to sign up and pay (if it’s even available in our area) for the service to get access to the full content.
Here’s why I feel pretty fucking pissed off and why I’m likely going to cancel my membership and finally become a member of the MajorityReport: Old School and the Post Games were for members, and while TYT is not actually taking away content from the members, they are taking away the exclusivity that made being a member feel like being a part of a family.
I hope TYT Network continues to do the good work they’ve been doing for many years and I wish them the best, but I’m ready to put what money I can afford to spend behind a company who doesn’t have so many sources of revenue .
No, members still get everything we always do, old school, post game etc. they’re also putting this on youtube tv with extra stuff
No, what? That’s what I said. You’re confirming what I said. The point was members no longer get exclusive content because now it will also be available on YouTube TV.
I understand your grievances, but there are two major differences:
1. On the website, we can watch it on demand. You have to watch it live on Youtube TV, but not on demand.
2. Membership is much cheaper. Membership is $10 per month, while youtube TV is $40 per month. The only downside to this is that we don’t get the extra content included with youtube TV’s $40 (Damage report and Nofilter).
….I understand all of that, with the exception of the only downside. Another member, doingitup, said this on the post (in Communications) by Matt Atchity and I appreciated how they put it,
“The Post Game and Old School are two shows that create a private link where TYT hosts can be more open, intimate, and honest with members. It’s what made membership feel like a relationship and a family, and selling those two shows out to the YouTube TV audience feels pretty shitty and leaves membership feeling rather useless and deflated. Things change relationally, so changing who has access to previously members only content is, by proxy, changing our relationship to that content too, even if our access hasn’t explicitly changed. Making Post Games and Old School members only isn’t about wanting/needing more hours of content to fill the day, or those being member’s favorite shows, it’s about making good on that supposed relationship and returning the intimacy to where it belongs.”
I’d imagine that members who are not bothered by or concerned with any of the changes have already seen many other members make similar statements so my response is most likely pointless. Maybe not. It doesn’t matter, all that matters is how TYT navigates the expansion.
That’s an interesting point of view. I don’t really care as long as Post Game and Old School stay the same, and I have a feeling that they will. As time goes on, we can make that decision.
But I think of it as a more expensive membership. However, I do see where you’re coming from.
Sidenote: Do you know if they’re adding The point and Damage Report on the website?
From what Atchity said in his post about this, #NoFilter and Damage Report will not be added to this website as they are exclusively for the new platform.
I agree that the Post Games and Old School won’t change much from what they are today, but they’ve already changed from what they were a year ago. These shows, particularly the Friday PG, were a place where TYT could and would talk inside baseball for the members. As Dave said himself a month or two ago on a FPG, they can’t do much of that anymore. And it sucks. I’m 97.8% sure that if the shows remained for our eyes only Cenk would have talked more openly (even if just a bit more) about everything on the Monday PG following the Friday 1st hour that’s now up to 253 comments. I’ve typed and deleted many examples of how things had been shared or explained but my point ultimately is, they can’t be as open as they once were because now anyone with YouTubeTV and YouTube execs may be watching.
Didn’t they say that they were going to post one clip a day for members?
Friday post games are still for members only, and I just found out that all post games will be members only in a few months.
While I disagree that this will ruin Old School, I do understand why you’d think that and respect that point of view. We’ll just have to wait and see whether or not the content of member only shows change.
By the way, I joined in January, so you would probably consider me to be a newer member. As a result, Old School and Post games don’t seem to have changed much for me (other than the fact that Post games are now almost always 22 minutes).
Both exciting and scary times at TYT. Super glad to have TYT expand its audience. I own multiple TYT shirts and proudly rep the company because I believe your news coverage provides valuable perspective and insight. In the spirit of keeping it real though, I find myself torn between my happiness that TYT is expanding, my apprehension about censorship, and the feeling of being kinda cast-off or left behind as a member.
To start, I too am troubled by the ‘no cursing on live shows’ policy, and would prefer the hosts speak exactly how they would like without any outside influence. To be clear, the lack of cursing is not the issue. What it represents is the issue: a willingness to make concessions to please advertisers. Even if relatively inert, the very act of that concession is a hard pill to swallow and will/should bring some backlash from us. I am sure this change is a savvy business move, and, in the scheme of things, probably seems like a small, meaningless concession; and maybe it is. But it certainly makes me uncomfortable as a member who supports TYT both because of their separation from corporate sponsorship, and as a way to keep them free from the necessity of that corporate sponsorship.
Further, I am worried about the very real threat of self-censorship. My concern is not so much that some cigar puffing corporate overlord calls up and dictates content. I am worried about the insidiousness with which self-censorship takes place, the small, day to day decisions, the angles to take on a story etc. Say there is a choice between covering a story about how shitty YouTube or Google is as company, versus an equally interesting story about how shitty some other, non-affiliated company is, or some other important news, and there is only time for one story; it makes perfect business sense to cover the story that will in no way harm your relationship to the parent company/sponsor. In this way, it is easy to see the practical, seemingly small decisions that, in aggregate, lead to the toothless reporting of corporate media. I’m just not sure why TYT would want to change the business model and step in that direction. I thought the members were the firewall that made it so TYT does not have to rely on appeasing any corporate sponsors and not even worry about these types of conflicts at all? That trust that TYT has because of their separation from mainstream news media is rare and hard-fought and very hard to win back.
Beyond the potential impact on story selection, there is also danger in how you cover the story. In an instance that is both funny and disheartening, try to imagine the juxtaposition of changing channels (how long has it been since I actually did this lol) from, say, Anderson Cooper, looking svelte and calm, to old school Cenk (or current day Jimmy) pounding the table and unmercifully laying into the corporate media at the top of their lungs? It really is difficult to imagine, and that difference means the world to most TYT fans. It is what sets TYT apart. Would Cenk’s famous rant against Michael Shure and mainstream media (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HT5d4ZuknrQ) be the same if we bleeped out every time he said “God damn” and “they suck balls”? Could/would he even do that rant today, given this new deal? I suspect not, which is extremely disheartening, and I really, really hope I am wrong. Maybe Cenk/TYT found some crazy backdoor where they will be able to maintain that level of passion and truth-telling, while also getting the big money from corporate sponsors. I guess we will see. I, for one, hope that perspective and level of passion is always part of TYT, even if advertisers don’t like it, and I hope that Cenk and TYT have some mechanism in place that grounds the decisions they are making and checks the amount of appeasement to the corporate/advertiser friendly world. I know Cenk and TYT understand this stuff too, so again, please please be aware of the corrosive, corrupting influence of advertisers and parent companies!
I’ve been around awhile–I’m Bernie’s age. I really hope you’re wrong! I REALLY REALLY hope you’re wrong! I hope Cenk is right.
I sense Ana is concerned too. She is trying her best to see that it’s OK. I sense she is not saying ALL of what she really thinks?
But he MONEY gets really seductive. The POWER gets really seductive. The FAME gets really seductive.
Put yourself too near the beast and you will eventually get eaten.
I wish I could cite just one exception that I’ve observed:. Maybe Bernie? or Elizabeth Warren?
— I’m not sure where I am with all this. I REALLY hope it’s OK.
Oh jeezz, you’re right. The classic clip of Cenk ranting/ the cursing at Michael Shure/ mainstream media would not exist in the new YouTube format. I love that clip. Now I AM depressed and feeling cheated.
Well-articulated Doingitup……..”the insidiousness of self-censorship ….” and for advertisers! Hard to believe our Cenk agreed to that considering how he does love his rants. Well, TYT, I’ve still got the $200 worth of your t-shirts. Maybe I can sell them at a discount to the new favored fans? :0)
Excellent comment.
@hosam
Member content / special events / 2nd page
thank you!
Has anyone been able to see the post-town-hall-analysis with Cenk/Maz/Ana? They kept saying its available for members but its no where in sight.
Yoo: https://tytnetwork.com/2018/05/14/breaking-the-iran-deal/
Watched this again and I hope Cenk can still say USA Today sucks balls! The swearing did give the show an edge. I hate when people in shows stop and ask if they can say words. like they are being really edgy.
@Tmcsorley The word you are looking for is “Neutered”.
They bought these guys off, man.
They saw how resonant TYT was getting & infiltrated them with a deal to soften their resilience.
Grandpa Cenk is showing HARD right now.
He took Guile’s advice & went home to be a Family Man.
Cenk now is worried about Prometheus, Joy, & Wendy & is not as willing to take any chances like he used to when he was simply Mr. Jamaica.
Not JUST him but also members of the staff who are losing the YOUNG in Young Turks.
Ana will be 32 this year which is still young but for women is a whole different thing since they start thinking more about stability & security. Biology & all that. Hard to escape.
Members of the Staff either want to start families or eat more than the ramen noodles they have been munching on for so long.
Fighting The Power, Fighting The System keeps you poor & most people ain’t willing to fight it that long or at least that strong.
So they’re giving way to the Big Money Powers who want to moderate them like they have done to each & every subversive movement that challenges them & is not directly destroyed.
Cenk is 48 years old & it’s showing.
Steve Oh is tired of being Steve the Audio Guy.
He dropped out of being a prosecutor to join this business opportunity from his buddy Cenk.
Steve is more focused on becoming the mainstream & making deals than outright fighting the whole system.
They’re all getting old & getting tired of fighting. They’re wearing out.
Jimmy still has some fight left in him but that’s probably because the only child him & Stef the Miserable Liberal carry is a canine one (Brownie). Dogs are more self-reliant than Kids.
Plus his profession as a standup/sitdown nightclub comedian makes him fully aware of the gig economy & how on-the-edge that type of lifestyle can be. As a result of all that Jimmy can still take chances.
He has less overhead & less to support & prop up.
Asking if you say a cuss word. GOD! Hahahaha! What the hell happened to this place?
They had so much promise after 2016. WASTED!
John Lucas
I’m confused – didn’t they say that for TYT members, the website/app will have VOD for all the new shows? Did I get it wrong…? Why you all so butthurt? Legit, correct me if I heard it wrong though… I wanna see the new shows!
It was confusing. First he says we’ll get clips of the day then he says that we will get vod on the app including the new ones. The damage report is on johns old personal channel so be interesting to see what happens.
Im with geot. Doesn’t seem like a big deal. I really don’t need os sports or more of Brett on his own. I have enough to watch and if I get it on vod even better. I just really want them to do well against the other corporate news programming. But $40 is too steep. And I like that I can pay one flat rate of $100 a year to be a member. I can’t stand all these monthly subscriptions.
Only thing I don’t like is the post game being broadcasted for all. It was really the only reason I became a member. Sometimes watched that first the next day. I know they won’t talk about the same things on the post games. Felt like I was getting more real talk from them on the post game. As long as Ana keeps us updated on her HOA situation I’ll be fine. Also, hope they keep giving JandA time for their show.
Honestly seems the only real thing that is totally exclusive for the the members is the Friday post game. Maybe it will actually be taped on Friday not Thursday like it is now give Dave another day for people to die to talk about. Getting to see things live first I really don’t care. I watch main show live and have to move on with my life. Catch up on old school on some of the other content as I can. I do like the election coverage though. So that for me is a good exclusive but I don’t think that will drive people to become members.
Either way I want to support them that’s why I give. Got to support content you like.
Tmcsorley, I agree with so many of your comments. I’m happy for them they have the new platform, but I’m more happy they kept things the same for members because that’s how I still want to access TYT. I hate monthly subscriptions too! I’m not rolling in dough at the moment. I think we will just be able to see the clips of the new shows that will be on their public youtube channel and that’s fine with me. I totally understand they have to do things certain ways to reach new people.
I believe he said we will receive a clip of the new shows, not the full content.
So why not be on Sling?
I understand your need to reach out to a larger audience and that the content you put out costs money. But it still feels like a big “fuck you” to members that cannot afford YouTube TV. I cut the cord so that I can pay for content I want to watch and support content creators I want to support. I also get that the extra $40 is not going to you, but TYT would be the only thing I watch on YouTube TV. So for me, the only way I get to watch the new shows is to fork over an extra $40 (And as a bonus, I get FOX and bunch of shitty channels I’ll never watch.,) I lwould love to watch John in the morning, Ana’s new show sounds awesome, I’ve been a fan of Brett since his Rotten Tomatoes Show. I’ll never get to see these shows because they are exclusive to people willing to pay for the YouTube TV bundle. I would’ve gladly paid a little extra to TYT for the new shows, but “fuck off, members” that’s only for YouTube TV folk. The Postgame had this “We’ll always have Paris” vibe to it. Sad. Thanks for not taking away the old shows. Are you not merciful?
Seriously… how terribly kind of them not to restrict access to shows that are (excuse me- were) for members.
So what’s the difference between youtube tv and youtube red?
YouTube red is just without ads. YouTubeTV is like a cable package that will cost you $40/month.
Youtube TV not available in my area. Who knows when or if it will be. I was happy to support a source that brought a different and liberal viewpoint but, frankly, much of the members only stuff is fill. Rarely watch Post Game, Old School, etc. I’m hanging in here for Aggressive Progressive.
Oldschool and the Post game are what makes TYT
yeah, you gotta add Old School. That and AP are must watch. I mostly watch the first hour if Cenk is hosting, sometimes will listen to the rest as I do other things.
Members not getting the new shows is a really shit move.
You’ve taken out money for years, and now you have a deal with a new platform, YouTube TV, and you create new content exclusively for them. I know what a contract is, I know they want new exclusive content so they can attract new / more viewers and make more money from advertisers, but it’s still a shit move on TYT’s part.
Remember the 80s, when productivity was decoupled from income? This is exactly how I see this new deal with YouTube TV. Tyt is leaving behind it’s members and the new content is for someone else.
In my opinions, everything would be good if members had access to all tyt programming, new or existing.
I’m not even gonna mention your 1000s of members from countries that don’t even have YouTube TV.
I am a paying member and want access to you programs, that’s what I am paying for.
I work for a telecom company here in Canada, and we are Beta testing IPTV here. I am really curious about this – to get You Tube TV do you have to be paying for cable TV in some way shape or form? I cord cut almost a decade ago, but the Beta test they are running for employees makes it pretty worthwhile for me to activate cable for the first time in almost a decade. I miss live Sports. It’s just foreign to me at this point that I have to subscribe to some sort of cable to get TYT content. I’d gladly pay an extra $10/month to get the new content through tytnetwork.com. That’s all I really want, the ultimate in ala carte content.
agreed, charging $40 when we’ve been playing $10 fovr years to get the new shows is such crap. Honestly thinking about canceling my membership to pay for YouTubeTV. My guess is they get paid a lot less for TYTV
The only problem I see is if data caps get more restrictive. I already get close to the cap every month, which if I go over I basically get charged double for my internet. I hope fiber comes to my area eventually, or my area forces the ISP to not have data caps. :/
So… members don’t get the new shows.
What?
What a massively sketchy and shitty move.
TYT was not a profanity laced channel, it was a show where they spoke like normal people. People do not omit ‘fuck’ and ‘shit’ when talking among friends. They omit it when talking in front of children or in front of their boss. It does make a difference. I am just running out the clock on my membership period.
I am glad for their success, but its become the type of content I would not keep paying for.
oh Cenk Cenk Cenk … do you know what a conspiracy theory is? … it’s something the establishment uses to discredit those that tell the truth by claiming what is being said isn’t true …. but you confirmed it ;-) …. you admitted that you asked Method Man if you could swear … when it’s YOU’RE SHOW … you used to own it – now you don’t – YouTube does …
Ana Ana Ana … ‘NO ONE TELLS ME WHAT TO SAY’ … sounds a lot like Hillary saying no one paid for her votes doesn’t it? how corporate of you … funny how they no longer play your sound bite of “we only answer to our members’ (or something close to that – haven’t seen it in awhile so don’t remember what the exact words are anymore …
but I do have some words to say about this:
I TOLD YOU SO
I TOLD YOU SO
I TOLD YOU SO …
back in the comment section of PG February 28, 2018 I said this: “FYI – mark my words – The Young Turks are tainting their integrity to turn this enterprise into a cable channel – they’re doing these asinine ‘pauses’ for commercial breaks that ONLY happen when you sell out to get a mainstream audience … they’re corrupting Aggressive Progressive with this garbage of no cursing and alienating pauses – they’re selling you out people … again … mark my words”
I also said this: “they’re changing their language to please corporate masters – THAT’S SELLING OUT … incrementally … you’ve been warned …
… and before you claim that it’s just for Syrius or whatever … why are they making this asinine no swearing rule apply to MEMBERS ONLY content? if the corporations have control of what words they can and can’t use … what editorial decisions are they making – implicitly or explicitly – in order not to upset the corporate advertisers? these breaks are too close to commercial type breaks … and it’s across the board – they’re even fucking bleeping out What the Flick for chrissakes …”
just listen to how Cenk stammers and stutters as he tries to tell you how he’s sold you out … how you will now have to pay $40 to see any of the new shows (unless someone puts them up on bittorrent – most of the YouTube Red shows are available that way) … he’s taking content that used to be EXCLUSIVELY for members and turning it into MEMBERS FIRST … then they cut it up and give it their corporate owners to profit off of – what YOU HELPED THEM BUILD IS BEING GIVEN TO YOUTUBE SO YOUTUBE CAN MAKE MONEY ON IT … if you don’t see how you’re getting the shaft here than most of you are dumber than you seem …
and Cenk once again shits on the peasants by telling them cable is so expensive – it’s on YOU that you can’t afford $40 more to see content you helped build …
listen to how they are trying to tell you that you should be happy to have less and have to pay more to see the stuff you used to have exclusively as YOURS for only $10 … listen to the corporate speak … the way Ana tries to claim she meant to stop swearing on her own … really she did … so fuck any of you that don’t like it …
… and once again they turn the swearing thing around to be that we are upset about the swearing itself … NO DIPSHITS – WE SEE WHAT THE CENSORSHIP OF LANGUAGE MEANS … good god your mealy mouthed lies are appalling Ana … seriously … you’re making money now – fuck the members for getting in the way of your big time promotion – is that it? ;-) … yeah … that’s what I thought ..
oh yeah – I almost forgot along with the I TOLD YOU SO
I WAS RIGHT
I WAS RIGHT
I WAS RIGHT
THIS FUCKING GUY XENOPHELIA
girl – get it straight
Sad. Babies.