Cenk, Ana, & Maytha Alhassen. Iran protests. Apple apologizes for iPhone batteries. Pro-life students lash out at Tomi Lahren for refusing to answer questions. Anti-gambling crusader who shot down raffles wins $25k in parlor sweepstakes.
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Maytha, I am not sure that you understand what Medicare supplement insurance is. It is not robbing the poor. Medicare does not cover all medical expenses. Medicare supplement insurance sovers that which Medicare does not cover. It helps people afford Medical care. Please research.
Every time Maytha is on TyT I can’t keep my eyes off the screen. She is just so beautiful and extremely intelligent. I could listen to her talk all the time.
I tried replying to bullfrog21 but the reply went to to top
Yes the shutdown problem from low voltage is fixed by slowing the processor and reducing the current draw. That is, the problem is more or less fixed. These engineering tweaks that fall outside standard practice of including abundant safety margin up front by design, rather than by retroactive engineering change order to ameliorate a pervasive marketing issue, are not necessarily 100% robust.
However, there could also be multiple causes of shutdowns that are unrelated to the battery, so it is entirely possible that Ana experienced unexpected shutdowns after updating rather than before.
It is also possible that Ana’s battery was totally shot from too many charging cycles and the processor slowdown did not stop the shutdowns.
She did not indicate how long it lasted on a charge, or which version of iOS first exhibited the shutdowns on her phone, or whether she had noticed her phone slowing down as well as shutting down before she replaced it, nor did she put a date on her upgrading to iPhone X, so it is impossible to draw any conclusions based on her testimony as given. Engineers demand precision in science or it is not really science.
Regarding Cenk’s suspicion that updates are the problem, that is only true in the sense of accidentally introducing new bugs, or removing functionality that is deemed too expensive to maintain for the benefit it provides, or maybe with updates that remove the bugs people exploit to root a device (log in as super user and modify the protected aspects of the operating system) without the manufacturer’s authorization.
The likelihood of iOS updates adding new functionality and/or causing huge power draw that significantly impacts battery life is remote. The worst issue with updates is that eventually the iOS will outdistance the older hardware capability to run it, while the benefit of maintaining compatibility with older hardware will fade, and it will be frozen at an older iOS or dropped from support entirely. Currently all major manufacturers are selling phones of multiple tech generations and some of the older ones ship new with an obsolete OS.
The act of secretly and deliberately obsoleting hardware in the market by crippling its performance in the OS to make it less attractive would be fraudulent as well as self-defeating for any manufacturer, and totally out of step with Jobs’ obsessive-compulsive vision of space-ageiness and new-ageiness in this specific case. Apple prides itself on user-friendly cutting-edge futuristic tech that just works and lasts forever even if it costs a bundle.
This speculation by the panel about planned obsolescence by Apple is at the irrational Alex Jones level of reporting, and testament to how unhinged TYT can get on tech and science issues where they lack anything approaching credible scientific expertise. Planned obsolescence in electronics is a function of dynamically shifting technical capability and cost-benefit that applies across entire swaths of industry, not a competitive tactic deployed by a mustache-twirling dickhead to scam his own fanatics.
Science is still the Achilles’ Heel of news across the political spectrum because science is tough. Math is tough. It is not for general consumption. Unfortunately there are things that even the smartest people in the world (even yours truly LOL) cannot fathom if it lies outside their expertise, such as general and special relativity or quantum mechanics or fluid dynamics. I’m just a chip designer and do not operate on anything approaching that level of complexity. I let the PhD”s put their knowledge into the computer automated design tools and I just drive them like a bulldozer.
Hardware updates do affect battery life. Everyone wants to trade off the increased power efficiency that comes with advances in miniaturization for ever-increasing speed of operation. The battery tech powering our portable devices remains shackled to a cart that always loads it down fully no matter how good batteries get. No one is going to build a device that only uses 1/100th of the power, with 1/100th the speed, just to avoid battery replacement over the presumed 5 year lifetime of the device that only the most thrifty and/or desperately poor will actually take advantage of.
We face another issue also. Moore’s Law is running out of steam now that the physical properties of transistors and interconnect as well as batteries are making further advances in miniaturization more precious. Expectations of ever-increasing speed and storage capacity for a given size and cost are running into the brick wall of physics. This will undoubtedly affect technology in the future. Rising cost and planned obsolescence become more of an issue when a tech matures because the advantages of upgrading fade as the degree of advancement plateaus.
Disposable miniaturized devices are not an evil thing. Ultimately all tech gets disposed of eventually. The best case is to miniaturize it down to the vanishing point so that its environmental footprint is minimized, while improving its lifespan and reducing maintenance. I thInk Apple’s approach is entirely consistent, except for the part about concealing the limitations on battery life. That seems like a blunder fora company that introduced WYSIWYG to the masses.
http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20160612-heres-the-truth-about-the-planned-obsolescence-of-tech
Planned obsolescence is alive an well today in some aspect in almost every business that deals with manufactured goods. It’s a strategy that has worked for almost a century, and isn’t going anywhere. There’s no “tin-foil hats” here. Microsoft has been doing it for years, issuing updates that have been reported to degrade performance or inconvenience the user so that they buy the latest version of Windows or a new PC with it preinstalled (or even just get a “free” update to Windows 10 so they can better mine data from you, which is incredibly profitable for them as well).
I’m curious, though, since you said you’re a chip designer, how would slowing the speed of processor improve stable voltage delivery from a battery? Processors need a consistent voltage, regardless of if they are over- or under-clocked, I don’t see what the speed would have to do with that at all. Cell phone batteries have an average lifespan of between 9 months to a year, after which its ability to hold charge and deliver consistent voltage output begins to degrade quickly. An old battery will cause problems regardless of the software or the speed of the processor running it. The only effect that under-clocking the processor will have on the battery is lessening the amount of heat given off by both the battery and the processor, thereby slowing the further degradation of the battery due to high temperatures.
If that happened to my phone on a trip I would never buy that Brand again, yes even Apple. Overrated
Buy your new iPhone batteries from iFixit, not Apple. Or better yet, throw your iPhone away and switch to a OnePlus or a Google Pixel.
Hey. at least Ben can feel better about his gambling. I’m so glad I decided to smoke just before this gambling lady story. It’s perfect. Oh you the way those supplemental programs operate to get new clients is shady as fuck. They send letters that look like they’re from Medicaid and you need to re-authorize your plan or get kicked off. Then when you get to Medicaid they tell you “no, you don’t have to” in a defeated tone. It’s so shady. Straight designed to take advantage of the vulnerable. They should do a TYT Investigates on it. If it’s not illegal it should be.
About the iPhone situation. How weird! I didn’t hear about this until this TYT story. I have an iPhone 5S which is even earlier than the 6 and I’ve experienced absolutely no trouble, no slowness. I update immediately as soon as one is available.
The best way to maintain battery life in your battery operated devices using rechargeable Li batteries is to keep the plugged into a power source everywhere you go. The fewer and shallower power cycles they experience, the longer they last. Use your charger at home and in the car and bring an external power cell with you when you need to go cordless. Only unplug when you absolutely need to.
OK I can’t stand reading all this speculation about Apple. Here it is from the engineering standpoint and the marketing standpoint, and no it is not planned obsolescence so stop being paranoid everyone and take your tinfoil hats off for a second.
Batteries degrade over time. Phone batteries used to be replaceable by opening a compartment. Somewhere along the way Samsung started gluing it’s televisions and phones together and now everyone is doing it to save manufacturing costs so replacing phone batteries is no longer an option for the consumer.
To avoid adding the cost of non-consumer replacement battery service to the warranty, they all started warrantying the phone batteries implicitly and pretending everyone was going to upgrade before the battery life became an issue. This pretense was used to remain cost competitive while maintaining profitability and it makes the entire device mechanically ‘cleaner’ to have no replaceable parts. Consumers like that until the battery wears out.
The problem is that not only do batteries wear out over time but also their replacements degrade even while in storage. No one keeps making custom batteries indefinitely for obsolete equipment. Even the replacement batteries have some degradation. So the refurb iPhone I bought with a ‘new’ battery probably does not have the life expectancy of a real new battery.
The other problem is that the imPEEdance (softness) of the power output from the battery increases as they age and wear, causing the voltage to sag. When that happens, if the sag is too low, the internal voltage regulation in the phone cannot maintain safe operating levels and then intermittent malfunctions, even data corruption, become problematic.
The internal regulation senses bad input/output voltages and powers off the device eventually, but it tries to let the operating system do it first so that any outstanding memory transactions can complete and the device enters a known state rather than just terminating with tasks in mid process.
That is why Ana’s phone started shutting down with 30% power remaining. The aged battery reads as if it has 30% charge remaining but onlyuntil she starts streaming video and suddenly her phone powers off because the increased current draw pulled down the battery voltage too far, This was seen as a problem by consumers who had been led to believe that their consumable batteries were actually immortal Marvel superheroes in daywear.
So Apple added an OS tweak that slows down the processors so that they draw less current, and the voltage does not sag so much and the power good circuit keeps its green light lit. This allowed Apple to pretend that the batteries last a full five years. It did not work. People caught on because a slower processor equates to a less capable device. People did not want a less capable device either, especially not one that does not even inform them that the battery is going dead on them but rather just waits for them to upgrade.
Now Apple has to offer reduced cost replacement batteries that are reasonably priced or face a tide of customers who abandon ship to some other Android phone that has almost certainly has the exact same problem and no doubt other manufacturers are watching g breathlessly to see how Apple handles this issue because it is precedent for everyone.
Thank you!
A couple of things:
1. Thank you for the post, it was informative and added some much-needed context to this complex issue.
2. I believe Ana’s phone started shutting off AFTER she updated the OS. If I understand you correctly (and I truly might not, please correct me if so) the issue you’re describing would be happening to an old non-updated phone but would be fixed once that phone is updated; the opposite of what happened to Ana’s phone.
Concerning the Apple battery story, I share the concerns. I have a bit of sympathy for the technical problem, but they’ve arguably built a product that produces said problem.
From a technical point of view:
A) It’s been seen with other phones in the past, among other manufacturers: big screen, powerful processor, quick ramp up in power demands = shutdowns and restarts due to a lack of available current or voltage.
B) The battery has to be respected for its operating points. It’s either you get what it can give you at a given temperature, or you ask for more and you run into reliability issues (cut down life, swelling, explosions).
What I find suspect here is that other phones on the market are capable of operating in severe weather, have comparable everyday performance, and are less power efficient. My One Plus One is a 3 year old phone, and doesn’t suffer operational issues in cold -40C weather. Tons of other phones can say the same.
Someone at Apple either cheaped out or screwed up something somewhere between the battery and overall circuitry that deals with powering the phone. Accident or not, it can be measured and diagnosed. I’d bey they (only?) knew about it as the phones came off the assembly line.
And really, even if you give a pass on the inevitable battery issue, they have built a product that is exceptionally difficult to repair. Average Joe can’t open it up, swap a battery, and keep going. The same stands for screen replacements. No, the customer has their choice directed and facilitated to eat the plan difference with your carrier, and sign up for the new model.
A side bone to pick would be that phones for years now have had dual slot setups for SIM cards AND expandable storage. Apple (and others) could have literately offered the options years ago. They haven’t – they offered limited storage knowing full well people would need cloud services in less than a year (software hook). Once you count all of that, plus the , a lot of it really screams planned obsolesce and corralling consumers into a sort of exclusive socio-techno-consumer (?) culture.
And security on any device is a joke. Assume there’s no such thing, and that if you hold your information in any others’ hands, you are subjecting yourself to a potential violation of your privacy – that’s the best way to operate.
This story about Apple seems a bit ridiculous. People are freaking out about a battery that is consumed after years of use. Why don’t people raise hell when their car battery dies or when their tire treads wear? Do car manufacturers have “planned obsolescence”? I think this story is overblown.
I don’t buy this argument at all. The bad battery behavior coincided with the new IOS updates. Also, Itunes is not bomb proof. I am often out of internet range, and they are constantly throwing my music up in the cloud where I can’t get it. I’m done with iPhones, and this story seals the deal. Calculated misery is right.
There a few differences:
– You can actually swap your car battery and tires.
– You don’t lose horsepower or critical systems because of an old battery (in the case of combustion vehicles of course)
– You don’t have to buy a whole new car (or at least $500 to $1000 of extra parts) to swap your battery or your tires.
Yes, car manufacturers use planned obsolescence. They’ve been using it for decades.
http://www.autonews.com/article/20120213/BLOG06/120219952/gm-rediscovers-the-value-of-planned-obsolescence
Look this shit up yourself. You obviously have a computer and internet. Rather than trying to sound fucking smart by saying what you THINK is correct just do a goddamn google search. It took me 20 seconds to find the info I needed for this reply.
I also love Mariguana! House TYT baby!
As to Apple: Didn’t we just catch them sheltering $450 billion in profits offshore? I believe we heard that related to “Repatriation” of assets back to The United States at a discounted Republican tax rate rather than what they actually owe – let alone the fact they face no civil or criminal charges for doing that. All this being said, I think this the definition of “White Privilege”, worrying about our I-Phone speeds.
To Ana: The REMAINDER of her contract! The REMAINDER!!
Maytha is awesome! So nice to see her back on a panel, she just brings a real genuine warmth with her as well as great knowledge of many topics and I hope we see her again soon!
PS- Does anyone know if there will be a show on Monday or will everyone be off for News Year Day?
No Cenk, it’s not an opinion that Bernie Sanders is not a Democrat, it’s a FACT. That’s what that “I” next to “VT” in his title on every newsclip ever means. “I” for INDEPENDENT. Is that a Democrat? No, it’s not. Try this example: You’re a kid and you’re having a birthday party, you don’t invite Bernie Sanders to your party but he’s that annoying person who shows up regardless; even though he’s never been nice to you, is always trashing you and your party invitees behind your back who wonders why you didn’t invite him and just shows up. He doesn’t have a present for you, he isn’t your friend, but he’s loud, rude, and arrogant and ruins your whole birthday. That’s what he seems like to me, and I think most people can understand that even if they don’t agree with me.
Bernie is the best damn Democrat in Washington DC. He has a favorability rating of over 80% among registered Democratic voters. He has a favorability near 60% among ALL voters across all parties. Those are insanely high numbers.
Only a party that has no interest in winning would ignore them, and go with another Hillary type. Or, a party run by people who have been using the DNC like a private bank account, to give each other giant no-bid contracts. Five (5) consultants received $700 million in 2016. All friends of Hillary, of course.
Anyone who would give money to the Party, knowing what we know today, is beyond stupid. I donate directly to Bernie. He’s my Democrat.
Five Consultants who received approx $150, 000, 000.00 a piece.
How that is not a major freak-out story in MSM ?
How does anyone even begin to justify that?
If it’s not Bernie, or Nina Turner, etc. it won’t be worth it.
Where is that story? What are you talking about? I haven’t heard anything about what you’re saying.
Wow. You haven’t seen Nomi Konst video about the 5 consultants?
Or the Birthday story? Your the one who started the birthday analogy.
Interesting also that you believe Hillary is so fabulous after she and Bill (along with Obama & their NeoLibs) have destroyed the Democratic Party.
You know who is also NOT a Dem? Hillary, Obama, Billy-boy and most of the politicians who CALL themselves Dems. They are Pro-Choice Republicans.
But he’s NOT a Democrat. Bernie Sanders himself continues to stay that. I think if you want to be the leader of the DEMOCRATIC PARTY, you should be an f’ing DEMOCRAT. How can we all not agree to that? It’s a FACT that he’s an “Independent”, correct?
Bernie is the current leader of the Democratic Party.
I didn’t say it.
Kristen Gillibrand said it:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/09/18/sen_gillibrand_bernie_sanders_elizabeth_warren_leaders_of_the_democratic_party.html
How can you be the leader of a party that you refuse to become a member of, instead continuing to classify yourself as an “Independent”?
Imagine another birthday party.
You bring presents.
You encourage your friends to bring presents.
You do everything the birthday girl wants you to do,
because the party planners say this is the nice & polite thing to do.
You do everything possible to make sure that it’s a fantastic birthday party!
It’s going to be the Biggest & Most Fantastical Party possible and it has to be PERFECT!
Then 5 of the party planners run-off with ALL the presents, the guest list, the cards, and all the decorations.
There’s NO birthday party.
The Birthday Girl pitches a maassive hissy fit and blames ALL the party guests for her party not happening.
My guess is no one will want to go to that spoiled brat Girl’s party again.
The guests definitely won’t want to be involved with the 5 corrupt party planners.
But that’s just a guess.
Btw, when’s Bernie’s birthday?
Agreed, that part of the show was a little weird. I wonder what silencing her talking point was all about?
By the look on Cenks face, I would guess there maybe some legal implications or something pending
We always here that TYT doesn’t censor their hosts/employees but that Tomi Lahren thing was weird. Why wouldn’t Ana be able to talk about what happened at PolitiCon?
Yeah that seemed like a really awkward response that Cenk gave; there’s got to be something there….
Dear Maytha Alhassen,
un·doubt·ed·ly is a word.
un·doubt·eb·ly is not a word.
Thanks.
Hi, Paul! Maytha wasn’t saying “undoubtebly” in this episode. She was saying “undoubtably”—and yes, that is a word. It’s the adverbial form of “undoubtable” (adjective). Even if you believe that the word “undoubtably” is (or should be) obsolete, it is still a word, so your correction of Maytha was wrong and, to be frank, condescendingly rude.
Cenk’s extreme bias towards Saudi Arabia really showed in the Iranian piece. You really have to stretch your imagination to think that Saudi-US meddling is behind a street chant. And part of the problem is that Cenk is applying life in America to a situation in Iran. In many countries like Iran the private sector is limited, the state controls all resources and the largest businesses belong to the state or to the army (In this case the Rev guard).
With the high degree of state control on the economy (including all oil revenues) then yes Iranian government spending in Yemen, Lebanon and Syria is very relevant. Part of Hezbollah’s popularity in Lebanon is a vast network of social services they offer to their supporters. Where do you think that money comes from? Who do you think has been propping up the Syrian regime long enough for the Russians to enter the war? In Yemen it was Iran who chose to support an ousted ruler and start the current civil war, but Cenk will never go into that detail. The amount being spent on these foreign adventures is not an insignificant portion of their budget.
As for the Lebanese prime minister, Cenk overlooks the fact that he holds Saudi citizen ship and that his family made their entire fortune in Saudi Arabia through crony construction contracts and avoided paying wages to their workers for the past 2 years.
Finally as someone who participated in the Arab Spring I can’t begin to describe how difficult it is to take to the street and risk arrest, physical harm and in some cases death, only to hear some talk show host in some studio make a baseless claim about how some foreign power is pulling your strings. Go fuck yourself Cenk.
Extreme leftists sometimes can’t get it through their thick skulls that yeah, sometimes the segment of the Iranian population protesting does agree with US policy in some cases like the Iranian intervention in Syria especially if we know that over 2000 young men from Mashhad alone died in Syria for no fucking reason remotely affecting the people of Mashhad.
Concerning Apple, their behavior is very questionable. After software is created, it gets tested. If a company has legacy hardware, the software is tested on legacy hardware. Project Managers, Team Managers and Product Managers want to know their product is stable and performs as designed. Since Apple is also a hardware company, they can estimate how many legacy devices are still out in the wild. They also know which devices have components that will not work with the new software. For operating systems, the company will report the OS works on “Apple 6 or later,” meaning the software has been tested successfully on Apple 6 through Apple 10 phones (or the current model). This is the same process that they have been doing with their computers for decades.
So, Apple knew how legacy phones would be impacted and chose to ignore their customers’ “needs,” hoping to serve their shareholders instead. If Apple did not know about the legacy impact, then they company is providing a disservice to their customers and shareholders.
I love Mariguana.