“So now you have forced my hand into explaining–” “Please don’t” “the male penis again.” You say that Cenk as if it’s such a great shame you have to talk about it but we all know you were waiting for the opportunity to bring it up lol
Wonderful, thought-provoking discussion. Cenk has some fascinating things about human nature, and I love Ana’s passion for this subject. Thank you for giving me some food for thought.
Cenk, evolution is also science. It’s not just physical, it’s also cultural. Even lions have culture, to nudge in on your example of “running from lions”. We may be evolving due to the environment or potential overpopulation to be more monogamous and not spread the seed around so much to to environmental constraints. Just as we evolved to be more efficient at populating, we may be in the process of evolving to be more efficient at conserving our physical space and planet. Obviously, there will be opposition to change, even evolutionarily, but as evolution shows, traits that are less favorable will be weeded out. So biology may be reprogramming us to not think of spreading our seed as much since in our current world, not only do your close social network of people know you are a cheater, but the world at large can have access to that if it is made public enough due to social media.
All secrets eventually come out. Keeping knowledge of a one night stand or an affair from a partner hurts, no matter how much time has passed since the incident. I found out about an affair 9 years after it happened and it hurts more because I would have made different choices in life. Also, lots of questions get unanswered because it’s hard for people to remember what happened several years ago. It gets remembered differently. Keeping it a secret does not fix the underlying issue in the relationship that caused a partner to stray.
I listen to all the Monday through Thursday post games. This was by far the best ever. What was the name of the interview that Cenk was referring to? I’d love to listen to it during my commute.
I’ve been married for 36 years. The relationship changes over the years as you get older. Sex is less important but love is more important. My wife and I are best friends but as grandparents sex is a lot less frequent than it was years ago.
I’m in the waiting room for my husband…he’s having a vasectomy! I’m surrounded by other worried people waiting for their relatives in surgeries and desperately trying to hold in laughter. My insides are melting!
I absolutely loved this Post Game. What a great and important conversation. Really hit the nail on the head. Honest and open conversation is critical in all relationships, most especially marriage.
Uh-oh. Call Cranston (bless her talented heart). She’ll have something to say about this, that will have nothing to do with the intent or actual damage of the topics discussed.
I agree Cenk. Communication is the problem. We don’t communicate that it takes a village, and not just for the kids. We don’t communicate that monogamy is unnatural for most people. We don’t have an open dialogue of how jealousy is the real beast, not cheating or dishonesty. You can’t be honest if sharing your body with multiple partners means the end of the world.
Concerning the don’t tell aspect of the story, I would disagree. I see where your coming from, but personally, I would want to know. Not because I would be able to forgive them, but because I wouldn’t want to be in a relationship with that person any longer. I get the whole humans have urges argument, but I completely disagree with the idea that people can not control those urges.
Totally agree. Commitment is commitment and half measures come off as selfish let alone the genital funk abound around town. Excellent Post Game, wondering why the descriptions took a real shit lately…
It’s so individual. I honestly don’t know if I would want to know. I’ve watched people go through that – it was brutal, the effects of learning their partner had cheated on them. It truly did nothing to help their relationships and did a lot of damage to the individual who was cheated on. They questioned everything about themselves and their relationship, especially because it was – for them – so out of the blue.
There is a theoretical in which I want to know, because I don’t like the idea of living in a lie. And there is another in which, man, no. Don’t tell me.
I think it depends on what else is happening in the relationship and what is behind the cheating. If our relationship is crumbling around us and this is about more than physical sex – I need to know so we can evaluate and make our own decisions. If it’s just meaningless physical release, and the person is otherwise all in and committed to the relationship? I’d rather not know.
There’s one thing I haven’t been able to figure out, about this Post Game – why isn’t there a thumbnail of Al Bundy, with a frightened look on his face, trying to hide from Peg who is on the prowl?
This brought to mind a point about nurturing, related to what Ana was lamenting about the other day. I’ve heard some people suggest that the uncontrollable maternal instinct that many woman have, isn’t really about the biological need to get pregnant and bear a child. They suggest that it’s simply about nurturing, and that it’s just as easily fulfilled if you help take care of a young one, in your family. He believed that this evolved from our time in villages, where everybody gets involved with protecting and raising a growing child. I don’t remember where this discussion took place, but it was about year and a half ago.
Yeah, I understand (I think) why Ana knows intellectually that men want to venture out sometimes ; but the thought of him actually doing it, is too much to bear. I think it’s the fear of losing something, i.e., that the other person stole – or will steal – this invaluable intimacy that we take for granted.
When we were younger, I never had the fear of my wife screwing someone else. My attitude towards women with the itch has always been, that they shouldn’t deprive themselves of it, if it’s something they really need.
My wife has never needed that, anyway. The cuddling & daily massage has always been enough, for her.
Caitlin Johnstone, in her Medium article about Rape Culture, mentioned that many women find penetration painful. Until then, I thought my wife was unique. There’s only one thing she needs every few months or longer, and it’s easy to do. That’s perfect for me, since I prefer handling my own needs.
But sex, for so many couples, if full of landmines & unrealistic boundaries, and unnecessary divorces.
The answer to all of this, in my opinion, has always been technology. – Robotic Partners or more importantly, Virtual Reality.
The technology is not only the answer to the wanderlust, it’s also a partial answer to the mystery of what love really is.
There are several things that complicate the concept of love, in trying to understand it. One of them is money, the need in this day & age for partners to support each other. Another is sex. When we remove the conditions in our life that confuse or complicate something like Love, then it becomes easier to understand what Love really is.
So, if our sexual needs are satisfied by a VR jaunt, so we depend less on a human partner for those needs, we are freer to fall in love with someone, without any consideration of sex.
When fully immersive VR becomes ubiquitous, Love will have one less complication, and we’ll have a clearer picture of what Love really is. If there IS some force in the universe called Love, then it will be easier to recognize & not confuse it with infatuation. If Love is just some illusion – or some vague ambiguous shorthand for something else – then it will be easier to see through it.
When we have VR, I’ve no doubt that there will be fewer romantic relationships. But the remaining connections between people will be more honest and clear and pure. Less complications, less confusing, less stressful.
I imagine that close bonding between the same sexes will become less scary for the homophobic community. If two men live together because they just enjoy each other’s company & have common interests (in a VR world), then the overzealous bible-thumper next door won’t have to feel that there’s some law of nature that’s being broken.
Alright, I’m starting to ramble. Reading the comments section earlier, I thought that Cenk was admitting some affair that he had, and he recently told Wendy about it. There is NO way, I would miss that discussion, since I’ve known that it would happen. And happen. And happen.
Let me just say one more thing, regarding women who feel threatened about artificial sex with non-human partners. The women who tell you, “eeew, I could never get involved with that. It’s just not me. I need a real person.”
I guarantee – GUARANTEE – that when robotic partners or VR simulations become widely available & sophisticated, women will eventually be at least as enthusiastic as men. When you’re eating dinner and your wife comes home late from ‘shopping’ – trust me – they spent at least part of that time, rigorously testing the deluxe models. They will understand how to work the damn things, better than us men. Guaranteed.
I think they make excellent points on biological urges and the don’t tell aspect. Yes if it’s unprotected get a test before telling, don’t throw yourself under a bus if you made a mistake and there’s no reason to. I definitely think moral and religious beliefs have us believing that we are doing better by our partner by telling, but I wouldn’t want to know and have never felt compelled to tell unless directly asked. Each to their own but think about all the ramifications before doing it
Cenk, Read “Death from a Distance and the Birth of a Humane Universe”- Bingham. He is a professor from Stony Brook University. I took his class. In the book he describe the penis as “squeegee”; where the vagina wraps around the vagina and the head of the penis is evolved to remove the sperm that is present in the vagina. This denotes sexual competition. For example, since women are child bearers they want a prime candidate for their offspring. Whereas men act to ensure their success of their sperm. So therefore, the penis acts as a way to ensure the sperm from any other potential male mates are removed (via from the penis head) so his sperm has the best chance. Its all biology and its all real. I took the class.
that feeling when Cenk repeats the same wrong shit again and you can’t take it anymore… raaaaargh comment posting time.
I could gripe on the ‘men stick around long enough for the kid to be able to run away from lions’ theory but we can never fully know the social dynamics/relationship norms in pre-agricultural humans, so who knows, maybe he’s right. We are however, able to know the general life expectancy of our ancestors through various stages in human evolution (ie, longer lives before agricultural revolution-but that downturn was not due to evolution itself, we had evolved into basically ‘us’ well before then – dying earlier in settled times was due to diseases spread from animals and humans living in close proximity and working more hours of the day/physical demands changed, food sources changed etc) the repeated and incorrect info is that our ancestors didn’t have long lives – yah, they did. pre ag humans lived long lives, assuming they got past childhood/teens years. the childhood/infant mortality rates brings down the average so significantly that people just continue to believe that our ancestors had shorter lifespans. The average might be 35, but people could live to 70 in many areas and eras in our evolution. all dependent on locations/time etc so it’s not as simple as ‘they lived long lives’ but it’s also not as simple as ‘they lived til they were 23’.
I know this is of the cuff and conversational but damn, this repeated inaccuracy just GETS me.
End of Pointless Rant.
ok and another thing – in terms of who raises the kids – if you look at examples from ‘modern’ hunter gatherer societies it’s not one man, one woman raise one kid – the whole unit, all the families, mostly grannies spend time raising kids. the younger men and women spend a lot of time finding food because theyre the most able-bodied. there’s a reason why the human female lives far beyond her mating capability (ie, why do human women have menopause/other mammals just tend to die before reaching non-mating life stage). Grandmothers stick around in the tribe to help with child rearing (note: this is a theory, based on historical models of modern tribes) the whole ‘it takes a village’ saying comes from reality.
There’s also many competing theories about mother/fatherhood in pre ag times – one of my faves is that women would find sexual partners among her tribe, as she pleased, and when the child was born everyone was the father because dude A gave the child characteristic A, dude B, gave her child characteristic B etc and so on. It’s unlikely that the women knew who the sole father was if they were living in the kinds of societies that existed before the agricultural revolution. free love, baby. also, most likely NOT patriarchal societal structures.
Once you get to agricultural rev, people are eventually separated from tribe life and men could have better control of the women/were more certain which child was theirs/needed to be certain because they needed to use the kids for labour, to help feed their family unit / needed control over offspring because know they owned land and had value to pass on etc. Agriculture was a super bummer in a lot of ways, you guys.
Also the penis thing, hasn’t that been debunked? I thought that got debunked or at least ‘other theoried’..?
Excellent post game, I wonder how the penis design (shovel and suction) discriminates between others sperm and the current inseminator? Damn! I just spread my seed and now my foreskin sucked it all out. Hmm, maybe a good design for those who don’t want kids.
If there is a moral failing in terms of infidelity it is this: jealousy brought on by possessiveness.
The infidelity would be no problem if nobody got jealous. As long as the committed couple can have sex with each other as often as they like what’s the problem with a little something on the side if there is no possessiveness of your mate but a willingness to share and therefore no jealousy? We’d all have a lot more sex if we got over our possessiveness. This sounds like a paragraph out of a swingers guide.
The suction action would occur during thrusting, thus clearing the way for the new insemination, which would largely be beyond the ‘suction’ point of what is ‘squeegee’d’ out. As it were.
Ejaculation is fast and furious – in reality, the design might help, but the strongest and fastest sperm are not the ones hanging futilely in the vagina. The strongest sperm are working towards the cervix pretty quickly, unless you are literally speaking of minutes before sex.
It’s something we had to explain to newbies who were ttc – the putting your legs up and raising your hips with a pillow post-intercourse to save sperm is a myth. It increases your odds of a UTI, not conception.
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“So now you have forced my hand into explaining–” “Please don’t” “the male penis again.” You say that Cenk as if it’s such a great shame you have to talk about it but we all know you were waiting for the opportunity to bring it up lol
Wonderful, thought-provoking discussion. Cenk has some fascinating things about human nature, and I love Ana’s passion for this subject. Thank you for giving me some food for thought.
Cenk, evolution is also science. It’s not just physical, it’s also cultural. Even lions have culture, to nudge in on your example of “running from lions”. We may be evolving due to the environment or potential overpopulation to be more monogamous and not spread the seed around so much to to environmental constraints. Just as we evolved to be more efficient at populating, we may be in the process of evolving to be more efficient at conserving our physical space and planet. Obviously, there will be opposition to change, even evolutionarily, but as evolution shows, traits that are less favorable will be weeded out. So biology may be reprogramming us to not think of spreading our seed as much since in our current world, not only do your close social network of people know you are a cheater, but the world at large can have access to that if it is made public enough due to social media.
LMAO I really hope Christian watched this HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
All secrets eventually come out. Keeping knowledge of a one night stand or an affair from a partner hurts, no matter how much time has passed since the incident. I found out about an affair 9 years after it happened and it hurts more because I would have made different choices in life. Also, lots of questions get unanswered because it’s hard for people to remember what happened several years ago. It gets remembered differently. Keeping it a secret does not fix the underlying issue in the relationship that caused a partner to stray.
OMG! This is so Mode One (ALAN ROGER CURRIE)
Cenk you must watch this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhFM8akm9a4
the trailer doesnt do it justice but its just 10 episodes, watch the 1st and you’ll be hooked
I listen to all the Monday through Thursday post games. This was by far the best ever. What was the name of the interview that Cenk was referring to? I’d love to listen to it during my commute.
I normally don’t ever leave comments but what was the interview that Mr. Jamaica (Cenk) talking about? What was the name of the author he interviewed?
I’ve been married for 36 years. The relationship changes over the years as you get older. Sex is less important but love is more important. My wife and I are best friends but as grandparents sex is a lot less frequent than it was years ago.
Fav PG ever. Thanks for this
Perfect timing
I just got out of a good 4 year relationship because of this.
STAY STRONG ;)
Jealousy is a word to devalue the feeling of hurt.
I’m in the waiting room for my husband…he’s having a vasectomy! I’m surrounded by other worried people waiting for their relatives in surgeries and desperately trying to hold in laughter. My insides are melting!
Love y’all
I absolutely loved this Post Game. What a great and important conversation. Really hit the nail on the head. Honest and open conversation is critical in all relationships, most especially marriage.
Ana, Cenk’s talking about his penis again!
Uh-oh. Call Cranston (bless her talented heart). She’ll have something to say about this, that will have nothing to do with the intent or actual damage of the topics discussed.
I agree Cenk. Communication is the problem. We don’t communicate that it takes a village, and not just for the kids. We don’t communicate that monogamy is unnatural for most people. We don’t have an open dialogue of how jealousy is the real beast, not cheating or dishonesty. You can’t be honest if sharing your body with multiple partners means the end of the world.
Waldo. For the love of god. Name the post games! Don’t make me come for you cuz I WILL find you, Waldo.
Concerning the don’t tell aspect of the story, I would disagree. I see where your coming from, but personally, I would want to know. Not because I would be able to forgive them, but because I wouldn’t want to be in a relationship with that person any longer. I get the whole humans have urges argument, but I completely disagree with the idea that people can not control those urges.
Totally agree. Commitment is commitment and half measures come off as selfish let alone the genital funk abound around town. Excellent Post Game, wondering why the descriptions took a real shit lately…
It’s so individual. I honestly don’t know if I would want to know. I’ve watched people go through that – it was brutal, the effects of learning their partner had cheated on them. It truly did nothing to help their relationships and did a lot of damage to the individual who was cheated on. They questioned everything about themselves and their relationship, especially because it was – for them – so out of the blue.
There is a theoretical in which I want to know, because I don’t like the idea of living in a lie. And there is another in which, man, no. Don’t tell me.
I think it depends on what else is happening in the relationship and what is behind the cheating. If our relationship is crumbling around us and this is about more than physical sex – I need to know so we can evaluate and make our own decisions. If it’s just meaningless physical release, and the person is otherwise all in and committed to the relationship? I’d rather not know.
There’s one thing I haven’t been able to figure out, about this Post Game – why isn’t there a thumbnail of Al Bundy, with a frightened look on his face, trying to hide from Peg who is on the prowl?
This brought to mind a point about nurturing, related to what Ana was lamenting about the other day. I’ve heard some people suggest that the uncontrollable maternal instinct that many woman have, isn’t really about the biological need to get pregnant and bear a child. They suggest that it’s simply about nurturing, and that it’s just as easily fulfilled if you help take care of a young one, in your family. He believed that this evolved from our time in villages, where everybody gets involved with protecting and raising a growing child. I don’t remember where this discussion took place, but it was about year and a half ago.
Yeah, I understand (I think) why Ana knows intellectually that men want to venture out sometimes ; but the thought of him actually doing it, is too much to bear. I think it’s the fear of losing something, i.e., that the other person stole – or will steal – this invaluable intimacy that we take for granted.
When we were younger, I never had the fear of my wife screwing someone else. My attitude towards women with the itch has always been, that they shouldn’t deprive themselves of it, if it’s something they really need.
My wife has never needed that, anyway. The cuddling & daily massage has always been enough, for her.
Caitlin Johnstone, in her Medium article about Rape Culture, mentioned that many women find penetration painful. Until then, I thought my wife was unique. There’s only one thing she needs every few months or longer, and it’s easy to do. That’s perfect for me, since I prefer handling my own needs.
But sex, for so many couples, if full of landmines & unrealistic boundaries, and unnecessary divorces.
The answer to all of this, in my opinion, has always been technology. – Robotic Partners or more importantly, Virtual Reality.
The technology is not only the answer to the wanderlust, it’s also a partial answer to the mystery of what love really is.
There are several things that complicate the concept of love, in trying to understand it. One of them is money, the need in this day & age for partners to support each other. Another is sex. When we remove the conditions in our life that confuse or complicate something like Love, then it becomes easier to understand what Love really is.
So, if our sexual needs are satisfied by a VR jaunt, so we depend less on a human partner for those needs, we are freer to fall in love with someone, without any consideration of sex.
When fully immersive VR becomes ubiquitous, Love will have one less complication, and we’ll have a clearer picture of what Love really is. If there IS some force in the universe called Love, then it will be easier to recognize & not confuse it with infatuation. If Love is just some illusion – or some vague ambiguous shorthand for something else – then it will be easier to see through it.
When we have VR, I’ve no doubt that there will be fewer romantic relationships. But the remaining connections between people will be more honest and clear and pure. Less complications, less confusing, less stressful.
I imagine that close bonding between the same sexes will become less scary for the homophobic community. If two men live together because they just enjoy each other’s company & have common interests (in a VR world), then the overzealous bible-thumper next door won’t have to feel that there’s some law of nature that’s being broken.
Alright, I’m starting to ramble. Reading the comments section earlier, I thought that Cenk was admitting some affair that he had, and he recently told Wendy about it. There is NO way, I would miss that discussion, since I’ve known that it would happen. And happen. And happen.
Let me just say one more thing, regarding women who feel threatened about artificial sex with non-human partners. The women who tell you, “eeew, I could never get involved with that. It’s just not me. I need a real person.”
I guarantee – GUARANTEE – that when robotic partners or VR simulations become widely available & sophisticated, women will eventually be at least as enthusiastic as men. When you’re eating dinner and your wife comes home late from ‘shopping’ – trust me – they spent at least part of that time, rigorously testing the deluxe models. They will understand how to work the damn things, better than us men. Guaranteed.
Great Post Game for someone who is about to get married.
Glad they could prepare you for worst, Shaun.
Cenk dabbing gave me life!!
If the dab wasn’t dead already, I think Cenk just killed it.
Color me intrigued.
Haven’t watched this yet, but I could see this sht coming with Cenk, way back. Inevitable.
Alrighty. Copying to the flash drive, will listen during the commute.
Great post game. A truly excellent discussion.
Cenk, I see you. Wendy is a lucky woman. Dab that shit out.
I think they make excellent points on biological urges and the don’t tell aspect. Yes if it’s unprotected get a test before telling, don’t throw yourself under a bus if you made a mistake and there’s no reason to. I definitely think moral and religious beliefs have us believing that we are doing better by our partner by telling, but I wouldn’t want to know and have never felt compelled to tell unless directly asked. Each to their own but think about all the ramifications before doing it
I think you’re on the right track, Cenk. The body has desires. The soul also has it’s own desires.
The body desires procreation, while the soul desires connection.
These things are different, but can touch.
The soul is far more important, but do not neglect the body. Vice versa, the body is important, but far too many people neglect the soul.
I believe that a good life is all about understanding this balance.
Was I given the option to receive notifications on this thread? Huh.
Short answer…nope.
Yeah, when you post a comment there’s an option that says if you want to receive email notifications, you can just turn it off! :)
Cenk, Read “Death from a Distance and the Birth of a Humane Universe”- Bingham. He is a professor from Stony Brook University. I took his class. In the book he describe the penis as “squeegee”; where the vagina wraps around the vagina and the head of the penis is evolved to remove the sperm that is present in the vagina. This denotes sexual competition. For example, since women are child bearers they want a prime candidate for their offspring. Whereas men act to ensure their success of their sperm. So therefore, the penis acts as a way to ensure the sperm from any other potential male mates are removed (via from the penis head) so his sperm has the best chance. Its all biology and its all real. I took the class.
Edit* The vagina wraps around the penis
If you cheat you are putting your partners health at risk. Pretty sure you are morally obligated to let your partner know that.
Also – Ana’s face when Cenk is talking about ‘spreading his seed’ is juuuuust perfection.
that feeling when Cenk repeats the same wrong shit again and you can’t take it anymore… raaaaargh comment posting time.
I could gripe on the ‘men stick around long enough for the kid to be able to run away from lions’ theory but we can never fully know the social dynamics/relationship norms in pre-agricultural humans, so who knows, maybe he’s right. We are however, able to know the general life expectancy of our ancestors through various stages in human evolution (ie, longer lives before agricultural revolution-but that downturn was not due to evolution itself, we had evolved into basically ‘us’ well before then – dying earlier in settled times was due to diseases spread from animals and humans living in close proximity and working more hours of the day/physical demands changed, food sources changed etc) the repeated and incorrect info is that our ancestors didn’t have long lives – yah, they did. pre ag humans lived long lives, assuming they got past childhood/teens years. the childhood/infant mortality rates brings down the average so significantly that people just continue to believe that our ancestors had shorter lifespans. The average might be 35, but people could live to 70 in many areas and eras in our evolution. all dependent on locations/time etc so it’s not as simple as ‘they lived long lives’ but it’s also not as simple as ‘they lived til they were 23’.
I know this is of the cuff and conversational but damn, this repeated inaccuracy just GETS me.
End of Pointless Rant.
ok and another thing – in terms of who raises the kids – if you look at examples from ‘modern’ hunter gatherer societies it’s not one man, one woman raise one kid – the whole unit, all the families, mostly grannies spend time raising kids. the younger men and women spend a lot of time finding food because theyre the most able-bodied. there’s a reason why the human female lives far beyond her mating capability (ie, why do human women have menopause/other mammals just tend to die before reaching non-mating life stage). Grandmothers stick around in the tribe to help with child rearing (note: this is a theory, based on historical models of modern tribes) the whole ‘it takes a village’ saying comes from reality.
There’s also many competing theories about mother/fatherhood in pre ag times – one of my faves is that women would find sexual partners among her tribe, as she pleased, and when the child was born everyone was the father because dude A gave the child characteristic A, dude B, gave her child characteristic B etc and so on. It’s unlikely that the women knew who the sole father was if they were living in the kinds of societies that existed before the agricultural revolution. free love, baby. also, most likely NOT patriarchal societal structures.
Once you get to agricultural rev, people are eventually separated from tribe life and men could have better control of the women/were more certain which child was theirs/needed to be certain because they needed to use the kids for labour, to help feed their family unit / needed control over offspring because know they owned land and had value to pass on etc. Agriculture was a super bummer in a lot of ways, you guys.
Also the penis thing, hasn’t that been debunked? I thought that got debunked or at least ‘other theoried’..?
Read what Richard Dawkins and Helena Fischer have to say about biology.
Excellent post game, I wonder how the penis design (shovel and suction) discriminates between others sperm and the current inseminator? Damn! I just spread my seed and now my foreskin sucked it all out. Hmm, maybe a good design for those who don’t want kids.
If there is a moral failing in terms of infidelity it is this: jealousy brought on by possessiveness.
The infidelity would be no problem if nobody got jealous. As long as the committed couple can have sex with each other as often as they like what’s the problem with a little something on the side if there is no possessiveness of your mate but a willingness to share and therefore no jealousy? We’d all have a lot more sex if we got over our possessiveness. This sounds like a paragraph out of a swingers guide.
The suction action would occur during thrusting, thus clearing the way for the new insemination, which would largely be beyond the ‘suction’ point of what is ‘squeegee’d’ out. As it were.
Ejaculation is fast and furious – in reality, the design might help, but the strongest and fastest sperm are not the ones hanging futilely in the vagina. The strongest sperm are working towards the cervix pretty quickly, unless you are literally speaking of minutes before sex.
It’s something we had to explain to newbies who were ttc – the putting your legs up and raising your hips with a pillow post-intercourse to save sperm is a myth. It increases your odds of a UTI, not conception.
I had no idea they had post games on TYT.
You can have a lot of fun delving into the archives.
also if you don’t want to know, don’t snoop and look for secrets.