TYT Hour 1 January 24, 2018

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Cenk & John. Limbaugh’s Iraq War-Deep State conspiracy. Tony Perkins: Trump gets a Muligan from Evangelicals for Stormy Daniels. Patrick Meehan sexual harassment case. How Comcast spending its tax windfall. Trump’s solar tariffs clouding the
industry’s future. Pennsylvania Supreme Court rules state congressional map unconstitutional.

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  3. Love you Cenk. But The Meehan piece was so off the mark for me. I know you mean well but you really missed the issue. Do you have any idea how uncomfortable and scary it is to work for someone that has that kind of power over you who professes their love for you? He’s your boss and your career and livelihood is in his hand. And having to face this person, who probably fell in love with you based on that presumption of power is really a complete nightmare. You feel absolutely powerless. And you can’t tell him off and he is a Very powerful Senator that can, and who knows, probably would, destroy your future. I don’t believe in monsters but his behavior was monstrous. The kind of guy who writes you letters and says you invited them to do it. Even though you have a boyfriend that you were probably scared he would find out about. The woman is just trying to do her job and have a private life. It’s the reason why, if it was the janitor who wrote that letter to her, he would be fired, immediately. He needs to keep his feelings and emotions to himself. Period.

  4. I listened to Limbaugh religiously in the lead up to the Iraq war and I will never forget the November 2002 episode where he did mental gymnastics about Salman Pak (an Iraqi military facility) and how all the weapons are there and that those weapons could not be inspected nor moved and that the US will get Iraq with their pants down if they invaded now.

    When the US entered Salman Pak in the Spring of next year and a listener asked about where the WMDs Rush went ballistic.

  5. Who is in charge of the districting? Whose doing the gerrymandering in PA? I mean, the Republicans, yes, but what organization is in charge of drawing the district lines. I keep hearing “they” “when they draw the lines.” Who draws the lines, and how are they allowed to get away with that?

  8. Anyone getting this via the podcast? This the first time it got the video instead of just the audio. Is this how it’s going to be from now on? Honestly I’d prefer to still have the option to get the audio only of the members podcast. Thanks

  10. Nationalize and break up are two different things. Like Cenk, I don’t agree with just nationalizing telcom companies, I DO agree that they should be broken up, just like the banks: we should reinstate the Glass-Stegall act, break up the banks along investment / savings. Then we should have a 21st century Law along those lines that first definitively defines the internet as a “utility”, second demands all content be treated equally, and then forbids telcom companies from owning media companies. Then they break up the big telcoms along those lines: they must be internet utilities or content providers: not both.

    1. Breaking up the banks would be good, reinstating Glass-Steagall to pre-1999 status* is wrong.

      Half the investment banks were saved from going bust via private purchases by other banks and under the old form of Glass-Steagall this would have been illegal. Plus neither Europe nor Japan have Glass-Steagall (indeed the concept itself is alien to them) and they work fine.

      Merryl-Lynch going bust alone would have made saving AIG impossible and AIG was the biggest bailout of them all and it was not a bank.

  11. we have to nationalize all of our commons (Banking, Energy, Farming, Housing, and Information).
    then we break them up (this will create massive amount of jobs) and co-op them.
    That is how we the people get control of our economic lives and our wealth.

    These corporations have proven since the 1900’s that they are not honest actors in our communities and economy, We need to take the power back and keep it this time. No more soft capitalism with regulations that over time the corporate class will break down.

    1. You can’t nationalize without fair compensation and fair compensation means market value and the market value of Apple alone is $1 trillion.

      Who the fuck will pay this bill?

        1. And how do you know that?

          The constitution and laws are pretty clear with regard to fair compensation and two wrongs do not make a right.

  12. I was so upset about the war in Iraq. I was telling all my friends and they were appalled that I felt that way. They all remember it too. They have since apologised. Which blew me away. Nothing beats Alex Jones and his Lizard People stupidity.

  13. Regarding Rush Limbaugh and the Deep State. The Iraq debacle has nothing to do with Deep State taking charge. It was Dick Cheney “going to the Dark Side.” If anything, the Deep State was opposed to the war, and we know from the Chilcot Report in the UK that “the intelligence was being fitted around the policy” and not the other way round.

    Indeed, the massive abuse and politicisation of the intelligence services disgusted and dismayed the rank and file of the Intel Community, who saw their work being warped and misused to arrive at false conclusions, and to be used as a basis for an illegal war.

    Many of these Intel Officers quit and formed a group called “Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity” who published a memo in 2003 advising against the war. VIPS followed up with ten further memos throughout 2003 and early 2004, “assessing what the Bush Administration knew about Iraq before, during, and after the war, and how that intelligence has been used–and misused.”

    BUT HERE IS THE THING:
    The group calling themselves VIPS is still around, and still trying to expose what they see as gross perversions and misuse of intelligence.

    Their latest crusade has been against the Russia hacking theory.

    These people are ex-NSA and CIA specialists, and include William Binney, the man who literally invented the use of Metadata in intelligence. VIPS have proven that the theft of the DNC emails was due NOT to any sort of remote hack but rather through a local, on-premise download of the email files. In there words, a LEAK, not a HACK.

    Here is the Memo that VIPS issued to President Obama in January 2017, demanding a return to sanity: https://www.commondreams.org/views/2017/01/17/another-demand-russian-hacking-proof

    Here is another VIPS memo, addressed to President Trump in July 2017 on the same topic: https://consortiumnews.com/2017/07/24/intel-vets-challenge-russia-hack-evidence/

    These Intel vets, who were 100% correct on Iraq, cannot be dismissed now simply because the evidence they have uncovered cannot be “fitted around the policy” of Russian hacking allegations now being promulgated by the Democrats and the Media.

    1. The “evidence” being presented to support the Russian hacking story is no more truthful or dependable than the “intel reports” about the mobile chemical weapons labs, the biological weapon stockpiles, Al-Qaeda ties and advanced nuke program that Colin Powell presented to the UN as “fact.”

      Remember his slide show? His vial of anthrax? Here is a quote from that presentation:

      “My colleagues, every statement I make today is backed up by sources, solid sources. These are not assertions. What we’re giving you are facts and conclusions based on solid intelligence.”

      Sound familiar?

  14. Regarding the Evangelicals and Stormy Daniels: the Evangelical vote was developed and weaponised as a very structured and disciplined voting bloc. They never existed prior to Roe v. Wade, and they became politicised as a group with one main goal in mind: to make abortion illegal.

    They never take their eyes off the prize, which to them is to elect officials who will vote for pro-life legislation and – in the case of the President – sign pro-life education. They do not see the hypocrisy in getting someone like Trump when Trump will sign the legislation that they want and appoint pro-life judges, which will in turn bring them closer to their overarching goal of overturning Roe v. Wade.

    Democrats and liberals, however, are the exact opposite. Look at poor Al Franken. Look at Obama, who was a “good” person, even though he through liberals under the bus, expanded Bush’s wars, ramped up illegal spying, quadrupled drone strikes, rescued the banks while screwing over homeowners and so on – but he was biracial and soft-spoken, squeaky clean and well mannered.

    In short, Evangelicals and Republicans are willing to elect bad people who do good things policy-wise, while Dems and Liberals will always go for the good person who does bad things policy wise.

    This is Identity Politics 101.

    1. If you think the only thing Evangelicals care about is abortion you are sadly mistaken.

      Evangelicals support essentially the modern day reinstitution of Victorian Ethics which includes all the Victorian socio-political world views attached to it (prosperity is good and indicates God’s satisfaction, poverty is bad and indicate God’s wrath etc.).

      Evangelicals believe in all the bullet points that define the modern republican party as the following study shows:

      https://religioninpublic.blog/2017/02/14/are-evangelicals-economic-conservatives-too/

      Evangelicals have much more in common with Ayn Rand than what most people think, indeed other polls show that a significant portion of Evangelicals are even to the right of the Freedom Caucus (most of whom are declared Evangelicals).

      That is why the republican party has been so successful, the core base of the republican party, the Evangelicals who are more than half the republican voting bloc, want all the policies of the republican party not just the abortion stuff and that is why the republican party is so solid which if you think about it it makes sense, there are no internal conflicts inside the republican platform.

      For Dems and progressives on the other hand, their policy wishes are so diverse and so contradictory it is hard to see any path forward. The labour unions, and blue collar people in general, have been historically anti-migration and anti-civil rights (the worst civil rights riots of the 60s happened between working class whites and blacks while the upper middle class whites supported the blacks in their struggle). They are still anti-immigration and immigration, not economics, was the primary reason why so many white working class voters in the 3 key states that swung the vote went for Trump:

      https://www.prri.org/research/white-working-class-attitudes-economy-trade-immigration-election-donald-trump/

      If Dems and progressives keep on pushing for the dream act and advocating for illegals while they are in the minority they will lose in 2018 and will be forced to give even more cruel concessions on immigration than before.

      First win the majority in Congress then win the presidency and then force a fix to the sick system.

      1. I am sorry if I gave the impression that Evangelicals only care about abortion – it was meant only as an example,. Of course there are myriad other items, such as gay marriage, etc. But I do not believe that Evangelicals believe fervent in lower corporate tax rates or ending the tax loopholes for hedge funds.

        The Democrats turned their backs on unions and blue collar workers in 1992 and they still eschew workers in favour of Management. You cannot represent the economic interests of the poor and working class and simultaneously represent the interests of Wall Street and AmCham. Clinton led the DLC and the Dems to choose for Wall Street, and they have only been paying lip service to the unions and working class folks ever since, knowing that these people had “nowhere else to go.” Well, things got so bad that they eventually did have somewhere else to go – an orange baboon charlatan con man who co-opted Bernie’s message on economic and lied his ass of all the way to the WH.

        My point is that – and I stink you may agree – Evangelicals are basically Republicans, and they all have discipline in terms of their voting. They will vote for whoever can win and will support conservative legislation and judicial appointees. Doesn’t matter ho ugly they are, how unpalatable, unsavoury or unpolished they may be. Its the POLICY that trumps all (so to speak).

        Liberals, OTOH love someone like Obama, who says nice things, speaks so well, is so inspiring and inspirational in his personal story — it doesn’t matter that he does evil things. He talks the talk. And that’s enough for Liberals.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u52Oz-54VYw

        2. Well if you look at the history of political Evangelical movements since the 1930s, yes it goes back that far, you will find that that movement have always been on the extreme right when it comes to economics and economic policy long before social issues dominated the discussion.

          As for the Dems, turning on the working class has a much more complicated history and a significant part of the blame is on the workers themselves not the unions.

          Unionism began to decline in the 50s not the 90s and racial tensions were a great part of the decline as Dems began to embrace the Black community which was excluded from unions. By the 60s the Dems made the final jump when they cut off labor from the Dem platform and Jimmy to his credit discussed this in detail.

          The biggest break however came under Carter who embraced free trade, deregulation and big business. No matter how much liberals want to spin it Carter was far more liberal (in the classical sense or neo-liberal in the progressive sense) than even Saint Reagan whose deregulation efforts pale in comparison with Carter’s. This angered the Dem base in the 80s and they chose two disastrous candidates for president because of their solid leftist credentials. Clinton came as a saviour and the Dem base grudgingly accepted him and by 2000 fully embraced him.

          The Democratic party right now is split down the middle and anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional. While there are many points of agreement (healthcare, social policy and welfare), the points of disagreement (immigration and trade) are wide enough to keep the Dems and progressives away from power.

          That is why Dems and especially progressives need to sort their priorities first. The republicans right wing chose the Southern strategy and economic liberalism in the 70s after 25 years of a see-saw battle between Rockefeller republicans and Goldwater republicans and once Goldwater republicans won the fight the republicans succeeded everywhere.

          Dems can’t fight for DACA and Medicare for all at the same time when they are in the minority, they first have to choose which side they are on (which should be Medicare for all) and as part of the collateral victory they will win on DACA and other issues.

          1. I think you are the one rewriting history. Yes, Carter did some bad things but they were not ideologically driven to the extent Reagan’s actions were. Reagan’s public take-down of PATCO was the coup de grace for the union movement.

            And while Carter at least paid lip service to unions, Clinton was openly disdainful of unions and worked against them – I mean, he owed his entire political career (and his wife’s career) to Walmart, so that should not come as a surprise to anyone.

            Democrats embraced Clinton because he ran on a progressive platform. They loved him because after 12 years of a GOP lock on the WH, anyone who won would have been hailed as the second coming, But Bill Clinton was not a progressive, and not a real Democrat. He and his wife are both Republicans who are OK with abortion.

            And I challenge you to show me any data that can support your notion that the Democrats are in any way split “down the middle.” Poppycock!

            I understand your point of the pro-DACA faction “versus” the pro-Medicare For All faction, but that is a fallacy. Schumer, Durbin, Pelosi, Schiff don’t represent the Democrat or progressive base. Neither do Neera Tanden, Peter Daou and Joy Reid. The base has proven itself quite capable of walking and chewing gum, and indeed will not settle for only doing one and not the other.

            The recent MLK holiday gave many writers, journalists and others a chance to revisit the King legacy and the brilliant way in which King flight not just for social justice but economic justice. He was one of the first to develop and preach the “intersectionality” of the civil rights movement and the union/labor rights movement when he launched his “Poor People’s Campaign.” He has provided the paradigm, the example on which Bernie Sanders modelled his candidacy and on which the modern Democratic Party can reclaim its relevance and its dominance.

            Numerous polls show Bernie Sanders and his agenda with 80% to 93% approval among Democrats, and Bernie continues to be the most popular politician among Democrats and the voting population in general. I have read nothing that indicates a 50/50 split on immigration or trade.

            It is simply the elitist cadre of Party apparatchiks who seem to have differing opinions. The base, the voters are virtually unified in their support for immigration and their suspicion of international trade agreements like NAFTA and TPP that are written and negotiated by and for the Corporations and not the people.

            The Party needs to wake up and realise that if they want to remain relevant – or even viable – they must go Bernie’s direction. Under Obama and Pelosi they already lost 1000 legislative seats nationwide and lost a full 30% of their membership since 2009. They are clearly out of touch not just with the American people but with their own base. If they do not change they will become a bicoastal regional party pandering to liberal suburbanites, white collar workers and other minority groups.

            When was the last time that the Democrats had an active politician on the national scene (not already in the WH) that had 59% approval ratings and 20-point POSITIVE favourability ratings among the general population?

            To not embrace the Sanders agenda is simply stupid. But then, the Democrats lost to Trump, so stupid seems to be their thing.

  15. Cenk :) You said Schmookie and My Cat’s name is Miss Pookii. Now it’s another affectionationate name for Her “Schmookie Pookii”. She likes it.
    John Ideas-Roller I very much liked Your suit yesterday, am writing this later when I’ve forgotten what You wore today, so don’t feel bad about that. Recently I have had an appreciation of Your style. So many People compliment the Female TYT hosts, what about the Men?
    Cenk, nearly every shirt with a saying on it that You wear very much appeals to Me and I will have to give up Sweets forever if I want to afford them all. I am waiting for a financial windfall lol, waiting . . .

  16. During my last year of law school I worked on the Cromartie v. Hunt voter redistricting case in NC and appeal to the USSC. At the time you had one district that was the shape of a dumbbell. It was insane–a no brainer. We won on the federal level, but lost 5-4, with Sandra Day O’Conor as the swing vote against us. It’s next to impossible to get the USSC on board, even if you win at the lower court level, so you should have all presumptions in your favor.

  17. Also, I gotta make one other comment nothing to do with tonite’s show: The town hall with Sanders yesterday. TERRIBLE sound quality. You’ve GOT to get people who know how to properly control the sound levels to make these more listenable. Painful to have to constantly turn up and down the volume while watching. You need people who monitor and control the levels. Can’t believe the how bad the sound quality was on some of the videos–so subtitles were necessary. (I was once in radio myself a long time ago.)

    1. It’s the same with “Now This”s version as well as Bernie’s. I’m not sure who was in charge of the main feed. I hope they edit/correct it for future viewers.

  18. Cenk, like your taking on the more complicated and nuanced stories like on Rep. Meehan. Exploring the complexity of human relationship–illustrating how it’s often not so easy to make things into simple “yes” or “no,”

  19. Since they have laid off 500 Sales people that average $41,000 a year that would amount to around $20,500.000.00 therefore the actual cost of the bonus paid out is only $79,500.000.00.

  20. So here’s the difference between “what are we supposed to do, he is president, we have to cover him” and an obsession with Trump stories: Stormy Daniels.

  21. love how you guys give rush a funny (accurate) title but found probably the only picture where he looks somewhat sane and thin (ish)

  22. The reason we went into Iraq George W. read a report about Oil depletion Iraq hadn’t fully developed their oil fields and were talking to France to do the develop their field and to drop the dollar as a currency to the Euros Bush was not going to allow that. You did notice that France didn’t go into Iraq with us.

    1. As a HS math teacher I made a point of teaching my kids about gerrymandering. Gotta make it relevant. Take a look at District 7

  26. One big problem with our system of government is that the presidency holds too much power. We need executive reform!

        1. It would be good if TYT put an “edit” option in their comments section. Once you submit a comment, you can’t make corrections directly to them.

        1. @Rock,

          The dilemma is that in a world that is ever growing faster and faster regarding the need to make quick, decisive, decisions….our executive branch is about where it needs to be.

          The reason it doesn’t ‘seem’ like it is is because congress isn’t doing it’s job. People seem to forget that a congress can override the President…..but the GOP leadership are too self-interested to every work with the Democrats to actually do that.

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