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As a Jamaican is like to state that Mark Lee doesn’t speak for me or the majority of Jamaicans and the greater diaspora. Lol. Fuck Trump
Adelson is also a major force against medicinal Marijuana, and/or decriminalization.
Anyone who takes Adelson’s money must deny that Marijuana is medicinal. I making an inference here based on the candidates his family has supported, and Adelson’s public battle against drugs based on his family’s struggles.
Fuck TYT. Been loyal through thick & thin but now you’re on the side of accusations & allegations are enough culture? Fuck your one person pogrom & authoritarian pogrom support for accusers. Same as leads to beating, nooses, & Holocaust. Never another dollar [except membership so I can follow you to oppose you & agree & give credit where it’s due], you made a political enemy of me.
Might have fractured the movement too. Hell, you might have ruined it for progressives overall. There is NO JUSTICE in firing before an investigation. Hate watcher won’t be helping you anymore. But I will be helping to hold you ideological morons accountable. Disgusting stupid move.
https://medium.com/@jordanchariton/sloppy-journalism-corporate-panic-back-to-what-really-matters-3f4de682afd8 .
Jordan was rightfully fired for having sexual relationships with subordinates and misusing TYT resources to promote his side project Truth Against the Machine. What he did was totally unethical and unprofessional. His immaturity was then exemplified by his public attacks against TYT. He has pretty much tanked his career because I don’t imagine anyone would want to hire a guy who attacks and threatens their former employer. It’s too bad because he did a lot of good things.
This is RIICULOUS!?
File court proceeding to find out the truth about Jordan Chariton.
Get the police to lay out the evidences in court and let Justice be served!?!!?!?! If Jordan is guilty, he should lose his job, If the Female victim turns out to be a LAIR….SHAME on HER…Actual Victims of Rape/Sexual Harassment/Abuse/Assult NEVER get support of society BECUASE others Lying about being exploited from a sexual encounter from men or same-sex…..
I have not read any of the outside info people are quoting and linking, I only read these comments here, but I can still address your comment sec because it has a generic rebuttal.
There is no ‘standard procedure’ for hiring and firing. Every boss makes independent decisions on these things cuz FREEDOM. The only universal rules are spelled out in federal and state law and they only outline the things that are forbidden, not the things that are mandatory (aside from the payroll stuff).
For their own legal protection against accusations of wrongful termination,, corporations can craft (and often utilize) a ‘three strikes’ policy where if a job performance issue is identified, the employee is given a remedial program to follow, and if the employee fails to improve performance over time, the person is then fired with cause. It is open-and-shut if the person is given a chance to correct the issue and fails to meet mutually agreed upon remedial goals that are presented as an alternative to immediate termination.
This only applies to performance issues generally. At one company I worked for, a male undergoing divorce got aggravated with a female and publicly shamed her to the entire company over her own divorce on the email list.
I received a copy of that mail and it was not pretty the way he compared and contrasted the circumstances, complete with slut shaming. I was aghast because I knew this person and had engaged in water cooler conversations several times with him. It was obvious that he was emotionally devastated and becoming unstable.
He had to attend counseling and bring the therapists’s report proving his mental stability was improving in order to come back from mandatory leave, and he did so. This was an exceptionally loving and forgiving company. Not many organizations would extend that much goodwill to a struggling employee who puts others in emotional jeopardy.
When another employee at this same corporation made a reference to ‘going postal’ over working conditions, directly to his supervisor in a private meeting, said manager immediately contacted HR and notified them that an employee who prided himself on his gun collection had made what sounded like a threat to engage in a mass shooting. HR immediately terminated the employee after about two seconds of investigation into the colloquial definition of ‘going postal’ with the legal suits upstairs at corporate headquarters.
Matters involving preserving the corporation’s public image let alone safety and liability, such as holding a drunken orgy on rented company premises with company money, and dating subordinates as standard practice, are not ‘gray areas’ where an employer has the legal option to give three strikes. These are matters requiring immediate action.
That same company I worked at had a defensive driving program (highly educational by the way) that every employee who ever had the remotest chance of getting behind the wheel on company business had to take, because one of their sales people took some clients out to lunch to wine and dine them, and killed them all plus himself in a drunken car wreck.
A single sexual harassment lawsuit or drunk driving manslaughter charge can sink an entire start-up if a case can be made holding the corporation even partially legally accountable for the actions of an employee. In that case where such is a potential outcome of inappropriate conduct, risking a wrongful termination lawsuit is preferable to having a killer/enabler on staff who gave plenty of reason to question whether the person is mature, responsible, and a good risk.
Neglecting the situation could even lead to a shareholder class action lawsuit for a publicly traded company that loses shareholder value if the executives knew there was an issue and did nothing to prevent the situation from deteriorating.
As I already indicated, Jordan’s testing of water heate sludge without bothering to ask if such test adds value, struck me as reckless. Holding drunken orgies in a rented company facility and dating subordinates as standard practice might, if openly admitted, cross the threshold for Cenk. I know it would if I were in charge.
Well, sure, but TYT is not a standard company, not a humdrum organization. Or, at least, that is how they have always sold themselves to us: as “rebel headquarters”, something special, not-corporate-news, all that. It’s in the name: Young Turks means ‘rebels’. (I increasingly don’t buy this whole line and I now question whether they have ever really lived up to it – but nevertheless, that is the line).
And that is also how Jordan operated, or at least seemed to operate, taking risks because that’s an essential part of the whole concept. TYT claimed to have a bold mission, and Jordan was the primary soldier carrying out that mission.
So disappointed with how you handled the Jordan Chariton fiasco. I get that you had to fire him. I think you made the right choice. If at some point in the future his name is cleared, I would hope you would offer him his job back. I think he did a great job here.
What really upsets me is that no mention of this was made on the show. How much of the last week has been spent taking about sexual misconduct? Roy Moore, Al Franken, Russell Simmons, Brett Ratner, Glenn Thrush, but no Jordan. I get not throwing him under the bus; innocent until proven guilty. The least you could do is mention it. Maybe tell us that he’s been fired. It seems very hypocritical to come down on everybody else and as soon as it happens to one of your own, silence. I’m sickened and I hope you have enough sense to address this soon.
Again, Roy Moore clearly must be a rapist from all those stories (barring conspiracies and gold diggers), but if a 14 year old wants to fuck someone, they should have every right to do so as long as everyone involved is safe and happy. It was wrong because of rape, not wrong because of age. Also, the age when sex is allowed is 14 in Japan. Are all Japanese rapists? Puberty is the age at which someone’s body is literally telling them it’s time to start making babies which is why that is the typical age in the Bible, in Romeo and Juliet, and pretty much all through history. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYdcvRe7ox8
And so, BOOM, Jordan Chariton is gone from TYT, from one minute to the next.
Regardless of whether JC was 100% or 0% to blame for this entire turn of events , the bottom line is that either way this is another blow for TYT as a “progressive” network. Because, through his work investigating the Democratic establishment, corporations and the elite more generally, and by leading the charge at Standing Rock, Jordan was one of the progressive pillars at TYT.
And once again, Jimmy too is diminished by his association with TYT. How many interviews with Jordan has he done, both on this show and on the Jimmy Dore Show? Several dozens. Due to the “nothing is ever deleted” nature of the web, those interviews will stick around forever.
I repeat the call that I have made several times on these boards, ever since TYT took $20 million in venture capitalist money: it’s time to leave TYT, James. You have outgrown it and TYT keeps evolving into the wrong direction. My wager is that your leaving sooner would be less damaging to progressives and to yourself than your leaving later would be.
#freejimmydore
The hell are you on about? lol
Not paid attention to anything that has happened in the past 6 months, have you? “Lol” indeed.
Yes, I am saddened & disheartened to agree with everything you’ve said.
No explanation, No mention, No acknowledgement, and No RESPECT for the Members.
The Too-Strong Members who TYT calls its Army,
Cenk says, “All this, You’ve made possible by being members & supporting Donor Drives.”
How much Money has TYT racked up in Journalist Drives?
Are we not allowed to know why OUR Journalist,that WE paid for was FIRED without our knowledge?
As they say, Hey Jimmy Dore, tick-tock, tick-tock.
> Are we not allowed to know why OUR Journalist,that WE paid for was FIRED without our knowledge?
Yeah. While there has never been enough accountability toward the Members (a weakness from the very beginning) it’s never been this bad.
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@robertjordan18 Guess what robert?
I am now one tick more in line with YOUR point of view on TYT.
This kneejerk firing of Jordan as well as the subsequent SMEAR of Jordan & Truth Against The Machine to justify it…
…is ABSOLUTELY DISGRACEFUL.
ABSOLUTE COWARDICE from the guys supposedly fighting in this Political REVOLUTION.
I meant to reply to you back in November when this all went down but I found myself too angry to put the words down in text.
Plus I currently have a work schedule that makes it harder for me to post my overgrown novels in the comment boards.
I was PISSED at Cenk & Management for this decision.
ESPECIALLY when it was proven that these allegations were lies.
And then Cenk goes on air to lie about Jordan & Truth Against The Machine when it’s very clear that this whole firing was merely to SAVE FACE for the “image” of the company.
A lot of members here don’t fully realize the history of The Young Turks like you & me do.
And I STILL stand by the point I debated with you that corporate funding has been with TYT since late 2011 when they made the Current TV deal.
You could say unofficially since late 2010 when Cenk got the spot on MSNBC & they got that new black set in the old studio…
…or even 2009 when TYT ran the campaign to get TYT on MSNBC & Cenk started making appearances on the network as a pundit.
I STILL don’t agree with you that the 2017 $20 million deal is unique in anything but the dollar amount.
BUT many of these members only see TYT in its latest incarnation.
They only see the latest videos & presentations. They don’t rummage through the archives like we do.
They don’t check the links & sublinks & associations like we do.
Truth Against The Machine WAS ALWAYS a Secret TYT Project. FROM DAY ONE.
I thought it was a brilliant idea honestly.
TV is fading to the Internet but with Internet News you only get a sense of a National perspective.
Local TV channels & newspapers still run the narratives in local communities, towns, & cities.
You can’t really get lasting change until you get down to the local levels.
It’s what I see Bernie’s political machine doing which is why so many local elections are starting to line up with the movement Bernie has powered.
So Truth Against The Machine’s citizen journalism can broadcast those local stories to national prominence through Internet bypassing the local TV & newspaper narrative.
Since main TYT can’t be everywhere, let the locals in their communities bring out the stories.
Go to the comment section of the November 15, 2017 episode of Reporting In with Dave Koller where they interview Jordan for the final time a day before the allegations hit to see me break down TYT’s use of the Unseen Hand Principle of Media.
The Unseen Hand or Hidden Hand is how any worthwhile media organization operates.
It is how you entrench narratives & counter-narratives to influence the public.
So say like you got a story from the Associated Press, then CNN & MSNBC reports on it, then the New York Times & the Washington Post report on it & gives editorials, then NPR reports on it for radio listeners, then Vox reports on it for Internet viewers, then random blogs & internet sites report on it, then TYT reports from these sources, then social media in all forms discusses what is being discussed & it goes ’round & ’round.
They’re seemingly disconnected but really all working in tandem to generate a narrative & talking point for the public to consume.
That’s what Truth Against The Machine was doing for TYT.
It WAS ALWAYS a secret feeder to TYT Politics & the TYT Network not just as a hidden source for stories (see TATM footage used in Hour 1 June 5, 2017 about Phil Stair from Flint, Michigan) as well as being a talent pool for potential future TYT reporters…
…BUT ALSO as a vehicle to entrench Internet-bound TYT as a replacement for TV media in all sectors.
It was ALWAYS quasi-independent. This thing was a hidden TYT project that was known by TYT from the beginning. Hell, Jordan had Founder of TATM in his Twitter bio ever since February!
How could they have not known?! Hahahahahaha!
So when I hear commenters saying that Cenk was right to fire Jordan because he “misused funds” for Truth Against The Machine, I know they have no idea what’s really going on inside this company outside of the surface.
Jordan Chariton co-founded TATM with Zee Cohen in February 2017.
Zee Cohen was a English as Second Language Tutor & Adjunct Professor who got briefly involved in the Bernie Sanders 2016 campaign as a Canvass Director.
She did some work in Australia with some progressive political organization called Flux not long after her work in the Bernie campaign.
So this is how she got with the Turks when she got hired as an Intern Field Producer in January 2017.
Intern FIELD Producer means TYT Politics Producer meaning she’s working primarily with Jordan since Jordan is out on-the-road in the FIELDS.
She joins TYT in January & co-founds TATM in February while working for TYT the entire time.
In May of 2017 she gets upranked to Web Publisher & part of her job was working with the TYT Politics team.
She held this position until August 2017, the month the $20 million deal went through.
She is now no longer with TYT. Hasn’t been since August.
But this proves that TATM was NOT truly separate from TYT & why Cenk’s face saving claims are bullshit.
I mean goddamn do people REALLY think Jordan has the money to pay these TATM reporters by himself???
I know his parents run a jewelry shop & all but Jordan ain’t got the funds to handle all these people!
Have you SEEN his apartment? New York City has a high cost of living anyhow.
It was TYT who was paying them! Paying them peanuts too.
All of those TATM reporters were effectively Intern Reporters & TYT was BUILT on Interns.
That’s how Jesús Godoy & Jayar Jackson got on in the first place.
Coincidentally in May, there was the outbreak of the Jordan Chariton/TYT vs. H.A. Goodman feud.
And I made an interesting connection from Jordan’s Twitter feed at the time of the November scandal.
One of the gloaters of his downfall was this poster who goes by the name Bernie Wan Kenobi (@Old_Bern_Kenobi). He proclaimed in May on Twitter that Jordan’s career would be ruined.
The guy made this tweet in reply to Jordan’s May tweet warning about the Dakota Access Pipeline having a major leak in the future.
It’s a story he was famous for covering & obviously he kept tabs on the situation.
Well guess what happens when the Jordan scandal breaks out in November?
The Dakota Access Pipeline has a major leak. And with the scandal we don’t have Jordan Chariton available to report on it much less go to the scene.
DAPL is ALSO coincidentally the thing which led to Wes Clark Jr. & Michael A. Wood Jr.’s departure & estrangement from TYT.
Wes & Michael said that there were psyops going on creating confusion, paranoia, dissension.
It’s the thing to expect in a Revolutionary time when powerful interests don’t wanna let go of the power.
And really makes you wonder why all of a sudden TYT is losing crucial personalities when they have always presented themselves as a united family.
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John Lucas
You’ve really done your homework, John! That’s really impressive.
Everything you said about TATM confirms what I either already knew or suspected.
But all this stuff related to TYT Politics, TYT Investigates, etc., I had no idea about that. I mean, I had seen that embarrassing picture with Konst and Brazile, but that’s about it. I just haven’t been paying sufficient attention to those videos and the people who make them.
I will be getting back to you with more, but just wanted to say that this is very important background information.
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@robertjordan18
Weird shit is going on behind the scenes.
Nobody EVER mentions what happened to Andrew Jerell Jones of the TYT Politics team.
He was the 2nd part of the 4th & final team added in the Watchers On The Wall campaign.
He came in the pack with Naomi LaChance after they extended the fundraising deadline to get the full $2 million.
He’s a little rough in presentation (needs voice work) but he added some good insights to the channel.
All of a sudden in August, it seems like most everybody of the TYT Politics team went silent.
Many viewers on asked what was going on with Michael Tracey & such.
Then you look up & you see Andrew Jerell Jones on TYT Sports.
We know he also has a sports background so maybe it’s a guest appearance?
But then you notice Andrew Jerell Jones is no longer in the Host Bios yet is still making videos for TYT Sports.
However, you don’t see him on TYT Politics anymore.
And then you don’t see Andrew on TYT Sports after October 6, 2017 after talking about Argentina & the World Cup.
In his Twitter bio it used to say “Major love for @tytpolitics/@tytsports”.
Then you notice after his shadow fade-out it then says “will always have love for @tytpolitics/@tytsports”.
His Twitter feed is ridiculous. He posts like a fiend commenting on every little thought.
But if you sift through the posts you’ll see a curious comment referencing Jonathan Larsen’s Facebook video introducing TYTInvestigates in October.
He simply says “Fascinating” to the video which was really anything BUT fascinating.
Jonathan was stumbling & bumbling all throughout that video.
Was Jonathan Larsen the reason Andrew Jerell Jones quietly vanished from TYT Politics as well as TYT entirely?
Interestingly at the time of this posting (December 3, 2017), Andrew’s Twitter account has been suspended.
His Twitter bio DID say he survived Twitter hell 3 or 4 times or something like that.
Right now I’m going through the postings on this site since stepping back after Cenk’s firing pissed me the hell off. I’m checking the Post Games to see what’s being talked about & what’s NOT being talked about.
And on the December 1, 2017 Friday Post Game, you see Emma Vigeland, Jordan’s right-hand woman on TYT Politics sitting with the panel all happy-go-lucky.
When the scandal broke, she originally tweeted in support of his character saying he always treated her with respect & dignity.
I remember seeing someone replying to that tweet say something to the effect of “what are you doing? delete this tweet!”
Now she takes his place as TYT Politics Executive Producer & is now proclaimed a “TYT Genius” in the Post Game description.
Something ELSE interesting with the Jordan fallout.
Jordan Chariton is the one who confronted Donna Brazile face-to-face about leaking those questions to Hillary Clinton in the debates.
This is what got her canned from CNN in October 2016 right before the election.
Jordan’s thrown out of TYT in the middle of November 2017.
And then on December 1, 2017, Junior Chipmunk & Genki Girl Supreme Nomiki Konst is posing in a selfie with Donna Brazile with smiles as highbeam as a LED Flashlight.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BcKyr1_FQ4n/?hl=en&taken-by=nomikikonst
I have been amazed with Nomiki’s contributions to TYT Politics all year long.
She is definitely one of the most prominent stars of that Watchers On The Wall campaign.
When the fundraising was complete, the TYT Politics banner had faces of all the new hires alongside Jordan at the center. Nomiki’s face was close to the center obviously because of her prominent work on the channel.
After the introduction of TYT Investigates & Jordan’s announcement with cameraman Tommie Tyhefe Bayliss that Jordan will be the new Executive Producer of TYT Politics, the faces on the banner were reduced to 3.
Jordan in the middle, Nomiki on the left, & Emma on the right.
The Jordan scandal breaks just as Nomiki travels with Jordan’s buddy Ty Bayliss to Borinquen AKA Puerto Rico to cover the government’s neglect of the island.
Anybody who watched enough of TYT Politics videos knows that Jordan & Ty became good friends.
Ty was even a roommate of Jordan’s & got arrested with Jordan in the St. Louis protests in October!
So you KNOW his stomach must have been churning as he found out about all this mess.
Meanwhile Nomiki has been jumping on the #metoo bandwagon on Twitter & Instagram even though it’s dangerously close to witchhunt territory where allegations are assumed to be fact.
Both of them do their reports in Puerto Rico like clockwork but you HAD to wonder what was being said off camera between these two while this was going on.
I guarantee you it wasn’t as benign as Nomiki’s Instagram made out as she showed that makeshift party scene where they’re dancing & signing.
Ty vouched for AND STILL vouches for Jordan’s character while remaining employed by TYT as we speak.
Nomiki on the other hand is seeking out “dirtbags” all the while forgetting how much she repped for Joe Biden of all people before getting on board with Bernie Sanders in 2015/2016.
So with Jordan gone, you have to wonder where Nomiki really stands when she poses with Donna Brazile who Jordan confronted.
I was never under the illusion that Nomiki was anything but a Democratic Party Insider but I thought she could use her Insiderness to aid the Movement led by Bernie Sanders.
She’s a Renaissance Woman with a lot of talents & abilities but at the end of the day she’s pushing you into the Democratic Party because she’s a hardcore Democrat.
Donna Brazile is a phony even if she briefly the admits the truth about the obvious Democratic Primary rigging.
The timing of Jordan’s sudden & unjust firing is VERRRRY curious in light of a sudden seeming shift into locking Progressives in with the Democrats versus merely being an strategical option.
TYT is one of the groups who sold the phony Elizabeth Warren to the Progressive/”Left” audience.
And Emma always has a soft spot for Elizabeth Warren where Jordan always challenged Emma on Warren’s credibility.
Now Jordan, one of the Aggressive Progressives within TYT, is gone leaving Jimmy Dore alone as the strongest representative dissenting from majority TYT opinion.
You’re not gonna hear a strong push to go 3rd party from Nomiki or Emma, that’s for DAMN sure.
So with all this said, I am NOW in agreement with you to #FreeJimmyDore.
I thought I never would say it. I remember going on Jimmy Dore videos on YouTube shooting down the ones who wanted to break Jimmy from TYT in their various approaches.
I would always say stuff like “You fools! Jimmy Dore IS one of The Young Turks! He’s not just WITH them, he IS them! The username of The Jimmy Dore Show’s channel is TYTComedy. He IS one of The Young Turks!”
And I am correct in saying that. He IS one of The Young Turks.
But if Cenk is gonna tuck tail like this in the midst of this Revolution, then maybe Jimmy REALLY DOES need to cut bait & make his own way.
The one thing I always gave Cenk credit for is his loyalty to the people who came up with him.
When you see people angry at Ben Mankiewicz & Michael Shure for their establishment viewpoints, I DID NOT agree that Cenk should dismiss them.
Ben is one of the co-founders of this company & Michael was there helping out TYT from its earliest days.
Just disagree with them but don’t discard them. Can’t turn your back on the people who made you.
That trait is what allowed me to forgive Cenk & much of TYT for their sudden shift towards Hillary in 2016.
Dave Rubin left on his own accord because he really was not politically in sync with Progressivism.
Wes Clark Jr. seems to have lost his mind to some extent so I was hopeful for a reconciliation.
Michael A. Wood Jr. could one day patch things up with TYT once they came to an understanding.
But THIS was an outright betrayal with Jordan Chariton.
And it will backfire on Cenk SEVERELY when the smears come HIS way.
So I don’t want Jimmy Dore being part of all this when the karmic boomerang returns.
I said it when I returned to these board on Election Night 2016 & I’ll say it now.
JIMMY DORE WAS RIGHT!!! JIMMY DORE WAS RIGHT ALL ALONG!!!
And what I once thought to be simply a civil but substantial disagreement between colleagues is looking more like a truly unfixable divide.
Cenk won’t stand by his people when the campaigners & brigaders strike back in the Revolution.
Cenk will buckle under the pressure & bray about Russia all day long when he shoulda been talking about Net Neutrality all year long because it was under siege either way whether Trump OR Hillary got in.
“The Powers™” don’t like it when we start thinking for ourselves.
They don’t like it when we’re not “compliant” as this lament was revealed in the Wikileaks Hillary Campaign e-mails.
It feels like Cenk will dispatch with Jimmy next. He’s just waiting on the right excuse.
This is NOT the Happy Family they portray on screen.
Funny enough not long before I wrote this post do I find out that Jimmy Dore’s special guest at his December 4th comedy gig in Burbank at Flappers is none other than Cenk Uygur himself.
People who follow Jimmy Dore are VERY displeased & some are even disgusted with Cenk Uygur since the primaries (Bernie drop out), election (Hillary!), & election aftermath (Russia!!).
And NOW in the fallout of unjustly firing Jordan, one of the keys holding up TYT’s credibility, he’s gonna go live onstage with THE OTHER key holding up TYT’s credibility???
I hope this is put on video for everyone to see. I expect MAJOR boos & audience calling out Cenk not only for his behavior in primaries, election, & post-election BUT ALSO because of what he did to Jordan Chariton.
I even wonder if something crucial will happen live on stage with a break between Jimmy & Cenk.
I also wonder if both are using this event to promote UNITY between the different camps of Progressives split in opinion over the direction of the movement & the TYT organization altogether.
You know, to quell the dissent & anger building for the past year & a half.
So like you, robertjordan18, I TOO will remain on these boards commenting on the stories while ALSO keeping 100% real about TYT & its actions.
You say the $20 Million is The Sign of them becoming Compromised.
I wonder if the $20 Million is A Symptom of them becoming Compromised.
I wonder if the $20 Million is A Byproduct of them becoming Compromised.
Things are not what they seem here. And I no longer give TYT the benefit of the doubt.
Something is very wrong in this organization.
John Lucas
Manson hardly rotted in jail. In 2014 he married a 26 year old, and throughout his incarceration he got all the attention and “celebrity” status he craved his whole life. I understand all the arguments against the death penalty, and agree with most, but people like the Manson clan shouldn’t have been afforded 3 hots and a cot.
Ok. I have read and seen both sides of the Jordan fiasco and I have to agree with TYT’s decision. There was no other alternative, by Jordan’s own admission the crew engaged in booze fueled orgy. Even if the sexual assault alegations are unfounded, putting 20 year old girl in that situation shows a total lack of judgement and professionalism. I think the allegations are not even relevant, Just the admission of of such behavior warrants termination of employment.
100% my same conclusion.
it seems to be the case that TYT wasn’t going to drop the hammer so soon before the conclusion of an investigation, but by Jordan preemptively publicly airing of the details of the night, this forced TYT’s hand to terminate his employment sooner.
TYT should still release a statement of course maybe withholding final judgement as to whether or not they felt liaisons were consensual. But regardless of that fact, the demonstrated lack of sense by Jordan is grounds enough for termination.
Truly a regrettable situation all around. I feel really awful for all parties involved.
Nonsense. It was ridiculous to fire Jordan this quickly, without a prolonged investigation, and without the Members being consulted on the decision.
The inescapable conclusion is that TYT fired Jordan too quickly because it feared that “its reputation” and its “corporate brand” might be imperiled in some way or other.
This is the sort of behavior one expects from Corporate Media, not from an organization that constantly claims to be “not corporate media”.
Umm… TYT stood up for what’s right. They did good to let him go.
One, that’s not an actual argument (it’s far too short, and devoid of argumentational substance). Two, this ignores any of the issues I have raised.
Why was it right? Not trying to argue, I just don’t understand. Cenk is always going on about how judging peoples consensual sex lives is beyond what they are there to do. How is this different? Maybe I am not privy to some facts.
Yeah, I also looked over the whole thing, and I totally agree.
I mean I agree he should have been fired. It sounds like he took advantage of tyt too. I don’t know. I would like to hear tyt make a statement.
You don’t need to be (or threaten to be) abusive. I’m no moron. I don’t claim to have all the facts. Anyone accused of a serious crime or bad behaviour has a right for that to be investigated by whom ever is responsible within that organisation (. Ie TYT network management structure or their appointed ) and to follow due process.
Are you from tyt network? Are you in possession of all the facts? If you are not then please go away and stop muddling the argument with assertions.
This is directed to Noelle Manson
I”M GOING TO TEACH TYT WHAT IT MEANS TO BE A REAL PROGRESSIVE.
Whaaat? Don’t know what’s going on in private, but, this is clearly an attempt to
smear Jordan, been going on for awhile, and now it’s taken advantage of the sexual predator
frenzy. (Like most American experiences, it starts out brilliantly ’til it reaches a point where it
saturates the market, is mechanically reproduced, and lives in the bargain bin)
Jordan needs a paid vacation, some time to focus and/or learn management skills.
And by the way, I’m still reeling from rushing through LA traffic, then arriving home to find AP
MIA. More than once. And I still do it. ??????
Looks to me like TYT is more Michael Shure than Jimmy Dore.
I have always maintained that TYT was a badly managed company but always gave the excuse as lack of funds.
Now that they are swimming in money things have yet to improve on the management level. Worse still, with the majority of its funding coming from subscribers they communicate little with them either directly through mail or on the website.
Normally an external law firm is brought to judge these allegations while the accused is docked even if the allegations are as true as the sun is bright. This gives some veneer of legitimacy and will satisfy even the most diehard supporters. This clearly did not happen here.
In any case, it is obvious that this was a one man decision and even if the allegations are true or the accused was too hot headed to accept an investigation by his employer the damage has been done.
Primarily, I think, you should ask yourself this:
Cenk (I assume he made the decision) fired Jordan.
Why?
Seriously, why? For everyone immediately outraged, have you actually answered this question? You’re quick to claim it was wrong, but do you have an explanation for what went through his head in the time that he decided to make thsi decision, knowing what kind of reaction would be incoming?
I suspect there is more going on that we have no clue about. There usually is. I would withold any judgment.
“I suspect there is more going on that we have no clue about. There usually is. I would withold any judgment.”
Somebody gets it. All I know is, regardless of guilt or degree of guilt, these are circumstances that most of us would struggle with. Because apart from right or wrong, we still have to manage our organization, and that includes the dirty job of protecting our image.
Tangently, as sec86379 points out,
“I have always maintained that TYT was a badly managed company but always gave the excuse as lack of funds.”
Aside from this post, I have stopped participating in these forums. I posted something on October 4th, which included some links and quotes, and was flagged as needing to be checked by the moderator. I emailed TYT Support several times when the status was unchanged, and received the standard response, but they never addressed it.
No more. This is how they want to treat their members, fine. There are other worthy organizations and individuals to support and donate.
@DanCampbell You ran into the Spam filter, Dan.
When you post more than 1 link, the board is programmed to think you’re trying to sell products & services in a Spam fashion. It puts your post into perpetual limbo because TYT is not actively watching these boards.
Nobody will ever approve the post.
I found this out a few months ago.
Next time just post the content in quotes & use halflinks with the codestring after the slash.
The reader can just copy & paste into the address bar.
Annoying but doable.
Yes, TYT’s amateur nature is part of its charm but also part of its malaise.
They handled this Jordan situation ENTIRELY poorly & this decision will haunt them.
Sooner than later.
I never want them to become like “the professionals” but I DO expect them to honor the standard of Innocent Until Proven Guilty.
I have seen the evidence.
He factually did not do this. Jordan Chariton is FACTUALLY ►NOT◄ a rapist.
John Lucas
There does seem to be more to the story. I found a post on twitter that said Jordan may have been misusing the company credit card. If so, that required immediate attention. I hope Cenk lets us know what went down.
I have to agree that there must be more to this story.
After all the sexual harassment stories, Cenk is constantly the devil’s advocate. He is constantly saying context matters. He is constantly saying they are not there to judge people’s consensual sex lives.
To fire him over one allegation? Without an investigation? He is either entirely hypocritical or there is something more to the story.
Dan, both you and John Lucas are two of my favorite commenters. Your posts are always interesting, even when I occasionally, disagree. This whole Jordan thing totally bums me out. I would often watch his posts with amusement…ie…I recall a standing rock post from his hotel room. During his commentary a young woman walked in camera view and he related how he was letting camp folk use his room to shower. Hum, I thought, this guy must be having the time of his life, I hope he’s careful.
My attitude, towards this issue, are mixed. First, I have five brothers, and I love them all…even the assholes. Here’s, the deal, I can’t imagine ANY of my brothers (in their 20’s) not getting mixed messages waking up with an orgy in progress. And, I, on the other hand, can’t fathom sitting on the lap and kissing…(in the safety of a hotel lobby), the man who just raped me.
There is more to this story…Sad!
@marazona Thank you again, marazona, for your compliments. It means a lot.
It has taken me some time to return to these boards due to my intense anger at these events & a time-consuming work schedule but I’m back now to put down some posts.
Here’s a reply I just made on this Hour 1 November 20, 2017 comment board to robertjordan18.
It’s one of 2 parts because the post was too long & since I can only put one link per comment without running into the spam filter, just scroll down & look for the ◄Part 2 of 2► heading I put on to find the 2nd part of that reply.
https://tytnetwork.com/2017/11/20/tyt-hour-1-november-20-2017/#comment-163816
I also made some posts on the November 15, 2017 edition of Reporting In with Dave Koller AKA the final Jordan Chariton TYT interview, a day before the allegations hit.
I break down THE TRUTH about Truth Against The Machine’s connection to The Young Turks…
…and how they use the Unseen Hand or Hidden Hand Principle in their Media Network like any prominent media enterprise does.
TATM was one of TYT’s Unseen Hands or Hidden Hands much like Lauren Windsor’s The Undercurrent.
This principle is how stories catch fire in the public eye & in the public mind.
John Lucas
Great, thanks for the heads up…I can imagine the absolute absurdity of our time, viewed by future generations…BUCKLE-UP!!!
At least someone here wasn’t a biased hot-head. Jordan was fired do to allegations of rape. I watched most of a video in which the accuser gives her story to an interviewer–the rest of which I’ll watch later when I can handle it. I am a huge fan of Jordan, I will not lie that I was initially biased towards him. He was a huge inspiration for me and the reason I considered pursuing journalism, this whole development is really breaking my heart. But his accuser’s story is very detailed (I recommended hearing it) while Jordan’s account is vague by comparison. Other things (aside from the actual assault) that Jordan disagrees with his accuser, Carly, on are easily verifiable. Take the ‘few drinks’ Jordan claims everyone drank that night–as his accuser points out he should show that bill to prove it. Now getting smashed one night does not mean you raped someone, but Jordan’s denial of this non-consequential aspect looks really bad.
Even if there was no raped or sexual assault or even if something occurred that has no definitive criminal definition, I think Cenk was right to fire Jordan and just about everyone on his team. The culture in the group sounds, by Carly’s account, totally unprofessional to say the LEAST and would hardly have been acceptable at Fox News (which Jordan also previously worked for, strangely). And even if there wasn’t a culture of lewd behavior with little disregard for the comfort of coworkers, there is the issue of spending. Look what people do with their money is their own business and mistakes will be made in billing, but if you and your pals want to get drunk and party–you do it on your own money. I can’t speak for all of us who donated to TYT’s journalist fundraiser, but I know I sure as hell didn’t donate my money to get spent on booze. Like I said, if that money was funneled to their paychecks at that point I wouldn’t have cared.
I don’t know what Cenk knows or what it was that convinced him to fire Jordan, but sexual allegations or no, Carly’s part of the story where TYT funds were spent on a ton of drinks is easily verifiable and generally reason enough for most companies to fire any employee. But TYT is different. It relies on crowd funding and trust, so even a journalist as hardworking, passionate, smart and gifted as Jordan should get the axe.
I am as shocked as anyone, and became a member because of people like Jordan, specifically for Aggressive Progressive and TYT Politics. If justified, I will support the firing.
TYT needs to get in front of this and make a statement.
TYT needs more time, but for myself, I feel the accusations of sexual assault are adequately substantiated and that there were reasons not pertaining to direct sexual misconduct for which to fire Jordan. Carly Hammond gives her entire story here in this interview, it’s long, but if you care about the truth: https://youtu.be/vCMvqR9Y5Ig
I have to say Carly’s story is very detailed while Jordan’s is vague by comparison. His latest confessions make it seem that he is either in damage control or doesn’t want to admit to himself and his conscience that he is guilt of sexual misconduct, harassment and assault–an aspect that seems prevalent in Hammond’s story where it seems Jordan tried to impress upon the two of them that everything was consensual and that they were going to be a thing now and be happy.
Even if there was no rape. By his own admission of the climate he created as well as a few other details shared in Hammond’s story not relating to his sexual behavior, there is reason to fire him and several other people on his team.
The criminality of his actions is totally irrelevant. Anyone saying “innocent until proven guilty” can shove it up their asses. I understand the sentiment in most cases, but 1) Cenk is not an idiot and will not let his shining star journalist go because of a frivolous accusation unless there is proof, 2) in the case of sexual assault people need to understand there is a fine line between ‘innocent until proven guilty’ for both the accuser and the accused we can walk without becoming total jerks. So even when you are saying innocent until guilt is proven–you *know* what you’re really saying is “shut up, bitch”. How the fuck do you prove someone kissing you all over your body and touching you everywhere, inserting their finger into your vagina without consent a year ago? You can’t now and hardly could the day after anyways. Doesn’t mean you are a liar or that you don’t deserve to tell people what happened.
Furthermore, there are things people can do to each other regarding sexual crime that can be totally wrong and worthy of punishment that because of legal technicalities men/women can’t be punished for. Our legal system is fucked. Was Philandro Castille murdered? According to a juror the shooter was a cop so it’s logically impossible. Is OJ Simson a murderer? According to a jury he wasn’t. Courts frankly can’t prove shit. If you want to decide if someone is actually guilty or innocent, sometimes it’s best to use your own goddamn brain.
Give it a rest you guys. By his own admission, Jordan hired and managed subordinates and then proceeded to engage in sexual liaisons with them. That in and of itself, is an open display of completely piss poor judgement. And that is the BEST case scenario.
It always seemed to me that Jordan was in this business to make it like some sort of rock star who had the power to lay whoever he wanted. If I ran this business that this sort of nonsense became public and jeopardized the credibility of my entire organization I’ve been building for over a decade, I’d fire him too.
Dear TYT,
why was Jordan Chariton dismissed without an independent investigation? It seems that due process/natural justice was not followed and a human being’s livelihood and reputation destroyed.
Please explain or reinstate!
Spiro Tsipouras
Australia
I’m having to hold myself back right now in order to not make a sarcastic, nonconstructive comment where I accuse you of being a moron. I’m going to make this brief, because this is a sad morning for me and I’m done talking about this.
I understand how you feel. I am a huge fan of Jordan and these revelations are breaking my heart. Yet another one of my heroes is counterfeit as of this morning. I get it, I didn’t want to believe it when I first heard it either.
Even before I read Jordan’s confession of sexual misconduct, I heard Carly Hammond’s side of the story here and was convinced that there was reason to fire Jordan–rape or no: https://youtu.be/vCMvqR9Y5Ig
Her account is very detailed and not something a liar would typically be able to fabricate. Doesn’t mean she is telling the truth, I get that. But it’s something to keep in mind along with what Jordan has admitted to and the aspects of the story which can be easily verified that Jordan continues to lie about.
Due process? Like the legal stuff? Brother, don’t hold your breath! There ain’t no such thing in America, otherwise OJ Simson isn’t actually a murderer and Philandro Castille wasn’t murdered by a cop. You get my drift here, right? Just because a judge/jury rules it, doesn’t make it true.
Furthermore, just because there isn’t enough evidence to prove that it happened, doesn’t mean that it didn’t. If you were a woman how do you prove that a year ago a man groped you everywhere, kissed every part of you and inserted his finger into your vagina without your consent. That’ll be difficult to prove even the morning after, never mind how impossible it’ll be to prove that it happened a year ago if you are expecting to go off of DNA evidence. Likely why there have been no criminal charges as far as I can tell.
That said what proof do YOU have that natural justice was not met? Does there *really* have to be an independent investigation for this firing? Is it possible that Cenk had enough evidence through a few phones calls and getting a few credit bills in front of him after he was informed of the accusation and Hammond’s whole story to fire Jordan? Jordan Chariton who, let’s remember, along with being such a brilliant and exceptional journalist has spurred hundreds of TYT viewers to send tweets, emails and letters expressing their appreciation of Jordan and how he goes a long way to justify our subscriptions to TYT.
Or is Cenk, a man who built the world’s largest independent online news media with the help of only a few others, somehow also dumb enough to fire his shining star investigative journalist on unsubstantiated claims?
Man, I’ll be real; I don’t know if you are one of those guys who doesn’t understand enough about sexual harassment/assault and women yet to be sensitive and smart about these things or if you are just biased towards our man Jordan. But, dude, your whole comment here seems arrogant and made without some basic pauses to think critically about the situation.
“Due process? Like the legal stuff? Brother, don’t hold your breath! There ain’t no such thing in America, otherwise OJ Simson isn’t actually a murderer and Philandro Castille wasn’t murdered by a cop. You get my drift here, right? Just because a judge/jury rules it, doesn’t make it true.”
So your answer is anarchy? Our judicial system isn’t perfect so why even bother with it!
Wanting “proof” makes us jerks? So remember, if you have a problem with someone, just accuse away. No process, just bury them.
Based on the timing alone, TYT appears to be in the wrong. No “investigation” worth its salt could have been implemented in a mere day or two. Cenk criticizes Obama (correctly) for throwing people under the bus at the first hint of GOP outcry. And yet… Cenk does the same, apparently.
That said… after reading the account of what happened that night, including Jordan’s and others’ description, I can see why some people would freak out, especially older people. A drunken sex orgy involving 4 people seems pretty wild to older folks like myself. Makes my own twenty-something sexual adventures seem pretty tame. But this is a new world, and I know from talking to today’s twenty-somethings that things have changed. After reading the various accounts, I believe Jordan’s version.
And, there is NO DOUBT that there is a deliberate concentrated attack against him coming from folks who want to destroy TYT. By firing Jordan, TYT has aided the forces against it.
Sad. Very sad.
>> the time line as outlined by Jordan on MEDIUM:
I was informed the evening of Friday, November 17, 2017 — only hours after false accusations were published about me in HuffPost — that The Young Turks would be terminating my employment effective immediately.
The accusations are baseless. Within 24-hours of publication, HuffPost removed both articles because they contained false, defamatory information. HuffPost went on to make a statement to the author of those pieces that they refuse to stand by them, saying specifically, “we don’t have the ability to fact-check and stand behind that sort of original reporting in a contributor post.” Furthermore, there exists substantial evidence establishing that these claims were fabricated. This evidence includes discussion board posts wherein the author and co-conspirators plotted a distributed denial of service (DDoS) attack against the website I founded — Truth Against the Machine — and spoke brazenly about using the claims to threaten and demand my firing from The Young Turks along with destroying my career. Another conversation chain shows one co-conspirator admitting to me point-blank that the claims were fabrications. In subsequent public discourse, several parties have gone on to contradict themselves repeatedly while making additional threats.
I notified my boss, Cenk Uygur, in advance of a brewing effort to slander me, at which time he thanked me for my transparency, and promised to begin an immediate investigation via a third party. As such, news of termination left me bewildered. The Young Turks fired me without ever reviewing the copious countervailing evidence in my favor.
to read more:
https://medium.com/@jordanchariton/sloppy-journalism-corporate-panic-back-to-what-really-matters-3f4de682afd8
A double standard when it comes to Jordan, he is the best reporter I have seen on this or any other network in recent years. That should get him a fair hearing at the least. Why is their n ethics investigation as far as he is concerned.
To put him on some sort of leave until the investigation is completed would be acceptable, where are Jimmy Dore and the rest of the crew who so aggressively stand up for the underdog? I can’t believe that Cenk and Jayar among others are satisfied to sweep this under the rug and leave those of us who support TYT out in the cold not knowing what happened to our favorite reporter. If you are this biased and unfair I can no longer support you.
Wtf? I dont believe it. Jordan is a prime target for an establishment hit job. He did piss off the craven Clintons sumthin’ fierce.
I hope all these bro douchebags who support Jordan because they like him and refuse to believe the woman’s charge of sexual assault, because they are waiting for “proof”, which almost never exists in a sexual assault case will actually cancel their membership. So many people whine that they are going to cancel, but then never do. It would be great if the never believe women crowd wasn’t part of TYT anymore. They can go cry about bitches bringing men down in some MRA forum instead.
I must admit, nobody (not even Sec) manages to be a total twat as consistently as you do.
@gathly We don’t hang people on allegations in this fucking country. PERIOD.
Anybody can say anything. It doesn’t make it fact.
Salem, Massachusetts created the notion of Innocent Until Proven Guilty because of wild unproven vindictive accusations.
#BelieveWomen is BULLSHIT. The standard is #BelieveEvidence.
I don’t #BelieveWomen & I don’t #BelieveMen. I #BelieveEVIDENCE.
I wanna see what you say when they come for Cenk.
And believe me they’re coming for him.
Jordan will not be the last from TYT to receive a character assassination campaign.
It is already proven that the accuser lied.
It’s in a text conversation.
Cenk & Management fell right into their enemies’ traps.
They already openly admitted being ready to take down the entire organization of TYT.
Stay tuned. See how many get wrongly snared up by #metoo when this is all said & done.
John Lucas
@johnlucas and when there’s no evidence or possibility of evidence? You side with the man instead of the woman? Because if there’s any doubt, side with the man. That’s our society and why we call it a patriarchy.
This isn’t a court of law. It’s a job, where you can be fired if the boss thinks you don’t work well in the company. You can be fired for “not having the right attitude” or for not upholding “the company standards”. Jordan isn’t being arrested. He got fired. Grow up, you sad little shitty man. Women aren’t taking men’s shit anymore, and it’s a great thing.
If someone accused you of something heinous and you informed your employer about it, like Jordan, and your employer thanks you and promises to conduct a thorough investigation only to then fire you without said investigation, wouldn’t that trouble you? I think, and i’m just speculating here, you’d feel betrayed, angry and possibly look into taking legal action against your former employer.
Wtf happened to Jordan….you guys really just fired him like that…what happened to the independent investigation? I’m def not liking this at all…
As a member who has only commented one other time I just wanted to add my voice right quick.
I’m not going to say whether the firing of Jordan was justified or not since I don’t know, however I plea to TYT to please be transparent on the situation. Thank you. –Michael
What the hell is going on?
Jordan? We want to know about Jordan. It’s not complicated, you know your audience deserves answers, I love you guys but this honestly hurts right now. What happened, what is happening, how is this going to be resolved?
If nothing else we deserve closure.
I fear we will never get proper closure on this, at least not in the near future while the legal wheels are turning. It seems odd that drastic action was taken without a proper investigation. For now we are not privy to what information was used in the decision. It could very well be that Jordan was fired not for the reported allegations themselves, but for something else that came up in the course of looking into these allegations. Like I said, I don’t expect a satisfying explanation any time soon.
Ross Tonkin,
Go to Jordan’s Facebook page. Most everything is explained there. They aren’t talking about it because they don’t want to give publicity to any allegations that are faulse. Also the woman Jordan is aid to have done this to isn’t even the one speeding these rumors. It’s an ex friend of Jordan’s who was upset with him so told this story to a women Jordan worked with. I don’t want to be quotes wrong but the impression I got is that it was Jordan’s boss.
Will y’all please stop labeling the main show with the wrong date. It’s confusing lol (2nd time this month!)
I got lost in all the posts (about Jordan) but I had planned to write a nasty comment when I couldn’t find yesterdays show…thank-you!
This is a terrible turn of events. Firing Jordan without a proper investigation? Seriously? The dissolution of The Young Turks is quite depressing. Adios.
At least we still have Amy Goodman, Jimmy Dore, & Kyle Kulinski to turn to.
What happened to the nuance when you fired Jordan without giving him the opportunity to defend himself. People are innocent until proven guilty. What should have been done was a period of administrative leave for an investigation to be conducted into the veracity of the allegations. Then upon the completion of that investigation, a proper decision should have been made based on the findings. Not even to mention the evidence presented, suggesting these allegations are fabricated. This really dents my faith in TYT as a bastion of honesty and fair play.
I have just started the Hour, and glancing at posts I see that Jordan has been FIRED?!?
WHAT. THE. FUCK.
I see also that it has to do with sexual misconduct in some way from a Carly Hammond.
Cenk, aren’t YOU the one who says, “How does the Establishment go after someone they don’t like, or want to discredit … SEX SCANDAL.”
So it appears, with out ANY information to your members, you’ve FIRED Jordan?
That was an INCREDIBLY STUPID move.
YOU, Cenk, have just given the Establishment ammo to discredit everything that Jordan has done.
I’ve been a constant member for 10yrs. now.
This goes completely AGAINST everything you CLAIM to stand for.
No explanation, no investigation AND
NO TRANSPARENCY.
Wow.
It should be noted that the forces that have brought the charges against Jordan are not the establishment. They are the HA Goodman/Jared Beck wing of the progressive movement. So that should be considered.
I must say that above anything else this whole episode saddens me. And after reading most of the comments, I don’t think people get how complicated this situation could be. I am sure Cenk and TYT did not want to lose a great reporter like Jordan because his good work is almost single-handedly responsible for them being able to crowdfund and build up the Politics and Investigates channels. So I’m pretty certain this decision was not made lightly.
I agree that more transparency would be great, since TYT membership feels more like a family than a business transaction. But I also understand the legal ramifications of this. There is only so much that can be said publicly because they won’t want to have public statements used against them in any possible liable or wrongful dismissal actions.
I also think there were a lot of calculations involved. TYT might have deduced that yes, if we fire Jordan we might lose a lot of members in the short term, but as we want to grow as a news organization and news items about sexual misconduct become more and more prominent we can’t afford to be on the wrong side of this if the allegations turn out to be true.
I fear we will never know the whole story on this, and TYT acts at its own peril. But I doubt anything that any commenter posted here was not considered before the decision was made.
Well, what we DO know is that TYT and Cenk are not telling us ANYTHING.
TYT is terrible at informing members of changes.
They generally ignore members’ concerns.
Incorrect dates on vid despritions and slow uploads are NOTHING compared to beheading your investigative journalism team and then NOT explaining why.
THEY are the Internet Establishment.
What ever happened to Michael Tracey and Shaun King, who we never see on or mentioned anymore?
I suspect the next progressive that doesn’t follow their more mainstream views will be Jimmy Dore.
I imagine the next “Big Announcement” will be a new show with Michael Shure & Richard Fowler.
Oh, how the mighty have fallen.
I agree with you on the part about being less than responsive to member concerns. I also wondered about Shaun King, but apparently his TYT content is posted on Facebook rather than YT which is why I have missed it – I’m not much of a Facebooker. As for Michael Tracy, he is now on the investigations team which means less day-to-day political commentary, although his Twitter feed is still valuable for that.
In all fairness to those who are defending Jordan in these comments, I have to acknowledge that Jordan’s testing of water heater sludge for contaminants struck me as reckless, but his posting of DAP drone video was bold and his takedown of certain popular Democrats was brilliant.
From my perspective, the evidence is mixed. I will wait.
There is nothing about being part of a particular group that makes its members more or less immune to scandal. Everyone makes mistakes. The percentages may vary but the full spectrum of human behavior is represented in every group eventually, particularly if it is dynamic and growing. I would be more surprised if TYT did not eventually hire someone who had once misbehaved than if they did eventually hire someone who had.
I would not be surprised at all however if Jordan had the courage and integrity to confess when confronted. That would fit well with the evidence before my eyes, and I would not expect someone like Jordan to require a Frankenphoto to move him in that direction either.
Cenk, Jordan Chariton is accused by Carly Hammond of sexual assault, and you fire him without any discussion on the show or research. This doesn’t sound like you and it’s sure not truth and transparency.
Please check out this Intercept article:
https://theintercept.com/2017/11/20/young-turks-and-reporter-abruptly-part-ways-following-sexual-assault-allegations/
And this Claudia Stauber Facebook live that told the truth by Chelsea Lyons about what happen with Jordan Chariton and his accuser Carly Hammond when they were there:
https://www.facebook.com/claudia.stauber/videos/10212996301675227/
If you treat Jordan who is your best field journalist like this without a descent amount of research, what’s next?
What’s next is Jimmy Dore exiting without explanation from Cenk or TYT.
They will then have Grace & Brett host AP.
What other Aggressive Progressives are there on TYT, besides Jimmy & Jordan?
Steve and Malcolm are barely ever on … so who is there?
The Michael Shure wing has lots of representatives.
@chetzmom Go through this entire comment board & look for my posts.
I fully understand what’s going on here & it’s a multi-angle orchestrated campaign to demolish the TYT Organization.
Cenk & Management just played RIGHT into their enemies’ hands.
WATCH. WATCH.
Before long you’re gonna see the campaigners go against Cenk & Ben Mankiewicz using their time in the 1990s at WAMI-TV in Miami as the backdrop.
Cenk & Ben got around in those days. It ain’t nothin’ but a thang to have somebody make up a story of sexual assault or worse from that era & have it stick in this witchhunt frenzy of #metoo.
I KNEW innocent people would be getting lumped in with the real victimizers. I KNEW it.
That’s why I NEVER believed in that idea. I got heat right here on this board for disputing #metoo & preferring #meFIRST. You should NEVER wait & sit on violations.
It’s so easy for opportunists to make up stories after the fact. So you should get it on the record WHEN it happens so you won’t be thought of as in league with the opportunists & so that the violators pay for their crimes.
EVERY male inside TYT & the TYT Network including Jimmy Dore & Cenk’s nephew Hasan Piker will be seeing false allegations used to silence them & destroy their platforms.
This is what happens when you challenge POWER effectively.
TYT was under the radar even as late as 2014 & early 2015 because those in power saw their reporting as having limited effect on the national conversation.
They were allowed to slide because the Powers didn’t see them as a threat yet.
But NOW with their platform being a MAJOR reason for the outcome of the 2016 Election, being a MAJOR reason for the shift of the young generation…
…and having field reporters to boost this influence even further…
…well, you now see why they are no longer under the radar.
They’re on Front Street now & they’re still acting like they can do what they do like the old days.
You’re too big now, TYT.
You’re no longer the little upstart that could from Cenk’s living room or a rinky dink studio.
You may be the Underdog compared to CNN, MSNBC, & Fox News but you are THE MAINSTREAM for Internet Media.
You may be the Little Fish in the Big Pond but you are also the Big Fish in the Little Pond.
Forces are at hand to make sure you don’t become a Bigger Fish in the Big Pond.
So the waves you make won’t ripple as hard & as far.
You think Ana’s attack last year was a coincidence???
You think Nomiki’s threat last month was a coincidence???
You think Alex Jones & Infowars’s invasion with Roger Stone was a coincidence???
You think YouTube’s sudden change in monetization policy is a coincidence???
Use your goddamn head!
I have been watching The Young Turks since the Obama campaign from at least 2007 or 2008.
I have watched them grow into this amazing organization over the years.
And in March of 2016, I decided to put my money where my mouth was & become a permanent member of TYT with my $100 yearly subscription.
I looked at TYT as one of the most important vehicles for Progressive Change in this country & I wanted to support it…even though I have ALWAYS been part of the Working Poor & don’t have much money to spare.
But thanks to my IOU card (Credit Card), I was willing to take on that small debt so that TYT gets greater credit.
I was impressed by their growth & impressed with Jordan Chariton’s field reporting so I naturally contributed as much as I could spare from my IOU card to the Watchers On The Wall campaign for new reporters.
I wanted TYT to REPLACE the mainstream media & get the real stories out to the public to transform the national narrative. Much like what Nomiki & Ty are doing in Borikén (Puerto Rico) as we speak.
I EVEN donated to the Justice Democrats in September (when Bernie presented Medicare-For-All) & November (when Cenk debuted Alison Hartson as Feinstein’s opponent) hoping to boost the DemInvade option as I still keep tabs on the DemExit option.
Now, suddenly I wonder if doom is on the horizon for The Young Turks based on this IGNORANT decision to fire Jordan without considering the evidence that proves his innocence.
This move will DESTROY morale in the company.
The magic is gone now. This is no longer a “family”. It’s just a place to work now.
With that, people will be more out for themselves & more opportunistic in their actions within the company.
People will be more of the mind of TAKE than GIVE-AND-TAKE.
In all of this, keep in mind that this woman HAS NOT gone to the police.
It’s all just hearsay right now.
Demonization by Accusation. Juicy Gossip to send Lives into the Juicer.
Guilt by Tweet. Charge by Blog. STUPIDITY.
chetzmom, Cenk ALWAYS fell for the false allegations against Michael Jackson & was quick to condemn his name for YEARS.
They even put out a story last year from a tabloid called Radar Online just to play up that ‘Michael as Pedophile’ angle one more time.
Reader feedback caused them to backtrack but they were quick to suck up any allegation on its face.
But get ready, he’s about to find out JUST what Michael went through when those campaigners get ahold of him.
Maybe then, he’ll finally understand how important Innocent Until Proven Guilty really is.
Too bad, he couldn’t learn this lesson in time for Jordan Chariton’s sake.
John Lucas
My only rebuttal to this post is that the accusations against Jordan didn’t come from the mainstream, they came from people even more on the flanks of the outside and obscurity than TYT. Are you suggesting they are in league with powerful people in the mainstream?
@jaymeister I’m very convinced, yes.
I thought I was pretty good as sussing out fake comments in YouTube & Twitter & Reddit from real ones.
Who was a real poster, who was a bot, who was a paid shill, who was fooled by bots & shills unwittingly parroting the talking points.
Which angle the political attack was coming from: the Republicans, the Corporate Democrats, and so on.
Was it a mindless teenager just trolling just because or a real opinion influencer trying to shift
I thought I had a good handle on this stuff in 2016 but 2017 is giving me a Doctorate level education on how complex deciphering all of this stuff is.
The only way to practice refining these skills is to read numerous comment boards, twitter feeds & forums.
When you see a comment, check the account & look at a bit of the poster’s posting history to figure out where they’re coming from.
It’s how I found out that the Trumpgrets Reddit is really astroturf.
Same with the Trump Regrets Twitter account. The comments were mainly phony.
Figuring this out is more intuition than logic even though logic applies.
I GUARAN-DAMN-TEE you that there are people posing as ones part of the Bernie Movement who are really working for another entity.
I REALLY suspect Sane Progressive Debbie Lusignan sometimes.
Because she seems to spend more time dogging down other people’s attempts to make change than to actually make change herself.
I’m not 100% sure yet, she could genuinely feel like she feels, but I’m REALLY wondering now.
I figured out H.A. Goodman early.
Used to be subscribed to his channel because he did such a good job running down Hillary Clinton.
But then I noticed that’s ALL he was doing.
He NEVER really addressed Trump’s insanity & didn’t really advocate Bernie’s Progressive Agenda.
You can keep watch on the legitimate threat of the Clintons who still have control over the Democratic Party while ALSO discussing how to move the movement forward.
But he never did that. And his related channels tended to have right-wingers like Styxenhammer666 pop up in the videos. These people were not Progressive.
When H.A. started attacking TYT, it all started clicking for me.
I judged the scene right. All of a sudden Progressive Independent Media is spending more time infighting amongst themselves than talking about the issues.
I EXPECT the Steven Crowders & Hard Bastards to do stuff like this but among fellow Progressive Media???
Only thing I could see at that time was him trying to build his channel using TYT Outrage as clickbait.
NOW, I see it ENTIRELY differently.
I have been feeling a steady march to dismantle TYT among the Internet all year long.
And the only thing I haven’t figured out yet is who are the puppetmasters behind these campaigns?
I can see it coming from Clintonites, Trumpites, & even some Bernie-ites.
I don’t think it’s one specific entity. But a network partially wittingly/partially unwittingly working together for the same cause: DESTROY TYT.
This is what the buttering up of Jimmy Dore & Jordan Chariton telling them to leave TYT is all about.
That’s the Soft Power approach. Seduce them away from their UNITY.
This smear against Jordan is the Hard Power approach.
Force them to break their own UNITY.
jaymeister, what you gotta understand is that WE ARE IN A TIME OF REALIGNMENT.
I told my friends all throughout 2016 that 2016 is the Great Awakening.
The political lines will blur & the political camps will separate & recombine in ways you could not imagine before.
So many times you saw the “Hard Left” & the “Hard Right” be on the same page on a topic when you thought these guys were polar opposites.
In the midst of this realignment, you’re gonna have people who thrive in this chaos & will use this transitional state to misdirect & confuse people for whatever motive they choose.
That’s why you got people on the Left all of a sudden loving George W. Bush & playing up modern-day Red Scare McCarthyism.
Read this recent article from PhillyMag talking about the resurgence of Socialism amongst the young generation.
There’s a guy in here named Dustin Guastella who was a Conservative at one time but now is a full-blown Socialist at the age of 26.
http://www.phillymag.com/news/2017/11/18/socialism-philadelphia-millennials/
The political boundaries are bleeding into each other with weird unpredictable results.
And if you’re not fully alert about these shifts you can get caught up in manipulation from opportunistic chaos agents seeking to destroy a movement.
I’m still learning as I type this message. I’m constantly doing my best to decipher the angles the messages on social media are coming from.
Doesn’t it feel to you that 2017 seems to be the year of The Breakdown?
Everything we thought we knew is crumbling to its foundations this year.
Even The Young Turks are not immune.
They don’t realize how much THEY are susceptible to all of this chaos & disinformation.
Look at the Sam Seder/Jimmy Dore feud for instance.
Both part of the TYT Network but Sam’s at war with Jimmy. Is it merely professional jealousy, is it out of the disagreement with Bernie or Bust, or is it something else entirely?
jaymeister, stay alert & pay attention.
There’s an INFORMATION WAR going on right now.
The Internet has gotten too powerful & it’s seriously starting to affect world events outside of the Powers’ wishes. TYT is the King of Internet Media, this little rinky dink powerhouse of a media organization.
You break them, you break a major key to the Progressive Movement.
Bernie Sanders needs a major media to champion him for 2020 to make sure he doesn’t get the mainstream media blackout he received in 2015/2016.
Stay alert & carefully examine what you’re hearing & what you’re seeing.
Things are not what they seem on the surface, I know THAT much.
John Lucas
I tend to stick to Occam’s Razor in situations like this.
@David The tweet posted by a woman named Ann2Infinity @Ann2Infinity showed me everything I needed to know about this case.
Click this link & look at the pic she posted in this tweet.
https://twitter.com/Ann2Infinity/status/931661462736703488
Cenk & Management just played right into the infiltrators’ hands.
They just played right into the disruptors’ hands.
They just played right into their enemies’ hands.
And BECAUSE Cenk threw Jordan away like this, there ain’t gon’ be a DAMN thing he can do when they start in on him, Ben Mankiewicz, Jimmy Dore, his nephew Hasan Piker, Dave Koller, & every single male that works within or is associated with the TYT Network.
Just think about how easy it would be to set up a false allegation based on Ben & Cenk’s time in the 1990s in working on WAMI-TV.
Ben & Cenk got around in those days. Watch the campaigners use this against them in a nasty well-timed smear campaign.
I thought these guys were smarter than that.
In the time of Revolution the only way you will survive is if you maintain your UNITY.
UNITY is THE ONLY thing that has allowed TYT to overcome all of the attacks thrown their way.
When Alex Jones & the Infowars crew bombarded & invaded the TYT set at the Republican National Convention, you saw them stand United.
That’s why whiners still complain about Jimmy spitting on Alex Jones to this day.
The campaigners have been using hard & soft strategies to wither away TYT’s UNITY & COHESION.
All the buttering up of Jimmy Dore to break with TYT, all the buttering up of Jordan Chariton to break with TYT.
Alongside the H.A. Goodman attacks & all the various Right-Wing YouTube channel attacks.
It’s coming from all angles Left-Wing AND Right-Wing.
Clintonite, Trumpite, AND Bernie-ite.
Different motivations but the same theme: Break Up TYT.
When Nomiki Konst had her Wikipedia page deleted & phone threats made to her while she was at that Unity Reform Commission last month in October, I knew that nefarious forces were at hand trying to bring this organization down by any means necessary.
Alison Hartson’s campaign against Dianne Feinstein is in MAJOR danger.
Cenk puts himself in the role of her campaign advisor.
When they do a smear campaign on HIM like they did on Jordan, it can collapse the entire campaign AS WELL AS the entire Justice Democrats plan.
If he stuck by Jordan & let him prove his innocence like that pic from Ann2Infinity showed, Cenk would be able to weather that attack because TYT maintained its UNITY.
And bringing down TYT ALSO damages Bernie Sanders’ 2020 hopes since Internet Media will be his key to victory. With TYT out of the picture & Net Neutrality destroyed, they can squelch his impact on Mainstream Media.
There’s multiple reason for entities to want to take down TYT: Personal, Professional, & Political.
I thought Cenk & TYT Management was smart enough to realize this but obviously they’re not.
Did they REALLY think these people would give up power without fighting seriously dirty???
Did they REALLY think they would be able to just waltz in & take power in an above-board contest???
They should have KNOWN that eventually the attacks would become personal!
They should have KNOWN character assassination would be one of the weapons deployed.
Fans who have been distrustful of TYT since a good deal of the staff got behind Hillary last year were able to maintain faith in the organization thanks to guys like Jordan Chariton & Jimmy Dore who were able to dissent from the opinions & narratives of Cenk & many of the hosts on the main show.
It showed them an independent thinking organization that encourages debate & discussion.
Not anymore. That’s gone now. And it’s gonna damage everything Cenk hopes to achieve through his other organizations Wolf-PAC & Justice Democrats.
If he thinks dropping Jordan for fear of unnecessary distraction & controversy will help him, he will find out REALLY SOON how that was actually the WORSE thing he could have done.
Now it will be easier to trump up allegations on Cenk & every other male in that organization.
They have no idea how much they are gonna regret this decision.
It could very well be the end of The Young Turks.
John Lucas
“…A reporter that’s been accused [of sexual misconduct], these are important conversations to have and I think they require nuance.” – Cenk Uygur
Talking about glen thrush from the New York Times at the start of the show.
Do you think maybe there’s another reporter who was accused of sexual musconduct that we should maybe have a conversation about too?
Come on guys you need to talk about Jordan. You can’t just stay silent about it.
Come on guys, you need to talk about what happened to Jordan. I’m sure there are plenty of members like myself who are willing to hear you guys out; get both sides of the story before coming to a conclusion. That won’t last forever, the longer you take to address the issue the worse things will get.
I would also like to hear a transparent and honest explanation of the Jordan situation.
After hearing both sides of the story, I am still not sure who to believe. If there is some evidence proving things one way or the other, I would like to hear about it. Especially since, from the outside looking in, it seems like he shouldn’t have been fired before an investigation was concluded.
Please check out this Intercept article:
https://theintercept.com/2017/11/20/young-turks-and-reporter-abruptly-part-ways-following-sexual-assault-allegations/
And this Claudia Stauber Facebook live that told the truth by Chelsea Lyons about what happen with Jordan Chariton and his accuser Carly Hammond when they were there:
https://www.facebook.com/claudia.stauber/videos/10212996301675227/
This episode is 11/20/17–NOT–11/18/17
The Young Turks have just screwed themselves.
The recent video with Jordan on Reporting In was just posted on Wednesday, November 15, 2017.
The false allegations went public on Thursday, November 16, 2017.
We learn that The Young Turks promised to do an independent investigation on Friday, November 17, 2017.
And on Monday, November 20, 2017, we learn that The Young Turks FIRED Jordan on that same day of Friday, November 17, 2017…WITHOUT doing the investigation AT ALL.
Are You Serious???
Don’t you realize that ALL of you are a target for challenging the establishment this strongly???
You think it’s gonna STOP with false allegations on Jordan Chariton???
There are people out there waiting to take YOU ALL down!
I already read a tweet in from a guy who currently goes by the name ‘Bernie Wan Kenobi’ @Old_Bern_Kenobi who says he started his channel RevolutionGPS just to take Jordan down. And he’s aiming for Kyle Kulinski & Cenk Uygur NEXT.
Read it for yourselves. It was posted on Saturday, November 18, 2017 at 9:25PM.
https://twitter.com/Old_Bern_Kenobi/status/932117583301447680
“I understand we have a difference of opinion on this story, but trust me: Jordan is a piece of garbage. I started @RevolutionGPS_ just to take Jordan down because he is a toxic element within our movement. If someone else does it, that makes my life a lot easier. Next Kyle & Cenk”
Some more tweets from this guy showing that this is ALL part of a major campaign to destroy TYT.
Since I can’t put multiple links in these comments, I’ll just write down the comment & the date so people can search it for themselves.
Monday, November 20, 2017 at 5:08PM
“Remember: I told you in May your career was over, douchebag. Don’t cross real progressive journalists, Fox News’ boy.”
This Bernie Wan Kenobi/RevolutionGPS guy had the following tweet embedded within the preceding tweet.
Saturday, May 13, 2017 at 9:52PM
“This is the only video of yours I will remember, Jordan. Remember this avatar after your career is over.”
There was a YouTube link in the tweet but the video is a dead link now.
But look at the interesting coincidence I found with this guy’s May tweet & the tweets going on now in November.
The May tweet was a reply to Jordan’s Wednesday May 10, 2017 3:11 PM tweet talking about the Dakota Access Pipeline with a TYT Politics video accompanying it.
“I said REMEMBER this video of mine when #DAPL first leaks. Strong evidence they were drilling w/ out permit #NoDAPL”
The Jordan scandal breaks just as soon as this major Dakota Access Pipeline leak happens.
Interesting coincidence.
It seems that the DAPL thing is what eventually led to the split of Wes Clark Jr. & TYT as well.
Wes was never the same after going to DAPL protests & this also led to TYT ally Michael A. Wood Jr.’s estrangement from TYT.
Both said that major psyops were going on at those protests that were intended to create paranoia & dissension amongst the protesters.
It’s something I have been noticing online all year long against TYT since after the election.
LOTS of campaigning going on & not just from the predictable sources. All kinds of unusual angles.
I really felt that with all the calls for Jordan & Jimmy Dore to split with TYT amongst other things, somebody was trying to destroy TYT as a media outlet & a force for the Progressive Agenda.
Somebody is seriously trying to break up the Turks.
It’s an INFORMATION WAR going on right now. I know that for SURE.
Here’s another tweet from Bernie Wan Kenobi @Old_Bern_Kenobi that signals this.
From Monday, November 20, 2017 8:33PM.
“Mark my words: TYT is going down. It will be the $20 million they took from Jeffery Katzenberg and Alan Patricof that ruins them. That money is to TYT what a loan from the World Bank is to a third world country. TYT are controlled opposition sheepdogs for the Dem establishment.”
A frenzy has been going on against TYT due to this campaigning & lots of well-meaning people have been getting sucked into it.
robertjordan18 has been a member of this place for YEARS & now he distrusts TYT IMMENSELY.
It’s the same kind of thing that broke up those movements in the 1960s.
Infiltrators & psychological/information warfare that destroyed & dismantled revolutionary groups.
It’s the same kind of thing that ruined The ORIGINAL Young Turks.
Paranoia & distrust that split a unified force into factions that self-destructed & disgraced the original mission of the organization.
Leading to atrocities which stain the name of “The Young Turks” to this day. Yes, the Genocides.
So knowing all this, I understood what was going when Jordan got that smear job, that character assassination.
I understand it well because I know what happened to Michael Jackson in 1993.
That’s what taught me ALL ABOUT Media & its dangers.
What better way to chip away at TYT than to use the frenzy of #metoo to shut down one of its strongest voices.
#BelieveWomen is nonsense. The hashtag should be #BelieveEvidence.
Just because somebody says something doesn’t make it a fact.
That’s why we got rid of witchhunt from Salem, Massachusettes with the standard of Innocent Until Proven Guilty. And that’s NOT just a legal standard either.
It’s a LOGICAL standard for anybody who’s interested in finding the TRUTH.
The evidence has already been provided.
The accuser made up the story.
It’s all captured in a text conversation between Zee Cohen & Jordan Chariton himself.
Carly Hammond the accuser made up the story & those who had an axe to grind or a campaign to execute piled on the bandwagon to take Jordan down & ruin his career.
But do you REALLY think it’s gonna stop with just Jordan???
You are challenging Dianne Feinstein with Wolf-PAC’s Alison Hartson through the Justice Democrats.
You are primarying many entrenched Establishment Democrats with that organization.
TYT is at the crossroads as a media organization.
It’s the Underdog compared to the CNN’s of the world.
But it’s the Overdog in the Internet World.
The Little Fish in a Big Pond yet the Big Fish in a Little Pond.
And there are those who don’t want TYT to become a Bigger Fish in that Big Pond.
Cenk, THEY’RE COMING FOR YOUR ASS, Man!
YOU will be the next recipient of the #metoo campaign.
KYLE will be the next recipient of the #metoo campaign.
And when they smear you guys, the Justice Democrats will be ruined.
When they smear you guys, The Young Turks will be ruined.
They’re coming for Jimmy Dore. They’re coming for EVERYBODY associated with the TYT Network.
It’s no longer gonna be just mere trolls throwing out silly words in YouTube comments.
They’re gonna try to Ruin Your LIVES.
And like Michael Jackson if you survive it somehow, they will END your lives.
So you have just made the biggest mistake of your life by firing Jordan Chariton.
You did not stand by your people when the going got rough.
You did not let him clear his name.
And because of that, now the infiltrators will tear this place apart.
You lost your UNITY. And therefore, you will be DIVIDED & CONQUERED.
I really thought THIS Young Turks could avoid the mistakes of the Original Young Turks.
But history repeats. I guess there’s a spirit in the name.
You carry the name, you carry its legacy. Even if that legacy is ruinous.
Sad to see it happen.
I really liked this company.
Too bad you all didn’t take heed of the Revolutionary lessons of the past.
Never let the CHAOS break down your Cohesion.
Stay UNITED as you tear down the Old Order.
Prepare yourselves for the Domino Effect.
The smear campaigns have just begun.
John Lucas
Wow, once again, a novel from John Lucas…. I love your posts! Thanks for posting the twitter take down( I am NOT on Facebook or twitter)….This is a very sad day, on many levels…I don’t know what to think, or who to believe…LIVES ARE BEING RUINED…
@marazona Thank YOU, marazona! I love your posts on these boards.
I came up with those details with a glance of a search.
What I showed you was just a shallow surface of the conspiracy going on.
And I still found that much.
I’m ALSO not on Facebook or Twitter.
I NEVER liked social media.
I DO have accounts there but they were only formed when I worked with this game blog called Popzart/Popzara.
The webmaster there wanted me to make accounts there to spread my articles.
Just like I did with Digg. Go where the people are.
Should have never got involved with that site but I digress.
marazona, I posted this comment on the Hour 2 section of the November 20, 2017 episode (mislabeled November18, 2017) with more insight you may be interested in on this story.
A basic simple search gave me these details along with understanding of video posting history on YouTube.
Read it & reply to let me know what you think about it.
https://tytnetwork.com/2017/11/20/tyt-hour-2-november-18-2017-3/#comment-162524
This is the Internet Age.
There are no secrets in the Internet Age for good & bad.
Transparency is the default now.
So TYT’s silence on this matter will only make things worse on this subject.
They rushed to judgment & they panicked scared of controversy.
Jordan DID NOT RAPE Carly Hammond.
And by playing into the frenzy, TYT may have just chiseled their own gravestone.
John Lucas
Thanks John, and have a Happy Thanksgiving:)
“The evidence has already been provided.
The accuser made up the story.
It’s all captured in a text conversation between Zee Cohen & Jordan Chariton himself.
Carly Hammond the accuser made up the story & those who had an axe to grind or a campaign to execute piled on the bandwagon to take Jordan down & ruin his career.”
You yourself stressed the importance of evidence, so do you have a source for this? Seems pretty important
I’ve been watching TYT for about four years now and been subscribed for over a year. One of the main reasons I subscribed was the great work Jordan did. To find out that you fired him like this caused me no small ammount of distress. Now I’m not going to say I’ll immediatelly cancel my membership, because there might be another side to this story, however you can’t fire one of your main reporters and not address it. If you avoid addressing it, I will cancelling my membership. As it stands I feel very hurt by this entire situation, no matter how it is resolved. Please, use some of that transparensy you always correctly claim is so important.
There are a million ways not to reward a company like Apple for their behavior. The best one is to just use Linux. I prefer Ubuntu. It’s so efficient your can run it on a lot of computers others are throwing out, extend the life of your current computer, etc. It’s also free and based on UNIX so it’s secure. https://www.ubuntu.com/download
Here is an article that goes over many more reasons to use Linux over other operating systems.
https://www.popsci.com/switch-to-linux-operating-system
In all fairness, the lack of hardware support affects Linux also. Confidential proprietary DSP is commonly either served up as a binary blob or absent entirely, making some sound card drivers and the applications that use them, network interfaces, modems, etc. on Linux come out as bad as crippleware, with only basic mixer functionality available if any at all. Linux also abandons obsolete hardware as do all OS’s, but with Linux you can still usually find (or preserve) at least the most recent live CD to install for older versions if required, and not need a live server to activate it.
The number of companies releasing fully functional Linux drivers with proprietary DSP included is vanishingly small. Graphics is about it for the solid support, because without the graphics the computer is basically useless for gaming, so at least two or three major manufacturers support Linux graphics directly — the same two or three that support Windows graphics, because two or three manufacturers is about it in the way of graphics chipset availability.
Linux is also behind, way behind, in desktop functionality. The interfaces can be highly customized and they have the ability to pin windows on top, but they tend to be buggy and some customization can lead to disastrous outcomes if done inappropriately.
Much of the Linux plug-and-play functionality over Windows networking is implemented as a translation through an interface on the Linux side that may, or may not, speak Windows with an accent. The native Linux server and security services are rock-hard and efficient, but configuring them as a novice is basically impossible to do correctly. It takes a security expert to configure any server environment no matter what the OS is.
Where Linux excels is in low-latency data transfer using minimal code. It is open source and anyone can modify it, so it grows organically as a communal project. Engineers just tweak it into shape for running server functions and engineering simulations as a free alternative to proprietary versions of Unix.
Linux is the ‘Swiss Army Knife’ of operating systems, but it requires a ‘Swiss Army Physician’ to make proper use of it, at least at the level of sophistication of the typical home theater enthusiast or home engineering business proprietor, if not an industrialized IT environment. Otherwise it represents a step backward for e.g. the typical computer-naive user of the Internet and home entertainment.
Some people theorize that the reason some people do these things is so that they’ll be famous, and the at their names will be remembered. I remember names like Isaac Newton, Ada Lovelace, Nikola Tesla, Louis Pasteur, Marie Curie, Ibn Alhazan… Darwin, Carol, Heinlein… Mendeleev, Stravinsky, Tchaikovsky, (names I recall, spellings, sometimes, not so much…) and the like, while I make no special effort to remember the names of people whose most lasting accomplishments were committing murder. I choose to celebrate, rather than to give attention-whores and assholes what they want, rewarding their misbehavior.
I know this is a NEWS show and so you won’t as likely cover people like Lovelace and Curie, who’ve been dead a while, like everyone on my list, really, to varying degrees, so they don’t regularly make the news. But still.
Cenk keeps wondering why Progressives lose.
Well look no further than the way they handle sex abuse. Fox news was sex abuse central and probably still is and everyone in the conservative world is defending the perpetrators and rehabilitating them. Hell Bill O’Reilly is back at Fox. Roy Moore is now a hero and conservatives are behind him like a brick wall.
Come to progressives, a mere allegation (one in the case of Cheriton and 2 in the case of Franken and one of Franken’s is an obvious practical joke) is enough to scare the living shit out of them and they go out of their way to satisfy conservative and feminists.
@sec86379 Cenk & Management may have just fucked the organization doing shit like this.
I left for work this afternoon trying to see more updates on the Jordan story hoping to see some daylight.
I come back tonight & find out that TYT dropped him just like that.
I SAW the text conversation that proved his innocence on Twitter.
What TYT did to Jordan is a TRAVESTY.
Allegation DOES NOT EQUAL Fact. No matter HOW juicy the allegation is.
I thought these guys were smarter than that.
Don’t they realize that ALL of them are just as much a target for these smear campaigns as anyone else?
Cenk wants to be the campaign advisor for Alison Hartson as she runs against Dianne Feinstein.
Doesn’t he know that all it takes to ruin both her campaign AND the Justice Democrats is one well-timed smear?
When you back a rabid animal into a corner those attacks get DANGEROUS.
They will do ANYTHING to destroy the opposition.
What allowed TYT to survive all of the negative campaigning surrounding is their UNITY.
The team sticks together no matter what.
An example of this was at the 2016 Republican National Convention when Alex Jones & his InfoWars crew bombarded the TYT set.
Trolls STILL complain about Jimmy spitting on Alex in defense of his TYT colleagues.
But now, that UNITY has been broken.
Because of that watch every infiltrator & disruptor tear this organization apart from wall to wall.
TYT’s downfall is key to wrecking Bernie’s 2020 campaign since TYT is the King of the Internet Media, the media most friendly to Bernie Sanders.
These guys are not thinking about what they’re doing.
They’re playing RIGHT in the hands of those who want them destroyed.
What a waste!
John Lucas
Yeah. I’m now at the point of cancelling my membership. Undoubtedly that will delight you, since there is one person less in the comment section trying to push against you fomenting more Russia hysteria, but the last year of Cenk, Ana and John indulging in this red scare fantasy to soothe their election night trauma has slowly ground me down and now this is idiotic action by TYT leadership is the tipping point. I’ll watch what happens in the rest of the week and make my final decision on the weekend.
I guess my suscription money will go to Patreon for Jimmy and Kyle if I go through with this. Jimmy may be a bit flakey at times but he is sincere and powerful and Kyle just is sharp as a razor on 95% of the issues.
Cenk, Oracle is not seen, by most programmers, as a good company. They sued Google for using the program language that Sun Microsystems created, that they now own since they bought Sun, after Sun had tried to get Google to use the language. They have slave contracts and tries to suck out as much money from companies (sometimes cause they have a monopoly) with their shitty products that slowly degrade since they never invest in them. They are a malign company that is out to make a buck and not to help customers or to make good software.
https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/2e2c1o/what_do_we_hate_oracle_for/cjvewbi/
Cenk why are you surprised by the Jamaican?
There are a number of TYT subscribers (and employees) who comment here regularly who if Putin himself said that he engaged in active collusion with Trump and gave proof they still won’t believe him and will call him a shill.
OKAY SO WHAT THE FUCK TYT. First Wes Clark and now Jordan Chariton. Wtf is going on at your company? I look up to you guys why are you not standing by your employees and why are you keeping fans in the dark? I don’t think that’s fair. You want us to trust you, but you don’t trust us . We are vital to TYT. Get your shit straight and stand for something.
https://theintercept.com/2017/11/20/young-turks-and-reporter-abruptly-part-ways-following-sexual-assault-allegations/
I like Wes Clark and his open mindedness but if this post is any indication of his mental state I am not surprised TYT has parted ways with them. https://www.facebook.com/WesClarkJr/posts/10154782845553715
Wes Clarke went insane. He can’t be on TYT while insane.
I also think that the Jordan situation is looking much worse for TyT than the Wes Clark situation.
Cenk, for me, you are wrong, dead wrong. I choose not to remember the names of the refuse of humanity who mass murder. I think you can make your point without listing names. In the movie “Sleeper” (1973), the scientist, who revived the main character from cryogenic sleep, asked for help clearing up historical mysteries from the 20th century. He showed a picture of Richard Nixon and revealed historical databases had no information about him. He theorized that he was a powerful man, but did something so horrendous that all information about him had been wiped from history.
I stopped at 57:11 to write this comment. I’ll be switching channels now.
I’m also disheartened with the Jordan firing.
noooo I thought he was just on admin leave!
Wow- the mra/gamergate/douchey little boys are out trolling in force tonight!
I don’t think this has anything to do with MRA…
I’m with Jordan…Hire him back or prove the charges. Come on Jimmy Dore, Cenk Come clean
hire him back? thats just ridiculous. that will show that the firing was baseless. thats not gonna happen, whether its the right thing to do or not.. plus jimmy dore has nothing to do with it.
Why did TYT fire Jordan Chariton before completing an investigation? What ever happened to innocent until PROVEN guilty.
@CJacquot Some fools think Innocent Until Proven Guilty is only a Legal Standard.
They’re dead wrong.
Innocent Until Proven Guilty is a LOGICAL Standard.
If you seek the Truth on anything, you look for the EVIDENCE not the ALLEGATION.
TYT has made the biggest mistake of their 15 going on 16 years of business.
This will end up destroying the organization.
They lost their UNITY, the only thing that allows them to survive all the slings & arrows thrown their way.
Jordan is Innocent.
Carly Hammond made up the allegations.
This was PROVEN in a text conversation between Zee Cohen & Jordan Chariton himself.
It’s all right here from a woman going by the name Ann2Infinity @Ann2Infinity.
https://twitter.com/Ann2Infinity/status/931660915233251330
TYT Management has made their decision & they’re gonna regret it.
Watch Cenk & others inside TYT be NEXT on the hitlist.
I have already seen tweets of conspirators plotting to take TYT down.
A guy who goes by Bernie Wan Kenobi @Old_Bern_Kenobi has been been promising to ruin Jordan’s career since at least May of this year.
And read his tweet history to see what he has planned for Cenk & Kyle Kulinski of Secular Talk, 2 of the co-founders of Justice Democrats.
FOOLS!
They were supposed to be smarter than this.
A goddamn shame.
John Lucas
Perhaps because even if Jordan’s account is true, he has violated the principle that consent in a power differential situation may not be possible.
This has been expounded many times. As an employer, him having sex with a drunk much younger employee (which he admitted to) is not exactly clear-cut consent.
https://medium.com/@jordanchariton/sloppy-journalism-corporate-panic-back-to-what-really-matters-3f4de682afd8
Canceling my membership. The charges against Jordan Chariton are provably false. I can’t believe you’d turn on him like that. Shame on you.
@DBDBDB Pure foolishness from these guys.
They ought to know better than this.
Because they didn’t stand by Jordan when he was falsely accused, watch how easy they will buckle once Cenk & others are falsely accused.
The Establishment & OTHER Campaigners of Different Stripes are ready to attack The Young Turks from all sides until this organization is dead.
With UNITY, they could survive these attacks.
Without it, they’re toast.
John Lucas
What happened to Jordan Chariton. Of course, as of right now there are claims that need to be addressed, but, what the he’ll? Why fire him first? You might have lost a good reporter for no reason.
I would also like an official statement on this. Sooner rather than later.
i second that! cenk has to make an official statement about it or noone is gonna let this go.. if theyre waiting for people to move on, its not gonna happen, until he addresses all of Jordans tyt fans
I found that satisfactory and figured they wouldnt be able to say much because if he was fired or put on leave you get into wrongful termination issues.
There have been a lot of allegations online, and I have not been able to find any facts beyond rumors, which I’m sure the online trolls from the right are happy to capitalize on.It’s hard to trust anything online these days, especially if you’re a liberal mouthpiece you become a troll target.
I think Jordon is a great reporter, but I dont know any of the facts on this case so I can’t say anything.
As much as I like the dude, these kinds of accusations should be taken very seriously and thoroughly investigated. I
I agree. You tell us time and again not to take your word for the stories you cover – do our own research! You won’t even address these issues to us, the people who “make independent journalism possible”? You say time and again that if it weren’t for us, you wouldn’t be there! Well, show us you really mean it. To just have someone who is such a face of the company to just disappear with no comment or notification really makes the company look bad. I am rethinking my support in any way if this treatment is to continue.
@nightzet467 The Turks fucked up.
They’re gonna regret this. BIG.
They should know that The Powers That Be are coming for their necks.
Infiltrators & Disruptors are ALWAYS sent out in the midst of Revolution.
The only way you can withstand those mind games is with UNITY & COHESION.
I have already seen some of the conspirators plan on targeting Cenk & Kyle Kulinski next.
TYT shoulda known better. REALLY stupid move here.
John Lucas
That wouldnt surprise me. I’ve hung out on 4chan for like a decade and I’m somewhat familiar with their smear tactics and how to manipulate the internet news cycle (how many times did they get Justin Bieber dead! trending on google like 10 years ago)
“fake news!” the best defense is a good offense, these “infiltrators” will cry fake news all day long with 5 photoshops going at a time.
I agree with you on unity and cohesion to a certain extent, I prefer critical thinking and a thirst for actual facts.
@Masshole508 You know something, I didn’t fully understand how this new breed was built until this year.
The stuff you see on 4chan, Reddit’s The Donald, & this new breed of right-wing was cultivated in the gaming world first.
The XBox kids who spewed racial slur after racial slur on XBox Live hyper-normalizing & super-boosting that kind of behavior.
See, I’m a gamer & I’m also a gaming historian.
I KNOW what the X in XBox really stands for.
XBox is short for DirectX Box. DirectX is an API, an application programming interface, from Microsoft.
But what was the codename for DirectX?
►The Manhattan Project◄
Yes, it is INDEED referencing THAT Manhattan Project of the 1940s, the one that created the Atomic Bomb that bombed Japan in World War II.
This information comes from one of the 3 producers of the DirectX API, Alex St. John, in a March 2007 interview with Shacknews.
http://www.shacknews.com/article/46338/alex-st-john-interview
Keep in mind the time period DirectX was first created in.
1994. A time that saw Japanese gaming consoles dominate the gaming scene as well as the overall technological world. Nintendo was the reason for this shift thanks to their Family Computer better known to you as the Nintendo Entertainment System with Super Mario Bros. & The Legend of Zelda.
Sega, originally an American company called Service Games, represented EVEN MORE Japanese presence as they tried to compete with Nintendo’s Mario with their Sonic the Hedgehog & their Sega Mega Drive AKA Sega Genesis.
With these Japanese companies dominant it influenced one of the KINGS of Japanese electronics, the Sony Corporation, to put their chips in on this videogaming scene.
Once part of a collaboration with industry leader Nintendo, the PlayStation ceased being a Super Nintendo CD Drive add-on & became Sony’s entry into the videogaming market.
But Sony was not a gamemaker at heart & had to get outside support to supply their platform.
Who better to get than the home computer/personal computer gamemakers whose market was eclipsed by Nintendo’s emergence with the NES in the 1980s?
But by the mid-1990s, who was the King of Computers?
It was no longer Apple who started this whole personal computer craze since Apple’s Board of Directors kicked out one of the founders Steve Jobs in 1985.
It was now Microsoft & its Windows PC.
And keep in mind the name of Sony’s videogaming arm: Sony COMPUTER Entertainment.
Reminds you of the WWF’s/WWE’s Vince McMahon & his odd name for pro wrestling called Sports Entertainment. We’re too good for wrestling, says WWF/WWE.
We’re too good for videogames, says Sony.
So Sony coming for the COMPUTER gamemakers was treading on Microsoft’s natural turf.
It was bad enough with all these Japanese companies Japanifying the kids with Ninjas, Sentai Power Rangers, Tanuki Leafs, & Kawaii cuteness.
Now we got the Walkman guys trying to take over & ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.
All you Japanese can get BOMBED by our Manhattan Project!
As Alex St. John said, the original logo for DirectX was a glowing green radiation symbol.
To quell the potential controversy they added another piece to the symbol making it look like an X instead of the 3-pronged radiation symbol we all know.
When they struck with this Manhattan Project, it would be a Direct Hit & X marks the spot after all.
Now you REALLY know what DirectX means & why the XBox was fertile ground for the new breed of the Right-Wing.
Why the game scene became more “realistic” & warlike instead of fun & whimsical as the Japanese gamemakers presented.
Why the Zombie phenomenon was so popular recently (humans but not really so kill them. Zombie derived from an African Kongo word by the way).
Why Call of Duty’s war propaganda hits so strongly in this age of the everlasting “War On Terror” after the modern-day Reichstag Fire known as 9/11.
There’s a HEAVY White Supremacist bent in the technology world. Always was.
People are so surprised at Peter Thiel’s politics but if you look at his origins & history, it’s not a surprise.
His family is from Germany & most likely have connections to the Hitler Nazi regime.
He grew up in Apartheid South Africa. Just because he’s gay doesn’t mean he’s a liberal/progressive/”leftist”.
I’m really coming to understand just how deeply connected this stuff is now which is why I broke down this post like I did for you.
There’s a Political Spectrum EVEN IN Tech.
There’s a Political Agenda EVEN IN Tech. ESPECIALLY in Tech seeing how pervasive it is in our lives.
So once Gamergate shows up in 2014, you start to see these seeds be harvested.
I could never figure out why this was such a big deal in gaming media.
It seemed like clickbait to get viewers but it wasn’t even about games really.
I dismissed this foolishness as overblown gamer drama.
But it turns out that this was part of the strategy of building the base that would elect Donald Trump.
And think about 4chan for a minute.
That -chan suffix is Japanese. The American youth culture has been Japanified by Japanese media largely thanks to Nintendo’s takeover of the videogame industry in 1985.
It was one thing when American gamemakers & Japanese gamemakers shared the spotlight in the early 1980s.
But by the late 1980s, just about everything was Japanese from Double Dragon to the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. With Japan’s influence so strong with the youth, this naturally began the encroachment of Japanese manga over American comic books & Japanese anime over American cartoons.
Enter DragonBall Z from Cartoon Network’s Toonami as another sign of the massive cultural shift.
By the 2000s, we got American kids repping DragonBall’s Son Goku over Superman.
This is the environment 4chan begins in when its board is started in 2003.
To detangle the influence of non-White cultures & reassert White Dominance, encourage callous behavior from White youngsters & teens with this Japanese-styled forum as the attracting ground.
With the merging of Internet with videogame consoles, one hand will wash the other.
The Internet’s anonymity makes thoughtless hurtful statements easier to make with little to no consequence.
Perfect breeding ground for psychopaths. It’s just trolling, no big deal. It’s just trolling.
Now we’re in a time when Japanese Sony has “Westernized” which is code for “White-sternized” to compete with the XBox leaving Nintendo as the last true gamemaker trying to uphold those fun & whimsical values Japan often delivers in their videogames. Damn that’s a Direct Hit! A DirectX! BOOM!
Many channels of YouTube Gaming soon became not really about gaming at all.
Secret subtle recruiting grounds for the new Right-Wing using Gamergate as the hook.
A new breed being prepared to battle against the inevitable demographic shifts coming to “The Western World”.
Similar tactics were being used in the Atheist community through “New Atheists”.
Do people realize that the Unite The Right rally was organized on Discord?
I mean check out the name for God’s sake! DISCORD! Hahahahahahaha!
Telling you right what it is upfront! Hahahahahahaha!
A Game is definitely being played but it ain’t just on a videogame screen.
Cenk is seemingly out of his depth when it comes to this new game.
The scene is transforming at a rapid pace. I mean things are REALLY shifting under our feet.
I’m getting a brand new education about everything I thought I knew here in 2017.
I’m connecting dots that I thought were not connectable & it only opens up new mysteries.
If you do not pay close attention to what is going on with this internet scene & all things connected to it, you’ll be standing flatfooted at all the events that are set to come.
It’s not just a 2-sided fight. Start thinking of 7 sides first & work from there.
This shit is DEEP. Really DEEP. And it’s been planned for a long time.
Look at how much people now realize it’s not just Wall Street that’s a threat.
People are now seriously rethinking the whizbang awe of Silicon Valley.
Definitely use your critical thinking & adherence to facts when studying what’s going on with the scene.
Cenk is seemingly hapless at figuring out all of these angles so his best bet is hold on to UNITY & COHESION at the minimum & he didn’t even do that.
I’m in heavy observation mode trying to figure out all the angles these attacks are coming from & who would be behind them. Think about this.
What happens if we find out that this whole #metoo situation was put into motion by Roger Stone himself?
John Lucas
Quit nit-picking about the posted date! I’m watching when I usually do; I didn’t spend a minute over a tiny mistake.
WTF TYT?! Shame on you for firing Jordan Chariton without a proper investigation of obvious false claims. I am reconsidering my membership.
@widdomakr A lot of people are. Understandably.
ESPECIALLY with no official comment & reasoning to their members.
I’ll let mine finish its cycle since I paid for a yearly subscription.
And I’ll keep speaking my mind on these comment boards calling out TYT on foolish decisions like firing Jordan when the guy is innocent. PROVABLY innocent.
This is a real DISGRACE.
I am DISGUSTED with TYT right now.
This is not how you handle business.
Jordan is not a rapist. So you don’t fire innocent people.
He may have been unwise & unprofessional messing around with co-workers but that’s grown folks’ business.
He didn’t violate anyone & that’s the only thing that matters.
This decision will boomerang back to them HARD. Watch & see what I mean.
The conspirators are trying to DESTROY TYT & TYT just gave them the opening to do just that.
John Lucas
According to the statement released by Jordan, TyT did hire a third-party investigator. Now they fired him.
Isn’t a plausible explanation that the investigation did find wrong-doing on his part, that this was enoguh reason to fire him, and that TyT isn’t yet making a statement because they need further evidence?
It could also be that Jordan’s story is 100% accurate and he was fired for different reasons.
But I don’t see how the current evidence is conclusive either way.
You say “He didn’t violate anyone & that’s the only thing that matters.” – but unless you have insider information that isn’t available to the public, you don’t know that, you are just speculating because you trust Jordan.
Correction: I see he was fired on the day of the investigation, not 3 days later. That changes things a bit. It still is not conclusive, though.
@silverspawn This tweet right here from Ann2Infinity is the only thing you need to prove Jordan’s case.
https://twitter.com/Ann2Infinity/status/931661462736703488
It’s a picture of a text conversation between Jordan Chariton & Zee Cohen, co-founders of Truth Against the Machine.
Zee Cohen was briefly a part of the Bernie Sanders campaign as Director of Canvassing between February & March 2016.
Because of her Bernie ties, TYT brought her in as an Intern Field Producer in January 2017 which most certainly means she worked in the field with Jordan Chariton & TYT Politics.
Truth Against the Machine was started in February 2017 by these 2.
In May 2017, TYT hired Zee full time as Web Producer, a position she had until August 2017.
She worked on Truth Against The Machine the whole time while working with TYT.
Zee ran more of the day-to-day operations of this internet-only business while Jordan was in the field on TYT Politics reporting.
There’s no office here. It’s all conducted most likely on cellphone & Skype.
She was the one or one of the main ones hiring these people into Truth Against The Machine.
The H.A. Goodman vs. Jordan Chariton feud began in early May 2017.
And this smear campaign is coming from him & this crew.
H.A. & Company may be doing this all on their own accord or they’re doing this on behalf of a greater power.
I’m wondering if it’s more of Option 2 than Option 1 at this point.
Zee either unwittingly hired saboteurs into Truth Against The Machine or has been in league with the saboteurs all along.
The Bernie Campaign had secret agents inside trying to disrupt that movement.
This is how that voter file thing got screwed up in December of 2015.
Any Revolutionary Movement will have infiltrators, disruptors, & saboteurs to break it down from the inside.
According to the text conversation, Zee Cohen admitted that Carly Hammond made up the story.
And she played along with the smear before realizing the girl made the story up.
She was initially willing to go along with it because she was mad that Jordan fired her somewhere along the way.
Go & look at the video history of Truth Against The Machine on YouTube from the oldest date added upward.
You’ll see Zee Cohen listed in the video title AND the name graphic on screen as Executive Producer of Truth Against The Machine.
It seems that infiltrators got into Truth Against The Machine to start the process of breaking down The Young Turks. Jordan is the first victim. If you don’t count Wes Clark Jr. that is.
That’s why half of the TATM staff vouches for Jordan’s character while the other half are demonizing it.
Some joined earnestly out of good faith & some are subversive campaigners.
Keep in mind that Carly Hammond the accuser NEVER went to the police.
All of this is being done purely on hearsay.
Other women in TATM VERIFIED that Carly is lying like Jenn Dize (using a statement on Facebook from a woman named Claudia Stauber).
This is not simply because I trust Jordan.
This is because these are the FACTS.
I have no respect for The Court of Public Opinion.
The Public can be easily manipulated.
I only have respect for the FACTS. For the EVIDENCE. For the TRUTH.
Trial by Tweet & Trial by Blog ain’t worth a goddamn.
Neither is Trial by Media. The only thing that matters is the FACTS.
And the FACT is Jordan Chariton did not rape Carly Hammond. The allegations are lies.
John Lucas
Sadly, I fear you’re right!
gigi off her game abit lol
@fadiantoun Yeah, date’s all out of wack.
It’s November 20, 2017 but she got November 18, 2017 on the date title.
I wouldn’t be surprised if it has anything to do with the WRONGFUL firing of TYT Reporter Jordan Chariton.
I don’t think TYT has ever fired anyone before.
Definitely not someone prominent so the workplace is probably shook right now.
And hence the wrong date on the video.
John Lucas
Why did TYT fire Jordan Chariton before completing an investigation?
mmm good question… I didn’t even know about this until I read your comment. I haven’t finished watching hour 1 yet – I’m surprised that Cenk didn’t even mention the firing… Seems like you’d want full disclosure about this sort of thing, especially if TYT thinks it’s doing the right thing by letting him go…
https://medium.com/@jordanchariton/sloppy-journalism-corporate-panic-back-to-what-really-matters-3f4de682afd8
What happened to, “keeping it real?” TYT is really looking like it’s betraying its origin and brand. This hurts…. a lot. I have, for years, relied on TYT for my little lifeboat of relatively reasonable coverage. TYT grew and became huge by defying these types of behaviors and now it looks like they are making a textbook mistake. I hope they decide to address this. I suppose it is possible there is more information than is currently available. I will withhold judgment for now, but if this continues to be met with silence I may have to withdraw my support from TYT.
Priests in favor of pedophilia? Wow, that was absolutely impossible to see coming.
As an engineer myself, it baffles me how you guys have been doing this for so long but still don’t have uploads for the members down pat. I just hope you don’t lose viewers in this way… that would be a waste.
Thanks for the upload, small typo in the date, but all good. <3
who’s high as fuck…again…
i was about to say im unsubscribing cause you upload shit way too late but anakasfan42069 lives for another day
Just like last week, labels as the wrong numerical day. The 18th was Saturday, today was the 20th.
THANK YOU