Murder With Friends: Supernatural

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Grace Baldridge is joined by Amir Nikoui, Jay Light, & Daron Dean for a Supernatural themed Campfire Edition. This episode centers around the teenage “Vampire Clan,” the bizarre death of Elisa Lam, and the ghosts of Myrtle Plantation.

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  1. I managed to find something on Winters’ death:
    “In 1871, William Winter was killed on the porch of the house, possibly by a man named E.S. Webber.”

    That was a bit on him on Wikipedia, cited to the then PrairieGhosts.com site, which is now AmericanHauntingSink.com, which had a bit more robust write up about that part of the incident.

    “But soon after, tragedy struck the Myrtles once more. According to the January 1871 issue of the Point Coupee Democrat newspaper, Winter was teaching a Sunday school lesson in the gentlemen’s parlor of the house when he heard someone approach the house on horseback. After the stranger called out to him, saying that he had some business with him, Winter went out onto the side gallery of the house and was shot. He collapsed onto the porch and died. Those inside of the house, stunned by the sound of gunfire and retreating hoofbeats, hurried outside to find the fallen man. Winter died on January 26, 1871 and was buried the following day in the cemetery at Grace Church. The newspaper reported that a man named E.S. Webber was to stand trial for Winter’s murder but no outcome of the case was ever recorded. As far as is known, Winter’s killer remains unidentified and unpunished. ”

    So, that may be more to go off of if you go search the public records for Louisiana. Having both names might get you somewhere, though with older cases like that, there really may not be any records to find.

  2. Speaking of Louisiana, please (because I must keep hope that a season three will come…) will you please look into Madame Delphine LaLaurie? In my opinion, with the exception of American Horror Story (which gave us a kinder version of her than she deserved, really, but maybe it was just because she was played by Kathy Bates who plays the best killers always because she’s Kathy Bates…), you really do not hear about her often and she was an absolutely despicable, yet oddly fascinating, sociopathic cold blooded serial killer responsible for more deaths of innocent people than we may ever know. To me, if killers were ranked by brutality, she would be discussed far more than Charles Manson. She was absolutely horrific. I would love to see you do it because I thought I knew everything there was to know about many of the killers you’ve covered but you guys manage to teach me things I did not know which is amazing. So please. Tackle this crazy psychopath as only you can. Thank you.
    As far as the young woman who was bipolar, it is possible that she did not mean to kill herself but rather she was manic and she either had a complete psychotic break or she was having a psychotic episode while also feeling invincible (which is common during manic episodes when people are known to do things that could easily get them killed because they are not thinking clearly and they feel completely bullet proof) and that caused her to get in the water tank. And as far as the striking coincidences between her story and that of Dark Water…I am a fiction writer and as a writer, I have a theory concerning art in all of its forms. My theory is that each writer dips into some kind of well and pulls out stories that exist on some plane in some way (which is why there are times when two writers who were writing their novels at the same time in different places and were in no way connected can pull up otherwise unique story scenes or aspects of a story that are nearly identical in some way) and there are times when a writer, from whatever well they are pulling from, accidentally has a “psychic” moment. I have done this with my work and my personal life or the work of others or even world events. I even predicted my own abnormal experience giving birth in three scenes I worked on that, put together, describe everything that went wrong and almost killed me that day. I wrote each scene at a different trimester in my pregnancy with the moment of birth as the first. So it’s not like you can play lottery numbers with it and you have no idea it’s happening until the event comes to pass but there are moments where your creativity, thanks to wherever our stories come from, is identical to something that does happen. It’s a theory. lol

  3. I will accept that there are things in this universe that I do not understand, and possibly never will.

    I do not, however, accept that these unexplained happenings are in any way or form supernatural.

  4. Well not that it’s really a human murder case but there is an interesting story on bizarre cow and animal mutilations that occurred in Taos NM and I believe across the country in the mid 90s. Either way, love the show!

  5. That was funny. After the first murder Grace concludes with “so we can all agree that there was no supernatural component to this one?” I thought she was being facetious, like yeah no shit Grace there’s no supernatural component come on! But then, when discussing the next murder, nope the hosts actually believe in ghosts…. I mean come on guys. REALLY??!! You believe in ghosts. Like for real. I get spooky stories and movies are fun to watch and talk about, but I thought we were all adults here

  6. I can attest to Wellbutrin giving you manic episodes, it’s given me them since I started taking it. I actually stopped because of how bad it was getting.

  7. Another question a lot of people ask about Lisa Lam is why she would go up to the roof and get in the water tank in the first place. Having been around several people in manic episodes, I can tell you they do incredibly weird and unexplainable stuff. I had an aunt who got out of her bed at 3 am, walked 2 1/2 miles in her PJs with no shoes to a park, and was finally picked up by the cops because she was dancing in the street with a dead raccoon. That’s just ONE episode from one person who did crazy, weird, and unexplainable things. It’s literally impossible to predict what a person might do in that state, or really to break down in any logical way why.

  8. Ok, everybody misinterpreting Daron’s comments y’all are just nitpicking her phrasing and what’s worse I think you know that you are. She clearly meant she was someone more inclined to science and that she PERSONALLY still can’t completely discount ghosts. She wasn’t talking about the scientific community at large, she wasn’t even calling herself a scientist. I think you all know this and are just being buttheads anyway.

    Anyway interesting episode I am glad how you did the Elisa Lam story. Her story upsets me for a number of reasons and one of which is how it’s talked about. She is someone that clearly needed help in life and not to become “oh spooky ghost story” in death.

  10. Given her age, Alisa Lam might have been suffering from a sudden onset of schizophrenia. It’s a common occurrence among those afflicted with manic-depression. Anti-psychotic meds are generally given to schizophrenics, but they cause heavy drowsiness, which is why so many schizophrenics stop taking them. That heavy feeling makes them think that someone’s keeping them down or there’s a sense of walls closing in, like claustrophobia.

    If she was suffering from a sudden onset of schizophrenia, it would explain that elevator video. She’s talking to people who are there only in her mind. Pushing all those buttons is an extreme form of OCD, common among schizophrenics. It’s compulsive and they can’t NOT do it. Like turning a light on six times or turning a door knob a required number of times. Excessive hand washing. Pushing all those buttons on the elevator can *also* be due to a form of paranoid schizophrenia, where she feels she has to hide her movements.

    As for some of you getting uber creeped out by her video … it makes me laugh. I’m sorry, but c’mon guys. You should be used to the creepy by now and developed that thicker skin.

    1. Women tend to develop schizophrenia later than men but yes, you could be right. As far as the elevator video, the part where she is talking with hand gestures could be anyone who talks to themselves, like Grace pointed out anything could look creepy on a security cam. Even so, all the behavior in that video was slightly off in terms of human behavior but easily explained by mental illness rather than the supernatural.

  11. I’m personally in doubt as to whether or not ghosts exist, but I love ghost stories and creepy tales of the supernatural. I think that the supernatural is a very powerful storytelling medium especially when ghost stories can serve as device of allusion to give a deeper literary meaning to history. This is one reason why oral histories can be so powerful and thought provoking, and it also speaks to why ghost stories have such a hold on the popular imagination. In this way, one could see the story of Chloe as an allegory of a slave woman gaining agency in life and after death in resistance to the dehumanizing institution of slavery. Her ghost is a way of reminding people about the injustices of slavery.

    The deeper allegorical meaning that ghosts take on is one of past events having a through line to the present preventing them from being forgotten; that figures and events in history possess such a gravity that they become in themselves like an act of nature that goes beyond normal events and are not bound by time. In a way, ghosts are memories linking us with the past, reminding us that the events of history live on in the present just below the surface underpinning our present existence. This deeper philosophical meaning can even be applied to the different forms that spirits often take for example figures, unexplained presences, and disembodied voices -all serving as ways of illustrating how people/memories from history can reach beyond the eons.

    That’s what fascinates me about ghost stories as a storytelling medium. They are a rich form of oral history.

  12. There seems to be a disconnect with the vampire clan, from my research and I did a paper on it, the plan WAS to kill the parents to be able to take the daughter across state lines because the parents were against it and had called the cops about their daughters relationship.

  13. Hi Grace I live in Juneau Alaska and we have a beautiful beautiful Female impressionist who goes by the name of GiGi Monroe she travels all over and I saw your shirt again with the neon green Alaska name and her character on your shirt with her tiara my question to you is what is this a gift or did you get a chance when in Alaska to go see her wonderful show and buy it.

  15. No, Daron, “science people” don’t believe in ghosts. Lol. Most “science people” have at least a vague understanding of neuroscience and how your brain fills in the gaps of your perception, leading you to believe you actually saw or heard or felt something that doesn’t exist.

    1. Exactly. I have always been scientifically minded. When I was 16, I had a kitten. One early morning, it was still dark, I opened my eyes and saw a ghost at the end of my bed. I couldn’t breathe. I couldn’t move. My kitten, who had been napping peacefully in my hair, dug his claws into my scalp to knead me, and POOF! she was gone.

      This happened 2 more times in 4 weeks. I thought I was insane. Finally, I told my parents. My mother just matter-of-factly said, “It’s just sleep paralysis. Lots of people in our family get that.” Once she explained as well as she could, I was SO relieved. I read everything in the library system about it (yes, I’m old).

      There are countless “supernatural” events that are eventually explained by logical things. Nothing has ever proven to be Supernatural. Either you believe that ghosts hate scientists, or you must conclude they don’t exist.

      And, Amir, I think Brian Cox understands more about physics than you do. And he says the LHC proves it. Google it. THAT makes sense.

  16. If you want something supernatural and odd as well (though not murderous), check out Gef the talking weasel (or mongoose). He has pictures too. I heard about it as a kid and tried to get my ferrets to channel Gef LOL

  17. This was kind of a weak sauce episode… there are tons of othe supernatural places and stories that are creepier than these. But the panel was good, would like to see you all in another campfire.

  18. MWF might want to think about covering Georgia Tann. She was despicable and one of the worst serial killers in American history. Many people still don’t know who she is. She made a huge business out of snatching children from the yards of poor people and selling them to the rich… like Joan Crawford and Lana Turner.

    The ones that were deemed not “good enough” were left to die from illness and neglect or sold for labor in homes and farms. Apparently, about 500 kids died under her watch.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1131282/The-Hollywood-Baby-Snatcher-The-sinister-story-woman-stole-children-sold-stars.html

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Tann

  19. Fully aware we live in a fucked world, but trip on the notion that murderous dorky ass loser , white teens, or one at least, is getting a pass; like ‘yeah they’re not gonna go vampire kill crazy , they’re prolly rehabilitated after prison’. And we shake our finger at the racial incarceration inequality any chance we get. This would be one of those moments….Where if a group of Chicano or black fuckin ‘vampires’ go kill a white couple & the defense for their parole is they served the time. A judge and society would shut that down from
    Happening in a heart beat. Get Cenk on MWF.

    1. They didn’t say that he was petitioning for parole, they said he is going to be tried again. He has to be re-tried by law because he was sentenced to death as a minor. That wouldn’t change if he was black or Latino, the only thing that might change is the result because we do live in a systematically racist world.
      Also, your comment really doesn’t make that much sense so if I misread something, let me know,

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