TYT Hour 1 February 12, 2018

In The Young Turks Hour 1 - On Demand by Gigi Manukyan51 Comments

Cenk. HS teacher fired for being a lesbian. Miami TV producer’s racial comments. NYPD Precinct tweets “Black Lives Matter”, gets hate. Woman removed From West Virginia hearing after listing lawmakers’ oil & gas donors. Lobbyists mingled w/ state legislators at closed-door policy retreat. Trump releases 2019 budget with $3 trillion in cuts. Trump cutting Medicare funds from budget.


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  2. Relative to your story on WV, I agree with your position on campaign contributions of fossil fuel interests biassing the committee voting on the issue. I do want to give some context for why they want to allow drilling or mining on land with only a minimum of 75% of landowners agreeing. We had the same issue and same proposed solution in Kentucky several years ago.

    The problem stems from the land inheritance practices in the Appalachians. Because it was several years ago, I may have some details wrong. However, with each generation, the land of the parents would be split into smaller parcels (or perhaps joint ownership) so that after a few generations a parcel of land may have multiple owners. This is particularly complicated when one of the heirs leaves the area, then dies and leaves their share to descendents, and possibly the descendents again split it to their descendents. This results in a lot of absentee ownership of small parcels of land that is many times not recorded at the county deeds office (deeds out of date with deceased owners). Not sure how this works out on property tax payments. Sometimes not all parts of the common relatives have maintained contact to know where these current owners currently reside. When the land had little value, this was not much a problem, particularly when the land was wooded hillside whose only income would be if it were logged and some shared use by those living there is accepted.

    This becomes a major headache for the “landman” for the coal or gas company trying to assemble parcels to allow mining or drilling. Getting 100% of all property owners identified and found, let alone to agree, was a major problem, and unlike a holdout at a shopping center where the developer can go around the holdout, particularly for oil and gas, that under the holdout’s property cannot be left in place because of the physics of the way these flow underground. It could be done with coal, but if the seam is very deep, leaving enough coal in place to fully support the ground surface of the of the holdout with underground mining would be very expensive because of what is called the angle of draw. This is the angle projected down from the property line to the mine that defines the prohibited area where very little coal may be extracted, even outside the holdout’s property, to protect against damaging ground movements at the ground surface. A similar issue applies to surface mining, plus there is the requirement to preserve access to the parcel left on the pedistal remaining, though regrading requirements at the conclusion of mining mitigate this last requirement.

    I don’t recall how this worked out. I do recall that a management official of the state mining regulation department resigned over his objection to allowing a permit to be issued with less than 100% of landowners having approved. It is too long ago for my memory, but you could check with Kentucky Resources Council or others who would have followed it more closely.

  4. I don’t understand all the complaints on here about Russia/Trump stories. They don’t talk that much about Russia (at least compared to MSNBC) and Trump stories are obviously important since he is the damn president, as depressing as that may be. Great job today, Cenk. I loved the fire you brought!

    1. The more and more I dig into it, the more obvious it becomes that Russia is being used as a way to divert our attention off of the real issues, and that any effect that happened because of Russia’s meddling is quite negligible. That said, it doesn’t hurt to mention things about Russia from time to time as long as we’re not painting them out to be a huge enemy of America or something like that, because they’re not. Putin is a problem for his own people, that’s for Russians to figure out. Russian propaganda has long painted themselves the victim of Western meddling, but now the US propaganda outlets are taking the same tact, and that’s inexcusable and we do have to fight against that. Russia is not the cause of any of our domestic problems, not even Trump.

      At the same time, I can’t stand the tone Jimmy Dore is taking right now with saying that people who report on Russia, Cenk included, are either stupid or purposefully lying. That is divisive bullshit and has to stop. Cenk’s opinion on Russia is relevant, not because Russia gave us Trump, but because Trump is our President now and Russia has the power to expose Trump for his obvious crimes. It seems that because of the new Cold War we have to take sides, and that is a false argument. Russia can have some power over Trump without there having been a deal, and just because Russia has some power over Trump (because of his own actions) doesn’t mean that Russia is now the enemy and we have to use Red-baiting and McCarthyism.

      The lefties that say Russia gave us Trump claim that everyone that doesn’t agree with them is a Putin Puppet or apologist or defender. The ones who are sick of hearing that Putin is a mastermind and devised a scheme to put a puppet in the White House then end up calling anyone who dare mention that Russia now may have leverage over us Propagandists and tools. Both of these sides are wrong. End rant. Hope it made sense, lol.

  5. No Russia story is a miracle. I recently cancelled my membership because the show was rinse and repeat each day with no other news.

    I don’t mind a bit of coverage, but they were missing big stories to focus purely on Trump. (which is news, but it was losing perspective/ my personal interest. )

    More days like this I’d consider renewal down the road.

  6. So His Holiness Pope Cenk XXXIII has issued an encyclical telling the Catholic church conducts its affairs and as usual it is naive to the point of absurdity.

    Their religion their rules, don’t like them criticize them but don’t do what the republicans have been doing these past two decades telling us what is true Islam or and is not true Islam and concluding, for their nefarious objectives, that ISIS are the real muslims and that all the 1.6 billion muslims who do not follow ISIS are not (and therefore apostates but funnily enough it still does not give them a pass).

    1. A lot of people like it. I really do. I want more Russia news. It’s probably the biggest political scandal in modern history.

      1. Its the political scandal that is getting the most amount of attention in modern history. Fixed it for you. I think what really happened is very minor, and there wasn’t any deal. Trump knows that Russia has power to reveal his money laundering, but he didn’t ask for favors and he didn’t even want to be President, according to people from his own campaign and those that were close to him during that time. It was a publicity stunt for him to embiggen his brand, possibly start an ultra-conservative network. Trump may love the attention he gets from rallies, but he knows he’s a crook and doesn’t love the attention he’s getting from officials, that’s why he wants to normalize autocratic decision making. That’s the only way in which Russia is the big political scandal, but the reality is that Russia isn’t the center of it, its that a massive crook is our President and he’s giving away our country moreso that any other President has dared try to his Real Estate and Wall Street crook buddies.

        1. I disagree. I absolutely believe there was money laundering and that there was a deal on the table – relief of the debt owed to various oligarchs, agreements to move forward on a Moscow hotel (which he always wanted) and assistance in the election (which he didn’t understand the format of or the illegality of) in return for sanctions relief. I just don’t think he ever expected to get caught because I don’t think he expected to win, even with Russian aid. The insanity of the campaign trail? The look of dawning horror as he realizes he’s winning? Yeah, it fits. He wanted to embiggen his brand and cut a deal with Russians and per his usual course, assumed he’d get out it by not winning, and therefore being unable to follow through anywhere.

          Oops. Turns out the targeted analytics and bot farms were better than expected. Turns out the NY FBI field office, Rudy Guiliani, Eric Prince and others had a nice little scheme going to hurt Hillary that worked better than anticipated. Turns out Americans really didn’t like Hillary Clinton. Turns out people were pretty angry with continuing a status quo that didn’t work for them. Turns out people were more racist than I realized.

          Also, there is absolutely money laundering.

    2. I was thinking the same thing. If I want to be fed New McCarthyism, I’ll turn MSNBC or just about anything else. Right now, the only reason why I keep my TYT membership (I think I have two of them) is because of Aggressive Progressive.

      I hope enough people at TYT realize that the Trump-Russian collusion narrative is bullshit. I’m not sure if this hour of coverage is a sign of things to come, but I hope that Cenk is wising up.

      Yes, Trump probably did money laundering and other shady shit. No, the Russians didn’t hack our fucking election; the Hillary campaign, DNC, and good ole American corporations and oligarchs did that.

      One random side point: Does the TYT audience really care about Dan Rather? I sure don’t.

      1. Well, no, the Russians did hack our election. They used pretty sophisticated analytics to target audiences with fake news and bots to fan anger and discord among populations primed to react negatively against the Dems. They hacked the email of multiple opponents of Donald Trump. They hacked into the voter rolls of at least 21 states and attempted to hack election machines themselves, though we were told there were no votes changed or manipulated.

        I think what you mean is that Russians are not responsible for the outcome of the election, which is a fair and true statement. The fact that they were into nearly half of our state systems two years ago and have not stopped since (as there is no disincentive to cease and desist), and the vulnerability of our actual election machinery should give susbstantial concern. Blue wave, yadda yadda – it doesn’t matter unless people show up to vote in November, but given what we know and how ill-prepared we are, it may not matter even if they do.

  8. Great show today, was great to get stories other than just Russia and Trump, thanks.

    Is it possible to add TYT field reporters on the live show from time to time to expand on some of the stories their doing in the field….. Emma V did a great story on missing $800M funds from Pentagon https://youtu.be/mk4zRCV-tV8, David Sirota’s report on Koch Brothers and Paul Ryan https://youtu.be/DCWlRFla37E or Eric Byler’s live reporting with Ady Barkan & United We Dream at the Capitol last week.

    1. Yes yes yes! I’ve been dying for them to more fully feature the work of the TYT Reporters instead of sourcing the vast majority of their stuff from other outlets, especially MSM outlets like NYTimes and WaPost.

  9. I’m sorry, not being censored. Apparently I pressed the submit button more than once for each of my comments

  10. A Centrist Democrat (ie.pro-choice REPUBLICAN) who corrupts the NewDEAL name for mining/oil industry.

    Tell me again why DNC-NeoLib Clintoncrats are a “necessary evil?”

    Purge them ALL.

    1. I have no problem in purging them, however this takes time and needs careful planning Sometimes we need to tolerate a Donnelly one more term because no matter how much you don’t like those “neo-liberal Clintonites” they still vote 7 times out of 10 for our team. Replacing them with people from the other side will get you people who vote 10 times out of 10 against you.

        1. Well Rome was not built in a day. It took Republican conservative activists 24 years to purge the republican party from high tax pro-New Deal socially liberal politicians. Right now the Dems have already purged 60% of the moderate Clintonites (the progressive Caucus is 60% of the Dem delegation) and with more activism on the primary level they will succeed in purging the rest.

          In the meantime it is better to get 70% of what you want then nothing.

    1. Or you’re not good at commenting and/or interneting? lol, your other comments are on this page, right underneath this ridiculous one.

  13. Herr Trumpler has made it safe for racist creeps to crawl out of the sewer to spew their rot, “finally” according to one racist.

  14. Cenk, you do not get to tell people what parts of the bible they should follow. Private institutions have the freedom to enforce rules the way they see fit. Sins can come in degrees and eating lobster is obviously not viewed by that establishment as being the same degree as same sex marriage.

    One can be against this teacher being fired while at the same time pointing out that Cenk’s third-grade logic really brings nothing to the discussion.

  15. The odd part about being a fiscal conservative is that you soon realize that political conservatives don’t care about that and are the least fiscally responsible party! Ironically, the parties that spend on social programs decrease the debt the least, perhaps because the economy actually does better under their reign.

  16. Why the heck was the firing of a lesbian teacher made the lead story at the top of the hour and not the billions of dollars of cuts to Medicare, Social Security, and Food Stamps that tens of millions of Americans like myself rely on? To be clear, I’m totally cool with lesbians and think that was an absolutely newsworthy story, though perhaps a 2nd hour story since it was mainly a social issue.

        1. people who complain about “identity politics” tend to think of white identity politics as just “politics”. Being white and male is an identity, and saying things that may not affect white men are somehow not real politics is one of the ways that privilege makes you blind.

  18. No RussiaGate stories!!!!!!!! Way to go Cenk. What a really great show today. These are the stories that can fire people up. These are the stories your viewers have been clamoring for. Can you avoid RussiaGate two days in a row?

    Let’s see what happens.

  19. Racist story, my dad was a super racist, strangely he was also a progressive. Human rights, abortion, he understood. I have a gay son, he never blinked. African Americans? Not so much. I remember my mom forcing him to pull the car over when we saw a little kid during the race riots in Grand Rapids in the late 60’s, early 70’s. “Jerry, unlock that damn door, and stop being so afraid of someone because they have different skin than you.” Then she turned to us and lectured us about how racism damages humans. Sometimes I hear my dad’s voice, and I have to shut it up, and remember mom’s. In all fairness, my dad died last year someone who had changed over his lifetime completely. He was someone who had no issues with anyone else, except people who are super right wing.

  20. I’m an atheist, but I was a Bible thumper for a long time. You don’t need to search more in Leviticus, the next verse, after the infamous Leviticus bs is about not rotating crops. Further, King James, Jesus was asked which testament was the most important his reply (whatever), “The first and greatest commandment is, thou shall love the lord thy God with all they heart and all they mind and the second is like unto us, thou shall love thy neighbor as thyself. On these two commandments, hang all the law and the prophets.”

    Nothing about two women together. You’re also supposed to stone your daughter for having sex outside of marriage. That seems to be across everything that is from the religions of the book, Jewish, Christian, Islam.

    My son is gay. I worry for him incredibly,

  23. Thank you so much Cenk for an almost Trump-free and progressive-centric first hour, also your great guests on Rebel HQ. You do listen to your members! Gave me an extra shot of optimism today.

  24. @Cenk, the Catholic school would probably argue that the food law you mentioned is explicitly retired as of Acts chapters 11:4-9

    4 Starting from the beginning, Peter told them the whole story: 5 “I was in the city of Joppa praying, and in a trance I saw a vision. I saw something like a large sheet being let down from heaven by its four corners, and it came down to where I was. 6 I looked into it and saw four-footed animals of the earth, wild beasts, reptiles and birds. 7 Then I heard a voice telling me, ‘Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.’

    8 “I replied, ‘Surely not, Lord! Nothing impure or unclean has ever entered my mouth.’

    9 “The voice spoke from heaven a second time, ‘Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.’ 10 This happened three times, and then it was all pulled up to heaven again.

    I am a Christian and I am against picking verses out of context and rather let the full message of Jesus speak which is of love and acceptance, just like the parent said. If anyone is really curious and has not read the Bible recently (or ever). I encourage you to read all the epistles in one sitting and then ponder on the ultimate message. You will see what I mean.

    3. sooo even if we eliminate the Leviticus food laws, what about sexual relations on a woman’s period? Sowing two different seeds in a field? Wearing clothes woven of two kinds of material? Should adultery still be punishable by death?

  27. screaming about N****s in public is definitely one of the top ways to instantly lose your job. right up there with shitting on a director’s desk. i guess deeply racist people aren’t too intelligent.

  28. I was enjoying the first hour, but then it went long, and all I could think was “He’s stealing Ana’s time! He’s stealing Ana’s time!”

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