Dave Koller is joined by TYT Politics reporter Jordan Chariton to discuss the story in Buffalo he will be focusing on. Jordan talks about the “inside sources” he has at environmental agencies and exposing Joe Biden’s voting records.
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The appropriate technique for water testing depends on what you want to know. EPA and state regulators are constrained in what they can do by their authorizing regulations and legislation. Their testing is oriented toward informing what they are authorized and funded to do. Almost always, they are limited to what is present outside the home or building as it affects exposures experienced by the occupants. The authorizing legislation has generally concerned what outside parties, whether governmental or private, have inflicted on the building and its occupants, while things done by or on behalf of the building owner, such as internal plumbing, are the responsibility of the building owner. Congress has generally not been willing to accept responsibility for costs of fixing things within the scope of what the building owner has to do. For example, if lead is generated from solder joints inside the building or other sources of lead, then it has generally been the responsibility of the owner to fix it. Possible exceptions are lead paint and asbestos abatement requirements that MAY have programs that will assist some building owners, such as hospitals and schools and possibly some lower-income residents. I don’t know about these specific matters. I am a technical person, not a lawyer, and have not been involved in the question of who pays in these matters.
Further, the scope of a study with its funding will commonly be limited to addressing a specific issue, particularly if funded by a “responsible party” paying to clean up what some entity linked to the “responsible party” has created, whether a direct ancestor of the current “responsible party” or an entity acquired by purchase that transfers liability to the purchaser. In this case, the “responsible party” is only responsible for what was caused by the entity linked to that “responsible party”. If characterization of a site determines that another party separately contaminated the site, then the “responsible party” will only be liable to cleanup what it is responsible for. In industrial areas with interlocking groundwater contamination plumes, there can be a great difficulty in determining which is (are) the responsible parties at a particular location. There can also be a case of sequential occupation where a predecessor may have contaminated the site rather than the more recent occupant and also the case where a natural background level is present of inorganic components like lead or other metals. In western Kentucky, in what is called the “Lead-zinc district”, background levels of lead in the soil often exceed the EPA definition of hazardous waste.
When an EPA cleanup is authorized, say for a former lead-acid battery recyling operation, the site is first studied to determine what area is impacted by that operation. As part of that, total levels of contamination in the soils will be determined and if it can be authorized, the area potentially affected by the former operation is evaluated and the soils that could affect occupants of the land will be removed or covered with clean soil sufficient to limit future exposures to occupants of that land. Groundwater will also be evaluated for plumes related to the former facility operations, as well as soil gas issues that could cause vapor intrusion into buildings. However, generally anything not a result of the former facility or natural background and that is a result of actions of the off-site or post-facility building owners is not covered. If these building owners caused some of their own problems, that part is not generally covered by the funded remediation because it is generally not authorized by the enabling legislation.
I looked at from the perspective of the occupants of the buildings, they want to know their actual exposure, regardless of source. While this is legitimate, there is a need to determine the funding source for this. If the property owner is willing to fund this, say a public school district evaluating its schools, there is no problem getting such a study done. However, if the affected property owner(s) is(are) unable or unwilling to provide the extra money unless forced to do so or provided with the money, then you may have cases like you have mentioned where the state or federal agencies limit their study and remediation efforts to what they are authorized and funded to do and sample in a manner to determine what the outside of the buildings is doing to the insides and avoid sampling in a manner where the effects of inside contributions can not be distinguished from the contributions from outside.
The relative contributions of inside and outside also affect the approaches required for remediation. To take large-scale remediations of effects caused by a former facility, say soil contamination due to dust releases or other release mechanisms, you need to sample in a manner that is not confused by contributions added by the property owners. Otherwise you could get a complex messy map of contamination that has hot spots caused by the superposition of property owner contributions on top of the broader contamination from the facility. If you have sufficient funding and authorization to pursue the building occupants’ concerns about their total exposure, then you also can sample in a manner to discover additional contamination caused by features within the building.
Limiting my final comments to the water supply line issues, generally things like outside soil or groundwater contamination should not affect these. Water supply lines are pressurized and so should only become contaminated by sources outside the lines by a water line break. In those cases, the concern is primarily bacteriological and lines are flushed after fixing and monitored for bacteria. When flushed for that, it should also be flushed for the other constituents. The next issues are supply lines belonging to the utility that may supply lead vs. those belonging to the building. To evaluate the water supplied through the utility lines, you DO want to flush the plumbing long enough to eliminate the effects of the lines within the buildings and you measure cold water so you do not measure effects do to dirty hot water tank or its solder connections. This is commonly what is done because the study is paid for by the utility and is assessing what the utility has contributed to the problem. In Flint, where line corrosion was caused by the utility, there is also justification for evaluating what the building plumbing has contributed to the total contamination because the water corrosiveness may have degraded the building plumbing without necessary fault of the building owner. Handling who pays for what is a matter for politicians and lawyers to figure out as even without corrosive water, building plumbing may have been contributing to the total contamination.
As a final comment on water sampling, if the issue is what the occupants of the actual building receive as exposure, you could properly sample the cold water faucet immediately, rather than waiting for a flush, though you should also take a sample after a flush so you can distinguish between internal and external sources of contamination. The immediate sample will be an overestimate because generally people will draw enough water for cooking or other uses to include some flushed water too. I generally do not support sampling hot water as this is rarely directly used for cooking or drinking and when used for washing or bathing is not ingested by the occupants. The lead contamination of water used for bathing does not have much access to the body as it is not absorbed through the skin or breathed into the lungs, while very little is swallowed. I am not an epidemiologist, so if you find professional studies showing exposure during bathing, I will defer to them. I particularly do not support sampling the drain faucet of a hot water tank as the purpose of this faucet is to allow draining the accumulated sludge out of the bottom of hot water tank as a regular maintenance procedure (which almost no-one ever does). The reason the homeowner exclaimed in horror in your video when she saw the dark water come out of her hot water heater during your sampling is because she had never seen this dark water before. It did not come out of her shower that way. It was the stagnant water that was bypassed in the hot water tank when cold water exits the bottom of its drop tube within the tank and heats as it rises to the hot water discharge at the top of the tank. The stagnant water at the bottom accumulates the sediment from the water supply line, with some lead adsorbing to the particles settling through the stagnant water. Properly flush the tank to remove the stagnant, sediment laden water using this value and then you will see a marked drop in lead levels in the water in the bottom of the tank. More appropriately, if you are concerned about what an occupant would experience during a shower, sample at the shower. You can also include equipment to sample vapors if you are concerned about that. However, you should consult with NIOSH about exposure pathways when evaluating the significance of your findings.
The Young Turks have just screwed themselves.
This video with Jordan was just posted on Wednesday, November 15, 2017.
The false allegations went public on Thursday, November 16, 2017.
We learn that The Young Turks promised to do an independent investigation on Friday, November 17, 2017.
And on Monday, November 20, 2017, we learn that The Young Turks FIRED Jordan on that same day of Friday, November 17, 2017…WITHOUT doing the investigation AT ALL.
Are You Serious???
Don’t you realize that ALL of you are a target for challenging the establishment this strongly???
You think it’s gonna STOP with false allegations on Jordan Chariton???
There are people out there waiting to take YOU ALL down!
I already read a tweet in from a guy who currently goes by the name ‘Bernie Wan Kenobi’ @Old_Bern_Kenobi who says he started his channel RevolutionGPS just to take Jordan down. And he’s aiming for Kyle Kulinski & Cenk Uygur NEXT.
Read it for yourselves. It was posted on Saturday, November 18, 2017 at 9:25PM.
https://twitter.com/Old_Bern_Kenobi/status/932117583301447680
“I understand we have a difference of opinion on this story, but trust me: Jordan is a piece of garbage. I started @RevolutionGPS_ just to take Jordan down because he is a toxic element within our movement. If someone else does it, that makes my life a lot easier. Next Kyle & Cenk”
Some more tweets from this guy showing that this is ALL part of a major campaign to destroy TYT.
Since I can’t put multiple links in these comments, I’ll just write down the comment & the date so people can search it for themselves.
Monday, November 20, 2017 at 5:08PM
“Remember: I told you in May your career was over, douchebag. Don’t cross real progressive journalists, Fox News’ boy.”
This Bernie Wan Kenobi/RevolutionGPS guy had the following tweet embedded within the preceding tweet.
Saturday, May 13, 2017 at 9:52PM
“This is the only video of yours I will remember, Jordan. Remember this avatar after your career is over.”
There was a YouTube link in the tweet but the video is a dead link now.
But look at the interesting coincidence I found with this guy’s May tweet & the tweets going on now in November.
The May tweet was a reply to Jordan’s Wednesday May 10, 2017 3:11 PM tweet talking about the Dakota Access Pipeline with a TYT Politics video accompanying it.
“I said REMEMBER this video of mine when #DAPL first leaks. Strong evidence they were drilling w/ out permit #NoDAPL”
The Jordan scandal breaks just as soon as this major Dakota Access Pipeline leak happens.
Interesting coincidence.
It seems that the DAPL thing is what eventually led to the split of Wes Clark Jr. & TYT as well.
Wes was never the same after going to DAPL protests & this also led to TYT ally Michael A. Wood Jr.’s estrangement from TYT.
Both said that major psyops were going on at those protests that were intended to create paranoia & dissension amongst the protesters.
It’s something I have been noticing online all year long against TYT since after the election.
LOTS of campaigning going on & not just from the predictable sources. All kinds of unusual angles.
I really felt that with all the calls for Jordan & Jimmy Dore to split with TYT amongst other things, somebody was trying to destroy TYT as a media outlet & a force for the Progressive Agenda.
Somebody is seriously trying to break up the Turks.
It’s an INFORMATION WAR going on right now. I know that for SURE.
Here’s another tweet from Bernie Wan Kenobi @Old_Bern_Kenobi that signals this.
From Monday, November 20, 2017 8:33PM.
“Mark my words: TYT is going down. It will be the $20 million they took from Jeffery Katzenberg and Alan Patricof that ruins them. That money is to TYT what a loan from the World Bank is to a third world country. TYT are controlled opposition sheepdogs for the Dem establishment.”
A frenzy has been going on against TYT due to this campaigning & lots of well-meaning people have been getting sucked into it.
robertjordan18 has been a member of this place for YEARS & now he distrusts TYT IMMENSELY.
It’s the same kind of thing that broke up those movements in the 1960s.
Infiltrators & psychological/information warfare that destroyed & dismantled revolutionary groups.
It’s the same kind of thing that ruined The ORIGINAL Young Turks.
Paranoia & distrust that split a unified force into factions that self-destructed & disgraced the original mission of the organization.
Leading to atrocities which stain the name of “The Young Turks” to this day. Yes, the Genocides.
So knowing all this, I understood what was going when Jordan got that smear job, that character assassination.
I understand it well because I know what happened to Michael Jackson in 1993.
That’s what taught me ALL ABOUT Media & its dangers.
What better way to chip away at TYT than to use the frenzy of #metoo to shut down one of its strongest voices.
#BelieveWomen is nonsense. The hashtag should be #BelieveEvidence.
Just because somebody says something doesn’t make it a fact.
That’s why we got rid of witchhunt from Salem, Massachusettes with the standard of Innocent Until Proven Guilty. And that’s NOT just a legal standard either.
It’s a LOGICAL standard for anybody who’s interested in finding the TRUTH.
The evidence has already been provided.
The accuser made up the story.
It’s all captured in a text conversation between Zee Cohen & Jordan Chariton himself.
Carly Hammond the accuser made up the story & those who had an axe to grind or a campaign to execute piled on the bandwagon to take Jordan down & ruin his career.
But do you REALLY think it’s gonna stop with just Jordan???
You are challenging Dianne Feinstein with Wolf-PAC’s Alison Hartson through the Justice Democrats.
You are primarying many entrenched Establishment Democrats with that organization.
TYT is at the crossroads as a media organization.
It’s the Underdog compared to the CNN’s of the world.
But it’s the Overdog in the Internet World.
The Little Fish in a Big Pond yet the Big Fish in a Little Pond.
And there are those who don’t want TYT to become a Bigger Fish in that Big Pond.
Cenk, THEY’RE COMING FOR YOUR ASS, Man!
YOU will be the next recipient of the #metoo campaign.
KYLE will be the next recipient of the #metoo campaign.
And when they smear you guys, the Justice Democrats will be ruined.
When they smear you guys, The Young Turks will be ruined.
They’re coming for Jimmy Dore. They’re coming for EVERYBODY associated with the TYT Network.
It’s no longer gonna be just mere trolls throwing out silly words in YouTube comments.
They’re gonna try to Ruin Your LIVES.
And like Michael Jackson if you survive it somehow, they will END your lives.
So you have just made the biggest mistake of your life by firing Jordan Chariton.
You did not stand by your people when the going got rough.
You did not let him clear his name.
And because of that, now the infiltrators will tear this place apart.
You lost your UNITY. And therefore, you will be DIVIDED & CONQUERED.
I really thought THIS Young Turks could avoid the mistakes of the Original Young Turks.
But history repeats. I guess there’s a spirit in the name.
You carry the name, you carry its legacy. Even if that legacy is ruinous.
Sad to see it happen.
I really liked this company.
Too bad you all didn’t take heed of the Revolutionary lessons of the past.
Never let the CHAOS break down your Cohesion.
Stay UNITED as you tear down the Old Order.
Prepare yourselves for the Domino Effect.
The smear campaigns have just begun.
John Lucas
This is very disconcerting…
I’m hoping TYT cut him loose to shore up liability since they are a small company, not the best but a common hands off approach. I agree wholeheartedly that this looks bad and if they don’t pipe up about it soon, it’ll get out of control. The house is on fire and we need TYT to be beyond reproach, we need you to fix your face.
@sumtinsumtin TYT CREATED liability by cutting Jordan loose.
The only thing this company has to keep it intact is its UNITY & TRUST from its audience.
Start screwing with those & this place falls like a house of cards.
I read in a Reddit forum somewhere (“WayOfTheBern”?) or maybe right here in the TYT comment section of November 20, 2017 that said Cenk is a fool if he thinks he’ll get someone to stick their neck out muckraking/investigating for TYT now.
If the company won’t back up a reporter digging up stuff on a powerful interest, what incentive does that reporter get from digging for the story?
In my opinion, if a little smear campaign is enough to make TYT take its toes out of the water, then they are not equipped to take on the powerful.
I guaranTEE you they’re gonna strike at Cenk before this is all said & done.
And he’s an EASIER target now that he’s made this move.
He could have weathered it if he stuck by his staff.
Now? Hahahahahahaha! He’s gonna be like shooting fish in a barrel.
I hope he’s ready for it. Nah. Nobody’s ever ready for stuff like this.
But he’ll realize the mistake he’s made soon enough.
He’ll learn EXACTLY how Michael Jackson felt, the one Cenk always believed was guilty of pedophilia.
John Lucas
John Lucas have you changed your mind since posting this? Cmon man. I appreciate your dedication and your knowledge on everything, and I loved jordans dedication and hard work and all the great work he has done; but I mean seriously… he was running a whole company on TyTs dime without TyT knowing about it. That’s basically stealing from tyt. So even if all the shit with the orgy or whatever, even if it never happened, all of that aside, he was abusing his position with TYT and taking advantage of TYT and basically stealing from TYT. That’s how you get fired and he’s lucky TYT still likes him because they could possibly get him arrested or sue him or whatever. So he should have taken the chance they gave him to resign AND get a severance???? That’s like you being a great boyfriend in every way but you’re also cheating the whole relationship and stole money from her, and when she finds out, she offers to let you leave and she will give you more money but instead you say no so she just breaks up with you and you decide to sue her. That’s nutz. He was crazy to not take the severance offer. I hope he doesn’t get in trouble with the law because it seems like bullshit but with the details he left out about the girl he was talking about actually working for him, who knows what else he is leaving out, so he could get in serious trouble, I hope not because I liked the work he did, but if he did something bad he should be punished, if he’s innocent I hope he is proven to be innocent. Either way it seems like TyT had a good reporter that took advantage of them and they still tried to be good to him after he could have fucked them bad. TyT is great for how they’re handling everything in my opinion. Yes you’re right, they are making enemies in high places because they want what’s right for everyone and evil rich people want to stop it, but you can’t let someone steal money from your company for their own gain even if they’re a good reporter for you. ,I’m sure there’s more to all of this that we will never know, but from what I’ve seen, Jordan left out a very important detail that the woman was working for him and he was stealing from TYT. Tyt still tried to be good to him in the end.
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@DannyBEADS No, I have not.
I haven’t posted on TYT Network since November 21st or so.
I was so upset & angry at Cenk & Management for this boneheaded decision plus also having a work schedule that makes it hard to post the heavy thoughts I have on this subject.
I finally have some time off & am better able to focus my thoughts so I’ll reply to you now.
Cenk & Management fired Jordan Chariton to SAVE FACE.
Cenk is TOTALLY bullshitting everybody with the nonsense about Truth Against The Machine.
Truth Against The Machine HAS ALWAYS BEEN a secret underground TYT project.
Truth Against The Machine was co-founded by Jordan Chariton & Zee Cohen in February 2017.
Who the hell is Zee Cohen?
Zee Cohen was a one time English as Second Language Tutor & Adjunct Professor who became a Director of Canvassing in the 2016 Bernie Sanders campaign between February & March of 2016.
She also did political party activity for some outfit called ‘Flux’ in Australia between April & July of 2016.
Her activities in these political campaigns is what naturally led her to getting involved with The Young Turks.
She joined TYT in January 2017 as an Intern Field Producer & held that position through May 2017.
An Intern Field Producer means a TYT Politics Producer. FIELD. OUTSIDE. ON-THE-ROAD.
Which means she worked with Jordan as well as the new hires of the Watchers on the Wall campaign.
She became a Web Publisher for TYT starting in May 2017 ending in August 2017.
And her duties included posting videos with grabby headlines on YouTube; maintaining presence on social media platforms like Facebook, Twitter, & Reddit; creating & maintaining a calendar for TYT Politics journalist team; established colloborations with other progressive organizations; vetting tips & stories from fans & other sources.
She was the one who organized TYT’s Town Hall in Flint, Michigan that Jordan hosted.
So let me reiterate.
Zee Cohen who has been hired by TYT in January 2017 co-founded Truth Against The Machine with Jordan in February 2017…
…ALL WHILE STILL BEING SIMULTANEOUSLY EMPLOYED BY TYT THE ENTIRE TIME.
Truth Against The Machine was to function as a quasi-independent extension to TYT Politics ALL ALONG.
TYT KNEW about TATM from DAY ONE.
There is no such thing as Jordan running TATM on TYT’s dime because TYT’s dime CREATED TATM.
I break down the connection between The Young Turks & Truth Against The Machine in this comment I made on the Hour 2 November 20, 2017 episode.
https://tytnetwork.com/2017/11/20/tyt-hour-2-november-20-2017-3/#comment-162524
The Young Turks have USED Truth Against The Machine footage in their reports.
NOT JUST the core TYT BUT ALSO members of the TYT Network like Jeff Waldorf of TYT Nation & Farron Cousins of The Ring of Fire, a TYT associate.
I prominently remember them using Truth Against The Machine’s report about Phil Stair, a Flint official who used the N-slur about Blacks not paying their water bill as the reason for the lead poisoning.
It’s right here in the archives. Hour 2, June 5, 2017.
The YouTube title of this piece is called “Flint Official Caught On Tape Using N-Word”
TYT Nation & The Ring of Fire reported this story all about the same time.
June 6, 2017 for TYT Nation. June 5, 2017 for The Ring of Fire.
The original Truth Against The Machine posting of this story was June 4, 2017.
And see that was the brilliance of the Truth Against The Machine strategy.
With Internet News we tend to focus more on the national stories totally overlooking the local stories.
Since getting rid of Cable TV in 2010 & not even bothering to get a converter box to pick up the digital signal, I tend to find myself totally plugged in to national news while being TOTALLY blind to local happenings.
I’m also one of the oddities who doesn’t have a cellphone & doesn’t want one.
In 2016, I had no idea a hurricane was coming because I was that out of the loop with local news.
Local TV & local newspapers control the narrative in towns & cities.
So if Internet was REALLY trying to replace TV as the main source for information, it would have to have a local component that disrupts the narrative set by the established media.
Truth Against The Machine’s citizen journalism was just what TYT needed to really become a force in news & information. Which naturally shapes the politics of a region & therefore a nation.
TYT practices the Unseen Hand Principle that most major media organizations use.
Quasi-independent outlets all reporting on the same story or reporting on the ones who report the story.
Seemingly unconnected but in truth all working in tandem to produce a narrative & viewpoint they want to influence the public with.
A video report from broadcast & cable TV which is then analyzed by a print or e-print outlet which is then further broken down in random blogs, forums, & other social media platforms.
Half the people have no idea how widespread TYT Network really is. Even members.
Just go to the Channels tab under The Young Turks’ YouTube page & see what pops up.
You’ll see TYT Network & Friends with channels you have never heard of being part of the Network.
It’s how I found TYT Nation in the FIRST PLACE!
TYT Nation’s never promoted prominently but it’s there in the background furthering the agenda.
TYT Nation was originally a Community channel for the fans until one fan named Jeff Waldorf contributed so heavily that they awarded him the channel in the end.
When Cenk reads the TYT Lives & you hear the name Jeff Waldorf, you’ll now know who he’s talking about.
But you won’t even get the full story from that Channels link.
There’s a LOAD of hidden connections to TYT.
Some you can find by clicking the Channel tabs of other TYT Channels like PopTrigger & Nerd Alert.
Some you only find by accident like typing in “TYT new set” finding an old video of Ana Kasparian showcasing the late 2010-2011 set before they got that Current TV deal on something called “TheTopVlog”.
And only recently did I discover that Jordan Chariton is not really TYT’s first reporter.
That honor goes to a woman named Lauren Windsor who also goes by the stage name Lady Libertine.
She runs a channel called The Undercurrent.
And when I saw her with that TYT microphone in her hand in when I searched the history of that channel as well as the TYT videos labeled “The Undercurrent” from 2012 & 2013…
…I THEN realized WHY it was called The UnderCURRENT when TYT of 2012 & 2013 was part of CURRENT TV.
And guess what else I found looking at this Undercurrent stuff.
The username of The Undercurrent YouTube channel says “TYTInvestigates”.
Well well well. This whole TYT Reporting/Investigating thing is not even a new idea.
Guess what else I found.
In a report from January 11, 2017 called “Trump-Funded Operative CAUGHT Soliciting Illegal Acts to Disrupt Inauguration” (search this title right here in the TYT Search Bar), TYT used a report FROM Lauren Windsor’s The Undercurrent in their reporting to expose James O’Keefe’s Project Veritas.
I wrote a comment in that posting detailing my realization of TYT’s associations because I was so amazed at the hidden friends & allies they have (I also make a conclusion about Michael Hastings & the pause on TYT reporting).
The Undercurrent is now no longer officially associated with TYT (and that is a fairly recent change) but they still work together even all the way into 2017.
The Unseen Hand, like I said.
You dig long enough into TYT’s history & their associations will not surprise you.
I’m STILL discovering how widespread this organization really is & who it’s connected with.
Nothing hard to do either since everything is publicly posted.
It’s just a matter of digging through the lengthy archives & making the logical connections.
TYT is not necessarily an open book but there are many pages left exposed for people to see.
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John Lucas
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@DannyBEADS So with all this known, AIN’T NO GODDAMN WAY The Young Turks were uninvolved or unknowing about Truth Against The Machine.
It was an informal arrangement between the organizations playing upon the Unseen Hand Principle of Media.
Jordan was on-the-road with TYT Politics so Zee Cohen ran the day-to-day operations of TATM.
She was the one probably involved in the hiring process.
Look at the Truth Against The Machine YouTube channel, go to the Videos tab, & click Date Added (Oldest).
You’ll see early on that Zee Cohen is listed on the video title as well as the actual video as Executive Producer.
There is no office for TATM. Everything was most likely done by Skype conversation or text message on phone.
BECAUSE of TATM’s high informality, it was the PERFECT entry point for infiltration.
PERFECT place to disrupt TYT from the inside.
Over the years, TYT has made many enemies—legit as well as not legit.
They made MANY MANY MANY MANY MANY more throughout 2016 as they pushed for Bernie as well as rattled the cages with Jordan’s reporting.
You don’t go into REVOLUTION being naïve. You come after power, power comes after you.
The Young Turks has NEVER been just a media organization. It is also a POLITICAL organization.
It is their popularity with young Internet viewers that prepared that generation for Bernie Sanders.
When they were smaller at their 2010 levels, they could be dismissed offhand.
But they are no longer that little upstart that could. They are legitimately a FORCE in politics & media.
So they should know that things will start getting tougher for them every year they grow larger.
They should know the attacks are coming. Doesn’t matter if they’re lies.
Jordan didn’t abuse his power with TATM reporters.
Who do you think is paying the TATM reporters? Jordan ain’t got no money to pay all these people!
TYT is paying them. They are effectively intern reporters getting paid peanuts.
Jordan had TATM in his Twitter feed since the company started in February.
You don’t think they saw it? Really??
TYT used TATM reporting in their stories much like they did with ANOTHER loosely affiliated TYT associate called The Undercurrent.
TYT has ALWAYS known about TATM because TATM was a Unseen Hand TYT project designed to capture local stories as well as creating a new hiring pool for future TYT Reporters.
The accuser & former TATM reporter Carly Hammond was not raped & was not sexually assaulted.
And it was TATM co-founder Zee Cohen who confirmed that this accusation was a lie.
It’s all captured in a text conversation between Zee Cohen & Jordan Chariton where Zee admitted Carly was lying but was contemplating going along with the lies because she was made that Jordan fired her (Zee).
A Twitter member named Ann2Infinity @Ann2Infinity posted this conversation but has since made her tweets private probably because of all the controversy.
Put Twitter.com before the partial link I post below to know which tweet it was.
/Ann2Infinity/status/931660915233251330
As for superiors & subordinates having sex together?
You will have to shut down TYT as well as every business on Earth if you wanna hold to that standard.
The only issue I’m concerned with is CONSENT.
Did the woman CONSENT? If she CONSENTED, the rest is irrelevant.
The woman is an adult. 21 years old. She’s not a child. She’s a full grown woman.
And sex between adults is grown folks’ business. None of my concern.
Why did I mention TYT in that?
Who is Irina Nichita?
Irina Nichita is one of the EXECUTIVE PRODUCERS of TYT.
That party-favored graphic currently on the top screen talking about TYT’s win at the 7th Annual Streamys in ‘Best In News and Culture’ & ‘Show of the Year Nomination’?
The ones who attended & accepted at that award show was Cenk Uygur, Ana Kasparian, Irina Nichita, & Amir Nikoui.
Amir Nikoui is a PRODUCER at TYT.
Irina Nichita & Amir Nikoui…are FUCKING.
SHE, Irina, is HIS, Amir’s, SUPERIOR.
And yet they’re fucking. And it’s no big deal.
That’s what’s gonna happen when people spend so much time at work together.
If much of your life is on the job, then your job will be where your social life takes place.
I don’t care if Irina is Amir’s Superior. Who gives a damn? They’re grown folks. Adults.
I personally operate on the principle of ‘Don’t Shit Where You Eat’ because if a relationship goes bad, then it makes it harder to operate at the job. Drama nearly always follows & it could ruin your employment.
But I’m not foolish enough to think that everybody will operate on this principle.
They’re human. They get lonely. They have sex drives. They’re in their youth.
Biology is real no matter how much we try to deny it.
Ana picked John Iadarola for TYT University partially because she thought he was hot or cute.
Jordan is on the damn road living in hotels with his home being more of a pit stop than an actual home.
He’s living the nomadic lifestyle as an on-the-road reporter.
So I EXPECT him to get road sex as he does his job like most on-the-road people do.
It’s what traveling pro wrestlers do, it’s what circus performers do, it’s what truckers do, it’s what football players do, it’s what singers do, it’s what comedians do.
Having a orgy with fellow TATM staff is grown folks’ business. Period.
People get lonely on-the-road so I’m not surprised at people who associate with each other doing more than the platonic. The only thing that matters is if the sex was CONSENTUAL.
If all adults agreed to have sex together, then there is no problem.
No, what Cenk & Management did is Panic at the Rape Allegation thrown toward Jordan by Opportunists who Infiltrated TYT through Truth Against The Machine.
Cenk was scared of TYT having this image slapped on the organization so he cut bait like a coward.
He preferred to justify his cowardice by smearing Jordan & TATM.
But he failed to realize that by acting cowardly like that it’s only gonna embolden accusations towards the organization from their various enemies.
UNITY is the only thing keeping this organization together against all the attacks.
Now, watch & see as the enemies tear this place apart.
WAIT until you see what they have in store for Cenk Uygur much less any of the other men associated with the organization.
This kind of thing only works on men. Sex Crime Allegations have no effect on women.
No, I have NOT changed my view on this topic.
TYT has failed Jordan Chariton. They were NOT good to him in the end.
Jordan gave his all for this company. He did NOT take advantage of TYT.
He REPPED TYT to the fullest.
That’s how he got crossed up with H.A. Goodman & those opportunistic associates in the first place.
Cenk & whoever else was involved in this cowardly decision to drop Jordan has most likely doomed the company.
You’ll see what I’m talking as 2018 gets underway.
And once Cenk falls, TYT falls. He is the core of this entire organization.
It simply cannot last without him.
And if TYT falls, where is the Broad Internet Media we need to make sure Bernie Sanders becomes President in 2020?
They have no idea what they have just done.
John Lucas
Sometimes I wonder what you guys are all smoking.
I agree that Paranoia & distrust are the best ways to split up an unified organization – which is exactly what you are doing. Who is “Bernie Wan Kenobi”? Is he relevant? Is it just some weirdo on the internet? I don’t know,
but making accusations left and right is not helping anyone’s cause.
Even if I would grant you that it seems like a strange coincidence that Michael A. Wood and Wes got issues after the DAPL May protests and Jordan’s alleged sexual assault was also in May (strange coincidences do happen tho) – Jordan brought the whole thing onto himself with his childish, but extremely abusive behavior. His own words are enough to justify his termination, but I go further. I do believe Carly Hammond, her story is consistent – Chelsea’s story is weird and things don’t add-up. How can text messages between Zee Cohen (another TATM executive) and Jordan be proof of anything? At least you could’ve linked them here.
No, the truth is, here is a 20 year old woman, believing in TYT, believing in progressive journalism living her dream, until it ended in a nightmare – in sexual assault and psychological torment. The onus is on TYT to vet people they hire and also be consequential – they are to a certain extent. The whole thing is frustrating, yes, but the truth is we can’t run from the fact that a life took a very different turn, a dark one, because of people who could claim at the time they’d represent TYT.
Jordan did a lot of great reporting on the campaign trail, on the DNC e-mail leak, on DAPL and the lead crisis, but he should spent his money on therapy instead of lawsuits to figure out what the hell is wrong with him, to avoid toxic people like Chelsea and reflect on his own actions.
I honestly do believe in second chances, but the TYT train is gone. Maybe he can re-establish himself later, but he has some serious soul searching to do.
We have to be aware of getting targeted by horrible people definitely, but here is how we survive – the only way to survive – we have to stay true to our principles. I already have a problem, if everything ever said is all of the sudden out of the window to land a perfect insult on a right-winger using their own worldview – happens on the main show all the time: cuck, can’t get laid, economic hardships brought onto yourself (not trade deals etc), timelines don’t matter, differences/nuances between different crimes don’t matter, instigator/follower doesn’t matter etc etc etc
In other words, after the election of Trump a lot of people lost their fucking minds – it’s like Tolkien’s Arda marred, the world will never be like it was before – people throw-out their principles like nothing and right comments that drip from paranoia, warning of paranoia…
@vanBronco You want the link? Here’s the link.
https://twitter.com/Ann2Infinity/status/931660915233251330
A Twitter member named Ann2Infinity (@Ann2Infinity) posted this.
It seems like all the controversy made her go private but I think you can still see this tweet in Jordan’s Twitter feed from around the time of the controversy in mid-to-late November.
You take those people lightly at your own peril.
They don’t HAVE to have a big name to do damage.
In fact, it’s probably MORE effective to be a relative unknown.
No one will know to track you or stop you that way.
I posted Ben Wan Kenobi’s (@Old_Bern_Kenobi) tweets to show that this was an unconcealed orchestrated attack. They SAID they would bring him down & when they would do it.
And then he said that Cenk & Kyle are next.
Anybody who’s gotten a whiff of the online scene since the election can easily smell a burning desire to destroy The Young Turks.
The Young Turks themselves are feeding into some of this desire on their own by pumping up that Russia bullshit. Makes it easier for people to turn against them.
It’s not the same usual suspects this time around.
It’s not just the Sam Harris/Dave Rubin groupies or the Alex Jones/assorted Right Wingers set.
It’s not even just the Hillary Freaks & general Neoliberal Sycophants.
A new set of energies is lurking around here plotting to destroy this organization.
The little taste I understand from the 1960s shows me that the movement Bernie Sanders has coalesced has created many unintended consequences with many unknowable enemies or allegiances.
This is what happens in a time of Realignment. All the boundaries are blurring. All the teams are reshuffling.
A new political reality is emerging & many people are still measuring things with the old tools.
It’s why people were surprised by both Bernie AND Trump.
The Turks seem clueless on the scope of these new angles of attack.
Part of that is because they still see themselves as a Little Engine That Could not realizing that the Little Engine Already DID.
They are at the Twilight as they seek to climb to the next level of power challenging the CNNs of the world.
To the CNN’s, they are still the little upstart.
To the Internet, it is THEY who are the Establishment, the Mainstream.
And also before, they were not actively exposing conspiracies from powerful interests first hand.
They were just running their mouths on YouTube.
At best, they could influence people’s views. That’s it.
They were not considered a real threat in 2014. Wolf-PAC was limited still.
But with Jordan doing his muckraking like a real journalist, NOW TYT became a threat.
With TYT being seen as one of the catalysts for Bernie’s rise & Hillary’s fall, NOW TYT became a threat.
What do you think Alex Jones & Infowars bumrushing the TYT set at the RNC was all about really?
Just a publicity stunt? Or was it a show of force letting them know what the future holds?
Ana talks about 2016 being the worst year of her life because of that incident & the public confrontation she had with a stranger on the sidewalk.
Does she REALLY think it’s gonna get any better with something like the Justice Democrats openly challenging power?
Do The Young Turks really think they can just go back to the days of 2014 where they could go on & on messing with Pastor Manning & his Betty Boop/Hairy Chest comments???
Those days are OVER.
And they better get hip REAL quick.
They better come to terms with their status & the potential enemies they face.
The Jordan Accusation was a TEST & TYT Failed that test.
It shows me that these people are not really ready for the Revolution.
And about Carly Hammond?
No, I DON’T believe her.
20 year old? 21 year old? ADULT.
The sex was CONSENSUAL between ADULTS.
And that’s the end of it for me.
I could give a goddamn about workers sleeping with each other.
Jordan Chariton DID NOT Rape & DID NOT Sexually Assault Carly Hammond. PERIOD.
“But he’s her superior & she’s his subordinate”
You better end TYT then because SUPERIOR Irina Nichita the Executive Producer & SUBORDINATE Amir Nikoui the Producer are FUCKING.
Superior Irina has a relationship with her Subordinate Amir.
And who cares? They’re Grown Ass People. Grown Ass ADULTS.
No business on Earth will stand if you try to hold THAT standard.
You might as well end the careers of everybody who commits adultery.
Say goodbye to Morning Joe on MSNBC then. And not just big media shows like that.
You can bet your bottom dollar that this is going on with your favorite website & blog too.
Jordan made the timeless mistake of ‘Shitting Where He Ate’.
It’s a bad idea to ‘Shit Where You Eat’ because the fecal matter contaminates the food.
Mess with co-workers & mess up your job when the relationship goes south.
But that was no reason to fire Jordan ESPECIALLY when the allegation is not proven.
TYT’s PROPER course of action was to let the allegations be investigated against the facts & proven.
Jordan could take a leave of absence until those facts were released either way.
That would have been fine & fair. Especially for all Jordan did for this company.
But instead they panicked & cut bait out of cowardice. Scared of their “image” being ruined.
“Jordan was unprofessional”.
The Young Turks is unprofessional!
That’s it’s whole appeal! It’s not SUPPOSED to be polished like the mainstream networks.
The ‘rough around the edges’ way about this company is what made it successful & Jordan fit right in.
At best TYT is semi-professional. They’re STILL amateurs to this day.
Hence this sloppy website full of errors & incomplete histories.
Truth Against The Machine (which I just explained to DannyBEADS above) was a secret TYT project.
They knew about it from Day One if not Day Zero.
It was to be their hidden feed of reports & reporters (talent pool for TYT Politics) covering local stories that would appear on TYT & its Network affiliates & associates.
Much like TYT-associate Lauren Windsor’s The Undercurrent is today.
Zee Cohen, the other co-founder of TATM with Jordan, worked for TYT FIRST.
But TATM was an informal organization with no office.
Business was most likely conducted by Skype & text conversation on cellphones.
Since Jordan was on-the-road, day-to-day operations were most likely handled by Zee Cohen including the hiring process.
The informality of this organization was a prime opportunity for infiltration & infiltrate they did.
And now they performed the first step in taking down TYT brick by brick.
And Cenk played right into their hands like a dumbass.
Ask Tommie Tyhefe Bayliss WHO IS STILL EMPLOYED by TYT & he’ll confirm Jordan’s & Chelsea Lyons’ telling of the events.
Cenk & Management fired Jordan Chariton out of some lame attempt to SAVE FACE for the company.
And what’s gonna happen as a result of this stupidity is the MAIN TURK being taken down when the allegations come for HIM.
Because of what he did to Jordan, he’s not gonna have people blocking for him & supporting him when that boomerang comes back around.
And when you take out Cenk, you take out The Young Turks & its network.
When you take out The Young Turks, you take out the King of Internet News Media.
And therefore you take out Independent News Media.
Without Cenk this whole thing falls apart. And now the conspirators know how fruitful their attacks can be.
When it happens, return to this comment & you’ll see how right I am about the scene going on right now.
You have NO idea what’s coming.
John Lucas
tltr… sweet essay and use of copy paste
Dave’s idea about research assistants is a good one. It’d be helpful to see an expert on which harmful chemicals are linked to specifically, certain carcinogens, nerve agents, even asthma.
Secondly, someone should be reporting deep dives on the congressional beat regarding big donor-influenced legislation. That alone could be a fulltime job. Connecting the dots.
Have your reporters record the audio on their end too
A choppy connection Chariton video is better than any technologically refined mainstream media production, always great to hear Chariton and what he’s investigating, uncovering and reporting on.
Thank you Koller for this Reporting In show, great idea to fill us TYT members in on what the investigative reporters are up to!
HEADS UP:
Jordan’s Skype connection sucks