TYT Old School January 4, 2018

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Cenk, Ben Mankiewicz, & Michael Shure talk tuna, butchering names, “American” cheese, Philly cops, “pushing the button,” how Cenk and Ben would accidentally walk into a Zumba class, who’d be the worst at Zumba, and Trump money laundering.

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    1. Old School is taped late at night. Trust me, this is the best way. You do not want them doing it in the morning just so you can get it faster.

  6. I know you guys have a lot to do but Cenk is advertising yesterdays (1/10/18) during the live feed and its not up.. SAD! We’re not winning anymore!

  12. Would like to hear Cenk’s prediction of when Trump would leave office very soon. Does it take a day for Old School to be uploaded?

    1. i wasn’t aware that it was an American thing. i thought that since most — if not all — cultures had some form of bread (loaf, pita, tortilla, steamed bun, wrapper, even nori and sticky rice, etc.), which is the perfect vehicle for the spreading of condiments, organizing and supporting of meats, veggies, fruits, etc., and the ultimate in portability … well, the Earl of Sandwich was very much on the qui vive with his off-the-cuff convenience food invention; inspired, even. we did adopt the idea from the Brits, after all. just chalk the American sandwich love affair up to our sense of pragmatism and inspiration within a limited framework. we took the Earl’s idea and ran with it, just like we do with everything else! good old-fashioned American ingenuity played a role. personally, i would rather have a great sandwich than any Michelin three-star fancy feast! sammies are sooo satisfying — the bread soaks up all the juices, too. finger-licking good!

    2. I never realized this was a thing until I spent a year in London. Their Subway was awful (no regular mustard and only one type of cheese. A disgrace), and I couldn’t find a local deli to save my life. The sandwiches they do have are pre-prepared (looking at you, Pret A Manger) and as such never perfect. That and delivery pizza is a thing they need in Europe. Delis.

  16. 1). Doritos is an American brand of flavored tortilla chips produced since 1964 by Frito-Lay, a wholly owned subsidiary of PepsiCo…

    2).The original product was made at the Casa de Fritos (now Rancho Del Zocalo) at Disneyland in Anaheim, California, during the early 1960s using surplus torillas, seasoning and dry fried…

    3), Arch West, vice-president of marketing for Frito-Lay noticed their popularity and he made a deal with Alex Foods in 1964, the provider of many items for Casa de Fritos…

    4).Doritos were released nationwide in 1966, the first tortilla chip to be launched nationally in the United States… The name derives from the Mexican Spanish doradito, meaning “golden brown.”…

    5).Doritos are Frito-Lay’s second best-selling item, bested only by Lay’s Potato Chips… An estimated five billion dollars in Doritos are sold every year worldwide…

  17. About Popcorn:

    Popcorn is the most American food there is. Nothing is more american than Popcorn. Native Americans were eating popcorn hundreds of years ago. One of the reasons why it’s ingrained in movie culture is because Native Americans were the first to be filmed and the snack began to be used while filming and watching the very first films in history.

    https://www.thespruce.com/the-history-of-popcorn-1328768

  20. Damnit guys you can’t talk shit about a place claiming to be the Philly experience while also calling it a Steak and Cheese. It’s a Cheese Steak. I know it doesn’t make sense but that’s just how it is in Philly. A Steak and Cheese is what you get at Subway, a Cheese Steak is something you can buy on every other corner shop in Philly.

    3. Also by the way, wiz is a Geos/Pats tourist thing. Here in Philly, american cheese is the default cheese on our cheesteaks. PEACE

  22. Ok, I’m only 30 minutes into this but thank god for Old School. I love when Cenk and Ben get together. Their chemistry is so fantastic it makes anything they do better. Love it!

    1. I agree… I’ve been a fan of TYT since the Air America days; and “TYT Old School” has to include Ben Mankiewicz…

  24. Since about a third of this old school was spent talking about tuna, I bequeath to the members my own original recipe and the ULTIMATE tuna sandwich: the Texas tuna.

    Ingredients

    Albacore tuna
    Mayo
    Little bit of mustard
    Diced fresh JALAPENOS or sliced pickled jalapeño (must be crunchy, none of that soft soggy pickled jalapeño shit)
    Paprika
    Tiny bit of dill weed
    Guacamole

    You can also easily upgrade this a tuna salad sandwich by throwing in some hard boiled eggs and diced celery, which I almost always do, but that takes more prep. The celery should be diced more finely than the jalapeños

    Slop it on whatever bread you like, toasted or not. Then you hit it with the GUAC. That lazy avocado paste bullshit is acceptable but I recommend real, genuine home style chunky guacamole. Optionally, if you like heat, sprinkle on some of your favorite cayenne pepper sauce. I’d recommend Frank’s or Cholula, would advise against Tabasco, but they pretty much all work. Sometimes I’ll even do a little bit of lime, but it’s not required.

    I shit you not this will be the most flavorful tuna sandwich you ever eat in your life. This is the one sandwich I wouldn’t recommend putting chips on because A) the chips are now redundant and can’t compete with the crunch of the right jalapeno, and B) you might need the chips from time-to-time to cleanse your pallet of the flavor explosion that is happening in your mouth.

    It takes a lot more prep than your average tuna sandwich recipe, especially if you’re like me and make your own guacamole from scratch, but it’s well worth the effort!

    Also this whole old school was fucking great.

    1. hmmm — interesting recipe. thanks for posting it! but, a couple of things: what kind of mustard? what kind of bread — dude, this is a sandwich, which means it’s sandwiched between two slices of bread, so the kind of bread really matters … or it should! my brain is working on it.

      also, Frank’s is weak sauce; i’m a hot Tabasco gal, and i hear they’ve got a new Scorpion Sauce that’s 20x hotter than the usual! oh, yeah.

  27. Hamburgers (cooked ground beef on a bun) did not originated in Hamburg, Germany. They used to eat open-faced steak sandwiches in Hamburg.

    Hamburgers originated in the United States among German communities making an adaption on that dish, but it is definitely a DIFFERENT dish.

    Similar story with pizza. In Italy, “pizza” was baked flat bread with tomato sauce. Modern pizza is different enough that most people would not consider that pizza at all.

  29. Also, I forgot to add that I’ve learned I can’t listen to you guys in the morning coz its impossible to draw a straight line with my makeup while laughing ?

    Thanks guys! ?

  30. ? Apples?!?…Isn’t diced celery for crunch factor added to tuna sandwiches a thing? Try it – you’ll like it ?

  32. Chips directly on your sandwich are the greatest thing ever. I don’t know how people have not tried that. Good turkey, cheese, lettuce, all the jazz, soft bread, then ruffles directly on it… SO GOOD. That’s my personal favorite that gets my inner fat kid screaming lol. But no matter what the sandwich is you crave if you eat it with chips on the side, put the chips in the sandwich and it’s so much better.

  33. Fuck yeah Cenk and Ben are classic! But the innermost workings of Michael Shure’s brain are especially hilarious today

  34. This show completed offended my cultural appropriation sensitivities. Cheddar is not American at all, neither is Blue Cheese. American Cheese is not real cheese. The take away from this show (well the first half anyway) is that American cuisine is that failed student that copies from other people’s homework and exam papers.

    I fear one of these days someone will show Cenk that Hamburgers originated in *Hamburg* and his head will explode.

    2. Cenk never defines what American means. I get the sense that it is a vague feeling of something that many Americans do and like. Cenk also admits that most foods were invented somewhere else, but what makes America special is how we improve on that food. Cenk has said in the past that pizza might not be invented in the US, but certainly, Americans make some of the best pizza in the world. I’m sure Cenk knows Hamburgers were invented in Hamburg, but my guess is that Cenk will say that the best Hamburgers are served in the US and that Americans made dramatic improvements.

      I don’t think any of them know where different types of cheeses originate from. I’m sure Ben meant that when people in the US think of cheese, they think of the cheeseheads in Wisconsin – who make lots of cheddar cheese.

      I agree so-called American cheese is not really cheese and it is terrible.

  36. This was one of the best Old Schools ever. Ben and Michael were on fire. I can’t believe what these guys eat, though. How is Cenk the only one who weighs 300 pounds.

    What is the name of the guest that Cenk famously mispronounced in an interview? And the guy corrected him?
    Someone help me out!

    The term is sex worker, BTW.

    1. The person you are thinking of was a military officer (a General perhaps?) whose last name is “Tata” (General Anthony Tata maybe).
      Cenk pronounced his name ‘Tah-tah’ and dude corrected him and said it is pronounced ‘Tay-ta’.

      Hope this helps you out… ;>)

  37. Thank goodness someone pointed this out. I was screaming when Ben declared that cheddar was invented in Wisconsin.

  40. I just imagined Ben and Cenk all dressed up in workout clothes (as though they were going to make an honest effort to attempt this workout) walking into a dance studio filled with people doing Zumba and them just looking at the class, back at each other, share a head shake and spin right around on their heels and book it out there. Classic. i lol’d

  44. darling Ben — it’s pronounced beh-lah-ROOS. and i also appreciate when someone respects me enough to correct my pronunciation, spelling, or grammar. it’s the best way to learn. i’m always properly thankful on Facebook, if i say something wrong, factually or even those other ways i just listed, when someone makes the effort to enlighten me. even if they’re rude and insulting about how they choose to show me the error of my ways, i still thank them politely and sincerely.

    however, if they’re mean-spirited about it, i don’t hesitate to add a little opinion by-the-wayside re: their lack of civility. for instance, recently someone criticized my opinion on something — that’s fine, we’re all different and see things differently — but chose to end her comment by calling me brain-dead. i explained the reason behind my POV to her first. then i described what a truly brain-dead person looks and acts like, to demonstrate to her that she should be more circumspect with her “compliments.”

    my husband suffered a massive heart attack over 15 years ago — the circumstances, awful as they were, aren’t worth going into. the gist of the story is, he was revived, sort of — attached to a machine that breathed for him, and other machines that monitored his vitals. both of his eyes remained half-open — the right eyeball was completely rolled up, only the white showing; the left eyeball was frozen halfway. his eyes never moved at all — indeed, no part of his body ever moved, except for the up-and-down movements carried out with the regularity of a metronome, thanks to the breathing machine. after three days like that, he was administered an EEG — it revealed little to no brain activity of any consequence. he was officially declared brain-dead,

    i, of course, being an intelligent atheist, had already figured that out, but the hospital naturally needed to make it official before i could ask them to turn off the machine that was keeping him breathing yet not alive. once i signed all the necessary paperwork, he was allowed to have his natural death — it took only 25 minutes for his breathing to cease. that’s what being brain-dead is really like, as i told the rude commenter. i just thought she could use a little education; words, as Ayn Rand said in “Atlas Shrugged,” have exact meanings.

  45. oh lord im from philly and you guys are having a cheesesteak debate. chicken cheese steak gets either american or cooper sharp thats it no debate, i should know i worked at a cheesesteak place for 10 years

    1. well, i grew up in South Jersey (born in Brooklyn and my early childhood spent on the wonderland aka Long Island), 40 minutes’ ride from Philly — a truly underrated metropolis. my very first rock concert was Leon Russell at the Spectrum (Ben — you mentioned seeing Bruce there; i’ve seen him in concert four times, but not there)! two other things i’ll never forget about Philly are Elfreth’s Alley and cheesesteaks (NO mushrooms!!!).

      however, several years ago i learned of another South Philly prize-winning sandwich. it’s the Roast Pork Italian: roast pork thinly sliced (with au jus ladled on), topped with garlicky sauteed broccoli rabe (or spinach, but meh) and sharp provolone, piled high on fresh-baked bread. i was visiting my mom in her nursing home, watching the America’s Best Sandwich contest on Man vs. Food, and this baby — my favorite out of many killer sammies (the sandwich is my favorite food delivery component) — won it all! the version i would eat, if i could ever get up there — i’m in Florida now — is made at Tony Luke’s in South Philly. OMG — i have friends in Houston, TX, where i lived when my husband was alive, and Tony Luke’s has a location there! and there are several locations in Jersey, as well.

      http://www.tonylukes.com/signature-items/

  46. oh my god, when Irma’s voice emerged like some kind of Zumba god from the heavens, I laughed so hard.

  51. For me it is very strange to hear how Ben pronounces his own surname. (I know, that this is the only right way to pronounce it, I’m not arguing with that :) The name “Mankiewicz” originates from Polish* language, it’s quite a standard name in Poland, I know people with this name but pronounced “monkey+ɛ+vi+t͡ʂ” /Polish orthography is quite strict – unlike in English there are never two ways to pronounce one word/. When I heard Bens surname for the first time I thought it would be spelled like “Mankovitz” or something. I would never guess it’s “Mankiewicz” since those giant differences in pronunciation.

    (* – I know, that Bens ancestors were Jewish emigrants from Germany not Poland, but German names are common in Poland and Polish names are common in Germany)

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