Cenk. White House pardons turkey. Oklahoma Dem wins special election in Trump district. FCC planning to close net neutrality. Trump backs Roy Moore. Doug Jones quotes Ivanka Trump in ad against Roy Moore.
Holy fuck, he said the word denies 11 times just in this 1 minute clip. He denies it!!!! He denies it! By the way, he totally denies it …. seriously trump is the most retarded man alive. His IQ must be 71, just enough to legally not be retarded but be the dumbest fuck ever, his daddy paid someone to say his IQ was 150+ as a kid and he’s gone with that his whole life, bragging like the idiot he is.
How can you get MONEY out of POLITICS when u can’t even PROVE that Jordan was guilty?! Afterall he did ur going to pretend that ur not doing an injustice?!
I’m disgusted with Cenk for not even saying something about what Jordan Chariton has done working at TYT and what he knows about the causes Jordan has worked on relentlessly and what Cenk’s experience has been as far as Jordan’s honesty and that sexual behavior between consenting adults is nobody else’s business, and the only issue here is whether the sexual behavior was consenting, and determining this takes time. I was blown away all the days I got up and there was Jordan again, again and again delivering stories from so many places I lost track. And let’s not forget Donna Brazile. We heard plenty then from Cenk about Jordan.
He earned the right to be given the time needed to wait for the facts to clear up. Discarding like inconvenient garbage before being given the proper time brought shame to TYT.
If this was a decision made out of empathy, there would have been more time than two days. This was a decision made out of fear. Now sharks smell blood, and the truly empathic people are distanced from TYT and moved towards Jordan by default. This was a bad call…rationally and emotionally.
Why is it so difficult to understand that no investigation was needed in decision to fire Jordan. His own admitted accounts of the evening more than warrant his termination.
If you only go by his words, he participated in an orgy with a younger, married member of his staff in a hotel room more than likely being paid for by TYT.
So now after being rightfully let go from the company, he’s trying to sue TYT for his own overwhelming lack of judgement and professionalism.
As someone who greatly appreciated his contributions to this site, i’m incredibly disappointed in both his behavior and his response to being let go. Its unfortunate that he now finds himself at the center of this controversy, but lets not pretend that it isnt 100% his own fault.
Your values arent shared by others. There are plenty of marriages that are open, and are healthier for doing so. You dont really know the real emotional context or agreements going on there. There are plenty of people who are polyamorous who are more ethical and more empathic than you are, there are also those who are less so. You dont know enough to make a judgement call as to which is which.
Yes, an investigation was needed, yes time should have been warranted, and no, there was not enough information at the time, and there still isnt even now.
I’m not nor was I ever debating the healthiness of open relationships. I only included the fact the she was married as it just further demonstrates his poor decision making in this situation.
Do you not understand the core of the problem in that he was engaging in this behavior with a female employee nearly a decade younger than him? And in a hotel room payed for by his employers. In what world do you think thats acceptable behavior?
TYT had cause to fire him based on that alone, no investigation necessary because HE ADMITTED TO IT PUBLICLY. As for time, lord knows maybe they would have taken more time to investigate or discuss the matter internally if he didn’t decide to admit to everything in a rambling post on Medium.
Sorry but that was just you and your “I paid only the official price” connection. I have already bribed my ISP contacts with black market cigars for a better connection to TYT’s servers.
(Only joking ;) … but as a foretaste of what’s to come).
I like the idea/motivation behind Justice Dems but there is a huge conflict of interest when it comes to covering them. TYT will now only cover Justice Dems and blackball its opponents who are to the left and generally have less money and less recognition. This is worse than corporate Medias blackout of Bernie in the primary.
I suspect – meaning this is pure speculation – that Jordan is mostly innocent, but that he did things that make himself vulnerable; that allow others to misconstruct stories about him. This is based mostly on my judgment of being sort of like John Snow, if you will, meaning moral but not as smart as, say, John Iadarola or Cenk. I further suspect (with less confidence) that him being fired was a political move. Finally, with the least amount of confidence, I also suspect that it was the correct move (mostly based on respecting Cenk’s judgment).
If the first two assumptions are true, then I am not upset by it. I do think that being in a position like this comes with dangers and that behaving ethically is not enough; you also have to be smart. If you not, if you do mistakes and have the bad luck to punish it, this happens. I think Cenk values the progressive fight more than individual loyalty and I would agree with that.
Of course, it could also be that the allegations are in fact true and TyT simply fired him because they suspected that they were true. I just enjoy specualating so there you go.
I have zero idea if it’s true or not but I do know what it feels like to have people lie about past encounters to ruin someone. It’s super rare, about 1% of victims, but when it happens, it really sucks.
What a BS article. It goes on to rely that 40% of rape claims are “unfounded.” Well yeah, if the rape claim is too old it’s hard to prove true and if they never test the rape kit, then of course. Many rape cases aren’t even looked into so you can’t use that statistic.
The FBI says 8% but that doesn’t include all claims not filed with law enforcement, so that number is a bit lower.
I reserve my own judgment at this point, but I trust TYT and I agree that there was definitely too much grey in his relationships within the company.
But there are some weird/unexpected things in all accounts (Jordan, Hammond, Griffin) –
what I find weird f.e, based 100% on the accounts of both alleged victims, both stories begin with Jordan being unconscious, Jordan, not the alleged victims. And why we have talked about rare instances of male victims before, I think not a single story (of assault at least) over the last month was making allegations against female perpetrators, yet in this story there are 2 separate situations, 2 different women, making allegations of assault/sexual assault against 2 different other women. Not only that, but in both cases it had been those women allegedly starting the incident (clear assault in both cases, in Chelsea’s case sexual assault), while in both of their stories Jordan is still unconscious while they were starting these assaults?!
We live in strange times…
Btw if Jordan’s account was true, Hammond and Lyons would both be guilty of sexual harrassment themselves – I’m pretty sure having oral sex in someone’s bed while they’re asleep is not OK… but can you believe his account? It’s at least as weird as the other ones…
Cenk said Republicans put Ajit Pai on the FCC — no, Obama appointed Pai to the Commission.
I know Cenk knows that, it just struck me as interesting that now Cenk feels the need to pin that tail on the GOP donkey instead of where it belongs.
And yes, we (TYT Army) are all aware that the problem is Corporatism. Obama’s entire cabinet was picked for him by Wall Street. The only reason Net Neutrality survived under Obama is because of the push-back from (ironically) big internet corporations and their customers. The difference between a Corporate Democrat and a Corporate Republican is all but un-measurable.
Obama appointed Wheeler too, who was also a shill for the industry. However, he ended up implementing title II. It seems like maybe the president in power makes a difference and FCC chairs are not totally independent people who make their own decisions completely on their own.
After some necessary cultural and societal house cleaning regarding sexual assault I hope we can find solutions. It won’t be easy. I hope the news cycle isn’t full of sex abuse allegations for years to come especially if other worthy stories get bumped. In an ideal world consent is always interpreted by both sides in the same way and no abuse happens. Since this is a pipe dream then the following scenario where two wrongs make a right could work: he grabs her, she slaps him, end of story. I know this is overly simplified but I bet this actually happens all the time and we don’t hear about it. Phew! Right now for all the victims we need to hear about it. I hope we can get past it all most of the time. Good luck to all of us.
It’s ironic that so many members accuse TYT of acting without sufficiently exploring the facts, but they do so without themselves knowing all the facts. I will withhold judgment on this at least until TYT makes their own statement about what went down. But I do agree with those who say that even if you totally disregard the accusation and look just at Jordan’s statement, that itself brings up some questions:
– When TYT sends Jordan to do reporting, does he also house some of his TATM staff in the hotel room that is paid for by TYT so they can cover the same story? That would be a clear conflict of interest.
– Did Jordan buy drinks for his TATM staff using TYT funds? That would be financial impropriety.
– Did Jordan have sexual activity with his TATM subordinates? That could cause its own issues, but if Jordan gets caught up in some kind of employee action at that organization it reflects badly on TYT since Jordan was most strongly associated with TYT.
There is plenty we don’t know yet and the cause of the firing might not be the sexual assault allegation itself, even if the allegation is what started the chain of events that led to other information being found out which eventually caused Jordan to be fired.
As I stated previously …
Maybe TYT should employ some strong MATURE woman to head their investigative field teams instead of 30-something men & 20-something women.
That may sound old school, but I’m a woman over 50 and all the reported extracurricular activity sounds like no one was steering the Love Boat.
True, but even without knowing the full truth, anyone can see and state with certainty that all this is plenty damaging to TYT, with more damage to come.
Not sure why the action of an employee would be damaging to TYT. Is Charlie Rose’s actions damaging to CBS, PBS and Bloomberg? Mark Halperin’s actions damaging to MSNBC? Kevin Spacey’s actions damaging to Netflix? All of these corporations acted swiftly just like TYT is doing with Jordan. O’Reilly and Ailes actions were damaging to FOX because they tried paying off the victims to keep their silence.
Yes, everything you cited involved damage to the organization cited, though with wildly varying degrees and forms.
These analogies are flawed and not very instructive to us, however, because
1) every single one of those organizations is far bigger and far more powerful than TYT is, and so it is much easier for these behemoths to shrug off any kind of damage, and
2) Relatively speaking, Jordan Chariton is far more central and important to TYT than any of the above personages were to theirs. Jordan was one of the pillars upholding TYT’s claim of being truly progressive, as well as their claim of doing aggressive, important investigative work.
“Clinton is a flawed candidate” it’s not that simple. No, she was not perfect. She was ‘harassed’ more than any candidate in history because she was a woman. The lies told were numerous and perpetuated by the Russians. Please stop criticizing her.
Flawed Candidate?
That has got to be the Understatement of the Year, or at least a nominee.
Love her or hate her, no one has ever called Hillary weak.
Harassed more than anyone because she’s a woman? Pu-leeze.
Being a strong woman, she knew that was going to be the lamest of attacks.
I imagine that was like water rolling off a duck’s back.
All I will say about the other excuse for people being so hard on poor, little, wilting-flower Hillary …
Lies told by the GOP were the best thing that ever happened to the Clintons. Because the GOP was so stupid as to tell obvious lies, it allowed too many Dems to dismiss ALL allegations regarding the Clintons as if it were ALL part of a “vast right wing conspiracy.”
The truth is that Bill and Hillary Clinton are very bad people who have done many very bad things. They are both accomplished liars. They are a couple of Arkansas Grifters who conned the Democratic Party and too many American voters into trusting them with the car keys. They have become mega-wealthy by selling out the working and middle classes to the Corporate Oligarchy.
Please, learn some real history. The Clintons have been a cancer on the body politic.
Was that so hard, Cenk? All you had to do is acknowledge the situation with Jordan.
You state you cannot comment legally at this time, fair enough.
To leave members totally in the dark, and give a slappy-happy Thanksgiving Post-game, was a bad move.
Post-games are suppose to be “where membership has its privilege.”
Appears that’s just a marketing ploy, so I stand by the comments I made there y’day.
It feels more & more like TYT’s corporate mentality is taking over.
I know some of the hosts think they are “pragmatic progressives” (like Ana or John) but outside of Jimmy, Steve & Malcolm, they more often side with Russia hysteria and fixing the DNC-Clintoncrat Party.
This whole episode has been a painful reminder that in the end, it’s not results that count, it’s Company First.
AGAIN … Where are the strong progressive women over 40?
Not one. Not one host. Not one journalist.
Is there a mysterious unseen woman w/a few grey hairs, behind the scenes who is a fierce Progressive?
If there is, who is she?
TYT likes their women hosts young & spunky, but not old enough to challenge the old bulls.
Though Ana will challenge Cenk, she never does against Michael or Ben.
Maybe the investigative journalist teams should be headed by adult women and not 30-something boys.
There is no doubt that TYT would be stronger if some older progressive women were involved. The over-reliance on tender young females has been very noticeable. No females old enough or aggressive enough to challenge The Boys. (Ana is almost there… but not quite yet.)
I had not thought about it before, but now I realize this is one reason I always enjoy Steph on Aggressive Progressives. So refreshing to see an older woman. I had not realized how thirsty I was, until you made me realize that she’s been the lone drink of cool water we miss on the main show.
They do have some women in charge. The definitely need more. But Cenk still sits at the top of the pyramid. There’s no woman in power enough to challenge him, I don’t think. Maybe that should change.
And you’re right about the age thing. Why all these older men on the air, but every woman is under 30 but Ana? Are there no journalist women in their 50’s or 60’s out there who might be valuable?
I hope that we can get to a point where Jordan Chariton spills ALL the beans about what’s been going on behind the scenes at TYT during the past two years, and that he spills them truthfully. That way, us members can finally get some real transparancy from Cenk and his buddies, not just their lip service to transparancy.
More than anything, I want to know what is written in the contract between TYT and the corporate investors who gave them $20 million…but maybe even Jordan doesn’t know that.
In the contract for that generous “gift,” were there any strings attached?
I don’t know that we ever had an answer for that.
Another leftover stain from this episode is the freely give ammo that has been created.
Flint water Crisis?
“Oh, TYT had that sexual abuser Jordan Chariton covering that story! It’s totally overblown.”
Standing Rock?
“TYT had Jordan Chariton, that orgy-guy who forces young women to have sex with him. Stnading Rock is no where near as bad as he said.”
> Flint water Crisis? “Oh, TYT had that sexual abuser Jordan Chariton covering that story! It’s totally overblown.”
> Standing Rock? “TYT had Jordan Chariton, that orgy-guy who forces young women to have sex with him. Stnading Rock is no where near as bad as he said.”
Exactly, all that work is basically undone now. That coverage is now a liability to those activists and movements, not an asset or aid.
It is crazy that we have somehow ended up in this place. This terrible outcome.
So, just because Jordan did some great coverage in Flint, he should be given a free pass? Unfortunately, the outcome of what we’re seeing is that many talented men’s work is being tainted by their sexual misconduct (like Charlie Rose, for example). If a man’s work is tainted by his poor behavior, it’s on him, not on his employer or his victims. If you don’t want your good work tarnished by shitty accusations, then don’t act like an asshole.
All that said, I will withhold judgment about Jordan until all the facts are revealed. I am simply using him as an example at this point.
I don’t think ANYONE at TYT should be given a “free pass.” I think everyone agrees on that.
BUT, these young men & women doing this work have now jeopardized their credibility cuz they got drunk and did or didn’t do something . Regardless of guilty or not-guilty, the sound-bites are out there now.
AGAIN … it appears TYT should employ MATURE women to herd these cats.
Enough with the summer camp antics.
At the very least, this whole episode of TYT sex-capades sounds like a bad 80’s college movie.
Lots of great journalism now clouded with raging hormones, booze & regrets.
No one should be given a free pass, if it can be helped. That was not the point I believe. It was just an observation that this work is now tainted either way. In any possible scenario that evolves from this point, even TYT itself will now mention the work as little as possible, since they can’t mention it without bringing up JC.
If he spills “everything” that has been going on the past two years do you think that would include things that would make him look bad? I ask this because according to VARIOUS accounts, he sounds like a straight up douche bag.
I just wonder what he would get out of telling all, when telling all would probably include telling things that would make him even more unemployable than he is looking to be right now?
Disclaimer: I am a new member (familiar with TYT for years) and don’t know Jordan well so this is genuine curiosity and not rhetorical or to start a debate.
> If he spills “everything” that has been going on the past two years do you think that would include things that would make him look bad?
Things that make Jordan look bad are not likely to be relevant to the state of TYT’s financials, its various deals across the years (with Buddy Roemer, with its advertisers like Aspiration Bank, and so on and so on). In that sense it would not matter greatly if he leaves out his individual failings and his more trivial mistakes.
As I said, that is my priority: I think TYT has long been dishonest with its members, not giving them the transparancy they deserve. If this can be corrected somehow through Jordan’s firing, as a side effect, then that could be the one good thing to come out of this mess IMO.
*Trump pardoned Mitch McConnell? With that neck and gobbler? SAD!
*Go to WASHINGTON D.C.?!! Are you crazy?! Everyone there will be trying to grab your snatch or your junk before you know they were standing there! It’s the most dangerous place on Earth right now! Stay away if you don’t want to be sexually harassed or raped!
*TWO MORE fundraisers on TYT just in this hour. Does anyone else want to tell me this isn’t seeming more and more like a PBS station during the pledge drives? I’m personally sick of it, Cenk. I’ve already paid my member dues. The next time you want us to raise more money in the next six months, start by selling your f’ing Rolex first. The only fundraiser I’m giving money to this year would be the “Give Ana a Raise” fundraiser!
> this is more like a PBS station during the pledge drives
Hey, PBS is at least a non-profit. Unlike TYT.
I still can’t believe that it took me this long to realize just how crazy it is to be donating money to a for-profit media company that is based in LA, has had at least one Republican investor for years, etc.
Just out of curiosity: if you hate TYT so much and don’t want to support it, what are you doing commenting in the paid members section? Are you a glutton for punishment or is this your “clever” way of planting seeds of dissent from within?
I don’t “hate” TYT at all, and certainly not the people who are its employees. I just have an increasing number of grievances with TYT as an organization.
I used to believe in TYT’s apparent, stated mission to be a “progressive, independent news network” that is opposed to the political establishment and the MSM. That is the only reason I ever signed up (I didn’t really needed the “premium content”, I was happy just to be ‘TYT Army’). But TYT’s actions increasingly suggest that it cannot/will not live up to this mission. It’s clearly becoming less progressive, less independent, and more corporate.
There are no good ways to deal with this problem, but I’m certainly not just going to leave from one day to the next. I will discuss these issues and problems with fellow members at length. With some of the people here, I have had incredibly long conversations, over thousands of posts. Some of them are my friends. This isn’t just about individuals: TYT Members are a social group, a collective, and, if I have to cut my ties with it (over issues with “TYT” as a company and as an organization) then I will do so with great reluctance.
Bottom line, as a fairly longtime member, I now feel a certain amount of responsibility towards the wayward TYT but even moreso towards its members. I fear that some of the more naive members are being exploited by TYT’s increasingly hypocritical business plans, and this riles me. I cannot just ignore this.
If things get especially bad, will I contribute “dissent from within”? Well, yes of course. That would be the right thing to do. And anyway, in that case there will be plenty of “dissent within” being brewed by many others, regardless of whether I contribute to it or not.
Just out of curiosity, are you 9 years old? If you’re not 9 years old, you shouldn’t have a philosophy that says you either support something 100% and never criticize it, or you hate it. There’s this whole grey area in the middle there, where criticism is actually a good thing.
Ok I watched the show. I loved expect for the worshiping the Gods Ivanka.
Great.work TYT.
it’s easy for me.to fire of comments at home.
I couldn’t do any better.
Alright, thanks Cenk. At least you commented as far as you could legally on Jordan. That keeps me suscribed for the time being. I’d wish you would finally get off the Russia hysteria train, but since that has (finally, I hope) gone way into the background on TYT, I can live with that as well.
We’re all members here and most of us probably donated to hire these journalists. I wanted to throw my 2 cents in about Jordan.
I don’t care about what he does with his ding dong- so long as it is consensual. I don’t know the facts of that. I do know that I have never appreciated his unprofessionalism. His blasé or even holier-than-thou approach when talking to experts, scientists, and witnesses has always angered me- especially in Flint. I’ve wanted the news and not the Jordan Show- that’s what I pay for. The ability of people like Nomi and Ryan Grim to provide facts, analysis, and opinion without the carnival sideshow is something I can be proud of. I’m fucking thrilled to have these people building on the TYT brand- especially as we’re running primary candidates now. I like Emma too, but I’d like more than just hot takes. I’m sure she is having the hardest time with this adjustment. So I just want to add that I think she is valuable and worth my money if she grows.
Without knowing anything about the truth of the allegations, TYT Politics was turning into The Real World in Jordan’s Apartment with a cycling cast of characters passing judgements and hot takes on the news. Frankly, I don’t give a fuck what a bunch of funded frat boys think about Hillary Clinton or Nancy Pelosi on any given day. I don’t care to be in their fucking kitchen or on their sofa. It looked a lot like drinking and doing the bare minimum to keep the money coming in and it was destroying the TYT brand. I want to run real progressives in primaries and win elections. I don’t want the political kardashians.
Then the complete play-by-play nonsense and accusations from Jordan on social media… No. Allegations be damned, that’s fucking enough. How much damage is anyone going to allow someone to do to their brand out of loyalty? You can only bear so much. Jordan can turn out to be a sexual saint and he should still be let go. TYT, learn from this and move on. TYT Politics can be great. It must be professional though.
Jordan, best of luck. I hope you learn from this too and don’t ever start a fucking competing company to the one that your fucking working for. What’s wrong with you?
RE: the new Democratic “devastating” commercial on Moore’s misconduct
it seems to me that Moore’s Democratic challenger is playing the same losing game that Hillary played with Trump. The focus on Moore’s misconduct did not matter to Trump voters. So playing identity politics is a losing strategy.
The kiss-of-death is that Trump has all but endorsed Moore, which means that his read of the situation is that voters don’t consider Moore’s sexual misconduct a factor in their voting.
Voters will rationalize away these problems and it started with Democrats back in the Clinton days.
True, true and more true. Trumpism is a cult, as Reza Azlan said. We must accept that the base will not budge and Moore will not lose a single vote over this. Furthermore, the more he is attacked, the more passionate his Doomsday Cult will feel about turning out the vote to defeat the Democratic Satan Candidate.
The only way Doug Jones wins is if MORE Democrats and Independents feel passionate about turning out the vote. That will not happen based on attack ads. Give people something POSITIVE to vote for.
Like, The People’s Platform. Run on Medicare for All and Tuition-Free College, etc.
Thanks for this. I also think that this was coming on for a while and the latest accusation just tipped things over the edge. Sexual accusation is not the only thing (or maybe even not at all the thing) for which he was let go. I can’t imagine Cenk and TYT not fighting tooth and nail for Jordan here (and they did immediately initiate an impartial investigation btw) unless there weren’t other things that were also happening. Unprofessional misconduct isn’t limited to sex. Actually, Jordan’s dogged focus on the sexual misconduct allegation is what makes my ears perk up. I have a feeling that he started spinning that defense and using his social media following for leverage in order to counteract other stuff going on (the real reasons he was let go). This is all wild speculation of course, but knowing Cenk and TYT I have a hard time believing they’d throw a good employee under the bus for no reason.
In a broader sense, I agree, but I don’t think this is a bad idea. I live in a deep red state, and few progressive ideas are going to get a listen if they come from someone with a D behind their name. There is a knee-jerk reaction involved to the point of hysteria in keeping ‘liberals’ (which is synonymous with godless baby killers and hedonistic free-loaders to some of these people). It’s a war that Dems have been fighting in weird ways for awhile. Pulling purportedly respectable conservative voices out to say “THIS GUY is bad, no, for real” is different than simply running as not Trump. It pulls out the conservative notes to focus not on retaining a conservative seat in the Senate they desperately need, but to point out the obvious – you are voting for a child molester. Party be damned, you are saying child molestation is ok if you do this.
Progressive platforms are often cross-party appeal, but I’m not sure how progressive Doug Jones is. Regardless, there are areas in deep red states where compromises have to be made. Becoming corporate Dems isn’t the answer, but letting someone proclaim themselves to be personally ‘pro-life’ should be ok, because the opposite shuts ears to the rest, however dumb we think that is.
The larger question is, if this was intentional to fracture the movement, who was really behind it? Did it work? Taking Jordan down, if that is the case, and TYT divides, and loses people, that would be really disturbing.
What if corporate interests defame Cenk or another person in the movement? I just want to know if it was a hit job and if that’s possible then, what are the implications of that, what could be done? If it’s all interpersonal, that’s a different car accident.
I mentioned this on another day, but I’ll mention it again (and probably again later) since TYT keeps pushing their black Friday sales that I can’t participate in. . . Please expand Your Women’s designs/sizes. You have 1 page (more like ½ a page) of Women’s tees compared to 4 pages of tees for Men. I want to buy Your INTERESTING shirts (which are only available to Men). . . Not the boring, bland ass shit You have available for Women’s tees. Please make all the same shirts You have available for men in women’s sizes also. We have wit and sense of humor also. We get cultural references also. Why can’t We get the good designs as well?? I’m almost sure probably around half Your fan base is Women, so why are the great designs only for the men?? If nothing else- isn’t this just a bad business model? Make the CREATIVE designs available for both Men and Women and You’ll probably sell 2x as much, No??
Thanks for acknowledging what happened with Jordan.
I’ll wait to hear both sides of the story before making my decision about who was in the right and who was in the wrong.
I won’t wait forever, so I do expect you guys to talk about it at some point, but I understand that you need to sort things out before you’re allowed to talk about it.
I can’t even watch TYT @ the moment as they unwittingly play to the Rights Propaganda. Al Franken & Roy Moore are lumped together.
I see a pattern. If your a Nigger basher you get open the door for Evil. You can rape kids, talk about Muslims, spicks etc. You must first drink the Elixer. If you don’t Nigga bash you get a short rope. You have to be perfect if not there is no program to support an evil non -nigger basher.
#Legacy
Ana & Cenk are the most honest media people in the market. But I question the paradigm/programming. Why call out the Right BS daily just to glorify them when they say one correct thing. I:e even God Mitch denounced Moor., or Comway got it right but back tracked.
It’s like dating s liar, cheater & thief calling them out and staying in the relationship. Why does Ana constantly say she listens to Right Wing media & tells others 2? The Left needs to grow a set. Lastly let’s stop saying do what you fell thier is no wrong free speech. I think the founders wanted
Free speech to promote Bette ideas.
#Higher. Still love you guys but it’s amazing to see the Left suck the Rights dick night after Night. It’s truly abusive.
I think the point is to show that they pretend to be human, but then quickly realize where they get paid and become giant hypocrites again. It’s to show that the corporatist right is fooling us (or at least their diehard supporters) by spouting easy truths, and then mixing it with outright lies.
The instruments of darkness tell us truths,
Win us with honest trifles, to betray’s
In deepest consequence.
As someone who was a fan of the journalistic contributions Jordan made to TYT, they absolutely made the right decision to fire him. Regardless of whose accounts of the situation you decide to take at face value, he very clearly never needs to be in any sort of management position again. His own recollection of the events still make it painfully clear that he was behaving wildly inappropriately with younger female members of his staff and blurring any discernible line between his personal and professional life.
The people saying that his being fired before any investigation is somehow troubling or without merit is absurd. His admission of how the evening played out under his accounts is more than warranting his dismissal from the company. And his decision to sue TYT for putting himself in this situation speaks to how much character he really has.
I get using your platform, but i’m tuning in for news, and i feel like half the show is pushing the different campaigns TYT has going or reading tweets from the same 10 people every day… Come on man, if tyt becomes a wolf pac/justice dems lobbying arm and only wants to acknowledge the same few commentators every single day, then it’s not the organization I thought it was.
Well, TYT you lost me now. Ive been loyal in your corner through thick & thin but now you’re aggressively on the side of accusations & allegations are enough culture. Fuck your individual pogrom & authoritarian pogrom support for accusers. Same as leads to beating, nooses, & Holocaust. Never another dollar & made a political enemy of me.
Jordan did this to himself. Drunken orgies with much younger women who work for you… not smart. He is something of a rockstar among millennials and it went to his head. Too much unprofessional behavior. Actions have consequences.
He is a good reporter and I hope he moves forward a wiser one, too. I wish him all the best success. We need more good reporters, not less. Good luck, Jordan.
With the financial power behind of TYT’s opponents (remember Dave Rubin) TYT will be taken to the cleaners with lawsuits if they make a single legal mistake that is why they are careful.
Cenk, thank you for acknowledging the thing that happened with Jordan! There’s obviously more to this situation than we know, so none of us can accurately judge what should have happened. I just didn’t like feeling like it was being covered up or ignored by TYT. Now I see that you do plan to talk about it. I totally get having to wait to comment until more of it unfolds. Thank you for at least giving us as much transparency as you’re able to for now. I’m looking forward to hearing what you have to say when you’re able to say more.
Y’all [usually Cenk] mention putting links to articles discussed/videos shown/etc in the video for when it is posted as a YouTube clip, you’ve even said about putting them on the videos on Facebook.
So why can’t you take the time to add a small related links section on each video posting– just put it under the episode description. Feels kind of ridiculous to not have any of the links listed on the place I pay to watch these videos; however you will take the time to put them in a description on a service where people are not paying to be members watching your videos.
I appreciate the links when I watched the videos on YouTube, but now that I’ve been a member watching here, I’d be super appreciative seeing them here.
Fair enough, you have a valid point. My reasoning though: usually I put the show on and complete other work while listening/glancing at the screen for certain videos. If I’m on my computer and can take a second to open a tab and type in the article, I do and bookmark it in hopes I remember to come back to it. If I’m not on my computer, doing busy work, or working out while watching then I often don’t have the opportunity to jot down on paper or on the computer, which of course leads to me usually forgetting what the article was/what publication it was in.
I’m just sayin’ since they get all that info compiled for the YouTube video anyway- just copy and paste it here too.
I don’t care if Jordan is guilty or not guilty. We were having a discussion about Jordan on the private facebook page for members and then TYT literally closed the group. Saying some garbage that they are “consolidating member activities”. This is like 1984, when they would wipe out parts of history, first we had WesClarke, then Michael Woods, now Jordan. And NOT A SINGLE DAMN sentence about them?!?!! Have some respect for your members! At least say a damn word about them.
Legal reasons. Deal with it. Move forward, volunteer, run for office, give back.
TYT needs to keep the Army strong. One person can not be allowed to drag the movement down – even if they are innocent. It sucks if they are.
As far as Wes Clark goes, he became delusional…literally. Find the posts on FB…hope he is getting help.
I would like to know what happened with Michael Wood Jr. But it was a decision made by TYT. I trust TYT. Until they show themselves to be unworthy of my trust, I’ll do my part to keep the movement going.
Your mentality is EXACTLY the mentality of followers of Alex Jones, religious cults, but you just pick a different side of the same coin. The point of TYT and proper journalism is not to “trust” anyone but be loyal only to the truth itself. I do think Wes lost it as well, and I didn’t like Michael Woods point arguing with Ana, and I actually think Jordan firing is justified too. But just because I like TYT content on some topics or I agree with them on these topics and I am a paying member doesn’t mean I have to trust and accept EVERYTHING they do. That is just nonsense and goes against everything that TYT stands for and why it was founded. I like TYT and been members for 10 years+, but when I see something shady going on at TYT and people like Woods or Clarke have been wiped off the face of the earth and pretend they didn’t even exist and are banned from the building, I know it is wrong and I question it. Just because I agree with TYT about taxes or healthcare or corruption of money in politics doesn’t mean I have to agree blindly with EVERYTHING they do and move on.
Or does it just get more complicated with legal implications and fear of suing, so on and so forth? Technically Jordan could sue for defamation of character if they said ANYTHING.
@capaneo – Ok, dude. Jesus…people are getting pointlessly worked up. You obviously don’t understand cult mentality, and have never interacted with an Alex Jones fanatic. If your FB page was associated with TYT in any way, again – legal reasons. It sucks, but that’s the way it is.
Look, when one of the panel, or a reporter says something I don’t agree with, I speak my mind. One of the greatest things about TYT is the diversity of opinion. So yeah, of course I don’t agree with everything, but as of right now, TYT as a whole is trustworthy, in my personal, fucking, opinion. The moment there is actual evidence that TYT is doing some shady shit, I’m gone…It would be a sad day, but oh well. I’m talking about real, actual, wrongdoing – not your perceived shadiness when they aren’t giving you the explanation you think you deserve. I understand you’re frustrated, but that doesn’t mean you need to act like you’re an executive on the board that needs to know all the details of every decision TYT makes regarding an employee/contributor, RIGHT NOW, or ever. They don’t owe you that.
Let me ask you a genuine question – Do you follow/watch TYT so you can hear about all the executive decisions within the company? Did you sign up as a member thinking you were going to be in on all the TYT gossip? Is that what was promised? Or are we – actually – fucking – here – to hear stories and perspective analysis that you would never hear on the mainstream media. To gain the understanding that there is a lot at stake, and to then hopefully go out and make a difference in our local communities, cities, counties, states, and country. Because if not, you’re here for the wrong reason, in my opinion.
Having said all that – keep speaking your mind, fam. I’m fuckin shook about Wes and Michael. I’d be lying if I said they didn’t gain hero status in my mind at some point. There is a shit-ton of info out there on Jordan’s debacle. It’s messy.
Anyway – hope you have a great Thanksgiving. Peace.
Only if TYT ordered more! I can’t use my phone or computer while working so I lucked out on the caps! To whoever ordered themselves one… I secretly hate you.. Quite literally
To the so called ‘progressives’ in the comment section: You sure are quick to jump on the support #metoo bandwagon until it hits close to home. Good to know that most of you want TYT to instantly blame the victim.
A lead investigative journalist creates a sexual environment towards their intern and you think TYT needs a giant investigation? Jordan only denies consent and somehow sees no problem with someone being unable to consent when they are 1. intoxicated and 2. in a position of lower power. This is why people don’t come forward whether you be left, right, or centrist because the response is always the same.
I’ve said it before, TYT was in the right to fire Jordan – By Jordan’s account ALONE it’s clear he was violating professional ethics. But don’t paint everyone defending Jordan, or reserving judgment with the same brush. Of course it’s painful when allegations come out about someone you like/admire, but you have no idea whether or not the people you are shaming also reserved judgement when someone they disliked was accused. Sometimes it is obvious, and sometimes, it’s hesheshehesheheSHE said, heshesheheshesheHE said. There are so many conflicting accounts of the “incident” with females and males defending and backing Jordan and males/females defending and backing the woman. I think at this point the only thing I’m convinced of, is that Jordan is a misogynistic, massively inappropriate guy. Whether or not he assaulted, or harassed, is not clear. More women may come forward and more patterns may emerge.
Hypothetical reference – Where things stand now, if Jordan was running for the senate in my state – I would not vote for him.
Not a grinder, just a holder. Makes it easier to cut their heads off. Familiarity with where your food comes and how it gets there will either makes you more knowledgeable or vegan.
After reading the full account on both sides of the Jordan Chariton situation, TYT has A LOT of explaining to do. I hope they get on that sooner rather than later.
Paula mentions TYT throughout her op-ed, but the two quotes I pulled out are the ones I feel are relevant to bring into this topic.
1.” Chariton has no work ethic yet constantly complained about his relations with TYT saying that Cenk was always “jacking off to himself.” On the morning of November 8, I was sitting at Jordan’s desk, in his kitchen, checking in on my husband and son while my phone was charging. I even have a text of me describing to my husband the scene unfolding in front of me at that time because it was so bizarre.
Jordan and Ty were directly in front of me in the bathroom discussing TYT Politics as Ty was trimming Jordan’s beard for him, when suddenly; they shut the door and proclaimed that they were talking on “private matters.”
My interest was piqued but I tried to ignore their conversation. My son had ear infections in each of his ears so my concerns weren’t on them at that moment. That’s when I heard Jordan tell Ty: “What Nomi is doing is unethical. You cannot write speeches for politicians and then report on it!” That’s when I got up from where I was sitting in the kitchen and started looking for my books.
I was slowly starting to realize how disorganized and unplanned the Summit really was and was really disappointed to discover that TYT and TAtM were never trustworthy organizations”
2. “I overheard a phone call between Emma Vigeland and Jordan before she went live for TYT Politics to announce some ridiculous rap song collab between Jordan and Ty for a certain increase in viewership, Emma told Jordan that she still hadn’t received an anticipated pay raise as promised by TYT during that conversation. Also, Ty, Emma and Jordan lamented that their paychecks were going to come in late, again, which apparently is standard practice at TYT, how progressive.”
No worries – we’re all trying to wrap our heads around this madness. Turns out, Jordan, for all the good reporting he’s done, is a shitty person. I’ve seen many accounts of people saying Jordan would talk shit on TYT and Cenk. What Paula heard is disturbing, but not proof of anything. It’s hearsay. I’m not going to get worked up about it, and I doubt TYT will justify all the back and forth dragging through the mud bs with a response. Jordan fucked up in so many ways. He’s going to have to live with it.
There is no “member number” that’s why they stopped saying it on the air. All they were doing back then was reading the chronological number in the left-hand column of the Excel spreadsheet. Chron number changes every time the spreadsheet is updated.
Jordan Chariton has posted a detailed account of his side of things on Medium, and his accuser did a long, rambling interview on Tim Black’s show, so saying that TYT can’t comment because of privacy concerns is simply not true. If TYT’s intent is to convince us that they are turning into just another corporate-controlled media outlet, they are succeeding.
This was my gut reaction, but after researching claims on both sides, wither or not the claims are true Jordan shouldn’t have put himself in that situation which he admits to in his medium post. You don’t do those sorts of things with people who work for you. I really like(‘d) Jorden I don’t know if the claims are valid or not but what he admits is damning enough. Any reasonable company would term someone given the facts.
Hammond was not an employee of Chariton; she did unpaid work for his TATM side project. Even if you 100% believe her account, there is no assault described:
Hammond also wrote articles for TATM. She and the other reporters were not paid for their work for TATM.
Hammond said they all got into a hot tub together, drank more alcohol, and Chariton eventually left and went to bed.
Hammond said that she decided to go to sleep later and the only bed available was Chariton’s.
In Chiakulas’ report, Hammond said that she eventually kicked Chariton and he stopped, apologized, and took her to the lobby.
Chariton said they spent the next few hours in the lobby talking and being affectionate. He said that she wrote him on Facebook the next morning: “Thanks for sacrificing sleep to talk to me last night. I really appreciate it.”
Regardless of whether she received a paycheck, he held power in the field that she wanted to break into. He had major connections at TYT, and he was “the boss” at TATM. It does not matter if she was doing the work without getting paid. She was doing the work for a person who she looked up to, who had influence over her budding career, and had the power to end it (in her mind).
Regardless of whether this was a consensual thing or not, he was still her boss. To say he wasn’t is ridiculous.
I never said she wasn’t her boss; I was noting that the gig should certainly not be construed as some high-paid job that someone would be desperate to keep. I think it’s crucial to note that (as far as I’ve seen) there has not been the even the slighted accusation that Chariton threatened her in any way.
Sorry that should have read: I never said he wasn’t her boss; I was noting that the gig should certainly not be construed as some high-paid job that someone would be desperate to keep. I think it’s crucial to note that (as far as I’ve seen) there has not been the even the slighted accusation that Chariton threatened her in any way.
Do you think that all of the victims of Weinstein, The Big Wigs at Fox News, and Kevin Spacey were making big bucks?
Maybe a few were, but I would guess most of them were not making much at all. That why these guys got away with it for so god damn long. The victims were nobodies (in their careers). This works in the favor of the powerful predator in a couple ways off the top of my head.
Since they are nobodies, and mostly young, they don’t know how the business works. They don’t know if this is the kind of thing that “just goes along with being in the business”–of journalism, acting, etc–and since they are so low on the totem pole they do not think that anyone will take their allegations seriously.
Second, since they are low paid and new to these industries they do not want to rock the boat. Certainly, most of these victims look(ed) up to their perpetrator before the incident. Afterward, they believe coming forward will hinder their careers. In fact, it has been reported that these people who victimize have actually said things along the line of “if you come forward with this I WILL RUIN YOU.” Now, I am not saying that Chariton threatened her like this. What I am saying is that we don’t know how the power difference affected their relationship. What we do know is that he had the power.
So, I guess I just don’t understand what it is that you are trying to say. Just because it was not a high paying job does not mean it wasn’t her dream job, at the time. It does not mean that she did not think it was exactly what she was meant to be doing at the time. It does not mean she did not think Chariton could lead her to bigger, better, and more lucrative opportunities.
I don’t know if he thought about any of this. I know what I have read from different accounts and what I have read is that he wore his power very arrogantly and he used it to get women and HE thought he could make a world of difference in other people’s careers. But, still, I don’t know what he actually thought. Perhaps this is a huge conspiracy and smear campaign. For what? I don’t know. But look, I am open to possibilities.
We can speculate over whether or not she is a participant of consensual sex or a victim of sexual assault; whether this is a smear campaign. The fact remains though; He had power over Carly. He had power over Carly’s budding journalism career.
Further, I am concerned about some of the stuff I have read regarding TYT employee culture. It doesn’t sit well with me. I am hoping it is addressed because I am feeling very disappointed and disheartened by what I have read. I don’t want to believe everything I read, but it gave me a gut feeling that it wasn’t pure fabrications.
Again – TYT is not TATM. Jordan founded Truth Against the Machine. So…are you referring to TATM employee culture? Because I have read as much as I can find down this rabbit hole, and watched hours of interviews and rants…I never found anything regarding TYT employee culture, just TATM. Please share what you have found if I missed it. Thank you!!
I am unsure if your journey down the rabbit hole led you to this article or not. If so, TYT was mentioned around 20 times. Some things stood out, other mentions were given for context. Here are two examples of culture for ya from the article.
1.” Chariton has no work ethic yet constantly complained about his relations with TYT saying that Cenk was always “jacking off to himself.” On the morning of November 8, I was sitting at Jordan’s desk, in his kitchen, checking in on my husband and son while my phone was charging. I even have a text of me describing to my husband the scene unfolding in front of me at that time because it was so bizarre.
Jordan and Ty were directly in front of me in the bathroom discussing TYT Politics as Ty was trimming Jordan’s beard for him, when suddenly; they shut the door and proclaimed that they were talking on “private matters.”
My interest was piqued but I tried to ignore their conversation. My son had ear infections in each of his ears so my concerns weren’t on them at that moment. That’s when I heard Jordan tell Ty: “What Nomi is doing is unethical. You cannot write speeches for politicians and then report on it!” That’s when I got up from where I was sitting in the kitchen and started looking for my books.
I was slowly starting to realize how disorganized and unplanned the Summit really was and was really disappointed to discover that TYT and TAtM were never trustworthy organizations”
2. “I overheard a phone call between Emma Vigeland and Jordan before she went live for TYT Politics to announce some ridiculous rap song collab between Jordan and Ty for a certain increase in viewership, Emma told Jordan that she still hadn’t received an anticipated pay raise as promised by TYT during that conversation. Also, Ty, Emma and Jordan lamented that their paychecks were going to come in late, again, which apparently is standard practice at TYT, how progressive.”
I hate that “pull yourself up by your bootstraps” saying. If you pull on your bootstraps all that happens is you jam your foot into your boot. No one can get up by just doing that.
yes he was.. and i dont think they’re gonna address it anytime soon. i read today Jordan is considering filing a lawsuit against TYT and The Intercept.. lawyers surely told TYT not to talk about it publicly
I really like Jordan, but after researching what happened, I think TYT was in the right in letting him go. There’s a whole sexual assault allegation on Jordan which personal I don’t think is credible given proof available. But regardless, if true or not. He shouldn’t have put himself in that situation with anything of sexual nature with people who work for you. That is something many companies would term over.
Anyone know what’s happening with Jordan and TYT? His twitter has blog posts where he states TYT fired him Last Friday. His blog posts detail a tail of a consensual sexual encounter between a married woman whom later regretted the encounter then claimed sexual assault. Jordan claims he is innocent and has text-based conversions proving no ill will from the woman in question. Jordan later suggests the woman. I really hope TYT didn’t overreact to the situation without anything for proof and the person being accused vehemently denying it.
Jordan has said he might sue TYT for slander. I’d say go for wrongful termination if his claims are true.
He has been accused of sexual misconduct. One person even said rape. It never ends, now I am sad that I donated money to help hire him.
Bad timing for TYT to be asking us to help them hire another guy. Just sayin.
I 100% believe Jordan’s version of the events. Hopefully this will all work out, but as this hour clearly illustrated, TYT is bigger than Jordan Chariton. If TYT needed to fire him, then so fucking be it. How is it that they should need to ask you to not go full on freakout…Jesus fucking Christ, people.
@etpol01 – TYT’s ideals and mission is bigger than any one person. I understand the anger and I feel it, too. Jordan was one of the reasons that made me decide to be a member. Because of the work he was doing. But I also know that Jordan would not have been able to do the things he’s done, and reached the audience he’s been able to reach, without Cenk hiring him, and without US contributing to TYT. Of course it’s important to be skeptical and ask questions. I’m just saying try to hold some judgement until presented with all the facts.
@stephanieann – I think there are ethical issues with Jordan’s behavior involving that woman, but the evidence I’ve seen (screenshots of conversations) and the fact that HuffPost took down the article, leads me to believe Jordan. Having said that…I guess there is always the possibility that he was inappropriate or abusive in some way. I take back the 100% and say this – As things stand now, it appears to be a smear campaign. Goddamn if I don’t need to practice what I preach. I’ll hold my final judgement on Jordan until such a time when all the facts are presented.
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Oh look! We just witnessed history! It’s Trumps first legal use of his pardoning power.
Nope, He pardoned that piece of shit Sherrif Joe.
Agreed on all counts.
Holy fuck, he said the word denies 11 times just in this 1 minute clip. He denies it!!!! He denies it! By the way, he totally denies it …. seriously trump is the most retarded man alive. His IQ must be 71, just enough to legally not be retarded but be the dumbest fuck ever, his daddy paid someone to say his IQ was 150+ as a kid and he’s gone with that his whole life, bragging like the idiot he is.
My problem is that Cenk isnt BEING HONEST!?
How can you get MONEY out of POLITICS when u can’t even PROVE that Jordan was guilty?! Afterall he did ur going to pretend that ur not doing an injustice?!
I’m disgusted with Cenk for not even saying something about what Jordan Chariton has done working at TYT and what he knows about the causes Jordan has worked on relentlessly and what Cenk’s experience has been as far as Jordan’s honesty and that sexual behavior between consenting adults is nobody else’s business, and the only issue here is whether the sexual behavior was consenting, and determining this takes time. I was blown away all the days I got up and there was Jordan again, again and again delivering stories from so many places I lost track. And let’s not forget Donna Brazile. We heard plenty then from Cenk about Jordan.
Jordan deserved more than two days.
He earned the right to be given the time needed to wait for the facts to clear up. Discarding like inconvenient garbage before being given the proper time brought shame to TYT.
If this was a decision made out of empathy, there would have been more time than two days. This was a decision made out of fear. Now sharks smell blood, and the truly empathic people are distanced from TYT and moved towards Jordan by default. This was a bad call…rationally and emotionally.
Why is it so difficult to understand that no investigation was needed in decision to fire Jordan. His own admitted accounts of the evening more than warrant his termination.
If you only go by his words, he participated in an orgy with a younger, married member of his staff in a hotel room more than likely being paid for by TYT.
So now after being rightfully let go from the company, he’s trying to sue TYT for his own overwhelming lack of judgement and professionalism.
As someone who greatly appreciated his contributions to this site, i’m incredibly disappointed in both his behavior and his response to being let go. Its unfortunate that he now finds himself at the center of this controversy, but lets not pretend that it isnt 100% his own fault.
Your values arent shared by others. There are plenty of marriages that are open, and are healthier for doing so. You dont really know the real emotional context or agreements going on there. There are plenty of people who are polyamorous who are more ethical and more empathic than you are, there are also those who are less so. You dont know enough to make a judgement call as to which is which.
Yes, an investigation was needed, yes time should have been warranted, and no, there was not enough information at the time, and there still isnt even now.
I’m not nor was I ever debating the healthiness of open relationships. I only included the fact the she was married as it just further demonstrates his poor decision making in this situation.
Do you not understand the core of the problem in that he was engaging in this behavior with a female employee nearly a decade younger than him? And in a hotel room payed for by his employers. In what world do you think thats acceptable behavior?
TYT had cause to fire him based on that alone, no investigation necessary because HE ADMITTED TO IT PUBLICLY. As for time, lord knows maybe they would have taken more time to investigate or discuss the matter internally if he didn’t decide to admit to everything in a rambling post on Medium.
I see people strongly want to say Obama was THE MAIN reason why net nuetrality is being destroyed.
I like how on net nuetrality story, your video started lagging
Sorry but that was just you and your “I paid only the official price” connection. I have already bribed my ISP contacts with black market cigars for a better connection to TYT’s servers.
(Only joking ;) … but as a foretaste of what’s to come).
While I love Justice Democrats, my gods that was more than half of the main hour.
I like the idea/motivation behind Justice Dems but there is a huge conflict of interest when it comes to covering them. TYT will now only cover Justice Dems and blackball its opponents who are to the left and generally have less money and less recognition. This is worse than corporate Medias blackout of Bernie in the primary.
Guilty until proven innocent
I suspect – meaning this is pure speculation – that Jordan is mostly innocent, but that he did things that make himself vulnerable; that allow others to misconstruct stories about him. This is based mostly on my judgment of being sort of like John Snow, if you will, meaning moral but not as smart as, say, John Iadarola or Cenk. I further suspect (with less confidence) that him being fired was a political move. Finally, with the least amount of confidence, I also suspect that it was the correct move (mostly based on respecting Cenk’s judgment).
If the first two assumptions are true, then I am not upset by it. I do think that being in a position like this comes with dangers and that behaving ethically is not enough; you also have to be smart. If you not, if you do mistakes and have the bad luck to punish it, this happens. I think Cenk values the progressive fight more than individual loyalty and I would agree with that.
Of course, it could also be that the allegations are in fact true and TyT simply fired him because they suspected that they were true. I just enjoy specualating so there you go.
Jordan posted this on Medium and I assume he wants it spread https://medium.com/@jordanchariton/explaining-my-tyt-absence-a7cfdb8705ba
I have zero idea if it’s true or not but I do know what it feels like to have people lie about past encounters to ruin someone. It’s super rare, about 1% of victims, but when it happens, it really sucks.
It is almost certainly a lot higher than 1%.
http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/02/17/lies-damned-lies-and-social-media-part-5-of-%E2%88%9E/
What a BS article. It goes on to rely that 40% of rape claims are “unfounded.” Well yeah, if the rape claim is too old it’s hard to prove true and if they never test the rape kit, then of course. Many rape cases aren’t even looked into so you can’t use that statistic.
The FBI says 8% but that doesn’t include all claims not filed with law enforcement, so that number is a bit lower.
That article was a lot of victim blaming and false-math to prove the writers bias. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrxTrR5_8Zo
I reserve my own judgment at this point, but I trust TYT and I agree that there was definitely too much grey in his relationships within the company.
But there are some weird/unexpected things in all accounts (Jordan, Hammond, Griffin) –
what I find weird f.e, based 100% on the accounts of both alleged victims, both stories begin with Jordan being unconscious, Jordan, not the alleged victims. And why we have talked about rare instances of male victims before, I think not a single story (of assault at least) over the last month was making allegations against female perpetrators, yet in this story there are 2 separate situations, 2 different women, making allegations of assault/sexual assault against 2 different other women. Not only that, but in both cases it had been those women allegedly starting the incident (clear assault in both cases, in Chelsea’s case sexual assault), while in both of their stories Jordan is still unconscious while they were starting these assaults?!
We live in strange times…
Btw if Jordan’s account was true, Hammond and Lyons would both be guilty of sexual harrassment themselves – I’m pretty sure having oral sex in someone’s bed while they’re asleep is not OK… but can you believe his account? It’s at least as weird as the other ones…
Cenk said Republicans put Ajit Pai on the FCC — no, Obama appointed Pai to the Commission.
I know Cenk knows that, it just struck me as interesting that now Cenk feels the need to pin that tail on the GOP donkey instead of where it belongs.
And yes, we (TYT Army) are all aware that the problem is Corporatism. Obama’s entire cabinet was picked for him by Wall Street. The only reason Net Neutrality survived under Obama is because of the push-back from (ironically) big internet corporations and their customers. The difference between a Corporate Democrat and a Corporate Republican is all but un-measurable.
Yes it’s true Obama appointed him to the commission in 2012. But Trump is the one who made him chairman and gave him the real power in January 2017.
Obama appointed Wheeler too, who was also a shill for the industry. However, he ended up implementing title II. It seems like maybe the president in power makes a difference and FCC chairs are not totally independent people who make their own decisions completely on their own.
After some necessary cultural and societal house cleaning regarding sexual assault I hope we can find solutions. It won’t be easy. I hope the news cycle isn’t full of sex abuse allegations for years to come especially if other worthy stories get bumped. In an ideal world consent is always interpreted by both sides in the same way and no abuse happens. Since this is a pipe dream then the following scenario where two wrongs make a right could work: he grabs her, she slaps him, end of story. I know this is overly simplified but I bet this actually happens all the time and we don’t hear about it. Phew! Right now for all the victims we need to hear about it. I hope we can get past it all most of the time. Good luck to all of us.
Glad to finally see the distinction between Moore’s actions and Franken’s actions.
It’s ironic that so many members accuse TYT of acting without sufficiently exploring the facts, but they do so without themselves knowing all the facts. I will withhold judgment on this at least until TYT makes their own statement about what went down. But I do agree with those who say that even if you totally disregard the accusation and look just at Jordan’s statement, that itself brings up some questions:
– When TYT sends Jordan to do reporting, does he also house some of his TATM staff in the hotel room that is paid for by TYT so they can cover the same story? That would be a clear conflict of interest.
– Did Jordan buy drinks for his TATM staff using TYT funds? That would be financial impropriety.
– Did Jordan have sexual activity with his TATM subordinates? That could cause its own issues, but if Jordan gets caught up in some kind of employee action at that organization it reflects badly on TYT since Jordan was most strongly associated with TYT.
There is plenty we don’t know yet and the cause of the firing might not be the sexual assault allegation itself, even if the allegation is what started the chain of events that led to other information being found out which eventually caused Jordan to be fired.
As I stated previously …
Maybe TYT should employ some strong MATURE woman to head their investigative field teams instead of 30-something men & 20-something women.
That may sound old school, but I’m a woman over 50 and all the reported extracurricular activity sounds like no one was steering the Love Boat.
I’m with you on that. TYT can use a little more generational diversity when it comes to their female correspondents.
Agree x100
So 20 year old women can’t be strong?
> There is plenty we don’t know yet
True, but even without knowing the full truth, anyone can see and state with certainty that all this is plenty damaging to TYT, with more damage to come.
Not sure why the action of an employee would be damaging to TYT. Is Charlie Rose’s actions damaging to CBS, PBS and Bloomberg? Mark Halperin’s actions damaging to MSNBC? Kevin Spacey’s actions damaging to Netflix? All of these corporations acted swiftly just like TYT is doing with Jordan. O’Reilly and Ailes actions were damaging to FOX because they tried paying off the victims to keep their silence.
Yes, everything you cited involved damage to the organization cited, though with wildly varying degrees and forms.
These analogies are flawed and not very instructive to us, however, because
1) every single one of those organizations is far bigger and far more powerful than TYT is, and so it is much easier for these behemoths to shrug off any kind of damage, and
2) Relatively speaking, Jordan Chariton is far more central and important to TYT than any of the above personages were to theirs. Jordan was one of the pillars upholding TYT’s claim of being truly progressive, as well as their claim of doing aggressive, important investigative work.
Yes, which is why those men were fired. Unlike at fox where they let sexual harassment and assault happen for years before doing anything about it.
“Clinton is a flawed candidate” it’s not that simple. No, she was not perfect. She was ‘harassed’ more than any candidate in history because she was a woman. The lies told were numerous and perpetuated by the Russians. Please stop criticizing her.
Stop criticizing a neoliberal, utterly corrupt war hawk? Never. You’ll have to shoot us first.
Flawed Candidate?
That has got to be the Understatement of the Year, or at least a nominee.
Love her or hate her, no one has ever called Hillary weak.
Harassed more than anyone because she’s a woman? Pu-leeze.
Being a strong woman, she knew that was going to be the lamest of attacks.
I imagine that was like water rolling off a duck’s back.
All I will say about the other excuse for people being so hard on poor, little, wilting-flower Hillary …
Russia, Rinse, Repeat.
Lies told by the GOP were the best thing that ever happened to the Clintons. Because the GOP was so stupid as to tell obvious lies, it allowed too many Dems to dismiss ALL allegations regarding the Clintons as if it were ALL part of a “vast right wing conspiracy.”
The truth is that Bill and Hillary Clinton are very bad people who have done many very bad things. They are both accomplished liars. They are a couple of Arkansas Grifters who conned the Democratic Party and too many American voters into trusting them with the car keys. They have become mega-wealthy by selling out the working and middle classes to the Corporate Oligarchy.
Please, learn some real history. The Clintons have been a cancer on the body politic.
Was that so hard, Cenk? All you had to do is acknowledge the situation with Jordan.
You state you cannot comment legally at this time, fair enough.
To leave members totally in the dark, and give a slappy-happy Thanksgiving Post-game, was a bad move.
Post-games are suppose to be “where membership has its privilege.”
Appears that’s just a marketing ploy, so I stand by the comments I made there y’day.
It feels more & more like TYT’s corporate mentality is taking over.
I know some of the hosts think they are “pragmatic progressives” (like Ana or John) but outside of Jimmy, Steve & Malcolm, they more often side with Russia hysteria and fixing the DNC-Clintoncrat Party.
This whole episode has been a painful reminder that in the end, it’s not results that count, it’s Company First.
AGAIN … Where are the strong progressive women over 40?
Not one. Not one host. Not one journalist.
Is there a mysterious unseen woman w/a few grey hairs, behind the scenes who is a fierce Progressive?
If there is, who is she?
TYT likes their women hosts young & spunky, but not old enough to challenge the old bulls.
Though Ana will challenge Cenk, she never does against Michael or Ben.
Maybe the investigative journalist teams should be headed by adult women and not 30-something boys.
> headed by adult women
Yeah, I feel something like newfound appreciation for Amy Goodman.
TYT’s longstanding over-reliance on interns also fits in here, somewhere.
There is no doubt that TYT would be stronger if some older progressive women were involved. The over-reliance on tender young females has been very noticeable. No females old enough or aggressive enough to challenge The Boys. (Ana is almost there… but not quite yet.)
I had not thought about it before, but now I realize this is one reason I always enjoy Steph on Aggressive Progressives. So refreshing to see an older woman. I had not realized how thirsty I was, until you made me realize that she’s been the lone drink of cool water we miss on the main show.
They do have some women in charge. The definitely need more. But Cenk still sits at the top of the pyramid. There’s no woman in power enough to challenge him, I don’t think. Maybe that should change.
And you’re right about the age thing. Why all these older men on the air, but every woman is under 30 but Ana? Are there no journalist women in their 50’s or 60’s out there who might be valuable?
As a 26-year-old, I would like to see more women in their 30’s and 40’s and even 50’s on TYT.
I hope that we can get to a point where Jordan Chariton spills ALL the beans about what’s been going on behind the scenes at TYT during the past two years, and that he spills them truthfully. That way, us members can finally get some real transparancy from Cenk and his buddies, not just their lip service to transparancy.
More than anything, I want to know what is written in the contract between TYT and the corporate investors who gave them $20 million…but maybe even Jordan doesn’t know that.
Do we know who or where the $20-mill came from?
In the contract for that generous “gift,” were there any strings attached?
I don’t know that we ever had an answer for that.
Another leftover stain from this episode is the freely give ammo that has been created.
Flint water Crisis?
“Oh, TYT had that sexual abuser Jordan Chariton covering that story! It’s totally overblown.”
Standing Rock?
“TYT had Jordan Chariton, that orgy-guy who forces young women to have sex with him. Stnading Rock is no where near as bad as he said.”
Not good.
> Flint water Crisis? “Oh, TYT had that sexual abuser Jordan Chariton covering that story! It’s totally overblown.”
> Standing Rock? “TYT had Jordan Chariton, that orgy-guy who forces young women to have sex with him. Stnading Rock is no where near as bad as he said.”
Exactly, all that work is basically undone now. That coverage is now a liability to those activists and movements, not an asset or aid.
It is crazy that we have somehow ended up in this place. This terrible outcome.
So, just because Jordan did some great coverage in Flint, he should be given a free pass? Unfortunately, the outcome of what we’re seeing is that many talented men’s work is being tainted by their sexual misconduct (like Charlie Rose, for example). If a man’s work is tainted by his poor behavior, it’s on him, not on his employer or his victims. If you don’t want your good work tarnished by shitty accusations, then don’t act like an asshole.
All that said, I will withhold judgment about Jordan until all the facts are revealed. I am simply using him as an example at this point.
I don’t think ANYONE at TYT should be given a “free pass.” I think everyone agrees on that.
BUT, these young men & women doing this work have now jeopardized their credibility cuz they got drunk and did or didn’t do something . Regardless of guilty or not-guilty, the sound-bites are out there now.
AGAIN … it appears TYT should employ MATURE women to herd these cats.
Enough with the summer camp antics.
At the very least, this whole episode of TYT sex-capades sounds like a bad 80’s college movie.
Lots of great journalism now clouded with raging hormones, booze & regrets.
No one should be given a free pass, if it can be helped. That was not the point I believe. It was just an observation that this work is now tainted either way. In any possible scenario that evolves from this point, even TYT itself will now mention the work as little as possible, since they can’t mention it without bringing up JC.
If he spills “everything” that has been going on the past two years do you think that would include things that would make him look bad? I ask this because according to VARIOUS accounts, he sounds like a straight up douche bag.
I just wonder what he would get out of telling all, when telling all would probably include telling things that would make him even more unemployable than he is looking to be right now?
Disclaimer: I am a new member (familiar with TYT for years) and don’t know Jordan well so this is genuine curiosity and not rhetorical or to start a debate.
> If he spills “everything” that has been going on the past two years do you think that would include things that would make him look bad?
Things that make Jordan look bad are not likely to be relevant to the state of TYT’s financials, its various deals across the years (with Buddy Roemer, with its advertisers like Aspiration Bank, and so on and so on). In that sense it would not matter greatly if he leaves out his individual failings and his more trivial mistakes.
As I said, that is my priority: I think TYT has long been dishonest with its members, not giving them the transparancy they deserve. If this can be corrected somehow through Jordan’s firing, as a side effect, then that could be the one good thing to come out of this mess IMO.
*Trump pardoned Mitch McConnell? With that neck and gobbler? SAD!
*Go to WASHINGTON D.C.?!! Are you crazy?! Everyone there will be trying to grab your snatch or your junk before you know they were standing there! It’s the most dangerous place on Earth right now! Stay away if you don’t want to be sexually harassed or raped!
*TWO MORE fundraisers on TYT just in this hour. Does anyone else want to tell me this isn’t seeming more and more like a PBS station during the pledge drives? I’m personally sick of it, Cenk. I’ve already paid my member dues. The next time you want us to raise more money in the next six months, start by selling your f’ing Rolex first. The only fundraiser I’m giving money to this year would be the “Give Ana a Raise” fundraiser!
> this is more like a PBS station during the pledge drives
Hey, PBS is at least a non-profit. Unlike TYT.
I still can’t believe that it took me this long to realize just how crazy it is to be donating money to a for-profit media company that is based in LA, has had at least one Republican investor for years, etc.
Just out of curiosity: if you hate TYT so much and don’t want to support it, what are you doing commenting in the paid members section? Are you a glutton for punishment or is this your “clever” way of planting seeds of dissent from within?
I don’t “hate” TYT at all, and certainly not the people who are its employees. I just have an increasing number of grievances with TYT as an organization.
I used to believe in TYT’s apparent, stated mission to be a “progressive, independent news network” that is opposed to the political establishment and the MSM. That is the only reason I ever signed up (I didn’t really needed the “premium content”, I was happy just to be ‘TYT Army’). But TYT’s actions increasingly suggest that it cannot/will not live up to this mission. It’s clearly becoming less progressive, less independent, and more corporate.
There are no good ways to deal with this problem, but I’m certainly not just going to leave from one day to the next. I will discuss these issues and problems with fellow members at length. With some of the people here, I have had incredibly long conversations, over thousands of posts. Some of them are my friends. This isn’t just about individuals: TYT Members are a social group, a collective, and, if I have to cut my ties with it (over issues with “TYT” as a company and as an organization) then I will do so with great reluctance.
Bottom line, as a fairly longtime member, I now feel a certain amount of responsibility towards the wayward TYT but even moreso towards its members. I fear that some of the more naive members are being exploited by TYT’s increasingly hypocritical business plans, and this riles me. I cannot just ignore this.
If things get especially bad, will I contribute “dissent from within”? Well, yes of course. That would be the right thing to do. And anyway, in that case there will be plenty of “dissent within” being brewed by many others, regardless of whether I contribute to it or not.
@pounamu
Just out of curiosity, are you 9 years old? If you’re not 9 years old, you shouldn’t have a philosophy that says you either support something 100% and never criticize it, or you hate it. There’s this whole grey area in the middle there, where criticism is actually a good thing.
Ok I watched the show. I loved expect for the worshiping the Gods Ivanka.
Great.work TYT.
it’s easy for me.to fire of comments at home.
I couldn’t do any better.
Alright, thanks Cenk. At least you commented as far as you could legally on Jordan. That keeps me suscribed for the time being. I’d wish you would finally get off the Russia hysteria train, but since that has (finally, I hope) gone way into the background on TYT, I can live with that as well.
We’re all members here and most of us probably donated to hire these journalists. I wanted to throw my 2 cents in about Jordan.
I don’t care about what he does with his ding dong- so long as it is consensual. I don’t know the facts of that. I do know that I have never appreciated his unprofessionalism. His blasé or even holier-than-thou approach when talking to experts, scientists, and witnesses has always angered me- especially in Flint. I’ve wanted the news and not the Jordan Show- that’s what I pay for. The ability of people like Nomi and Ryan Grim to provide facts, analysis, and opinion without the carnival sideshow is something I can be proud of. I’m fucking thrilled to have these people building on the TYT brand- especially as we’re running primary candidates now. I like Emma too, but I’d like more than just hot takes. I’m sure she is having the hardest time with this adjustment. So I just want to add that I think she is valuable and worth my money if she grows.
Without knowing anything about the truth of the allegations, TYT Politics was turning into The Real World in Jordan’s Apartment with a cycling cast of characters passing judgements and hot takes on the news. Frankly, I don’t give a fuck what a bunch of funded frat boys think about Hillary Clinton or Nancy Pelosi on any given day. I don’t care to be in their fucking kitchen or on their sofa. It looked a lot like drinking and doing the bare minimum to keep the money coming in and it was destroying the TYT brand. I want to run real progressives in primaries and win elections. I don’t want the political kardashians.
Then the complete play-by-play nonsense and accusations from Jordan on social media… No. Allegations be damned, that’s fucking enough. How much damage is anyone going to allow someone to do to their brand out of loyalty? You can only bear so much. Jordan can turn out to be a sexual saint and he should still be let go. TYT, learn from this and move on. TYT Politics can be great. It must be professional though.
Jordan, best of luck. I hope you learn from this too and don’t ever start a fucking competing company to the one that your fucking working for. What’s wrong with you?
RE: the new Democratic “devastating” commercial on Moore’s misconduct
it seems to me that Moore’s Democratic challenger is playing the same losing game that Hillary played with Trump. The focus on Moore’s misconduct did not matter to Trump voters. So playing identity politics is a losing strategy.
The kiss-of-death is that Trump has all but endorsed Moore, which means that his read of the situation is that voters don’t consider Moore’s sexual misconduct a factor in their voting.
Voters will rationalize away these problems and it started with Democrats back in the Clinton days.
True, true and more true. Trumpism is a cult, as Reza Azlan said. We must accept that the base will not budge and Moore will not lose a single vote over this. Furthermore, the more he is attacked, the more passionate his Doomsday Cult will feel about turning out the vote to defeat the Democratic Satan Candidate.
The only way Doug Jones wins is if MORE Democrats and Independents feel passionate about turning out the vote. That will not happen based on attack ads. Give people something POSITIVE to vote for.
Like, The People’s Platform. Run on Medicare for All and Tuition-Free College, etc.
Thanks for this. I also think that this was coming on for a while and the latest accusation just tipped things over the edge. Sexual accusation is not the only thing (or maybe even not at all the thing) for which he was let go. I can’t imagine Cenk and TYT not fighting tooth and nail for Jordan here (and they did immediately initiate an impartial investigation btw) unless there weren’t other things that were also happening. Unprofessional misconduct isn’t limited to sex. Actually, Jordan’s dogged focus on the sexual misconduct allegation is what makes my ears perk up. I have a feeling that he started spinning that defense and using his social media following for leverage in order to counteract other stuff going on (the real reasons he was let go). This is all wild speculation of course, but knowing Cenk and TYT I have a hard time believing they’d throw a good employee under the bus for no reason.
In a broader sense, I agree, but I don’t think this is a bad idea. I live in a deep red state, and few progressive ideas are going to get a listen if they come from someone with a D behind their name. There is a knee-jerk reaction involved to the point of hysteria in keeping ‘liberals’ (which is synonymous with godless baby killers and hedonistic free-loaders to some of these people). It’s a war that Dems have been fighting in weird ways for awhile. Pulling purportedly respectable conservative voices out to say “THIS GUY is bad, no, for real” is different than simply running as not Trump. It pulls out the conservative notes to focus not on retaining a conservative seat in the Senate they desperately need, but to point out the obvious – you are voting for a child molester. Party be damned, you are saying child molestation is ok if you do this.
Progressive platforms are often cross-party appeal, but I’m not sure how progressive Doug Jones is. Regardless, there are areas in deep red states where compromises have to be made. Becoming corporate Dems isn’t the answer, but letting someone proclaim themselves to be personally ‘pro-life’ should be ok, because the opposite shuts ears to the rest, however dumb we think that is.
The larger question is, if this was intentional to fracture the movement, who was really behind it? Did it work? Taking Jordan down, if that is the case, and TYT divides, and loses people, that would be really disturbing.
What if corporate interests defame Cenk or another person in the movement? I just want to know if it was a hit job and if that’s possible then, what are the implications of that, what could be done? If it’s all interpersonal, that’s a different car accident.
No more Member’s hats. Well that sucks. Why the hell didn’t they get enough for their members? Stupid dumb idiots. =P
I mentioned this on another day, but I’ll mention it again (and probably again later) since TYT keeps pushing their black Friday sales that I can’t participate in. . . Please expand Your Women’s designs/sizes. You have 1 page (more like ½ a page) of Women’s tees compared to 4 pages of tees for Men. I want to buy Your INTERESTING shirts (which are only available to Men). . . Not the boring, bland ass shit You have available for Women’s tees. Please make all the same shirts You have available for men in women’s sizes also. We have wit and sense of humor also. We get cultural references also. Why can’t We get the good designs as well?? I’m almost sure probably around half Your fan base is Women, so why are the great designs only for the men?? If nothing else- isn’t this just a bad business model? Make the CREATIVE designs available for both Men and Women and You’ll probably sell 2x as much, No??
Thanks for acknowledging what happened with Jordan.
I’ll wait to hear both sides of the story before making my decision about who was in the right and who was in the wrong.
I won’t wait forever, so I do expect you guys to talk about it at some point, but I understand that you need to sort things out before you’re allowed to talk about it.
I suggest putting the Justice Democrat infomercials in the breaks or in a weekend edition.
I can’t even watch TYT @ the moment as they unwittingly play to the Rights Propaganda. Al Franken & Roy Moore are lumped together.
I see a pattern. If your a Nigger basher you get open the door for Evil. You can rape kids, talk about Muslims, spicks etc. You must first drink the Elixer. If you don’t Nigga bash you get a short rope. You have to be perfect if not there is no program to support an evil non -nigger basher.
#Legacy
Ana & Cenk are the most honest media people in the market. But I question the paradigm/programming. Why call out the Right BS daily just to glorify them when they say one correct thing. I:e even God Mitch denounced Moor., or Comway got it right but back tracked.
It’s like dating s liar, cheater & thief calling them out and staying in the relationship. Why does Ana constantly say she listens to Right Wing media & tells others 2? The Left needs to grow a set. Lastly let’s stop saying do what you fell thier is no wrong free speech. I think the founders wanted
Free speech to promote Bette ideas.
#Higher. Still love you guys but it’s amazing to see the Left suck the Rights dick night after Night. It’s truly abusive.
I think the point is to show that they pretend to be human, but then quickly realize where they get paid and become giant hypocrites again. It’s to show that the corporatist right is fooling us (or at least their diehard supporters) by spouting easy truths, and then mixing it with outright lies.
The instruments of darkness tell us truths,
Win us with honest trifles, to betray’s
In deepest consequence.
As someone who was a fan of the journalistic contributions Jordan made to TYT, they absolutely made the right decision to fire him. Regardless of whose accounts of the situation you decide to take at face value, he very clearly never needs to be in any sort of management position again. His own recollection of the events still make it painfully clear that he was behaving wildly inappropriately with younger female members of his staff and blurring any discernible line between his personal and professional life.
The people saying that his being fired before any investigation is somehow troubling or without merit is absurd. His admission of how the evening played out under his accounts is more than warranting his dismissal from the company. And his decision to sue TYT for putting himself in this situation speaks to how much character he really has.
After mulling it over, I agree with your well-articulated statement.
I get using your platform, but i’m tuning in for news, and i feel like half the show is pushing the different campaigns TYT has going or reading tweets from the same 10 people every day… Come on man, if tyt becomes a wolf pac/justice dems lobbying arm and only wants to acknowledge the same few commentators every single day, then it’s not the organization I thought it was.
Well, TYT you lost me now. Ive been loyal in your corner through thick & thin but now you’re aggressively on the side of accusations & allegations are enough culture. Fuck your individual pogrom & authoritarian pogrom support for accusers. Same as leads to beating, nooses, & Holocaust. Never another dollar & made a political enemy of me.
https://medium.com/@jordanchariton/sloppy-journalism-corporate-panic-back-to-what-really-matters-3f4de682afd8 .
Lol. You’re a fool.
Jordan did this to himself. Drunken orgies with much younger women who work for you… not smart. He is something of a rockstar among millennials and it went to his head. Too much unprofessional behavior. Actions have consequences.
He is a good reporter and I hope he moves forward a wiser one, too. I wish him all the best success. We need more good reporters, not less. Good luck, Jordan.
Dude, did you just compare the (likely legitimate) firing of a journalist who engaged in unprofessional conduct to pogroms and the Holocaust?
I hope you take the money you’ll save on not supporting TYT and invest it into some skilled mental health care.
Lol. You don’t know the full story.
Come on people put your thinking caps.
With the financial power behind of TYT’s opponents (remember Dave Rubin) TYT will be taken to the cleaners with lawsuits if they make a single legal mistake that is why they are careful.
Cenk, thank you for acknowledging the thing that happened with Jordan! There’s obviously more to this situation than we know, so none of us can accurately judge what should have happened. I just didn’t like feeling like it was being covered up or ignored by TYT. Now I see that you do plan to talk about it. I totally get having to wait to comment until more of it unfolds. Thank you for at least giving us as much transparency as you’re able to for now. I’m looking forward to hearing what you have to say when you’re able to say more.
Y’all [usually Cenk] mention putting links to articles discussed/videos shown/etc in the video for when it is posted as a YouTube clip, you’ve even said about putting them on the videos on Facebook.
So why can’t you take the time to add a small related links section on each video posting– just put it under the episode description. Feels kind of ridiculous to not have any of the links listed on the place I pay to watch these videos; however you will take the time to put them in a description on a service where people are not paying to be members watching your videos.
I appreciate the links when I watched the videos on YouTube, but now that I’ve been a member watching here, I’d be super appreciative seeing them here.
THIS
I understand that providing a link would be more convenient, and save the 2.5 seconds needed to do a google search. That said… Google.
Fair enough, you have a valid point. My reasoning though: usually I put the show on and complete other work while listening/glancing at the screen for certain videos. If I’m on my computer and can take a second to open a tab and type in the article, I do and bookmark it in hopes I remember to come back to it. If I’m not on my computer, doing busy work, or working out while watching then I often don’t have the opportunity to jot down on paper or on the computer, which of course leads to me usually forgetting what the article was/what publication it was in.
I’m just sayin’ since they get all that info compiled for the YouTube video anyway- just copy and paste it here too.
Yes this would be appreciated!
I don’t care if Jordan is guilty or not guilty. We were having a discussion about Jordan on the private facebook page for members and then TYT literally closed the group. Saying some garbage that they are “consolidating member activities”. This is like 1984, when they would wipe out parts of history, first we had WesClarke, then Michael Woods, now Jordan. And NOT A SINGLE DAMN sentence about them?!?!! Have some respect for your members! At least say a damn word about them.
Legal reasons. Deal with it. Move forward, volunteer, run for office, give back.
TYT needs to keep the Army strong. One person can not be allowed to drag the movement down – even if they are innocent. It sucks if they are.
As far as Wes Clark goes, he became delusional…literally. Find the posts on FB…hope he is getting help.
I would like to know what happened with Michael Wood Jr. But it was a decision made by TYT. I trust TYT. Until they show themselves to be unworthy of my trust, I’ll do my part to keep the movement going.
Your mentality is EXACTLY the mentality of followers of Alex Jones, religious cults, but you just pick a different side of the same coin. The point of TYT and proper journalism is not to “trust” anyone but be loyal only to the truth itself. I do think Wes lost it as well, and I didn’t like Michael Woods point arguing with Ana, and I actually think Jordan firing is justified too. But just because I like TYT content on some topics or I agree with them on these topics and I am a paying member doesn’t mean I have to trust and accept EVERYTHING they do. That is just nonsense and goes against everything that TYT stands for and why it was founded. I like TYT and been members for 10 years+, but when I see something shady going on at TYT and people like Woods or Clarke have been wiped off the face of the earth and pretend they didn’t even exist and are banned from the building, I know it is wrong and I question it. Just because I agree with TYT about taxes or healthcare or corruption of money in politics doesn’t mean I have to agree blindly with EVERYTHING they do and move on.
It begs the question: When a business gets big enough does it inherently become corrupt?
Or does it just get more complicated with legal implications and fear of suing, so on and so forth? Technically Jordan could sue for defamation of character if they said ANYTHING.
@capaneo – Ok, dude. Jesus…people are getting pointlessly worked up. You obviously don’t understand cult mentality, and have never interacted with an Alex Jones fanatic. If your FB page was associated with TYT in any way, again – legal reasons. It sucks, but that’s the way it is.
Look, when one of the panel, or a reporter says something I don’t agree with, I speak my mind. One of the greatest things about TYT is the diversity of opinion. So yeah, of course I don’t agree with everything, but as of right now, TYT as a whole is trustworthy, in my personal, fucking, opinion. The moment there is actual evidence that TYT is doing some shady shit, I’m gone…It would be a sad day, but oh well. I’m talking about real, actual, wrongdoing – not your perceived shadiness when they aren’t giving you the explanation you think you deserve. I understand you’re frustrated, but that doesn’t mean you need to act like you’re an executive on the board that needs to know all the details of every decision TYT makes regarding an employee/contributor, RIGHT NOW, or ever. They don’t owe you that.
Let me ask you a genuine question – Do you follow/watch TYT so you can hear about all the executive decisions within the company? Did you sign up as a member thinking you were going to be in on all the TYT gossip? Is that what was promised? Or are we – actually – fucking – here – to hear stories and perspective analysis that you would never hear on the mainstream media. To gain the understanding that there is a lot at stake, and to then hopefully go out and make a difference in our local communities, cities, counties, states, and country. Because if not, you’re here for the wrong reason, in my opinion.
Having said all that – keep speaking your mind, fam. I’m fuckin shook about Wes and Michael. I’d be lying if I said they didn’t gain hero status in my mind at some point. There is a shit-ton of info out there on Jordan’s debacle. It’s messy.
Anyway – hope you have a great Thanksgiving. Peace.
I have been trying to get members only hat for 2 week’s now you are sold out will you be getting more members hat’s in?
Only if TYT ordered more! I can’t use my phone or computer while working so I lucked out on the caps! To whoever ordered themselves one… I secretly hate you.. Quite literally
already sold out of member hats ='(
To the so called ‘progressives’ in the comment section: You sure are quick to jump on the support #metoo bandwagon until it hits close to home. Good to know that most of you want TYT to instantly blame the victim.
What’s wanted is for TYT to not instantly believe the accuser and take extreme action before doing a proper, fair and transparent investigation.
A lead investigative journalist creates a sexual environment towards their intern and you think TYT needs a giant investigation? Jordan only denies consent and somehow sees no problem with someone being unable to consent when they are 1. intoxicated and 2. in a position of lower power. This is why people don’t come forward whether you be left, right, or centrist because the response is always the same.
Shame on you.
Needlessly escalating to comments like “shame on you” is what makes the Internet a crappy place.
I’ve said it before, TYT was in the right to fire Jordan – By Jordan’s account ALONE it’s clear he was violating professional ethics. But don’t paint everyone defending Jordan, or reserving judgment with the same brush. Of course it’s painful when allegations come out about someone you like/admire, but you have no idea whether or not the people you are shaming also reserved judgement when someone they disliked was accused. Sometimes it is obvious, and sometimes, it’s hesheshehesheheSHE said, heshesheheshesheHE said. There are so many conflicting accounts of the “incident” with females and males defending and backing Jordan and males/females defending and backing the woman. I think at this point the only thing I’m convinced of, is that Jordan is a misogynistic, massively inappropriate guy. Whether or not he assaulted, or harassed, is not clear. More women may come forward and more patterns may emerge.
Hypothetical reference – Where things stand now, if Jordan was running for the senate in my state – I would not vote for him.
Not a grinder, just a holder. Makes it easier to cut their heads off. Familiarity with where your food comes and how it gets there will either makes you more knowledgeable or vegan.
After reading the full account on both sides of the Jordan Chariton situation, TYT has A LOT of explaining to do. I hope they get on that sooner rather than later.
http://heavy.com/news/2017/11/jordan-chariton-sexual-assault-allegation-carly-hammond-tyt/
I would like for them to address Paula Martinez-Benge’s account of TYT as a company.
From multiple angles, they do not come across as the progressive advocates for women that we see on screen.
There needs to be some transparency here and if there is not, credibility will be lost, guaranteed.
Paula Martinez-Benge’s account is of TATM – not TYT. Let’s not confuse Jordan’s side project with TYT.
Paula mentions TYT throughout her op-ed, but the two quotes I pulled out are the ones I feel are relevant to bring into this topic.
1.” Chariton has no work ethic yet constantly complained about his relations with TYT saying that Cenk was always “jacking off to himself.” On the morning of November 8, I was sitting at Jordan’s desk, in his kitchen, checking in on my husband and son while my phone was charging. I even have a text of me describing to my husband the scene unfolding in front of me at that time because it was so bizarre.
Jordan and Ty were directly in front of me in the bathroom discussing TYT Politics as Ty was trimming Jordan’s beard for him, when suddenly; they shut the door and proclaimed that they were talking on “private matters.”
My interest was piqued but I tried to ignore their conversation. My son had ear infections in each of his ears so my concerns weren’t on them at that moment. That’s when I heard Jordan tell Ty: “What Nomi is doing is unethical. You cannot write speeches for politicians and then report on it!” That’s when I got up from where I was sitting in the kitchen and started looking for my books.
I was slowly starting to realize how disorganized and unplanned the Summit really was and was really disappointed to discover that TYT and TAtM were never trustworthy organizations”
2. “I overheard a phone call between Emma Vigeland and Jordan before she went live for TYT Politics to announce some ridiculous rap song collab between Jordan and Ty for a certain increase in viewership, Emma told Jordan that she still hadn’t received an anticipated pay raise as promised by TYT during that conversation. Also, Ty, Emma and Jordan lamented that their paychecks were going to come in late, again, which apparently is standard practice at TYT, how progressive.”
Thoughts?
Please realize, I am not a troll. I love TYT. That is why I hate to see these things being written.
No worries – we’re all trying to wrap our heads around this madness. Turns out, Jordan, for all the good reporting he’s done, is a shitty person. I’ve seen many accounts of people saying Jordan would talk shit on TYT and Cenk. What Paula heard is disturbing, but not proof of anything. It’s hearsay. I’m not going to get worked up about it, and I doubt TYT will justify all the back and forth dragging through the mud bs with a response. Jordan fucked up in so many ways. He’s going to have to live with it.
Completely agree to all of this.
About the hats with “member” on the back – you should let members spend a few extra dollars to get their member number embroidered on it
There is no “member number” that’s why they stopped saying it on the air. All they were doing back then was reading the chronological number in the left-hand column of the Excel spreadsheet. Chron number changes every time the spreadsheet is updated.
Guys,
Full disclosure ASAP on the Jordan situation, there is a lot of grey area here…too much
Jordan Chariton has posted a detailed account of his side of things on Medium, and his accuser did a long, rambling interview on Tim Black’s show, so saying that TYT can’t comment because of privacy concerns is simply not true. If TYT’s intent is to convince us that they are turning into just another corporate-controlled media outlet, they are succeeding.
This was my gut reaction, but after researching claims on both sides, wither or not the claims are true Jordan shouldn’t have put himself in that situation which he admits to in his medium post. You don’t do those sorts of things with people who work for you. I really like(‘d) Jorden I don’t know if the claims are valid or not but what he admits is damning enough. Any reasonable company would term someone given the facts.
Hammond was not an employee of Chariton; she did unpaid work for his TATM side project. Even if you 100% believe her account, there is no assault described:
http://heavy.com/news/2017/11/jordan-chariton-sexual-assault-allegation-carly-hammond-tyt
Hammond also wrote articles for TATM. She and the other reporters were not paid for their work for TATM.
Hammond said they all got into a hot tub together, drank more alcohol, and Chariton eventually left and went to bed.
Hammond said that she decided to go to sleep later and the only bed available was Chariton’s.
In Chiakulas’ report, Hammond said that she eventually kicked Chariton and he stopped, apologized, and took her to the lobby.
Chariton said they spent the next few hours in the lobby talking and being affectionate. He said that she wrote him on Facebook the next morning: “Thanks for sacrificing sleep to talk to me last night. I really appreciate it.”
Regardless of whether she received a paycheck, he held power in the field that she wanted to break into. He had major connections at TYT, and he was “the boss” at TATM. It does not matter if she was doing the work without getting paid. She was doing the work for a person who she looked up to, who had influence over her budding career, and had the power to end it (in her mind).
Regardless of whether this was a consensual thing or not, he was still her boss. To say he wasn’t is ridiculous.
I never said she wasn’t her boss; I was noting that the gig should certainly not be construed as some high-paid job that someone would be desperate to keep. I think it’s crucial to note that (as far as I’ve seen) there has not been the even the slighted accusation that Chariton threatened her in any way.
Sorry that should have read: I never said he wasn’t her boss; I was noting that the gig should certainly not be construed as some high-paid job that someone would be desperate to keep. I think it’s crucial to note that (as far as I’ve seen) there has not been the even the slighted accusation that Chariton threatened her in any way.
Do you think that all of the victims of Weinstein, The Big Wigs at Fox News, and Kevin Spacey were making big bucks?
Maybe a few were, but I would guess most of them were not making much at all. That why these guys got away with it for so god damn long. The victims were nobodies (in their careers). This works in the favor of the powerful predator in a couple ways off the top of my head.
Since they are nobodies, and mostly young, they don’t know how the business works. They don’t know if this is the kind of thing that “just goes along with being in the business”–of journalism, acting, etc–and since they are so low on the totem pole they do not think that anyone will take their allegations seriously.
Second, since they are low paid and new to these industries they do not want to rock the boat. Certainly, most of these victims look(ed) up to their perpetrator before the incident. Afterward, they believe coming forward will hinder their careers. In fact, it has been reported that these people who victimize have actually said things along the line of “if you come forward with this I WILL RUIN YOU.” Now, I am not saying that Chariton threatened her like this. What I am saying is that we don’t know how the power difference affected their relationship. What we do know is that he had the power.
So, I guess I just don’t understand what it is that you are trying to say. Just because it was not a high paying job does not mean it wasn’t her dream job, at the time. It does not mean that she did not think it was exactly what she was meant to be doing at the time. It does not mean she did not think Chariton could lead her to bigger, better, and more lucrative opportunities.
I don’t know if he thought about any of this. I know what I have read from different accounts and what I have read is that he wore his power very arrogantly and he used it to get women and HE thought he could make a world of difference in other people’s careers. But, still, I don’t know what he actually thought. Perhaps this is a huge conspiracy and smear campaign. For what? I don’t know. But look, I am open to possibilities.
We can speculate over whether or not she is a participant of consensual sex or a victim of sexual assault; whether this is a smear campaign. The fact remains though; He had power over Carly. He had power over Carly’s budding journalism career.
Further, I am concerned about some of the stuff I have read regarding TYT employee culture. It doesn’t sit well with me. I am hoping it is addressed because I am feeling very disappointed and disheartened by what I have read. I don’t want to believe everything I read, but it gave me a gut feeling that it wasn’t pure fabrications.
Again – TYT is not TATM. Jordan founded Truth Against the Machine. So…are you referring to TATM employee culture? Because I have read as much as I can find down this rabbit hole, and watched hours of interviews and rants…I never found anything regarding TYT employee culture, just TATM. Please share what you have found if I missed it. Thank you!!
https://medium.com/@paulamartinezbenge/the-failure-of-the-progressive-movement-examining-the-white-savior-complex-sexual-harassment-16c546174f8e
I am unsure if your journey down the rabbit hole led you to this article or not. If so, TYT was mentioned around 20 times. Some things stood out, other mentions were given for context. Here are two examples of culture for ya from the article.
1.” Chariton has no work ethic yet constantly complained about his relations with TYT saying that Cenk was always “jacking off to himself.” On the morning of November 8, I was sitting at Jordan’s desk, in his kitchen, checking in on my husband and son while my phone was charging. I even have a text of me describing to my husband the scene unfolding in front of me at that time because it was so bizarre.
Jordan and Ty were directly in front of me in the bathroom discussing TYT Politics as Ty was trimming Jordan’s beard for him, when suddenly; they shut the door and proclaimed that they were talking on “private matters.”
My interest was piqued but I tried to ignore their conversation. My son had ear infections in each of his ears so my concerns weren’t on them at that moment. That’s when I heard Jordan tell Ty: “What Nomi is doing is unethical. You cannot write speeches for politicians and then report on it!” That’s when I got up from where I was sitting in the kitchen and started looking for my books.
I was slowly starting to realize how disorganized and unplanned the Summit really was and was really disappointed to discover that TYT and TAtM were never trustworthy organizations”
2. “I overheard a phone call between Emma Vigeland and Jordan before she went live for TYT Politics to announce some ridiculous rap song collab between Jordan and Ty for a certain increase in viewership, Emma told Jordan that she still hadn’t received an anticipated pay raise as promised by TYT during that conversation. Also, Ty, Emma and Jordan lamented that their paychecks were going to come in late, again, which apparently is standard practice at TYT, how progressive.”
Thoughts? I am not a troll.
I hate that “pull yourself up by your bootstraps” saying. If you pull on your bootstraps all that happens is you jam your foot into your boot. No one can get up by just doing that.
Was Jordan really fired by TYT? Why was he fired? When will this issue be addressed?
yes he was.. and i dont think they’re gonna address it anytime soon. i read today Jordan is considering filing a lawsuit against TYT and The Intercept.. lawyers surely told TYT not to talk about it publicly
I really like Jordan, but after researching what happened, I think TYT was in the right in letting him go. There’s a whole sexual assault allegation on Jordan which personal I don’t think is credible given proof available. But regardless, if true or not. He shouldn’t have put himself in that situation with anything of sexual nature with people who work for you. That is something many companies would term over.
Anyone know what’s happening with Jordan and TYT? His twitter has blog posts where he states TYT fired him Last Friday. His blog posts detail a tail of a consensual sexual encounter between a married woman whom later regretted the encounter then claimed sexual assault. Jordan claims he is innocent and has text-based conversions proving no ill will from the woman in question. Jordan later suggests the woman. I really hope TYT didn’t overreact to the situation without anything for proof and the person being accused vehemently denying it.
Jordan has said he might sue TYT for slander. I’d say go for wrongful termination if his claims are true.
Did you not watch the fucking first 2 minutes of this video?
He has been accused of sexual misconduct. One person even said rape. It never ends, now I am sad that I donated money to help hire him.
Bad timing for TYT to be asking us to help them hire another guy. Just sayin.
I 100% believe Jordan’s version of the events. Hopefully this will all work out, but as this hour clearly illustrated, TYT is bigger than Jordan Chariton. If TYT needed to fire him, then so fucking be it. How is it that they should need to ask you to not go full on freakout…Jesus fucking Christ, people.
A company run by good people does not fire someone because the company is “bigger” than the person.
@etpol01 – TYT’s ideals and mission is bigger than any one person. I understand the anger and I feel it, too. Jordan was one of the reasons that made me decide to be a member. Because of the work he was doing. But I also know that Jordan would not have been able to do the things he’s done, and reached the audience he’s been able to reach, without Cenk hiring him, and without US contributing to TYT. Of course it’s important to be skeptical and ask questions. I’m just saying try to hold some judgement until presented with all the facts.
@stephanieann – I think there are ethical issues with Jordan’s behavior involving that woman, but the evidence I’ve seen (screenshots of conversations) and the fact that HuffPost took down the article, leads me to believe Jordan. Having said that…I guess there is always the possibility that he was inappropriate or abusive in some way. I take back the 100% and say this – As things stand now, it appears to be a smear campaign. Goddamn if I don’t need to practice what I preach. I’ll hold my final judgement on Jordan until such a time when all the facts are presented.
Yo, quick question, how did you go back and edit your comment??
Asked by StephanieAnn btw. Thanks for the reply. I hear ya.
nevermind it was a new post.
How do you 100% believe him?
100%? Really?
Considering TYT hasn’t said word one about this, there isn’t any slander case against them. The suit would probably be for wrongful dismissal.
“Trump backs Roy Moore”
UNBELIEV— no, no it’s not.
…oh god
When I read the show notes about White House pardoning a turkey, I thought it was a story about Trump pardoning himself.
lol