Post Game March 14, 2018

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Declassified military video shows UFO.

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  3. Great Show!!
    I always appreciate a good philosophical discussion.
    I can’t recommend ‘LOST’ enough for this exact reason. Even ‘The OA’ delves into this stuff in a unique way (just to name a couple).

  4. We are physically made of the stuff of stars, matter of the universe. The Law of Everything is omnipotent over all such matter and forces. Omnipresent.

    And the matter evolved into sentient life, life that looks back out to the universe ( if only for its next meal or a safe place for the night). Then sentience evolved the ability to reason, then the ability to reason about reasoning. And the longing to understand the Law of Everything ( the philosophical, spiritual, scientific, ethical and other theorists). It’s like the universe evolved a way to see itself.

    I think that our brains are the seat of our soul ( personality? ) that as it matures will have a tendency to wrap itself around a spirit ( selfishness, or a greater good in its many forms or philosophies) that will or will not be relevant to the Law of Everything.

    Where does our greater good and personality go when our corporeal existence turns back to dust? I think that any greater good came from the greatest good, the Law, and it will always have a place for us.

    Life is short, and i don’t want to live a life of merely trying to maintain an image, and just going through the motions of relationships. I can’t stand the idea of life like that, just living by expectations of culture or society.

  6. I’m not sure why there is so much confusion on consciousness. If we look at what is already proven. Our brain generates consciousness. Believing in anything else is believing in something that has no evidence or proof. When we die the electrons that flow through the neural pathways to the neurons stops first. “Poof” consciousness (processing) is now gone. Then our brain deteriorates therefore our memories do too. The molecules in our body slowly break down, and gets re-used in plants, water, animals, air, ect, ect. In a sense we will become apart of everything. That’s it…. end of story. A person is not even a speck in the grand universe. But we pretend we are so important by believing that we will be reincarnated, or that our consciousness will live on. Of course an afterlife would be great, but I’m not going to make stuff up to comfort myself.

    Just like our ancestors, they make up stuff because they don’t fully understand something due to primitive science and technology of that time. Sounds like we are doing the same thing now.

    1. Thank you for this “no-nonsense” explanation of DEATH. Cenk kept referring to the chemical reactions instead of the electrical firings.
      I have noticed that when some agnostics/atheists get 50 ish they start delving into spirituality. Not God. per se. but some type of “I will go on in some form” philosophy.
      Listening to Cenk on this PG was similar to listening to Deepak Chopra debating Lawrence Krause That is Chopra of the whoo-whoo philosophy.
      Yes. you can call me shallow, but mental porn gives me a headache. Btw – The cat is inside your head!

  7. I ab soul lutely loved this post game. Showed it to my adult kids and led to really nice discussions. I feel so much like Cenk about time, space and consciousness. Have always loved physics and philosophy and believe ‘our individual philosophy is just as valid as the ancient’s. Ana provided a beautiful commentary which is why I love you both and together you make each other shine brighter. Here here to oneness and the vastness of individual thought.

  8. The reason consciousness is so hard to understand, and the reason people invented the concept of the soul, is because the brain is not, and cannot be, aware of itself. Because of this people always start out assuming that they exist as something else trapped in their body, if you ask children they know intellectually that they have a brain and what it does, but they cannon grasp that they are their brain and body. You, as a person, are your body and brain and all the things they do and feel together. We just have such a great nervous system that it feels like a seamless experience and not like being in a box and like pulling levers and stuff like a robot would.
    I agree with what Cenk said that we should not be sad that we have to die, just feel lucky that you got to be alive for a moment because you could have just as easily not existed at all, and there are plenty of potential people who didn’t get to be here for one reason or another.

    1. And by the brain not being aware of itself I mean that you cannot feel your neurons firing like you can feel other parts of your body. We are aware of our limbs and whatnot, but we are not aware of the electrical signals that go from our brain to our limbs to make them move. We just decide to move and it happens and we feel the movement. You don’t feel the neurotransmitters inside your brain working, and you don’t feel your brain changing when you learn new things and form memories.

      1. You are talking about them. Being aware and having a sensation related to neurons activity is by far a feature. But you can be aware of something without seeing, feeling or observing it.

        Being self aware is “being aware of something”. It’s only when you turn that awareness to the subject “me” that you are self aware. Granted you can actually be self aware while doing tasks without losing focus but when you do certain things, I argue most things you do will occupy your awareness at times where you, per definition, aren’t actually self aware.

        Having an ability to focus awareness to aspects of yourself is not unique to humans and, unless you have psychological illness, a busy and stimulated human is rarely self-aware which is mostly triggered by anxiety in social situations, e.g “I am unsure of my looks, did I smile enough, don’t stare!” and so forth..

  10. Like other people said you must invite Dr Steven greer or at least watch “Unacknowledged”. You both are saying the same things as far as corruption, money in politics and who really controls the government. He will blow your mind cenk!!!!

  11. The Best thing that TYT could ever do is invite Dr Steven Greer on the show to discuss. But…. I would be very surprised if they have the guts to get him on …. I think TYT would no doubt be on the right side of the “UFO” issue… Dr. Greer has spent the past 25 yrs of his very professional career as a former ER Dr. with over 1000 interviewed intelligence people and the largest collection of official documents of proof. get him on, PLEASE!

  12. DeLong is unquestionably a pawn as part of the “Programs” disinformation program, The great and best expert on this matter Dr Steven Greer has told of Delong doing this in advance

  14. This got me in the feelers today. I lost my grandpa, who I was close with, 3 years ago almost to the day of watching this, and my grandma 2 years ago almost to the day. So my nerves are already exposed & raw at the memory of the loss. Hearing all this made my eyes leak. Blah!

  15. When you render a 3D model from a file, e.g “seeing” from “memory” the space is virtual and regardless of if you turn off your monitor your computer will project a form into a space and for memory and intelligence to work effectively you in a similar but different manner project virtual space and form from memory and fantasy – e.g comparable to 3D design software on a computer.

    If you were orbiting a black hole close enough to be affected by bent space-time the rendering on your computer on the spaceship as well as your own projection internally would slow down to an outside observer and thus the relative experience isn’t affected by that fact and thus I argue your theory lacks reason if it is to be accepted as outside of spacetime unless the cat rendered by a computer is included in very much the same way.

    If we can interpret imagery from an EEG it feels logical we can conclude that a human can interpret projected graphics on a screen, very much the same, the only difference is the build and components.

    I believe we’re not equipped with self awareness to question it because unlike every other evolutionary feature we inhabit it doesn’t serve any obviously or observable benefits. Being sentient did however help us inherit the planet, and like most evolutionary features you have to take a position on the question: By design or Darwinism which should logically conclude the very dissapointing but unfortunately just as likely explaination:

    Self awareness is a man made concept only really interesting to those who have the means to ponder problems beyond survival. E.g I doubt even the ancient greeks would have defined logic and to some extent reason if it wasn’t for slaves and prosperety, leaving the wealthy with issues most likely spurred by lack of real problems to solve in order to survive.

    Anyway, that’s my take on the topic Cenk

  16. Cenk I am right there with you on the multiple dimensions. If you ask someone what dimension we are in they would say the 3rd, but really it’s the south, lenth, hight depth and time or space/time.check out logic album “Everybody” the skits with Niel Degrassi Tyson makes a lot of sense. I have been following tyt on YouTube for the last four years and I am so pourd to finally be a member. Can’t wait to buy my first merch

  17. Hey Cenk, Thank-you for your comments on consciousness being outside of time and space; best TYT show ever! Your ideas remind me of the Shurangama Sutra, a Buddhist text, in which the Buddha asks Ananda where the mind is located, and after the Buddha uses analogies to counter Ananda’s attempts to answer the question, the Buddha explains that everything is within the true mind.

  18. Also, we can actually take someones mental images and project them. Neurons fire in a certain way and they produce these things. Our consciousness is just our brains interpreting data given genetics and personal experience.

  19. Cenk, if you look at the right side you have a radar guidance number (or something along those lines) those codes are specific to area. I’ve been told that 1688 is east coast, but the two videos are said to be on the opposite sides on the US and roughly 10 years apart. I think that’s a lie.

  20. To be honest, I like when Cenk talks philosophy because he talks as someone who isn’t heavily educated in it would. He asks the basic questions of which there are theories, but no definitive proof; whereas someone educated in it would talk over most people’s heads, and often times miss the essence of the question, trapped in the minutiae.

    It’d be cool if they brought experts on to talk about possible answers to his questions. Don’t get why SciQ isn’t uploaded to the main site.

  21. i love to listen to Cenk’s theories, but he should realize Ana is not the one to discuss it with. Her face goes blank and her eyes glaze over, deep is not her thing.

  22. I don’t think we need to worry about the intentions of aliens. You may have video proof now but this has been going on for a very long time. This phenomena goes back to ancient times , it is in ancient Egyptian, Rome, and Greek history and even mentioned in the Bible. This is not the first time military reports have mentioned it, your government has been tracking it since we could fly. If they are real and they were interested in us we would have known a long time ago.

  23. To Serve Man.

    Why doesn’t anyone ask where they were before they were born? You don’t exist before you are born or after you die. People just don’t like that idea so they think they must exist somewhere after they die.

    That teacher failed pretty hard.

  24. Stephen Hawking shed this mortal coil at the right time.

    Is there life out there in the universe? Absolutely.

    Does ANY of them have an inkling we exist? Maybe, we have been sending out radio signals for a long time. That someone actually stumbled on the “Golden Record” sent out in the 70s? Probably not, but maybe.

    My opinion leans toward Hawking’s … we do NOT want them finding us.

    I remember a short story (Ray Bradbury? Can’t remember) about human society slowly separating into two camps of the sexes. Male humans began to kill female humans they felt any affection or sexual feeling for. The story goes on with women being driven into hiding, and even men who loved their mothers, daughters, etc would at some point uncontrollably kill them.

    Flash forward to end of story. Aliens are calculating how many more years it will take for them to SAVE the Earth from the parasites. Seems they sprayed the atmosphere with a hormone-based “pesticide.” The pesticide would end the possibility of breeding among humans, and all they had to do was wait.
    Pretty simple.

    I vote “No” on aliens coming here. More likely the Defense Dept or some other countries billionaire is planning the next drone level.

  26. Oh god, not Tom DeLonge…. he is a charlatan, even watching him during the Joe Rogan show, made me think he was full of shit.

    And please this videos dont show anything unknown, I can make better videos than this… so Fake.

  27. You can only see this at TYT this is awesome. But that’s the best way to love to cherish life weather it’s the ultimate end or not, If it is the end you won’t know you’re dead if it’s not then buckle up for the ride. It’s fascinating.

    1. You can only see this at TYT this is awesome. But that’s the best way to love to cherish life wether it’s the ultimate end or not, If it is the end you won’t know you’re dead if it’s not then buckle up for the ride. It’s fascinating.

    2. Guys I was trying to edit my comment I just realized there’s only reply lol. Please add an edit button.

  28. Regarding what happens to us after death, my preferred stance is to adhere to Rick Sanchez’s advice, “The answer is: don’t think about it.”

  29. Cenk is very closely describing the concept of Biocentrism. It is based in discoveries of quantum mechanics to try and explain what consciousness is. Check out Beyond Biocentrism by Robert Lanza and Bob Berman. It’s a really interesting read and you don’t need to have formal scientific background to understand it. I’m almost through it myself and I have really enjoyed it. Here is the link:

    https://m.barnesandnoble.com/w/beyond-biocentrism-robert-lanza/1122668112

    Enjoy!

  30. Ana when life is over you live on through the people who knew you. I will live on through my kids and grandchildren. There is most likely no heaven or hell. Have a child or adopt one you will live on through their memories.

    1. How long does that last? Do you remember your great-grandparents very well or your great-great-grandparents at all?

  31. I’m retired from NASA, there is no evidence of aliens ever coming here. Cenk is right Alien life would be so advanced we would have no way of communicating. I believe there are many planets similar to earth but they would be so far away they may not be advanced enough to get here or so advanced they may have no interest in us. We probably won’t know in our lifetime.

      1. In Contact, it was prime numbers IIRC. Or maybe in other books or movies that I am remembering that from too.

  35. Yo dawg cool stories and everything but what’s up with the Ken Bone interview? There was a lot of hype about it earlier this week and apparently the interview took place but it’s nowhere online

  36. Sometims while I listen to Cenk dabble with science and philosophy, I want to get stabbed in the neck gently and expire in a prolongued bleed, as I reflect on the fact that I will never even accidentally hear this nonsense again.

    1. ZuS, I shall gladly indulge your wish if only you will return the favour.

      Cenk is a brilliant political analyst. Unfortunately, he knows very little about anything outside of politics. Science, philosophy, religion, history… it’s all painful to listen to him expound on. His claim that there are no scientist who don’t believe in extra-terrestrial life made me laugh out loud, and I almost never laugh outside of social interactions.

      1. Can you give me a single example of a credible scientist who does not believe in extraterrestrial life?

        After all, it’s a mathematical certainty.

        Extraterrestrial life coming to us or vice-versa is a different story…

        But in essence, you’re right. Cenk talking about science is always funny, John should have been there to give a little more substance ;-P

        2. it’s a mathematical certainty? Can you show me this math? We have one planet we know contains life, and that’s all we know. I’d like to see math that takes billions of unknown variables, with one data point of knowledge and from that creates “mathematical certainty.” So far, the only “math” I’ve seen on this is that space is really really really big, with lots of planets and stars. So, some of them “must” contain life. I don’t see why that must be, and why it isn’t as equally probable than none do. It seems like total wishful thinking and the influence of movies masquerading as some kind of scientific or mathematical hypothesis.

    2. Thank you for the LOL. And, yes, sadly, I agree.

      But I must admit, there is something peculiarly engaging about the humongous confidence with which Cenk expounds on topics he knows nothing about. Like a precocious five-year-old who is making no real sense, but he is expanding his vocabulary, even when he does not use the words in correct context. Kind of cute. And yet, annoying.

  37. What a gem of a post game. I’ve actually bookmarked it to watch it again.

    I have so many thoughts about your topics, but damn it’s late, and I’m tired.

    I will definitely come back to chat about this.

    Super last thing…
    Cenk, I’ve been a firm believer in your newfound theories about consciousness after the body dies for quite some time now. IMHO, consciousness has a high probability of existing beyond time and space, and I’m pleased to see an Atheist find that realization.

    Kudos on a great post game.

    1. Amit Goswami posits that consciousness is a universal constant we tap into. Our brains do not create consciousness.

      See my response lower on the page. I put a link to JRE #334.

  39. My father was a RAF Vulcan pilot during the 70’s. The payload was the Blue Steel nuclear bomb. He said that they saw cigar shaped objects close to them twice.

  41. Life and time, the past is composed of memory, the present is living, and the future is composed of hopes and fears.

  42. The problem with Cenk’s philosophy, I think, is that it presumes that consciousness is matter, “stuff”, that must “be somewhere”.

    It clearly is not “stuff”, it is, like everything (including matter itself), relationships… relationships between different regions of the brain, which are themselves relationships between neurons, which are themselves relationships between cells, which are themselves vast relationships between cellular organelles, lipids, messenger chemicals… and so on, all the way down the chain.

    So, it is illusory thinking to expect consciousness to reside somewhere, relationships don’t quite reside anywhere.

    2. Considering that life is (only or mostly, you decide) an intricate web of chemical reactions, this metaphor is very on point. Thank you!

    3. On the money. I’m subscribing to the school of Batty, “tears in the rain” but I really dig this fire to smoke metaphor. Condolences to Ana and family, hang in there folks.

  44. I took such joy from this conversation and love the fact you take the time to discuss some of the more profound and metaphysical questions in life. Such fun! But please, don’t forget to give us your take on education. It is such a challenging time to be a parent and figure out the best path for educating our children. It’s one of those issues that touches on almost every other social dynamic: culture, race, economics, religion, civil rights, crime, gender, family, democracy. You could devote a whole show to education and these dynamics and barely scratch the surface. Looking forward to your insights!

    1. I would love them to touch on the topic of “humane education” which is taught in some public schools in some states now I believe. It basically helps kids to understand concepts of empathy. There are things we can do to reduce violence in our society–we make the choice whether or not to do them.

  45. I guess what Cenk was trying to articulate was consciousness and knowledge that is completely free of the physical senses. It’s what meditation in its most intense form aims to achieve.
    You concentrate all your physical senses on an object (not a physical object, your mental image of it, let’s call it “god” to keep things easy). Now all your senses are completely consumed by this “god” object. In such a state, with luck – your mind may be suddenly able to drop that mental image, with your physical senses still completely tied to it. In this situation, you have achieved a state of existence completely untethered from your physical senses and the effect they would normally have in the way you perceive reality (also known as Maya).Once you come back to the reality of your physical senses, it’s not possible to describe what you experienced in your state liberated from Maya, since there are no basic definitions or descriptors of existence that agree in the two states.

    Well, if you don’t believe that, at least it was a good story.

  46. I never understood Cenk’s philosophy based on relativity. Ok, so time and space (or more accurately space-time) is relative and is based on gravity and the stretching of space-time, but what does that have to do with consciousness? To me is sounds like a scientific fact that randomly goes into a philosophical theory.

  47. Neil Degrasse Tyson has said and I paraphrasing some what he said when he was Larry King last year:

    ..maybe there is life that is so intelligent that it doesn’t consider us intelligent imagine they look at us like… neanderthals they wouldn’t even waste there time with us anymore than we would if we saw a worm on the sidewalk we wouldn’t be like I wonder what the worm is thinking no you don’t care.

    So aliens have not tried to contact us because they most likely think we are stupid and primitive beings who can’t even travel outside their own solar system.

  48. It looks like they accidentally overwrote the old post game from Mar 14? Wanted to comment on it that there should be a single serving page just listing the dumbest thing Trump has said in the last 24 hours. I’m sure you could make tons in ad revenue.

  49. Time and space is not constant on this earth either cenk . we all experience time differently but it’s depends on where you are on earth . like for example on a plane or sitting on bench or ride a motoctyle , when you are moving you feel time differently . Btw you should read neil degrasse tyson astrophysict for people in a hurry . hope you see this message cenk

    1. also if you have adhd you very much experience time differently to someone who doesn’t have adhd. hard to explain but suffice to say, not super helpful for this modern world we live in. 60,000 years ago, i would have been so helpful to my tribe. le sigh.

      1. The way I explained it to my brother is that our experience of time (how fast it is moving for us) is dependent on the rates of specific chemical reactions in the body. This may not be entirely accurate, but it got the point across. To your point, GeoT: assuming that with ADHD certain reactions proceed at not-standard rates (which is a large assumption. I don’t know enough about ADHD to say for certain) and some of those affected reactions are those that determine time perception, then it would make sense that people with ADHD would perceive time differently than those without (at least to some degree).
        To clarify, my reasoning is more of a thought experiment I use to connect time perception to physiology, not something tested (that I know of).

  50. Am I the only one who is connecting these recently declassified videos with Trump’s interest in a “Space Force”? After all he did call it a “war-fighting domain” … dun dun duuuuun!! My dad worked for DoD for 27 years and after his security clearance expired he told me some wild stories. If I hadn’t heard it from him I wouldn’t believe any of it. Still hard to believe but I don’t have any good reason to think he made it all up.

    2. oh man, now that is a scary thought–Trump thinking he can win a space war against interplanetary visitors. We are doomed. Lock him up!

  51. Cenk,
    Your Ideas about “consciousness” are as old as existence itself. All ancient mystical traditions are based on this – Especially the spirituality of India – Vedanta, non-dualism, etc.

    But it is just a philosophy. It is useless without practice and meditation.
    Meditation introduces presence into out life.
    Our mind creates time – past and future are time, which the mind needs to uphold the false self.

    Existence is “sat-chit-ananda”.
    Existence, knowledge and bliss.

    The same mystics were also amazing spiritual scientists, and they said the same things that the neuroscientists and quantum physicists are saying today, but They said them thousands of years ago.

    Look into the Books of Amit Goswami.

  52. The posting date and comments are from yesterday’s post game, but the video and headline are up to date, so I’ll assume everything is fine.

    On Cenk’s philosophy, I largely agree. The idea of consciousness being the lens through which we experience is existence is something I’ve been thinking about and trying to explain to other people. I am also an atheist and I’ve been speaking with young, devout Christians about how I might view spirituality. It’s sort of like the schrodinger’s cat experiment where we cannot perceive if the cat is alive or dead until we open the box.

    Imagine a world in which no sentient life exists. Perhaps Earth during the time of microbial life. The microbes can’t, I think, ponder their own existence. There may have been a moment when the first life form developed consciousness. Let’s look specifically at that moment. That is the first time a mind recognized that anything existed because before that, nothing was perceived by a sentient mind, only by other things through instinctual responses. I bring attention to this moment because we view the world through our consciousness, in the form of ideas, and so anything before that moment has no connection to consciousness aside from the idea that it must have existed.

    This consciousness then can live and experience things and record memories and develop ideas. Nothing that they do will matter, though, if their ideas die with them. If they die before another consciousness can interact with them, their memories and ideas will not pass on and they’ll die and their remains will return to the earth. If they do interact with another consciousness, though, then they will be perceived and each of these consciousnesses will exist in the memories of each other. Not only does that first consciousness recognize that the world exists, but someone else now can recognize that they exist. Again, we are connected to history and to existence by our consciousness because it is in our consciousness that we perceive the world.

    I would posit that the true power in the universe is the extent to which consciousness can spread and propagate itself. We are sentient beings with consciousness and so by populating the earth (and beyond) we spread our consciousness. People have learned from each other by studying and we have searched not only for the rules of the universe, but also for the rules that govern intersocial experiences. One person, without history and all the consciousness that they have access to in the form of others (including the written word that was created by other consciousness), cannot build a rocket that launches into space. One person cannot make a talk show, they’ll have no audience. Everything that we have accomplished in history, everything that we can enjoy today, is the product of shared knowledge and effort. It is all the product of shared consciousness. Our existence, too, is the product of shared consciousness (not just procreation, but going back to the idea that we cannot establish our own existence without sharing it with another consciousness). Without shared consciousness, we would die and our existence would end. With it, we did exist, we do exist, and we will exist.

    Back to my political philosophy paper.

  53. Coffee + butter is called diesel fuel. Haha
    But on a serious note, the reason diets probably never worked for Cenk is because he is a high stress individual who probably doesn’t sleep very well. If you’re stressed all the time your body is going to store every calorie it gets because it thinks you’re in danger. Get on some yoga and sleep more and I bet you drop weight doing nothing.

  54. I think Cenk is doing what anorectics do. They have certain foods they like to eat since it is easier for them not to overdo it (in their minds). I think they call them “safe” foods. Of course, I’m sure Cenk is eating a lot more than that.

    I do NOT have conapathy about Old School Old School. Can’t wait!

  55. Cenk is totally correct when he talks about how people in Washington view Nancy Pelosi. I was pulling my hair out watching CNN on the night of the PA Special Election because every host/contributor at CNN was like “Oh Lamb MUST be to the right of Pelosi because he criticizes her” as if she couldn’t possibly be criticized from the left… :/

  56. I agree 100% percent. Lots of good complex carbs like vegetables, fruit, nuts, seeds, moderate protein in meat and/or dairy, very sparingly white starchy simple carbs like pastas and breads, potatoes.

    I think Michael Pollan sums it up nicely in his book “Food Rules”. He says everything you need to know about healthy eating can be summed up in 7 words, “eat food, mostly plants, not too much”.

  57. For a minute there I was considering giving Cenk’s PBS diet a chance… I mean, what do I have to lose? (other than weight!) I like all of those things, so I could eat them! But then I read ‘fe fi fo fom’s comment, and the word ‘steak’…. and I went “ooh, that would be hard to give up… I live for steak…”……… And then I continued reading, and they said ‘juicy cheeseburger’ and I was out! End of this. No PBS diet for me…. This girl will stay fat, thanks.

  58. A cheeseburger is always better than celery lol. And I have had both an apple and a piece of cardboard made to look like an apple, and I can confirm they do not taste anything alike haha sorry no beef uhh pun intended, but I just had to have a laugh. I loved reading your comment actually cos I learned me something and I always like learning. I have to be honest though, I really want a cheeseburger now..

  59. To Cenk’s opening : How Larry trots out a question and yr answer resonates with the camera guy…(Nodding head) Yeah. Insular, going where no talk wonks have gone before, or, not. Not being stooges. Flipping it.

  60. FOR GODS SAKE… “Diets” don’t work… oh and for that keto diet, look up ketoacidosis (short story, you can die). If a diet is taking out an entire food group (proteins, fats or carbs; notice i say proteins and not meat bc plants have proteins as well ;) ) it is a marketing thing. Yes if you deprive your body of energy, you body well use your energy reserves. I agree with what Cenk’s wife later did, which is eat mostly healthy food which in turns pushes out unhealthy ones. Never want to take out foods but push them out. If someone is really into a science based, research based diet look into the china study. If reading a book seems to long, short story is: Eat mostly WHOLE unprocessed vegetables and fruits with animal products (meat, cheese, milk, eggs, etc) more as a seasoning. Don’t think of a steak as the main dish but more as the dessert. But salads suck. And yeah of course they suck if a person is use to eating fatty unhealthy food all the time. If a person only ever had candy and then had an apple they would say “eww this taste like cardboard”. They wouldn’t be wrong either. Everything is an acquired taste, so if you eat healthy foods long enough they will start to taste better. Of course a juicy cheese burger will always be > then celery.

    1. ketoacidosis is really only an issue for people with diabetes – but i will second the notion that you should be careful with keto – it’s not for everyone, always consult a GP who has knowledge on the subject. My GP is a keto/lchf nerd and my psych is a ‘china study’ nerd so i get the best of both worlds! Keto (sadly) works for my body because I have insulin resistance so ‘just eating healthy’ doesn’t really work for me, but is also makes my brain go a tad nutso since I have ADHD and sugars (even natural to an extent, like in fruits) help ‘calm down’ my whirring thought tornados…. when normal people do keto they say ‘once you cut the sugar your mind is clearer, like a fog lifted!’ but for me that fog lift makes it so that I have 10 thoughts bouncing around at once instead of 3 or 4 and i get significantly less functional for real world interaction/activities. So yeah, psych is wanting me to scale back at some point and maybe do it intermittently for the insulin reasons… But yesterday’s nonsense about ‘all you do is eat butter’ is …nonsense! I see Keto as primarily a vegetable diet with healthy fats and animal proteins thrown in for balance.

      bodies are complicated – no one way of eating works for every body. if everybody is different, everybody is gonna need different approach to their fuel sources.

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