Aggressive Progressives: November 16, 2017

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On this week’s Aggressive Progressives, Jimmy Dore is joined by Malcolm Fleschner and Mark Thompson talk Lee Camp’s modern day Red Scare and smearing former NSA whistleblower, William Blinney, who exposed the Russian investigation.

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  2. When Steve isn’t on the show to interject some thoughtful commentary and steer the conversation to multiple topics, this show really seems to struggle in covering substantive material. Most of the episode once again falls back to (1) Hillary Clinton and (2) why Jimmy believes the Mueller investigation is some sort of indication of baseless fearmongering re:Russia (why? it’s an investigation that has already resulted in major political figures indicted on criminal charges). Meanwhile, Secular Talk is covering the details of horrific Republican tax plan (at least Jimmy has taken some time to address this so far, albeit briefly), Justice Democrat races, a new report showing US-led airstrikes have killed far more Iraqi civilians than officially acknowledged, the destruction of net neutrality, states revoking licenses over student loan debt, Mick Mulvaney’s appointment to the CFBP, Trump’s stacking of permanent (!) federal judiciary positions, Ro Khanna getting Congress to declare US military action in Yemen as unauthorized, etc. etc. etc.

    Regarding RT – I’m not going to make a firm judgment one way or another about RT and the legitimacy of its reporting overall, but it’s incredibly odd to see this lionization of RT as some sort of haven for ‘truth-tellers.’ MSNBC and CNN have an establishment corporate bias, Fox is an outright deliberately misleading right wing propaganda arm, and RT has an establishment bias in providing its news from a Russian (government-friendly) point of view. Reliable regulatory agencies like Ofcom have found RT to have broadcasted misleading content on Syria and Ukraine in the past (Liz Wahl and Abby Martin have both spoken out about the latter). Why ease up on a critical analysis of potential bias for one source and not another? Honestly acknowledging possible conflicts of interest in reporting across the board is not being a ‘red scare’ shill, it’s being a rational and responsible consumer of information.

    It’s also a bit ridiculous to hold up RT as one of the better examples of “speaking truth to power” when they also have their limits – how often do they critique Medvedev and Putin, two of the most powerful people in Russia? And what have been the repercussions for reporters who have done so? What sort of fact-based investigations/reports does RT offer that have been ignored or incorrectly covered by legitimate american/european outlets with internal auditing and established fact-checking procedures in place? What makes RT more accurate or reliable than PBS, DW or France 24 when it comes to objective presentation of facts?

    RT is simply one source of news among many, with its own clear perspective, from which people can get information about global current events. I understand that Jimmy’s been on the channel a few times for interviews, and while that normally wouldn’t be a big deal I’m wondering if being objective about RT in the way that he is about other networks might prevent the network from calling him back on. Has Jimmy disclosed if he gets financially compensated for these appearances?

  4. I’m worried about Jimmy here. I’m betting it won’t be long before Cenk pulls the plug on Jimmy being on the TYT network. Jimmy tells the truth too often for a closeted Corporatist like Uygur.

    2. I’m not convinced this is true. Jimmy, whom I love, is farther left than Cenk but to call Cenk a closeted corporatist is hyperbolic and, frankly, stupid. But we will see if you’re right.

  6. I’ve had a bad taste in my mouth for TYT the past few months, they have been recycling cnn/msnbc stories and trying to spin it as if it’s their own. I remember when they covered REAL stories, and after reading JC’s comments as to what happened (Cenk will never mention this for fucks sake) I feel as if they should have done some investigating into the matter. No, they dropped the fucking ball. Honestly, so much for relying on us members to fund the show…no one in their fucking right mind would believe a $20 mil investment would allow them thenrun the show as they used to, you’d be fucking insane if that thought crossed your mind. I’ll give them a few to address this situation but if they don’t (which is the likely outcome) then fuck you TYT, you will never see another dime from me!!

    2. Agree on much. Bad taste is exactly my feeling as well. I no longer trust Cenk; especially after the last large infusion of 1%’er money he got. I’m betting by 2018 or 2020 at the latest we’ll see TYT again knuckle under to the Democratic Party and promote the lesser of two evils again. I no longer see TYT as Progressive.

  7. Hard to imagine JD doing any more Aggressive Progressive episodes after what they’ve done to Jordan Chariton. I’ll be disappointed if he just goes on like Jordan never existed. Can’t see myself continuing on with TYT membership. Not that our membership dollars mean much to them any more when they’re getting millions from “donors.”

    1. > I’ll be disappointed if he just goes on like Jordan never existed.

      Absolutely! But, in all likelihood, acknowledging this affair in any way can only be done Jimmy leaves TYT.

      Inviting Jordan for another interview (to add to the dozens of already existing interviews between Jordan Chariton and Jimmy Dore) can only be done if Jimmy leaves TYT. That’s just how the cookie crumbles on this, folks.

  8. that about sums up how the rest of the country is going to view this yeah. TYT needs to address this up front and publicly or it’s just going to be another ding on its slowly but surely increasing list of things that are making people skeptical of the network. they’re doing the exact same shit the clintons do when they try to cover up and hide things for no apparent reason, forcing the rest of us to merely speculate and wonder what the hell is really going on.

  9. i don’t think it’s california that’s the problem so much as it is LA specifically. i’ve moves up and down the west coast. LA is by far the worst for this sort of passive-aggressively-shitting-on-others-and-then-refusing-to-address-it behavior. some of silicon valley can be like that but certainly not all of it. here in SF that shit would never fly without some pretty severe backlash by a lot of people. in fact i think if TYT were based in SF it’d be a much different company – that is if it’s employees could manage to live without their BMWs and take the train once in a while like actual progressives. LA is incredibly neoliberal, incredibly insular in these sorts of business practices, and very self-unaware of it.

    2. Your experience serves as a guide here (I myself have never worked in California).

      As someone on the Way of The Bern subreddit put it:

      I think this is really going to hurt TYT badly. Though they seemed to be headed in a more corporate direction, I and probably many others were willing to give them a pass because their reporters, who’ve proven themselves worthy of trust on the issues, vouched for them. … Firing Jordan without due process indicates that they don’t return that loyalty and are willing to throw their reporters under the bus in order to try to save face. Unless they have other proof that we have yet to see, their reaction on this matter looks goddamn horrendous. When you put your brand’s value above finding the truth, I can no longer trust what you say.

      https://www.reddit.com/r/WayOfTheBern/comments/7edwqd/the_young_turks_have_fired_reporter_jordan/dq5euaw/

  10. And so, BOOM, Jordan Chariton is gone from TYT, from one minute to the next.

    Regardless of whether JC was 100% or 0% to blame for this entire turn of events , the bottom line is that either way this is another blow for TYT as a “progressive”network. Because, through his work investigating the Democratic establishment, corporations and the elite more generally, and by leading the charge at Standing Rock, Jordan was one of the progressive pillars at TYT.

    And once again, Jimmy too is diminished by his association with TYT. How many interviews with Jordan has he done, both on this show and on the Jimmy Dore Show? Several dozens. Due to the “never is ever deleted” nature of the web, those interviews will stick around forever.

    I repeat the call that I have made several times on these boards, ever since TYT took $20 million in venture capitalist money: it’s time to leave TYT, James. You have outgrown it and it keeps evolving into the wrong direction. My wager is that your leaving sooner would be less damaging to progressives and to yourself than your leaving later would be.

    #freejimmydore

    2. i’m starting to get a bad taste in my mouth as well. i’m not gonna go so far as to say anyone at TYT is bought out, but this passive aggressive firing/ostracizing certain people in a knee-jerk effort to keep up appearances (michael a wood jr and others come to mind as well) reeks of los angeles insularity. i used to live in LA, and this totally dysfunctional, hypocritical, non-transparent way of handling “business” is how a lot of so-called progressives in that city operate. it’s a very neoliberal town when it comes to how people treat each other, regardless of how people vote. it’s a small issue i’ve always had with TYT though i’ve let it slide in the past. though with this jordan chariton shit, i’m starting to rethink my membership here as well. sad cause i just recently switched from monthly to annually. this’ll be the last year, though, if all this passive aggressive non-transparent crap continues. jordan, michael, etc, and their followers AT LEAST deserve a public explanation and AT BEST deserve more than just a quick brush under the rug when someone else at TYT decides to get butthurt by something they said. the young turks? how about the immature turks. sorry guys, but this doesn’t look good or normal to anyone outside of your los angeles business bubble.

      1. I couldn’t agree more. As I’ve said in the past, the lack of transparancy and lack of accountability towards its members/viewers seem to lie at the root of all these issues, tying them all together, whether it’s issues on the ownership/financial side of things or issues with how employees are being treated. And I too increasingly regret that TYT is based in California and seemingly infected by Silicon Valley business culture (as is becoming increasingly apparent).

  12. so just what the fuck is up with you guys firing jordan chariton? between this and TYT’s total lack of transparency in several other areas lately (michael a wood jr, acting like davis hildebrand suddenly doesn’t exist, etc) i’m honestly starting to wonder if i should cancel my membership until you guys can actually be upfront about just what the fuck is going on with you all suddenly fighting against these people who clearly are on the right side of issues that matter. i understand that passive aggressive behavior and keeping up appearances are all the norm in LA but to the rest of the country you guys’ continued silence on these baffling situations make you look increasingly suspicious to say the least. i expect better from you guys. what the hell is going on? i’m waiting for jimmy dore to get canned next and for everyone else at TYT to quietly act like nothing happened. this stuff isn’t professional or progressives, guys and it’s starting to get old.

  13. trevor noah is the only black guy in america that doesnt know what its like??? WHY ? Because hes an immigrant??? Minorities respect trevor noah because he does know what its like to struggle and be oppressed. Read his autobiography! you dont have to be an american at birth to know that. alot of us werent. Ignorant.

  14. Holy shit. 40 minutes in, we’re still talking about Hillary’s emails. There’s some chance licking pavement is more politically relevant.

  18. I also agree. There is no communication as to what is going on when, or when something will be delayed. A better system needs to be devised.

  19. I am for the peoples party but first we need to changed the electoral college or get rid of it if we do not the people party has no chances.

  20. That Clinton interview Jimmy did is, quite simply, the best piece of political comedy to be produced in the past decade.

  23. there should be some way for us paying customers to know whats going on with this show.
    every week its a new struggle to know if this show is going to air, and if its going to be uploaded in time to watch in on THU

    2. TYT is big enough now to put out a tv guide kind of thing for every show on Monday mornings. I get SUPER upset about old school- it’s literally the only reason I keep I membership and it’s never there when it should be and popping up when it shouldn’t be. Sometimes they’re fucking new people?!

    3. I totally agree, but I just wait and watch it the next morning on TYT with my coffee. I would prefer it live but I will take what I can get <3

  24. Michael Ian Black is a Dem establishment shill; looking at his Twitter feed, he is a ‘blue no matter who’ POS. Idiot.

  26. I like Nick, he’s a charming guy, but I don’t trust him. His idea seems to have contradictions, or he is just afraid to say in any bold way something that contradicts Jimmy’s characterization of what he is doing, for fear of losing support in his latest move. I can’t read his mind, but what he is doing seems self serving. Which is a shame, because I like the way Jimmy describes it. There should be an organization, not there to take any spotlight (at least not from day one), that acts to get all the progressive third parties and groups to talk to each other and work together more often than not. I imagine that is already there to some extent, but it doesn’t hurt to improve in that area. It is the only way to break down the egos that keep the third parties separate.

    1. To clarify, when I say “don’t trust”, “self serving”, I am not using those words the way I would against an establishment democrat. I mean it to a far more mild extent. Like I really do think he is trying to do something good, but it is in a way that may just be as likely to be a good influence as a bad one. Anyway I don’t want to attack it too much, just maybe caution a bit, but if the result is as stated, that all progressive third party actors work together more effectively, I couldn’t be happier, so I wish him luck on that result.

      1. I think Nick is 90% on the money. Like the way Jimmy words what Nick is doing is what I like. Nick talking about his own idea though is less compelling, he throws on qualifiers and redirections, sounds like how a politician speaks to someone who isn’t in line with them politically but still wants to get their vote.
        I might agree with Nick in the end, but his initial approach is somewhere between naive and selfish, and part of him thinks so too because he won’t state his intentions clearly. He wants to create a party that eats up the other parties on the left under an umbrella. Not a new coalition, a new party. I am not against that as an end game, but that’s not a starting point, it is a conclusion. In Jimmy’s other interview with him earlier this week, many of the comments made the following point: you show up, and before you even build a bridge, you’re telling us to join you, even though we’re the ones who did the necessary work to get to this point. You want to leap frog us and leave us behind. For someone who wants to bridge gaps, that’s not showing a lot of gap bridging ability. I’m saying build the bridges first, and get that win, and then build on that by rallying groups together into a party, if at that point everyone agrees to the logic behind it. (In Canada, for example, only after the right consolidated into one party and stopped splitting the vote, did they end up in power for almost 10 years, despite the left always winning if you added up the left parties but losing overall because they had multiple parties).
        So why is he saying create party first, and bring people in after the fact? Well there’s a ton less friction there. You are first and foremost your own entity as opposed to serving others. You feel like you’re getting more done in a lot less time. However, all you’re really doing is cutting out your slice of the pie. Fine up until election day, where the vote gets split. And third parties continue to be a side show that don’t have a chance of winning. So while Nick’s pitch which sounds great is ostensibly let’s bring everyone together, his tactics inevitably will result in creating one more choice and splitting the vote, particularly because his initial approach of starting a new party will make other parties react to him like he is a force to oppose instead of one that really is serving their interests.
        Here’s a tech parallel to what is happening here: https://xkcd.com/927/
        How about a challenge: if Nick really wanted to serve existing parties on the left, you should hear him go out of his way to sing the praises of the greens or one of the two other major socialist parties (sorry for forgetting what they’re called by name, I think maybe SP and SWP?), as Jimmy has done in the past. But I don’t think Nick is an advocate. He won’t say a nice thing about any existing party or association if it isn’t directly for the purposes of bolstering his own new party. Or conversely, if his impact will be behind the scenes (which isn’t how he’s been pitching it, since it sounds like he is in fundraising mode), here’s another way I’ll admit I’m wrong: if any existing left parties praise his initiative for building bridges that bring them closer together. That’s in part what he is saying at least, let’s see if he delivers.
        I mean another possibility is he is simply ineffective and disappear, and there’s a possibility I could still be wrong if that’s the case, but let’s say for the sake of my challenge that he is a great success.
        And yeah my challenge isn’t to you, it is rhetorical.
        Finally, and I realize at this point with as much as I wrote, no one will read this, but I guess it is therapeutic to just finish off: this is what I recommend, Nick aside. Green party has the best shot in current polls. Probably most people who voted for Bernie agree with their policies a lot more than the Dems. But, while “green” issues are important, calling themselves the green party in the US has a certain stigma of them being a single issue party and not really mature enough to run a whole country. They can use a rebranding. So, take a smaller party who is perfectly in line with the green party, merge with them, giving some platform concessions that you probably agree with anyway just so they save face, and use the opportunity of the merger to rebrand yourself with a new name, one that you can be sure will be well received. Certainly not “a People’s Party”. Wow, I will not let up against Nick. I’m harsh.

      2. Here’s the single accomplishment I’d love to see out of the parties on the left: if they agree that they’re over 90% in line with one another on policy, and so the differences between them are minute compared to the differences between them and the two main parties, then they should enter into an agreement: have a primary amongst themselves, with a similar timeline to the democratic/republican primaries. Which implies their leader selection process within their own party should occur a bit earlier. Non presidential primaries should also take place, so that realistically the fabric of the selected candidates are a composition of more than just greens if they aren’t an order of magnitude more popular. But key is this: after this point, all the parties work together, pooling their resources and acting as a single unit. We’re not asking them to throw away their individual identity. They’ll get another shot next election season to make their case, and if they have any impact, some of their candidates will have a shot. But don’t wait until the general election to split the vote. Do it ahead of time.

  27. I was over Bernie the moment* when he endorsed his opponent, corrupt corporate whore-for-cash, (war monger, etc. etc. etc.) Hilariously Rotten Clinton, WHILE HE WAS STILL RUNNING AGAINST HER. While primaries were still going on. I haven’t given a good god DAMN about anything he’s said or done since that moment.

    *It was actually a couple moments later, in that I first had to double-check and make sure my ears were not deceiving me. A reporter asked him, “if Hillary Clinton becomes the nominee, will you support her,” and he replied in the affirmative. I initially screamed “WHAT?!?!?!?!??!?!” at my TV set, and the sat back in disbelief. Remember in “Braveheart” when William Wallace realized the man he was fighting, who’d been sitting a horse next to King Henry the Long Shanks, when he pulled off his helmet, was none other than Robert, Earl of Bruce? That’s how I felt in that moment. I’d thought all that time that he was an INDEPENDENT, running as a Democrat because he knew that over half the COUNTRY wanted what the so-called “Democratic” (hahaha) Party had been for years promising them, and he, unlike them, would and could actually deliver what we’re realizing today they have NO INTENTION of delivering, and also to prevent the Democrats from running some goddamned fucking liar, someone who would PROMISE what he was willing to promise, but not mean it, whom he’d ALSO have to defeat as an independent. I expected if he were defeated, for him to carry ON, as an independent, and pull all the disaffected voters with him.

    Then he said, “yes, uh, if she’s nominated, I will, uh, yes support her,” or “vote for her” or whatever, words to that effect.

    I felt betrayed. I felt lied to. I felt ripped off. I felt depressed. I realized that once again, AGAIN, I was proven right.

    Many, MANY years ago, I predicted who would win the 1996, the 2000, the 2004, the 2008, the 2012, AND the 2016 elections, sometime around 1994. I feel like I can predict, sadly, the outcome of the 2020 election, RIGHT FUCKING NOW. Are you ready to know who will be elected President of the United States of America in November 2020**?

    It will be either the nominee of the Republican Party, or the so-called, “Democratic” (hahaha) Party.

    I wish this weren’t so. I REALLY, REALLY fucking wish this weren’t so. This is the same person I predicted to win in ’96, in ’00, in ’04, in ’08, in ’12, and again, in ’16. I have been right EVERY GODDAMNED TIME. I wish it were not so. I really wish we could finally break the stranglehold on what is SUPPOSED to be a democracy.***

    ** Assuming there is still multicellular life borne of Earth, still human beings among that life, and that there’s still an “America” for someone to be President of, in any meaningful sense of the word, in that year.

    *** Please don’t argue semantics with me about this being “a republic” and not a “democracy”… look up what the fuck those words mean before trying to argue some technical bullshit with me about the alleged differences. Either way, in America, political power is handed for limited periods of time by people CHOSEN (or at least that’s how it’s supposed to happen,) by the PEOPLE of the United States, from whom the just power of a government to govern arises. The term “democracy” means rule by demes, or districts, basically, which, inasmuch as was put on stark display in 2016, when electors TRIED, in a few cases, to do the right thing, the thing that is the reason we even HAVE electors, (rather than just taking the results of the popular vote and making THEM the deciding factor,) and the state authorities either REPLACED them, or forced them to change their votes, in the clearest, and most obvious subversion of how the system was supposed to work in the first place, that there could or has ever been, when the true nature of our supposèd democracy was put on display for all to see. The popular vote not only doesn’t matter, but it turns out that even WITHIN a state, the GOVERNMENT of the state chooses who gets elected, which begs the question why we even bother with the electoral college at all. Notice how people SCREAMED about that for 30 seconds, then went right back into a fugue state of societal fucking amnesia about this issue?

    To me, the whole point of HAVING electors was that NO ONE, not even the people could be trusted, or counted upon, to make that decision. The point of electing people to elect people, was, I thought, to take the authority of the people, and use it to pick someone who would, along with other people, men (or women, in theory though at the time, obviously, there would be few to none chosen,) of integrity and wisdom, who would sacrifice a week or so of their time to go to their state capitols and all PICK whom their state would vote for, for President and Vice President. NOW we have this subverted, perverted, logically inverted version of the system where the people are choosing directly whom they want to win, and then that decision being used to choose which electOR would actually be chosen, who in turn would do only and exactly what the PEOPLE wanted, and as we saw, when they DIDN’T, the state governments’ election authorities overrode them. Again, this begs the question: why bother with this system? The Electoral College is a safety interlock that has been defeated, and America has been running without it, for, it seems, better than 200 years. Largely this seems to have been fine… (in retrospect, at least,) until NOW. Now it’s resulted in… this. Who thinks, (who thinks,) this is running properly? Of the people who think, who among us believes this is how things are supposed to be? And who thinks things can go on like this any longer without risking catastrophic collapse, and a system-wide failure, resulting in anarchy the likes of which make 1968 look like a fucking slap-fight between a pair of small children?

    We don’t need to reform the so-called “Democratic” (hahaha) Party. We need to replace it outright. We don’t need ‘another third party’. We need a new FIRST PARTY. We need to give ALL the independents, (like me,) of a progressive bent, and all the moderate/centrist voters who have awakened to the situation in which “both” of the “two” political parties, the “two” so-called “major” political parties, and to conservatives who’ve realized their party’s gone completely insane, a place to GO. A place where their votes will count, and their voices will be heard. People have started to realize that the “two” … “main”… political parties, (which I’d say are like a hydra, but with two heads sharing, secretly, a single body,) have been usurped and now ONLY support the super-rich, the giant, monstrous, often-multi-national corporations, including those of the “military industrial complex,” and trick people into voting for them by every trick, lie, deceit, manipulation, etc., they can imagine, to continue things in the direction we’ve been going.

    We are, I think, all really fed up with this, and it will take vision, imagination, and courage to vote only for people who have neither a “(R)” nor a “(D)” after their names, under any circumstances, and do so in sufficient numbers to matter. Until we do that, expect to see history repeat itself over and over and over and over and… well, you get the idea.

    I hereby declare that I am taking the “NORoD” pledge. I shall vote for NO (R) or (D), ever again. These “parties” are obsolete, and anyone who wants MY vote must first renounce and denounce the Republican and Democratic Party (or the “Republican Party” and the “Democratic Party” if you like,) and the evil and lies they stand for and employ to hold onto power in this country.

    Do you NORoD?

    1. Well – I happen to know of a person who wants to run for President who could be very interesting, because he is NOT like the establishment as it is is, he knows our monetary system, he knows that privatized things like defense and federal prisons should NOT be privatized and ‘for profit’ but under PUBLIC CONTROL, and so on. He would – at the very LEAST – get some information out there to the 99% that is NOT like the lies and propaganda we have had for decades. And he was a bigwig in a Wall Street finance company but because he tells more TRUTH, mainstream does not like having him on their shows, LOL.
      I am not Republican, but it would be most interesting to have a somewhat anti-establishment Republican running. He is more ‘left’ than most or ALL in Congress right now, because he knows we CAN HAVE healthcare for all, and a GOOD federal Job Guarantee, and so on.
      So – you never know, these ARE historic times with a historic level of anger after decades of the country being run by pathologically greedy money addicts and sociopaths. It would be KARMA if the Republican party got a somewhat ‘lefty’ type in, wouldn’t it? LMAO Or, as I said, even if he RUNS and people hear his ideas and knowledge, it would be another huge shift. (If you want to also learn our monetary system, and that our federal govt can issue money with almost NO CONSTRAINTS – contrary to the lies that the greedy bastards have told us for decades to DUPE us and provide a smokescreen for THEM using our country’s money to enrich themselves and their buddies – please check out the youtube channel Deficit Owls, professors of economics trying to educate the public about the reality. For instance, we do NOT have a ‘debt’, it is our NATIONAL SAVINGS ACCOUNT. The deficit is NOT a bad or scary thing, and should be bigger in bad economic times. And so on. They are FAR nicer than I am, and they say perhaps the politicians just ‘do not know’; I say the lying bastards have known since 1971 when we went off the gold standard, and have pushed privatization for their own benefit, because privatization allows the people running any privatized system to BILL THE FEDERAL GOVT ANY AMOUNT, providing massive exec salaries and BILLIONS in profits. That is why they want to privatize EVERYTHING.

      1. Why the fuck did you talk about some theoretical Republican person you want to run in 2020 and not even mention his name?

      1. I don’t think these people get what being a public servant actually entails. Sanders seems to be one of the few politicians with a modicum of integrity, so it’s understandable that he chose the path he felt was right to minimize the greater damage to progress brought on by a Trump win. A responsible and empathetic representative should not be eager to accelerate the scenario we now find ourselves in, where millions of people have to live with the disastrous consequences of the health, tax, environmental, and foreign policy platforms implemented by the Trump administration and the current Republican party.

        He wanted to move the country forward, and he wasn’t petty and irresponsible enough to shrug his shoulders and wipe off his hands after losing in light of the prospect of the nation going three steps backward. I wish he had won, but I’m not going to denigrate the guy for acting like an adult, picking himself up after a loss, and putting people’s well-being above his own presidential ambitions. If your crappy house needs to be remodeled you set to work getting materials, hiring an architect, and finding a good contractor…you don’t torch the place to the ground with people still inside and call that the ethical position.

  29. Can TYT pay Jimmy to read all of there promos? I’ve listened to the Black Friday promo five times now, because I think it’s so funny and well-read. Bravo Jimmy .

  30. Stephen Colbert makes me so sad.
    I use to love his Comedy Central show, then he went to Late Night and sold his soul.

    Jon Stewart makes me sad too.
    When he left the Daily Show, the biting satire & truth to power voice left with him.
    Trevor Noah is a pretty, Corporate-pet fluff bunny.

    Bill Maher is tired & lazy.
    To see the comedian who spoke out after 911 on Politically Incorrect, and was fired, become a shill for the SAME media elites now? It’s so depressing.

    Thank the gods for Jimmy & Lee Camp.

    1. get the fuck over yourself dude. None of these people ever sold out. They just changed jobs.

      The fact that you even brought up Bill Maher … the crazed racist on HBO… yeah he was always racist scum. The fact you didn’t see that back then … really speaks to your character

    2. From the beginning they have all been working inside the corporate media environment, where you can only be as progressive (or as biting, or as satirical) as those corporations and their advertisers will tolerate.

      Ten years ago, that part wasn’t really clear to me either. With the benefit of hindsight, I would have preferred to never have watched Colbert, Stewart, Maher, or any of those flunkies, but rather have watched the independent alternatives from the beginning (who were saying similar things, ten years ago, but saying it better and with more conviction).

  31. Oooo, I love me some Malcolm! He needs to be on when there’s no Steve, which is almost always.

    I don’t know why there can’t be more parties in America.
    If you had other parties debating during the primaries, then maybe we could actually get some real differences in the candidates. As it stands, the only difference btw Republicans & Democrats is that one party is SUPPOSE to be pro-choice. That’s it. Both are pro-war, both are pro-Corporations, both are anti-worker, both are also anti-environment & pro-bank.

    Bernie is lying to himself if he thinks the DNC-Clintoncrats will EVER change.

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