Post Game April 18, 2018

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Cenk, Ana, and Brett talk about limits of comedy and elite dating apps.

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  1. I really disliked my now husband when I first met him. We worked together and I was his supervisor, and overall I pretty much wanted nothing to do with him. We’ve now been together for ten years. :)

  2. RE: Elite Dating Apps

    I love the idea that these apps remove elitist snobs from the other dating apps. Is there anything more gross than someone angling to find out how much you make as a minimum requirement for dating? Yeesh. They deserve each other.

  3. eskimo brother is a term to describe someone, while attributing a meaning to a specific race or culture. . similar to indian giver

    not my first choice of words to describe two people who had sex with the same person, or someone whom apparently reneges on a trade or sale, even if the context is incorrectly used

        1. Even if I don’t like the way some libs talk, I don’t understand why should I suddenly then be pro-military, pro-religion, pro-gun, pro-trickle-down economics, anti-subsidised college, anti-subsidised healthcare, anti-government, anti-science, anti-abortion, anti-black, anti-hispanic, etc, etc.

          If all of that’s irrelevant to you, then okay, I guess you’re true independent then.

  4. Getting attacked from both the left and right must be exhausting… I don’t know how you guys do it, but keep up the good work.

    I sympathize your concern about comedy. I think most of us know when a comedian has crossed the line with bad intent. It’s not often, honestly. Some people can be overly sensitive and not realize that good comedy can be pretty savage. Comedy like that might not be for them, and that’s perfectly fine, and there are plenty of less intense stand-ups out there. But stand-ups should not apologize for jokes that certain people take offense to.

  5. Cenk, Anna, Brett and anyone at TYT who doesn’t understand SESTA /FOSTA: please educate yourself as soon as possible.
    Not only is this bill a badly and broadly written piece of garbage legislature designed to repress and penalize sex workers under the guise of stopping child trafficking, it also threatens free speech in the worst possible way. In fact, under this bill we have already seen the closure of multiple sexuality and dating focused sites, and it potentially threatens even “regular” dating sites like Tinder. I’m actually stunned that you guys have done ZERO coverage on it, considering how much you care about Net Neutrality, freedom of speech and (I’m guessing?) sexual freedom.

    1. I thought Ana did a segment on this maybe last week? I could be mistaken, and there’s been SO much news it’s hard to keep up, but I could have sworn she did a segment about it pointing out why it’s an awful bill.

  6. So my take away from this PG is that Brett has really earned my respect and I need to watch more stuff with him in it. I aligned with much of what he said. Just very balanced and reasonable.

    The dating thing – people are going to self select if they aren’t open to other things. Period. Whether they reject those things in person or via app. Are they missing something? Possibly. Do they care? Probably not. I’m glad apps weren’t a thing when I was dating. Websites were, but my husband fell into my life before I was at a point where I was looking for a long term thing. But had it been me actively looking, I would have checked other boxes. I think I got super, super lucky in crossing paths with him when I did, because based on patterns, I would likely have ended up in an unhappy and very likely abusive relationship. The point that we don’t know what’s out there and shouldn’t close ourselves off because what we think we want and what we actually need are not always aligned is totally fair. Totally. But so what? People don’t change much – there is a reason that Pride and Prejudice is a familiar story. Those who are open will find things. Those who aren’t will probably never question what they’ve missed.

  7. Why the hate on wealthy people apps?

    From the people I know who went through this wealthy people belong to each other.

    1. just bad optics. It makes it too obvious that the ruling class is day-by-day separating themselves from every having to experience the peasant class. The less they see us, the more they find it easier to dismiss any of our concerns, the less human we become to them.

      1. It is bad optics I agree but Cenk’s opposition is not about optics, he genuinely does not like wealthy people dating each other.

        I also think he has a small chip on his shoulder when it comes to the mid and super wealthy people in general which is not good at all.

        1. I think Cenk just has a problem with dating in general. He used to be a real creeper when he was unmarried, and it makes him very uncomfortable that things he used to be proud of himself for, his “game”, are now considered gross. And he’s always whining about the rules changing on him, and he’s just concerned for the other guys who won’t get it (read: him).

          However, maybe you’re right about the chip on his shoulder. He used to be a Republican after all, and that whole ethos is about getting richer than the other guy, and I feel Cenk has always wanted to be in that elite club, and following his progressive conversion, he hasn’t quite lost that goal.

  9. This is the political turning point for TYT. From now on, they will being the slow conversion to an Alt-Right News Organization. They are turning on Liberals and Progressives. Let them fight. We did it guys. We broke them.

  10. I see a few errors in my typing admittedly it was @ 2am. First, George Carlin loved his WIFE. Second when you go see a comedian you are NOT there to engage in polite conversation lastly the hick town is Ashland, Pennsylvania

  11. Huh. I’m glad Cenk is having problems trying to figure out what’s ‘appropriate’. Because it is a total mystery, for many of us.

    There are some things you can’t simply take away from men.

    Society can require men not to stare at breasts, but they can’t make men not WANT to look.

    You can try to impose rules at the office about asking for a date, much like smoking – just take it outside. But you can’t demand that people not WANT to hook up. Also, setting these rules removes much of the spontaneity from the mating ritual. That’s part of its sexiness. Damn, I wish you people would interview Camille Paglia.

    I suppose you can even ask people not to SAY that they fell in love at first sight, so as not to offend anyone. But you can’t ask men (and some women) not to experience a heart flutter that lasts a week, when they meet Ana for the first time.

    Ya known what I’m sayin’? 

    Many of us are completely certain, where this is going – the end of male/female sexual relationships. Technology is going to get us there, and it’s anybody’s guess what relationships are going to look like, in 30 years. But I’m certain that the cost/benefit analysis for human sex partners will push them out of the dating market, in a VR world.

    Sandbox. Brett’s generic term for the writer’s room. If we set all of these rules for inoffensive behavior, but we don’t allow for some kind of outlet, some kid of ‘Sandbox’ resource for those who need it, then this is suppression, pure & simple. And that has consequences. Comedy is a prime example of this, but it applies much more widely.

    “An important movement was exploited, by a bunch of dudes who want to take down Cenk.”

    Sorry to say, but it’s all about Capitalism and money. If Cenk is right that we’re ‘competitive’ in some unavoidable sense – as opposed to it being an adaptation to an environment that incentivizes competition – then this will continue for the rest of our existence. You can’t take money out of politics, and you can’t stop people from co-opting movements, as long as profit is one of the number one components of survival. Human beings are always going to be more clever than any static set of rules. They will change those rules or work around them, to inject profit into anything .

    Dating apps –

    “If you limit yourself like that, you could really miss out on a great person.” Yes, this is a problem, but you always miss out multiple choices, when you choose one thing over another. If you move to another city or another job, you miss out on potential mates who might be your ‘one true love’, or the perfect job elsewhere.

    I’ve thought about this a lot lately, mainly in the context of Cranston. She’s got her faults like everyone, she jumps to conclusions about people & issues. But it’s so crystal clear that she has a fountain of love to offer. She’s used some of these apps, without the results she hoped for.

    I think the solution to Cranston’s problem, is for us guys to continue insulting her, to label her as a bad person because her channel isn’t as popular as before, to continue pointing out her flaws while disregarding her strengths. If we do that enough, then Cranston will miraculously be more relaxed & open to meeting men, and less likely to pre-judge them.

    “I wanted the heat.” Ha. Hey, Christian – the next time you do Karaoke, go ahead & sing The Heat is On. Needle your goddess wife, and mostly importantly make videos.

    The main take of all this, is that there is no guaranteed way to find the right partner. Luck is still a huge factor. And so we still have people in the world who are starving to give love & receive it – like Cranston – without a permanent partner. There’s definitely an X-factor, that these dating apps are missing.

    “But that (what kind of job do you have, how much money do you make) is a real responsible type of thing to look for, in your future…”. Yes, that’s right. And yes, it IS callous. But this is what Capitalism leads to.

    When are we going to learn, that the excuses we make to keep the system we have, are themselves generated by the system? Every economic and political system we build, is going to grow its own survival instinct, that takes advantage of our resistance to change.

    Much more to say, but I’ve already passed the essay word count.

    Good topics, thanks Brett & Cenk & Ana.

    1. no one is trying to regulate thoughts or feelings, only behavior. It’s not confusing or hard at all. Men have been entitled to act certain ways with women, regardless of setting. We’re changing that. You’ll get used it. Stop whining.

      1. “Stop whining.”

        If it weren’t for this one insulting & inconsiderate comment, I would have been happy to respond politely.

        1. it is exactly what I think. We’re going to retrain dumb entitled men how to behave like women are other humans too, not things to trick into sex. If you think that’s the “end of male/female relationships” you are truly troubled and need this education more urgently than others.

          1. How come I knew there would be a personal attack in the thread, as soon as I responded?

            Yeah, good luck with that thing you’re trying to accomplish, that has nothing to do with anything I said or objected to.

            I’ll leave you to your quest.

            1. You didn’t say this?

              Many of us are completely certain, where this is going – the end of male/female sexual relationships.

        2. This is super, super easy. Don’t say shit to a woman you wouldn’t say to a guy.
          If a comment would earn you a punch or a “fuck you” from a guy, don’t say it to a woman.
          Women are people. It’s not that fucking hard.

          1. First, I was never interested in guys, and most of them would be uncomfortable with some of the things I’ve said to women, which those women were ok with. In situations when they weren’t ok, they let me know that and I refrained from similar words.

            Second, I hope your advice works in reverse, pounamu. If a woman badmouths a guy and the guy badmouths her back, she can’t invoke feminine privilege and complain that the big bad male person verbally abused her.

            This isn’t going to be constructive, that’s obvious since you two are describing things that are unrelated to anything I said in my original post, or to my objections to the movement. So I’ll finish here, but will read any final comments.

  12. Great show. To the conversation about what is/is not acceptable in society after the MeToo movement- The other day I was re watching old episodes of How I Met your Mother and found myself wondering how the show would do now a days. During the show I was watching they were addressing the subject of how Barney does the “naked man” move. Where a guy goes back to a chicks house, she leaves the room for something, and the guy strips down naked and hopes for sex. In the episode this behavior was joked about and pushed as a good idea. Now that the MeToo movement is in swing, I have a feeling that episode wouldn’t be received as well.

    Dating- It sucks. The end. Lol What I hate most about online dating is the in ability to tell if someone is lying. Which happens a ton. Back before dating apps, I could tell if someone was a liar within the first interaction. Now a days, I have to go through a week of fucking non stop emails through the app, then txt for a cpl days, and finally after that you get to the first date to find out the person isn’t who their profile portrays them to be. Rinse and repeat.

  13. OK… I’m glad that you touch on the sex worker thing…. Recently Congress has passed a law that has thrown the sex work industry into turmoil. FOSTA. I was hoping TYT would address it.

    I only know about this because with in the last 2-3 years I discovered my sister is in the biz. I was shocked at first, but we had a serious heart to heart and she shared info and a perspective I would NEVER have understood before.

    One of the most disturbing thing about the law is that the authorities went in and shutdown a huge site entirely. Backpage.com. The government went in and SHUTDOWN a site making millions a year because of what other people posted on their site. That used to be protected and they’ve now reversed it. To me… that’s the most frightening part.

    Please… someone at TYT read the FOSTA bill because if you do you’ll see it’s written so broadly that it can have tentacles far beyond the sex industry.

    We can get judgmental if we want, but frankly, with what I know now…. we all know someone in the sex industry. It’s surprising but true. I had no idea. In the meantime… the government is breaking down Democratic stalwarts as we speak.

    I’m a member and a fan of TYT…. I only write comments when I feel like it might help the show in anyway…. I genuinely hope that TYT takes a look at FOSTA… it’s reach is far and wide and is Literally changing how people behave online around the world…. Millions of people. Seriously. Please look into it.

  14. I’m with Ana, comedy should have an exemption from “what’s appropriate” and social justice warriors. People have to stop being so sensitive over jokes. Stop trying to ruin comedy, it can be offensive, move on. That being said I believe intent matters; if you’re trying to be malicious with your jokes (and it is easy to tell in comedy) then you go too far but no need to go out of your way, just don’t laugh and move on, I doubt anyone going out of their way to be malicious would care if they’re offending you.

  16. I don’t think discussing the concept that two people had sex with the same person is a problem, but “Eskimo brother” seems unnecessarily racist. Maybe I’m more sensitive to it because Canada is so, so bad with First Nations rights and equality, but it seems like there must be a better term for the same thing that doesn’t look down on people who are already constantly punched down at.

    1. Totally agree with popcorntiger about the racism thing. But I could be sensitive to it because I’ve dated a Tlingit guy.

      Also, I totally get Ana’s point. My husband is exactly the opposite of who I normally dated. He’s German (actually German, not just American with German ancestry) and I’m an American Jew, he doesn’t and i hoard books, he is distant from his family and I’m happier surrounded by mine. He was unemployed, on the other side of the planet, and from a completely different culture, and I’m so incredibly glad I didn’t close myself off from the possibility of being with him because I can’t imagine having to live without him now.

    2. Thank you for getting there before I could. The first and most problematic thing there was totally ignored . . . sigh.

  17. Here’s my $.02 regarding the limits of comedy. First let me say that because I’m a member of tyt the feeling I get and it’s supported by the messages by members read on air, the inclusion of everyone who could get there on TYT’s sweet sixteen party and the member shoutouts that we’re not just people who are numbers to Cenk and the people of TYT. We’re members of a family most of us are fighting for the common goal of progressive ideologies. I’m a nobody I’m just Eddie O’Donnell from a hick town in Ashland. I’m friends with people who consider themselves Republican and my mother’s side of the family in this area are the same. My fathers side democrat….corporate democrat they support Hillary. My mother and I are the progressives. Anyhow as a nobody, nobody really cares. TYT gave me a voice, if I disagree with any of you putting on the show I’m not afraid to come out about it and tell you. That’s what families do. I’m glad this post game everyone is weighing in, again everyone has that voice. Now on to the comedy limitations, there shouldn’t be any! Why do I say that? I draw on the career of George Carlin everyone knew who he was, what he said and things he did. He had the biggest following of his time. He also said some of the most vile things imaginable that would make people cringe in polite conversation. He said those things but he absolutely loved his and always called her on stage at the end. When you go to see a comedian you are there to engage in polite conversation. You are there to laugh your ass off. That is what you pay the comedian to do when you buy your tickets. People might differ and that is fine but as far as I am concerned…comedy is there to push the envelope. Let’s let them do just that.
    Eddie O’Donnell

  18. Ana who is telling you that u r funny. All I’m saying is that I don’t know you enough to say do or don’t but here is what I say: whatever ur decision is just be conscious of what you are by a thirld person objective through genuinely asking a lot of people if you are funny. You have to put your own thoughts on your comedy skills aside while doing it.

    1. “Ana who is telling you that u r funny.”

      Her husband.

      When they are smoking pot.

      I’ll leave it at that.

  19. Once again I have to say you guys are going to black and white with an issue that I think should be grey.

    I think that people do need to chill out with comedy a bit. I also think you need to look at it in the time it was written and stop trying to apply modern standards to it.

    I also think comedy can grow and people can learn not to tell offensive jokes and people should/can be called out for their bs. Ugly girls should be grateful to be raped (and the variations on that “joke”) is not ok, but by your standards “just leave it alone because it’s comedy”. No

    Do we go too far? Sure. Do we need to stop all together and treat comedy like a scared thing that we should all just deal. No. It’s a grey area

    And btw if comedians can’t develop with the times then they aren’t really good at their job

    1. But since you guys jumped to Cenk getting throw under the bus so quickly I will say that I thought it was bs then and I think it’s bs now.

    3. Yeah, I find Cenk and Ana’s conversations around this topic ridiculous. There is a huge gray area and it changes with the times. How is that surprising or too high of a bar? It’s not wrong to be critical of stuff that may be unacceptable. A conversation doesn’t hurt anything. It doesn’t shut down comedy because nothing can. We’re human and that’s part of the human experience. Same with dating. People hook up because they want sex, romance, connection. That isn’t going to change because people call out sexism when they see it.

    4. I disagree, which is not surprising as we all find different things funny. no need to be d1cks about it.

      I used to find Ana’s saltyness rather shrill & witchy, but now she has gained some confidence in her considerable wit, that same stroppy OTT delivery makes a lot of her outbursts hilarious – IMHO. at least 50% of being funny is confidence i reckon.

      I’d wager she is funnier (to me & others) than either of you – what a stupid wager – “OF COURSE” – because comedy is largely subjective.

    1. Well given that you probably thought that comment was clever I would find disapproval from you about comedy to be a compliment

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