Sorry about this, Ana went absolute IDIOT mode here.
Party operations and nominations entirely bought and paid for is BEYOND money in politics, and its bad enough that got less coverage on TYT than on CNN. All that was left was for Ana to mix up some bullshit outrage sauce and brush all over that shitsandwich.
And this is the outfit that thinks there here to save our democracy. Fuck.
John, Ana, and to a bit of a lesser extent Cenk, are having trouble with the Russia stuff because of they have drops of emotion dripping into their eye.
They aren’t fully submerged into emotion like the MSM is, but it is still effecting them.
Hatred of Trump.
That’s it. The blunt nature of Trump’s ugliness, even though it’s the exact same ugliness found in all Republicans, is so blatant & in-your-face that people just can’t help but not only hate him to the extreme, but also desperately want him to be replaced by a more polite (but equally evil) candidate like Pence.
There is just something about blatant ugliness that causes a subconscious change in many humans to taint their perception just enough to go off on the same nonsense or narrative as the MSM (even if a lite version).
There is also a tinge of respect for the MSM when it comes to Cenk, Ana, and John. I have no idea why. They still blast the MSM as awful. However there is still that tinge of respect for them.
It’s this tinge of respect, this “polite society” desire which Trump’s ugliness is so contrarian to, that causes those drops of emotion to cloud their judgement. Not enough to make them blind, but enough to twist their perception to never be able to get it right.
Jimmy Dore & Glenn Greenwald, among other progressives, are predicting there won’t be anything resulting from this Russian Investigation nonsense. So Trump won’t be imprisoned for it, mostly because Russia didn’t do anything. (i.e. DNC wasn’t hacked, it was an insider leak).
Cenk predicts the opposite. Trump is already done for. The investigation’s very first announcement ended Trump’s reign. It is only a matter of time now.
We will see who is right, but my guess? Those drops in Cenk’s eyes caused him to want SO BADLY for Trump to be gone, that his judgement was impaired to predict a defeat of Trump despite the evidence to the contrary.
It’s only a matter of time before we see who is right, but it’s either Cenk or Jimmy. I am either right about Cenk/Ana/John being tinged by emotion, or Jimmy is wrong & Cenk/Ana/John were the logical ones.
Only one team comes out of this untouched by emotion blinding their judgement because their predictions are polar opposites.
Either way, I will still have a lot of respect for Cenk, Ana, John, and Jimmy.
Being wrong one time isn’t that big of a deal. They are all four very honest, intelligent, and allies in the fight against corruption. Even if one prediction is logical while the other is emotional.
I despise Trump as much as anyone else, but this neo-liberal scapegoat nonsense is ridiculous.
Russia isn’t responsible for your lack of healthcare & high costs.
Russia isn’t responsible for both of your political parties accepting money from corporations in exchange for favors.
Russia didn’t explode the prison population with an insane drug war.
Russia didn’t cause the U.S. to start all these illegal wars, perpetual war for profit, and terrorism drone strikes which melt the flesh off of the bodies of 4 year old children.
Russia Russia Russia.
You neo-liberals might as well just start blaming the Mexicans for all of your problems.
Why is it taking so long these days to upload the episodes? Today’s hour one has been over for over two hours now. Most of the time the YouTube videos are up now ahead of the website. What’s the point.
Here’s the problem with Wikkileaks
They have painted themselves white as the driven snow
On top of the moral mountain
Against the bad US no matter how trivial or substantial
and the world has given them a pass based on their hyped morality
To see them coaching a candidate to win, using leaked info they have, to also personally benefit their leader
and to go on to encourage Trump to deliberately create chaos in America with no evidence to back it up, that the presidential vote was rigged, which is either a political attack, or childish spite
Either way
They have proven themselves to be as dirty as any politician
They deserve to FALL as far as they RAISED themselves up
They deserve to fall far, long, crash and burn
As you said, FOX is a pro Right media org, no bones and the example of what news sites need to do if they want to press an agenda
PS Cenk, you need to ask your IT staff what the reports on Wikkileaks and Leaked emails connections to Russia MEAN. It’s cool you don’t get it, can’t understand it, what the electronic footprints in the sand mean, but, they do mean either Russia in both up to their necks, or a world class conspiracy to blame Russia.
Who cares? All that matters to us is whether or not we get truthful information or not.
Rigging? Russia Meddling? Acting as if we should suppress truth because a foreign power reveals it? What?
If Russia tells the truth, does it somehow become a lie? If Hitler says the sky is Blue, does it suddenly turn Red? Does the DNC being “hacked”, somehow diminish their corruption? Should we suppress truth just because the source was “stolen”?
This is all nonsense, propaganda, and emotion.
If there was illegal activity, like Trump working directly with Russia to do ILLEGAL activities, then yes – prosecute & throw them all in jail.
However we already know the facts reported by both whistleblowers & confirmed by the evidence & lack of claimed evidence: The DNC wasn’t hacked externally. An insider took the information using a thumbdrive. Are you really going to blabber on about Russia Russia Russia, when the only way they “hacked” the DNC is if they were physically present? Are you claiming we have Russian agents on American soil, taking information? That isn’t hacking. That’s someone on the inside leaking the information.
There are those who claim they have evidence it was Russia. Yet they refuse to reveal this evidence. Hillary & the DNC refused to turn everything over to federal agents. Why would they do that, when they are so confident there is proof it was Russia? Why is there no evidence whatsoever that Russia hacked the DNC? Just supposed claimed evidence which has been hidden for over a year now.
But why should you look at the evidence? Why use Logic or Science, when you can blame Russia fulfill your love of the idea that Trump will be gone soon, and satisfy your desire for a scapegoat. Why use Logic when you can paint WikiLeaks as some kind of villain because they helped reveal the DNC was corrupt?
What is wrong with you neo-liberals? This entire idea of “Russia Interference in the Election” is so stupid.
Russia isn’t keeping you from Universal Healthcare.
Russia isn’t causing America to start endless war, perpetual war profiteering, drone strikes on civilians, and terrorism against innocent middle eastern children.
Russia didn’t destroy your Unions.
Russia didn’t give Hillary the money to buy the DNC.
Russia didn’t destroy & rig the primary to keep Bernie Sanders from becoming the next President.
Russia isn’t responsible for high drug costs & medical expenses.
Russia didn’t cause Roy Moore to be a rapey evil man.
Russia didn’t cause Bill & Hillary Clinton to go after all the victims of his predatory sexuality.
Russia didn’t imprison a huge portion of our population.
Russia didn’t cause the drug war.
Russia Russia Russia.
You Neo-Liberals might as well just start blaming the Mexicans for all your problems.
Assange interviews on RT TV & Bill Maher before the election showed he was actively undermining Clinton with unsubstantiated conspiracy theories that were also being spread by right wing pundits. He also defended Trump and Russia with ‘nothing to see here’ shrug of the should type responses.
I also find it sadly ironic that two of the most destructive people helping to white ant American institutions and spread totally BS news are Australians- Murdoch and Assange. Especially considering Oz is one of the USAs strongest allies. No conspiracy theory, just saying.
I am a retired judge and i’d like to state that in my view Cenk is a great patriot right up there with our founding fathers. He set up 3 organizations that will likely give us back our democracy : wolf~pack.com, Justice Democrats and tytnetwork. Cenk could have sold out 2 times and gotten rich instead by 1st selling out to msnbc and 2nd by selling tyt for millions of dollars. I greatly admire you Cenk. If I were not an old fart, I would more actively go out and help. As it is I will keep financing the above mentioned organizations!
WikiLeaks is politically-motivated. A neutral actor wouldn’t just dripfeed the Podesta emails weekly right before an election, they would publish the entire thing (like they did in other cases before). Especially since they probably had them for a long time.
Wikileaks has been hijacked years ago by an anarchic group lead by the self-professed anarchist-in-chief and has been effectively in Russian pockets since 2014, probably well before that, since nothing really bad that has ever leaked from Russia has found its way to Wikileaks despite the rather large volume of such leaks especially in the Paradise and Panama Papers.
Every single outlet and journalist that made Wikileaks into what it is abandoned it because of that and went on to the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists.
And I want to give kudos to Cebk for bringing some logic and nuance to the Russia story, which is sorely missing elsewhere. I’m tired of people either overhyping every scrap of alleged evidence, or dismissing everything out of hand because they’ve already made up their mind this is a hoax. Cenk at least brings perspective on what is and isn’t important.
Chetzmom, I think you are ignoring an important point that both Ana and Cenk have made. Their main concern about Russia isn’t meddling in elections as much as the personal corruption of Trump with Russian interests that affect his policy decisions. It’s ok to hate on Hillary as I do, bur don’t allow that hate to blind you to real concerns just because you’re hell-bent on proving Hillary lost without outside help. There’s more to the Russia thing than just the election.
Today, Cenk is by FAR the relaxed & reasonable one. I believe Trump has illegal dealings with Russia, and it WILL bring him down. What really set me off was when Ana pulls a Bubba about the primaries by saying “rigging and manipulating are NOT the same thing.”
If she (and others) cannot see that the Dem primaries were rigged, manipulated, or origami-ed into the result the DNC-Clintoncrats wanted, than we will be DOOMED to repeat the last election.
It won’t matter how many Justice Dems there are, or how many actually voters, if the DNC can “manipulate” the results.
Another News Flash for you, Ana. We have “rigged” elections in America.
Rigged – definition from Dictionary.com
verb (used with object), rigged, rigging.
(there are 3 other definitions
4. TO MANIPULATE FRAUDULENTLY : “to rig prices.” or voting or elections.
Ana says there is “no evidence of the election being rigged.”
Since she lives in California, I assume she is aware of the primary ballots that were never counted.
Ana, you say there is a “difference between rigging and manipulating” voted or an election.
You mean like the difference between a blow job and intercourse?
Maybe you should ask Billy-boy Clinton about that one.
What is the difference between Wikileaks bringing FACTS that help Trump and TYT bringing FACTS that help Justice Dems? or Bernie? Acknowledging their biases? Okay.
You know what I don’t care about? TYT’s constant emphasis, Ana is carrying the torch today, on Russia, Russia, Russia! I am FUCKING SICK OF RUSSIA!!!!!!
STFU about it … Ana, this is SOOOOOO tired!
You are spending too much time on this.
I have news for you, Ana, the US meddles all over the planet and is not considered a country so much as a destructive, greedy EMPIRE.
Well, I’m guessing TYT isn’t going to actively encourage Justice Dem candidates to refuse to acknowledge or concede a loss regardless of the election outcome. So there’s a glaring difference off the bat.
Wikileaks’ issue was also that obvious biases were not honestly acknowledged. Did you even listen to the story?
What makes you think that the DNC-Clintoncrats won’t pull the same shenanigans in a 2020 primary?
They will still have Super Delegates, Tom Perez purged all the Progressives from rules committee, they still have their pet MSM.
Yes, I listened to the story.
I agreed more with Cenk. Ana appeared more concerned with the info was “illegally obtained,” regardless if it was true or not. She was also dismissive of any election RIGGING, by the Dems.
Maybe it’s her cold.
I mean, they’re certainly dumb enough to try. I’m just hoping people have learned some lessons and understand how to analyze facts with a critical understanding of context. Both Wikileaks and the DNC are disingenuous organizations that actively try to advantage the playing field for their preferred candidates while pretending to be neutral, but even then I don’t think the DNC is so recklessly foolish and overtly malicious as to encourage their candidate to refuse to concede regardless of outcome. That’s such a brazen attempt to actively undermine democratic norms that it’s frightening…think of the bloodthirsty mob frenzy Trump stirs up apropos of nothing, much less when his followers are urged to believe they’ve had a “win” openly cheated out of their hands by Democrats. Trump was quite clearly priming them for this (“we’ll see;” or “I’ll accept the results…if I win”).
“Ana appeared more concerned with the info was “illegally obtained,” regardless if it was true or not.”
Probably because it affects the discussion around possible legal liability and Assange’s credibility in general – I didn’t get the idea she took issue with the truth of the documents as much as the fact that what the public is exposed to via Wikileaks is now known to be deliberately filtered through the scope of Assange’s personal agenda. If he’s going to release material, he should let the readers make the judgment for themselves as to what is or isn’t important instead of slyly withholding information that doesn’t serve (or conflicts with) his own self-interest.
Assange’s documented communications and actions thus far, plus the fact that all of this happened during an election, could provide support for one of the key elements of the espionage act that’s usually harder to prove clearly (e.g., he had reason to believe the documents could be used to injure the US or advantage a foreign nation). He began to play editor and selectively withhold information just as pertinent to the public interest (like Trump emails or leaks about the russian government) at a time when he was being compensated by the state-funded media (RT) outlet of a country with a vested interest in getting American sanctions dropped absent diplomatic resolution (not that the Trump administration has shown itself to be a viable diplomatic partner).
This story actually has far less to do with Russia itself directly as it does Assange…it’s now more than clear he’s a dishonest actor who operates in bad faith. It makes you wonder about the other important information he’s been holding back because it’s not useful for him to disclose.
“She was also dismissive of any election RIGGING, by the Dems.” –> Not necessarily – like Cenk said, it’s wording issue and everyone’s idea of “rigging” is going to vary. She thinks of it as actually changing or dumping votes/ballot stuffing/doctoring vote counts/etc (see Iran in 2009) or holding some kind of unregulated sham election where people could vote twice or not count votes (see Catalonia 2017). She acknowledges the DNC did a hell of a lot to favor the success of one candidate over the other (what she calls ‘manipulation’). I think what Ana considers “rigging” most people usually refer to as outright cheating or tampering, whereas others (fairly) believe “rigging” describes actions that may not rise to that overt level but fall within the broad scope of activities that dishonestly manipulate the outcome.
“What makes you think that the DNC-Clintoncrats won’t pull the same shenanigans in a 2020 primary?
They will still have Super Delegates, Tom Perez purged all the Progressives from rules committee, they still have their pet MSM. ”
They already did, and almost lost to Bernie Sanders.
When Bernie Sanders runs again in 2020, there is no amount of rigging they can do to keep him from winning by an overwhelming number.
1) DNC has no establishment candidate who is even remotely popular, let alone comparable to Bernie or Hillary.
2) DNC fully rigged the primary as much as possible, and still almost lost.
3) People had no idea who Bernie was when he ran. He only lost because he didn’t have enough time.
4) Hillary Lost. This is over.
5) The only reason Bernie didn’t instantly win was because Hillary was one of the most powerful & well known democrats in the history of the party. If they had run anyone else, they wouldn’t have even been able to rig it.
It’s over for the DNC. There is no amount of rigging that can stop a progressive win in 2020.
Ana’s Lohan voice is amazing; I almost wish she were sick all the time.
Think Cenk and Ana are tilting too far on Wikileaks and failing to separate some of their opportunism from their leanings. The Clinton campaign would never work with them.
Cenk, I get that you disagree with Ana. Your argument has lost me, though, even though I agree with you about some of what you said.
Why? Because you are continuing to interrupt Ana, not allowing her to finish her point. It’s embarrassing. It makes you look like you, the man, think your voice is more important than Ana’s, the woman.
Wait your fucking turn, man, and let the woman speak. In a civil debate, speakers are, well, civil.
I am really at a loss as to why Cenk and Ana, (and John, though he was not on today) are struggling with the Russia coverage so hard and failing to get the framing and perspective correct nearly every time.
To start, two things can be true at once: Trump can be corrupt and the Clinton’s can be corrupt. In response to this, Cenk/Ana/John keep saying things like, “Hillary lost the election” and “she has no power” and “she’s off wandering in the woods” and “this is just a distraction to take your attention away from the Trump investigation.” To take them one at a time, of course, Hillary did lose the election, but that in no way means that she does not have power. Do Cenk/Ana/John seriously think after she lost she threw up her hands, and said, “well looks like I have to give all this power back bc I lost.” The Clintons are one of the most powerful political families in the world with control and connections that ranges far beyond Hillary’s loss of an election. I’m not saying tin foil hat power etc., but simply as a matter of course, they are a wildly connected, rich and influential family and have been for decades, so please stop saying they have no power. On its face this is false and is a horrible reason to not investigate her corruption and it makes you lose credibility because of your inability to apply the same standard evenly. The fact that the Uranium One deal happened a number of years ago is almost as bad of an argument, especially considering the fact that the Clintons are still very powerful and active in politics, if predominantly behind the scenes.
Now, are Republicans using this as a distraction to take attention away from the current investigation into Trump? Yes, of course—but that doesn’t make the substance of their claims incorrect. In precisely the same way, are Democrats using the Russia meddling narrative to distract from the fact that they utterly failed and that their incompetence cost us the election? Yes, of course—and just as above, it might also be the case that some of their accusations are correct.
If we step back for a moment and consider the treatment of these issues in the press, most MSM outlets are covering the Russian meddling narrative practically wall-to-wall and creating, what some might call, hysteria about Russian interference in the election, with claims of treason and red-baiting being fairly common place. On the other hand, Fox News has used this Russia fervor to throw corruption charges at Hillary and Dems. The problem is, both the Democrats and the Republicans are probably right about the corruption! So again, is it a witch hunt to stick Russian corruption to Hillary at this point? Yes. Was the Russia narrative and ensuing hysteria being used by democrats as a witch hunt against Trump (to distract from their pathetic loss)? Yes. Both things can be true at the same time: they are both corrupt, they are both powerful, and they should both be investigated.
And let us remember the context of all of this: the original charge of Russian meddling was that Russian agents hacked the DNC and John Podesta’s emails. Now, of course, the Russian meddling narrative has caught fire and shifted from hacking to collusion to corruption to real estate to bribery and on and on. Certainly, it may land on something that is true, and possibly impeachable, but this corruption will likely be the type of corruption that is, unfortunately, a mundane matter of course for many people in Washington, including the Clintons; and that is precisely what is so egregious and disingenuous about the tenor of the Russia meddling narrative: this is standard corruption that is being blown way, way out of proportion. That does not mean that it is not important, or that it should not be investigated. However, I feel like Cenk/Ana/John need to be honest about it and not simply reproduce the Russia/Trump hysteria and then hold Hillary to an entirely different standard. It is ridiculous.
Hillary is probably just as dirty as Trump, and that is okay to admit; it does not mean that Trump is not a corrupt piece of shit, he certainly is—but holy smokes, no more kid gloves with the Clintons. If the Russian fueled fire that they started burns them too, so be it! They are powerful players in Washington, which makes them powerful players in the world, and it is your job to hold the powerful to account, not just the president. And not covering it simply because Fox News is covering it is ridiculous. The left is supposed to be better than right-wingers with their tribalism. We can walk and chew gum at the same time. If you have to report on Trump/Russia every day, please at least get this shit straightened out and report it better.
For the record, I still think you guys call it correctly on nearly every other issue. Perhaps that is what makes your coverage of this issue feel so much worse. Either way, much love.
John, Ana, and to a bit of a lesser extent Cenk, are having trouble with the Russia stuff because of they have drops of emotion dripping into their eye.
They aren’t fully submerged into emotion like the MSM is, but it is still effecting them.
Hatred of Trump.
That’s it. The blunt nature of Trump’s ugliness, even though it’s the exact same ugliness found in all Republicans, is so blatant & in-your-face that people just can’t help but not only hate him to the extreme, but also desperately want him to be replaced by a more polite (but equally evil) candidate like Pence.
There is just something about blatant ugliness that causes a subconscious change in many humans to taint their perception just enough to go off on the same nonsense or narrative as the MSM (even if a lite version).
There is also a tinge of respect for the MSM when it comes to Cenk, Ana, and John. I have no idea why. They still blast the MSM as awful. However there is still that tinge of respect for them.
It’s this tinge of respect, this “polite society” desire which Trump’s ugliness is so contrarian to, that causes those drops of emotion to cloud their judgement. Not enough to make them blind, but enough to twist their perception to never be able to get it right.
Jimmy Dore & Glenn Greenwald, among other progressives, are predicting there won’t be anything resulting from this Russian Investigation nonsense. So Trump won’t be imprisoned for it, mostly because Russia didn’t do anything. (i.e. DNC wasn’t hacked, it was an insider leak).
Cenk predicts the opposite. Trump is already done for. The investigation’s very first announcement ended Trump’s reign. It is only a matter of time now.
We will see who is right, but my guess? Those drops in Cenk’s eyes caused him to want SO BADLY for Trump to be gone, that his judgement was impaired to predict a defeat of Trump despite the evidence to the contrary.
It’s only a matter of time before we see who is right, but it’s either Cenk or Jimmy. I am either right about Cenk/Ana/John being tinged by emotion, or Jimmy is wrong & Cenk/Ana/John were the logical ones.
Only one team comes out of this untouched by emotion blinding their judgement because their predictions are polar opposites.
WikiLeaks: Trying to undermine our Democracy and steal the election from Hillary- wow, I didn’t see that coming. And Cenk thinks two wrongs make a right – again, huge surprise, Ugh. Thank you, Ana, for not being the self-righteous, egotistical prick that Cenk is. Hey Cenk, where’s your wallet? No I didn’t STEAL it, I ‘Got Access’ to it! Haha you can’t get me locked up for it all I did was ‘get access’ to it! And for Cenk to bring up Donna Brazile again yet never mentioning the fact that she has retracted or walked back most of her anti-Hillary statements, or her financial stake in that she was trying to sell books is bad journalism, whatever you think of the DNC. Even if he wanted to say “I believe Donna Brazile anyway” right after that I’d like it go. But it’s been a month and not once has TYT presented new facts and new statements because they don’t line up with their own biases. Welcome to Fox News’ club, Cenk.
This first hours is great example why I love TYT. Two progressives discussing differing points of view on the significance of Wikileaks and Trump campaign. Awesome. As far as the drone comment, maybe it was surveillance drone, no munitions?
Love seeing Ana back.
TYT. Break the Right Wing trance. They lie with no bonds. Stop honoring Evil behavior.
The Right Wing Liars will tell the Left to look a car is behind while at McD’s & still a fry & the Left will give good reasons why that was wrong.
The Right will say turn around a car is coming the Left will turn around and look again. As a matter of fact the Left gets clobbered. In the Spirit of being fair to complete Liars, Cheats let me tell you thier distraction story about Urainium . Why even cover that story. Stop letting the Right still your fries.
Read the little boy that cried wolf. It will demonstrate how to deal with liars .
Why should the Right change when the Left will do what ever is commanded.
#Rightlues Judgment
You guys continually say there was no evidence of rigging in the general election. I wonder, are you aware of the work of Greg Palast? or Mike Farb? Both seem to have uncovered some seriously questionable sh*t. And it doesn’t even have to be Russia related; it’s the GOP’s old trick of making it impossible for people to vote. It actually irritates me quite a bit that you guys never talk about any of this stuff and logically makes me wonder why you don’t and keep on claiming the Dems are so F’d because Trump legit beat them. That really doesn’t seem to be the case. Just the voting machine mess in Detroit alone was enough votes to throw Michigan, my home state. We happily berate Trump all the time for his lack of care about the integrity of our elections, and yet the issue is covered very little on this show, outside of the normal complaints about money in politics. I’d happily sit through the new 13 minutes of Justice Democrats ads you guys are doing at the front of show if you’d spend a little more time covering the investigators uncovering this stuff and trying to make sure people actually get their votes counted. Pretty please, with a cherry on top!
The only good Ben Shapiro made in his debate with Cenk was how he could berate the media for giving so much attention to one candidate, while he did the exact same thing with Bernie. And now we are starting each show with 10 minutes of candidates that are directly related to Cenk. This is making me uncomfortable. It’s less of a news commentary show than a direct commercial outlet for a candidate. The look on Cenk’s face at that point of the debate leads me to believe he himself is slightly troubled with the connection but believes he is doing it for the greater good. Blah blah, I support all of the candidates, I support Cenk, but this is a strange and uncomfortable blend of news and commercials for political candidates. If this keeps going, I’m dropping the sub and will watch from youtube.
I have yet to see anyone explain why sewing chaos in the US benefits Russia at all. I am so sick of this red scare bullshit. Assange wants to try and get his freedom from a man he saw as an easy target for manipulation. As Cenk said he certainly wouldn’t support the woman who wants to kill him so It’s disingenuous to call him pro-trump implying that they agree on anything at all or that it would need Russian involvement to make sense. That’s crap Assange’s motive was self-preservation just as it would be if anyone were in his shoes. Trump may owe Russian banks, that’s it! please move on. You say Trump liking Putin is some sort of clue as if halfwit right-wingers haven’t always bowed down to the tough guy. He likes the Dueterte too, does that mean they colluded? How is Russia considered to be meddling by spending pocket change on Facebook in a political system awash in BILLIONS of dollars? You admit no votes were tampered with so all of this is a non-issue. If the fact that they tried to change some minds is so wrong why do we tolerate generation after generation of domestic propaganda? We have been meddling in elections around the world including Russia forever so those in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones. Even if Russia didn’t want HRC to win is that bad when you take into account that she wanted a no-fly zone in Syria that could have started a world war? seriously ask yourself all of this before you proceed to talk about the next Russia story brought to you by intelligence agencies that always lie (WMD) published by papers that want to continue to provide cover for corporate democratic failures and beat the drums for war.
The issue with the uranium deal has nothing to do with putting us at risk with Russia. It’s the pay-for-play/conflict of interests, favors for a foreign government. Yes, there is evidence that she knew and approved the deal. It is referred to in several Wikileaks which, regardless of what you think of Assange, the emails are real. This has as much if not more evidence as the same claim being made against Trump has. We can’t hold him accountable when we keep letting Dems off. Our credibility on this is compromised by her and Dems behavior.
And, yes, we should be focused on what Trump is saying, but they’re not because of their own compromised position. It is not a coincidence that this is coming out on the heels of Brazile’s book and the corporate reinstatement of their control over the party. Why is it always one or the other?? Why can we NOT call out corruption, compromise, discrepancies, and hypocrisy without being sandblasted for not focusing only on Trump? WE KNOW TRUMP IS AWFUL!! We all want him out, but Dems/Clinton are trying to cover their own back, NOT oust Trump. Dems are spending all their time tearing apart this “rigging” claim, not going after Trump. This is why people have a hard time just moving on and letting it go.
I agree, it is disappointing about Assange, but not really a surprise to me- not because I think he agrees with Trump or Repubs, but because of his persecution feeling (and somewhat rightfully so) with the est Dems and Hillary in particular. I wish he’d been more upfront and not colluded with the Trump campaign, but it doesn’t make the podesta emails untrue or the Dems exonerated because of Assange’s possible motives. I get there is a link now between Assange and the Trump campaign, but I’m still not seeing a link with that and Russia. the Russia collusion seems to be on the financial front, etc. But, whatever.
Again, timing: there are crappy things afoot and it just feels like the snakes are everywhere. I’d sure like to see some proof, though, for some of these claims. I am getting tired of having to take our governments word for it. it has no credibility anymore.
BTW: stacking the deck, colluding with your campaign and the DNC, and buying the nomination, which, I’m sorry, but this legalized briberynad money laundering “baillout “that didn’t bail anyone out but her campaign-which she lost, that secured 50-state superdelegate and state party support for her over Bernie a full year ahead of time, the insistence on including all those bought superdelegate votes in vote totals, the debate schedule, the media black out, the voter suppression, including the illegal purging of 100-200K votes in Brooklyn and other burroughs (right where Hill’s main campaign headquarters were), the ridiculousness that went on in CA, NY, Nevada, Arizona,and elsewhere, I am sorry, but it’s hard to see all of that as anything other than RIGGING. Flipping votes or manipulating voting machines is NOT the only way to rig an election, and it doesn’t take 50 states, either, only certain key states in certain key areas.
And, the dismissal of exit polls and then the cancellation of them with record discrepancies-I am sorry, but there is a preponderance of suspicious incidents, none of which we’re even allowed to talk about without being called conspiracy theorists, Trump supporters, or sexist Bernie Bros. I don’t know about you, but I don’t want this to happen again, and it will. They are already setting it up to make sure in advance. This is why they don’t go after Trump too hard. They want as awful an excuse to win as possible in 2020 without anyone “daring” to vote against the lesser evil for fear of another 4 years of Trump. Anna, take a step back. We can criticize Clinton and the Dems AND stay on Trump. it is possible to do both, and necessary because “moving on” while the Dem elites are still controlling the party and pulling nefarious strings behind the scenes and in the media just isn’t going to fly.
GO Justice Dems, though!!!
Look back no further than Watergate to realize what chaos to a super power does.
10 years of economic and political upheaval and government dysfunction at a critical time in the country.
During this brief period the USSR orchestrated 11 military interventions and coups across the world the biggest was the Spring offensive in Vietnam which sent millions of people as boat refugees despite all the peace agreements signed.
The USSR successfully infiltrated into Latin America using the drug trade to finance left wing guerrillas (who may I remind you were no church ladies, they began the whole mess that reverberate to this day) and indirectly exacerbating the drug war in the US.
All these Soviet successes undermined the US economy by either raising Oil prices and other critical commodities during periods of stagnation, closing export markets to the US, emerging market countries’ credit collapse causing stresses on US banking.
Also look at what happened to the USSR between 82 and 85 when it went through 4 leaders and the collapse of the Soviet empire at an astonishing speed. In 1982 the USSR was still light years ahead of China in 2000 in general macroeconomic terms but the upheaval in succession lead to a mini-purge that destroyed the USSR, Russia and caused millions of deaths and an unprecedented economic collapse.
The US is right now in a critical stage of its existence and with political upheaval comes economic uncertainties and with that comes economic difficulties that open up the way for the Russians to exert their influence and benefit strategically and economically.
and poor ol’ innocent USA was doing nothin’ in Latin America. It was them evil soviets. It had nothing to do with US capitalist interests in the region at all. They was just protectin’ freedom y’all.
I never said the US was ever innocent or did not intervene prior to the Soviet intervention, I said that that Latin America turned violent when the USSR went in and the US does not take kindly to Europeans moving into its turf.
Prior to that the coups and interventions were low key and no where near as bloody as the 80s.
I agree that your internal squabble got in the way of explaining Wikileaks story. Let us hear one side first, without interruption, and then the other side. Otherwise we’re goibg to have to call it a debate and put you on late along side NFL games. ;-)
I’m so glad yall had an intellectual, great argument with each other about two different sides of what people might believe but.. Cenk! Love you man, but let Ana speak! You should absolutely be able to say what you feel and agree with or disagree with about the store but..cmon man! I could barely follow along with you constantly cutting in! I love you guys both and I don’t want this to sound like I’m a jerk and hate one or the other… You guys are down right AMAZE BALLS!!! But c’mon man… (sorry if someone doesn’t agree. I’m just glad I can share my opinion and you can as well) Keep on doing what you do guys! I love the show!!!
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He’s totally wrong on the time framing the money was given to foundation 3 years before the decision to sell that company. The oligarch that was giving the money divested before she was even in the state department. Kinda playing loose with the exact facts they had a former FBI who investigated that deal come out and talk about it. How they determined there was no there- there.
Anyone who has followed Wikileaks over time knows that they are most definitely not ‘pro-Trump’. Being strongly anti-Clinton (just as many people around the world are who are not blinded by our MSM bs/political bs) does not make you pro-Trump. Assange knows that dude is a hateful idiot who will NOT have a transparent government, so why would he be for that? He wouldn’t be. It makes no sense. I think Wiki knew they had support by Trumpsters/and the Trumps themselves, just by virtue of spilling Hillary beans, so they tried to use it to get more info out of these jamokes, hence the ‘chummy’ communication.
I am really tired of the semantical argument over whether or not certain people/groups were anti-Clinton or pro-Trump. It really honestly couldn’t matter less. Did they help Trump? Yes. End of story moving on you can defend them all you want but this argument like all arguments over semantics is weak
I kind of agree. It again shows how much Assange hated Hillary (that was obvious as fuck when he came out pushing the Seth Rich conspiracy), and how astronomically terrible HRC was as a candidate. But that does not mean Assange was not pro Trump/Russia. In my opinion the tax return BS, and suggesting Trump not concede if he lost proves that. I agree with Cenk. I think people want to believe what they want to believe even when presented with the facts. It’s messed up because Wikileaks has done so much good. I think they should (and they definitely will) expose more shit and do more good…but my view of them has been skewed from wanting to call out and expose the corrupt establishment, to wanting to watch the world burn. And without a doubt, Assange is more narcissistic and self-serving than we’d like to believe. Huge fucking letdown.
Your word “biasees”(spelled so that you see the mispronunciation). It’s a simple plural…biases.
Easy peasy. Don’t make things more complex than necessary.
BTW, I sure missed Old School last week. That’s a hint.
Cenk looks Drunk or High. Lol.
It might be just lack of sleep. But but man you can really tell he’s a little slow today.
You Cenk. Lay off the Sauce until you finish the show. Lol
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Sorry about this, Ana went absolute IDIOT mode here.
Party operations and nominations entirely bought and paid for is BEYOND money in politics, and its bad enough that got less coverage on TYT than on CNN. All that was left was for Ana to mix up some bullshit outrage sauce and brush all over that shitsandwich.
And this is the outfit that thinks there here to save our democracy. Fuck.
Im sorry Cenk Destroyed Ana…..like DAM it Cenk from MSNBC who burned EVERY politician he crossed paths with.
John, Ana, and to a bit of a lesser extent Cenk, are having trouble with the Russia stuff because of they have drops of emotion dripping into their eye.
They aren’t fully submerged into emotion like the MSM is, but it is still effecting them.
Hatred of Trump.
That’s it. The blunt nature of Trump’s ugliness, even though it’s the exact same ugliness found in all Republicans, is so blatant & in-your-face that people just can’t help but not only hate him to the extreme, but also desperately want him to be replaced by a more polite (but equally evil) candidate like Pence.
There is just something about blatant ugliness that causes a subconscious change in many humans to taint their perception just enough to go off on the same nonsense or narrative as the MSM (even if a lite version).
There is also a tinge of respect for the MSM when it comes to Cenk, Ana, and John. I have no idea why. They still blast the MSM as awful. However there is still that tinge of respect for them.
It’s this tinge of respect, this “polite society” desire which Trump’s ugliness is so contrarian to, that causes those drops of emotion to cloud their judgement. Not enough to make them blind, but enough to twist their perception to never be able to get it right.
Jimmy Dore & Glenn Greenwald, among other progressives, are predicting there won’t be anything resulting from this Russian Investigation nonsense. So Trump won’t be imprisoned for it, mostly because Russia didn’t do anything. (i.e. DNC wasn’t hacked, it was an insider leak).
Cenk predicts the opposite. Trump is already done for. The investigation’s very first announcement ended Trump’s reign. It is only a matter of time now.
We will see who is right, but my guess? Those drops in Cenk’s eyes caused him to want SO BADLY for Trump to be gone, that his judgement was impaired to predict a defeat of Trump despite the evidence to the contrary.
It’s only a matter of time before we see who is right, but it’s either Cenk or Jimmy. I am either right about Cenk/Ana/John being tinged by emotion, or Jimmy is wrong & Cenk/Ana/John were the logical ones.
Only one team comes out of this untouched by emotion blinding their judgement because their predictions are polar opposites.
Either way, I will still have a lot of respect for Cenk, Ana, John, and Jimmy.
Being wrong one time isn’t that big of a deal. They are all four very honest, intelligent, and allies in the fight against corruption. Even if one prediction is logical while the other is emotional.
I despise Trump as much as anyone else, but this neo-liberal scapegoat nonsense is ridiculous.
Russia isn’t responsible for your lack of healthcare & high costs.
Russia isn’t responsible for both of your political parties accepting money from corporations in exchange for favors.
Russia didn’t explode the prison population with an insane drug war.
Russia didn’t cause the U.S. to start all these illegal wars, perpetual war for profit, and terrorism drone strikes which melt the flesh off of the bodies of 4 year old children.
Russia Russia Russia.
You neo-liberals might as well just start blaming the Mexicans for all of your problems.
I agree! Hour 2 ended an hour and forty minutes ago and still nothing :(
sometimes the full video is available on https://tytnetwork.com/live/
Official theme song of the JDs Take it back yall.
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Why is it taking so long these days to upload the episodes? Today’s hour one has been over for over two hours now. Most of the time the YouTube videos are up now ahead of the website. What’s the point.
Here’s the problem with Wikkileaks
They have painted themselves white as the driven snow
On top of the moral mountain
Against the bad US no matter how trivial or substantial
and the world has given them a pass based on their hyped morality
To see them coaching a candidate to win, using leaked info they have, to also personally benefit their leader
and to go on to encourage Trump to deliberately create chaos in America with no evidence to back it up, that the presidential vote was rigged, which is either a political attack, or childish spite
Either way
They have proven themselves to be as dirty as any politician
They deserve to FALL as far as they RAISED themselves up
They deserve to fall far, long, crash and burn
As you said, FOX is a pro Right media org, no bones and the example of what news sites need to do if they want to press an agenda
PS Cenk, you need to ask your IT staff what the reports on Wikkileaks and Leaked emails connections to Russia MEAN. It’s cool you don’t get it, can’t understand it, what the electronic footprints in the sand mean, but, they do mean either Russia in both up to their necks, or a world class conspiracy to blame Russia.
@CreakyWheel
Fall? Crash and Burn? Deserve? Raised up?
Sheer emotional nonsense.
Who cares? All that matters to us is whether or not we get truthful information or not.
Rigging? Russia Meddling? Acting as if we should suppress truth because a foreign power reveals it? What?
If Russia tells the truth, does it somehow become a lie? If Hitler says the sky is Blue, does it suddenly turn Red? Does the DNC being “hacked”, somehow diminish their corruption? Should we suppress truth just because the source was “stolen”?
This is all nonsense, propaganda, and emotion.
If there was illegal activity, like Trump working directly with Russia to do ILLEGAL activities, then yes – prosecute & throw them all in jail.
However we already know the facts reported by both whistleblowers & confirmed by the evidence & lack of claimed evidence: The DNC wasn’t hacked externally. An insider took the information using a thumbdrive. Are you really going to blabber on about Russia Russia Russia, when the only way they “hacked” the DNC is if they were physically present? Are you claiming we have Russian agents on American soil, taking information? That isn’t hacking. That’s someone on the inside leaking the information.
There are those who claim they have evidence it was Russia. Yet they refuse to reveal this evidence. Hillary & the DNC refused to turn everything over to federal agents. Why would they do that, when they are so confident there is proof it was Russia? Why is there no evidence whatsoever that Russia hacked the DNC? Just supposed claimed evidence which has been hidden for over a year now.
But why should you look at the evidence? Why use Logic or Science, when you can blame Russia fulfill your love of the idea that Trump will be gone soon, and satisfy your desire for a scapegoat. Why use Logic when you can paint WikiLeaks as some kind of villain because they helped reveal the DNC was corrupt?
What is wrong with you neo-liberals? This entire idea of “Russia Interference in the Election” is so stupid.
Russia isn’t keeping you from Universal Healthcare.
Russia isn’t causing America to start endless war, perpetual war profiteering, drone strikes on civilians, and terrorism against innocent middle eastern children.
Russia didn’t destroy your Unions.
Russia didn’t give Hillary the money to buy the DNC.
Russia didn’t destroy & rig the primary to keep Bernie Sanders from becoming the next President.
Russia isn’t responsible for high drug costs & medical expenses.
Russia didn’t cause Roy Moore to be a rapey evil man.
Russia didn’t cause Bill & Hillary Clinton to go after all the victims of his predatory sexuality.
Russia didn’t imprison a huge portion of our population.
Russia didn’t cause the drug war.
Russia Russia Russia.
You Neo-Liberals might as well just start blaming the Mexicans for all your problems.
Assange interviews on RT TV & Bill Maher before the election showed he was actively undermining Clinton with unsubstantiated conspiracy theories that were also being spread by right wing pundits. He also defended Trump and Russia with ‘nothing to see here’ shrug of the should type responses.
I also find it sadly ironic that two of the most destructive people helping to white ant American institutions and spread totally BS news are Australians- Murdoch and Assange. Especially considering Oz is one of the USAs strongest allies. No conspiracy theory, just saying.
I am a retired judge and i’d like to state that in my view Cenk is a great patriot right up there with our founding fathers. He set up 3 organizations that will likely give us back our democracy : wolf~pack.com, Justice Democrats and tytnetwork. Cenk could have sold out 2 times and gotten rich instead by 1st selling out to msnbc and 2nd by selling tyt for millions of dollars. I greatly admire you Cenk. If I were not an old fart, I would more actively go out and help. As it is I will keep financing the above mentioned organizations!
lol Cenk said doo-doo 54:40
haha, glad to hear that I’m not the only who giggles every time someone does that
WikiLeaks is politically-motivated. A neutral actor wouldn’t just dripfeed the Podesta emails weekly right before an election, they would publish the entire thing (like they did in other cases before). Especially since they probably had them for a long time.
Wikileaks has been hijacked years ago by an anarchic group lead by the self-professed anarchist-in-chief and has been effectively in Russian pockets since 2014, probably well before that, since nothing really bad that has ever leaked from Russia has found its way to Wikileaks despite the rather large volume of such leaks especially in the Paradise and Panama Papers.
Every single outlet and journalist that made Wikileaks into what it is abandoned it because of that and went on to the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists.
And I want to give kudos to Cebk for bringing some logic and nuance to the Russia story, which is sorely missing elsewhere. I’m tired of people either overhyping every scrap of alleged evidence, or dismissing everything out of hand because they’ve already made up their mind this is a hoax. Cenk at least brings perspective on what is and isn’t important.
Chetzmom, I think you are ignoring an important point that both Ana and Cenk have made. Their main concern about Russia isn’t meddling in elections as much as the personal corruption of Trump with Russian interests that affect his policy decisions. It’s ok to hate on Hillary as I do, bur don’t allow that hate to blind you to real concerns just because you’re hell-bent on proving Hillary lost without outside help. There’s more to the Russia thing than just the election.
I totally agree!
Today, Cenk is by FAR the relaxed & reasonable one. I believe Trump has illegal dealings with Russia, and it WILL bring him down. What really set me off was when Ana pulls a Bubba about the primaries by saying “rigging and manipulating are NOT the same thing.”
If she (and others) cannot see that the Dem primaries were rigged, manipulated, or origami-ed into the result the DNC-Clintoncrats wanted, than we will be DOOMED to repeat the last election.
It won’t matter how many Justice Dems there are, or how many actually voters, if the DNC can “manipulate” the results.
Another News Flash for you, Ana. We have “rigged” elections in America.
Rigged – definition from Dictionary.com
verb (used with object), rigged, rigging.
(there are 3 other definitions
4. TO MANIPULATE FRAUDULENTLY : “to rig prices.” or voting or elections.
Ana says there is “no evidence of the election being rigged.”
Since she lives in California, I assume she is aware of the primary ballots that were never counted.
Ana, you say there is a “difference between rigging and manipulating” voted or an election.
You mean like the difference between a blow job and intercourse?
Maybe you should ask Billy-boy Clinton about that one.
What is the difference between Wikileaks bringing FACTS that help Trump and TYT bringing FACTS that help Justice Dems? or Bernie? Acknowledging their biases? Okay.
You know what I don’t care about? TYT’s constant emphasis, Ana is carrying the torch today, on Russia, Russia, Russia! I am FUCKING SICK OF RUSSIA!!!!!!
STFU about it … Ana, this is SOOOOOO tired!
You are spending too much time on this.
I have news for you, Ana, the US meddles all over the planet and is not considered a country so much as a destructive, greedy EMPIRE.
I agree … but gently and with love.
~Upaya~
Well, I’m guessing TYT isn’t going to actively encourage Justice Dem candidates to refuse to acknowledge or concede a loss regardless of the election outcome. So there’s a glaring difference off the bat.
Wikileaks’ issue was also that obvious biases were not honestly acknowledged. Did you even listen to the story?
What makes you think that the DNC-Clintoncrats won’t pull the same shenanigans in a 2020 primary?
They will still have Super Delegates, Tom Perez purged all the Progressives from rules committee, they still have their pet MSM.
Yes, I listened to the story.
I agreed more with Cenk. Ana appeared more concerned with the info was “illegally obtained,” regardless if it was true or not. She was also dismissive of any election RIGGING, by the Dems.
Maybe it’s her cold.
I mean, they’re certainly dumb enough to try. I’m just hoping people have learned some lessons and understand how to analyze facts with a critical understanding of context. Both Wikileaks and the DNC are disingenuous organizations that actively try to advantage the playing field for their preferred candidates while pretending to be neutral, but even then I don’t think the DNC is so recklessly foolish and overtly malicious as to encourage their candidate to refuse to concede regardless of outcome. That’s such a brazen attempt to actively undermine democratic norms that it’s frightening…think of the bloodthirsty mob frenzy Trump stirs up apropos of nothing, much less when his followers are urged to believe they’ve had a “win” openly cheated out of their hands by Democrats. Trump was quite clearly priming them for this (“we’ll see;” or “I’ll accept the results…if I win”).
“Ana appeared more concerned with the info was “illegally obtained,” regardless if it was true or not.”
Probably because it affects the discussion around possible legal liability and Assange’s credibility in general – I didn’t get the idea she took issue with the truth of the documents as much as the fact that what the public is exposed to via Wikileaks is now known to be deliberately filtered through the scope of Assange’s personal agenda. If he’s going to release material, he should let the readers make the judgment for themselves as to what is or isn’t important instead of slyly withholding information that doesn’t serve (or conflicts with) his own self-interest.
Assange’s documented communications and actions thus far, plus the fact that all of this happened during an election, could provide support for one of the key elements of the espionage act that’s usually harder to prove clearly (e.g., he had reason to believe the documents could be used to injure the US or advantage a foreign nation). He began to play editor and selectively withhold information just as pertinent to the public interest (like Trump emails or leaks about the russian government) at a time when he was being compensated by the state-funded media (RT) outlet of a country with a vested interest in getting American sanctions dropped absent diplomatic resolution (not that the Trump administration has shown itself to be a viable diplomatic partner).
This story actually has far less to do with Russia itself directly as it does Assange…it’s now more than clear he’s a dishonest actor who operates in bad faith. It makes you wonder about the other important information he’s been holding back because it’s not useful for him to disclose.
“She was also dismissive of any election RIGGING, by the Dems.” –> Not necessarily – like Cenk said, it’s wording issue and everyone’s idea of “rigging” is going to vary. She thinks of it as actually changing or dumping votes/ballot stuffing/doctoring vote counts/etc (see Iran in 2009) or holding some kind of unregulated sham election where people could vote twice or not count votes (see Catalonia 2017). She acknowledges the DNC did a hell of a lot to favor the success of one candidate over the other (what she calls ‘manipulation’). I think what Ana considers “rigging” most people usually refer to as outright cheating or tampering, whereas others (fairly) believe “rigging” describes actions that may not rise to that overt level but fall within the broad scope of activities that dishonestly manipulate the outcome.
“What makes you think that the DNC-Clintoncrats won’t pull the same shenanigans in a 2020 primary?
They will still have Super Delegates, Tom Perez purged all the Progressives from rules committee, they still have their pet MSM. ”
They already did, and almost lost to Bernie Sanders.
When Bernie Sanders runs again in 2020, there is no amount of rigging they can do to keep him from winning by an overwhelming number.
1) DNC has no establishment candidate who is even remotely popular, let alone comparable to Bernie or Hillary.
2) DNC fully rigged the primary as much as possible, and still almost lost.
3) People had no idea who Bernie was when he ran. He only lost because he didn’t have enough time.
4) Hillary Lost. This is over.
5) The only reason Bernie didn’t instantly win was because Hillary was one of the most powerful & well known democrats in the history of the party. If they had run anyone else, they wouldn’t have even been able to rig it.
It’s over for the DNC. There is no amount of rigging that can stop a progressive win in 2020.
I certainly hope your right.
What’s the saying? “Hope for the best, but expect the worst.”
Ana’s Lohan voice is amazing; I almost wish she were sick all the time.
Think Cenk and Ana are tilting too far on Wikileaks and failing to separate some of their opportunism from their leanings. The Clinton campaign would never work with them.
Cenk, I get that you disagree with Ana. Your argument has lost me, though, even though I agree with you about some of what you said.
Why? Because you are continuing to interrupt Ana, not allowing her to finish her point. It’s embarrassing. It makes you look like you, the man, think your voice is more important than Ana’s, the woman.
Wait your fucking turn, man, and let the woman speak. In a civil debate, speakers are, well, civil.
I am really at a loss as to why Cenk and Ana, (and John, though he was not on today) are struggling with the Russia coverage so hard and failing to get the framing and perspective correct nearly every time.
To start, two things can be true at once: Trump can be corrupt and the Clinton’s can be corrupt. In response to this, Cenk/Ana/John keep saying things like, “Hillary lost the election” and “she has no power” and “she’s off wandering in the woods” and “this is just a distraction to take your attention away from the Trump investigation.” To take them one at a time, of course, Hillary did lose the election, but that in no way means that she does not have power. Do Cenk/Ana/John seriously think after she lost she threw up her hands, and said, “well looks like I have to give all this power back bc I lost.” The Clintons are one of the most powerful political families in the world with control and connections that ranges far beyond Hillary’s loss of an election. I’m not saying tin foil hat power etc., but simply as a matter of course, they are a wildly connected, rich and influential family and have been for decades, so please stop saying they have no power. On its face this is false and is a horrible reason to not investigate her corruption and it makes you lose credibility because of your inability to apply the same standard evenly. The fact that the Uranium One deal happened a number of years ago is almost as bad of an argument, especially considering the fact that the Clintons are still very powerful and active in politics, if predominantly behind the scenes.
Now, are Republicans using this as a distraction to take attention away from the current investigation into Trump? Yes, of course—but that doesn’t make the substance of their claims incorrect. In precisely the same way, are Democrats using the Russia meddling narrative to distract from the fact that they utterly failed and that their incompetence cost us the election? Yes, of course—and just as above, it might also be the case that some of their accusations are correct.
If we step back for a moment and consider the treatment of these issues in the press, most MSM outlets are covering the Russian meddling narrative practically wall-to-wall and creating, what some might call, hysteria about Russian interference in the election, with claims of treason and red-baiting being fairly common place. On the other hand, Fox News has used this Russia fervor to throw corruption charges at Hillary and Dems. The problem is, both the Democrats and the Republicans are probably right about the corruption! So again, is it a witch hunt to stick Russian corruption to Hillary at this point? Yes. Was the Russia narrative and ensuing hysteria being used by democrats as a witch hunt against Trump (to distract from their pathetic loss)? Yes. Both things can be true at the same time: they are both corrupt, they are both powerful, and they should both be investigated.
And let us remember the context of all of this: the original charge of Russian meddling was that Russian agents hacked the DNC and John Podesta’s emails. Now, of course, the Russian meddling narrative has caught fire and shifted from hacking to collusion to corruption to real estate to bribery and on and on. Certainly, it may land on something that is true, and possibly impeachable, but this corruption will likely be the type of corruption that is, unfortunately, a mundane matter of course for many people in Washington, including the Clintons; and that is precisely what is so egregious and disingenuous about the tenor of the Russia meddling narrative: this is standard corruption that is being blown way, way out of proportion. That does not mean that it is not important, or that it should not be investigated. However, I feel like Cenk/Ana/John need to be honest about it and not simply reproduce the Russia/Trump hysteria and then hold Hillary to an entirely different standard. It is ridiculous.
Hillary is probably just as dirty as Trump, and that is okay to admit; it does not mean that Trump is not a corrupt piece of shit, he certainly is—but holy smokes, no more kid gloves with the Clintons. If the Russian fueled fire that they started burns them too, so be it! They are powerful players in Washington, which makes them powerful players in the world, and it is your job to hold the powerful to account, not just the president. And not covering it simply because Fox News is covering it is ridiculous. The left is supposed to be better than right-wingers with their tribalism. We can walk and chew gum at the same time. If you have to report on Trump/Russia every day, please at least get this shit straightened out and report it better.
For the record, I still think you guys call it correctly on nearly every other issue. Perhaps that is what makes your coverage of this issue feel so much worse. Either way, much love.
John, Ana, and to a bit of a lesser extent Cenk, are having trouble with the Russia stuff because of they have drops of emotion dripping into their eye.
They aren’t fully submerged into emotion like the MSM is, but it is still effecting them.
Hatred of Trump.
That’s it. The blunt nature of Trump’s ugliness, even though it’s the exact same ugliness found in all Republicans, is so blatant & in-your-face that people just can’t help but not only hate him to the extreme, but also desperately want him to be replaced by a more polite (but equally evil) candidate like Pence.
There is just something about blatant ugliness that causes a subconscious change in many humans to taint their perception just enough to go off on the same nonsense or narrative as the MSM (even if a lite version).
There is also a tinge of respect for the MSM when it comes to Cenk, Ana, and John. I have no idea why. They still blast the MSM as awful. However there is still that tinge of respect for them.
It’s this tinge of respect, this “polite society” desire which Trump’s ugliness is so contrarian to, that causes those drops of emotion to cloud their judgement. Not enough to make them blind, but enough to twist their perception to never be able to get it right.
Jimmy Dore & Glenn Greenwald, among other progressives, are predicting there won’t be anything resulting from this Russian Investigation nonsense. So Trump won’t be imprisoned for it, mostly because Russia didn’t do anything. (i.e. DNC wasn’t hacked, it was an insider leak).
Cenk predicts the opposite. Trump is already done for. The investigation’s very first announcement ended Trump’s reign. It is only a matter of time now.
We will see who is right, but my guess? Those drops in Cenk’s eyes caused him to want SO BADLY for Trump to be gone, that his judgement was impaired to predict a defeat of Trump despite the evidence to the contrary.
It’s only a matter of time before we see who is right, but it’s either Cenk or Jimmy. I am either right about Cenk/Ana/John being tinged by emotion, or Jimmy is wrong & Cenk/Ana/John were the logical ones.
Only one team comes out of this untouched by emotion blinding their judgement because their predictions are polar opposites.
WikiLeaks: Trying to undermine our Democracy and steal the election from Hillary- wow, I didn’t see that coming. And Cenk thinks two wrongs make a right – again, huge surprise, Ugh. Thank you, Ana, for not being the self-righteous, egotistical prick that Cenk is. Hey Cenk, where’s your wallet? No I didn’t STEAL it, I ‘Got Access’ to it! Haha you can’t get me locked up for it all I did was ‘get access’ to it! And for Cenk to bring up Donna Brazile again yet never mentioning the fact that she has retracted or walked back most of her anti-Hillary statements, or her financial stake in that she was trying to sell books is bad journalism, whatever you think of the DNC. Even if he wanted to say “I believe Donna Brazile anyway” right after that I’d like it go. But it’s been a month and not once has TYT presented new facts and new statements because they don’t line up with their own biases. Welcome to Fox News’ club, Cenk.
This first hours is great example why I love TYT. Two progressives discussing differing points of view on the significance of Wikileaks and Trump campaign. Awesome. As far as the drone comment, maybe it was surveillance drone, no munitions?
I’m beyond sick of the present. Lies and more lies on all sides. My blood pressure has gone up 10 points this year and it has nothing to do with diet.
Love seeing Ana back.
TYT. Break the Right Wing trance. They lie with no bonds. Stop honoring Evil behavior.
The Right Wing Liars will tell the Left to look a car is behind while at McD’s & still a fry & the Left will give good reasons why that was wrong.
The Right will say turn around a car is coming the Left will turn around and look again. As a matter of fact the Left gets clobbered. In the Spirit of being fair to complete Liars, Cheats let me tell you thier distraction story about Urainium . Why even cover that story. Stop letting the Right still your fries.
Read the little boy that cried wolf. It will demonstrate how to deal with liars .
Why should the Right change when the Left will do what ever is commanded.
#Rightlues Judgment
Start of the show was good, but I turned it off as soon as they started talking about Russia.
Wahhh wahhhh wahhhhhhh baby hates Russia talk
You guys continually say there was no evidence of rigging in the general election. I wonder, are you aware of the work of Greg Palast? or Mike Farb? Both seem to have uncovered some seriously questionable sh*t. And it doesn’t even have to be Russia related; it’s the GOP’s old trick of making it impossible for people to vote. It actually irritates me quite a bit that you guys never talk about any of this stuff and logically makes me wonder why you don’t and keep on claiming the Dems are so F’d because Trump legit beat them. That really doesn’t seem to be the case. Just the voting machine mess in Detroit alone was enough votes to throw Michigan, my home state. We happily berate Trump all the time for his lack of care about the integrity of our elections, and yet the issue is covered very little on this show, outside of the normal complaints about money in politics. I’d happily sit through the new 13 minutes of Justice Democrats ads you guys are doing at the front of show if you’d spend a little more time covering the investigators uncovering this stuff and trying to make sure people actually get their votes counted. Pretty please, with a cherry on top!
The only good Ben Shapiro made in his debate with Cenk was how he could berate the media for giving so much attention to one candidate, while he did the exact same thing with Bernie. And now we are starting each show with 10 minutes of candidates that are directly related to Cenk. This is making me uncomfortable. It’s less of a news commentary show than a direct commercial outlet for a candidate. The look on Cenk’s face at that point of the debate leads me to believe he himself is slightly troubled with the connection but believes he is doing it for the greater good. Blah blah, I support all of the candidates, I support Cenk, but this is a strange and uncomfortable blend of news and commercials for political candidates. If this keeps going, I’m dropping the sub and will watch from youtube.
I have yet to see anyone explain why sewing chaos in the US benefits Russia at all. I am so sick of this red scare bullshit. Assange wants to try and get his freedom from a man he saw as an easy target for manipulation. As Cenk said he certainly wouldn’t support the woman who wants to kill him so It’s disingenuous to call him pro-trump implying that they agree on anything at all or that it would need Russian involvement to make sense. That’s crap Assange’s motive was self-preservation just as it would be if anyone were in his shoes. Trump may owe Russian banks, that’s it! please move on. You say Trump liking Putin is some sort of clue as if halfwit right-wingers haven’t always bowed down to the tough guy. He likes the Dueterte too, does that mean they colluded? How is Russia considered to be meddling by spending pocket change on Facebook in a political system awash in BILLIONS of dollars? You admit no votes were tampered with so all of this is a non-issue. If the fact that they tried to change some minds is so wrong why do we tolerate generation after generation of domestic propaganda? We have been meddling in elections around the world including Russia forever so those in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones. Even if Russia didn’t want HRC to win is that bad when you take into account that she wanted a no-fly zone in Syria that could have started a world war? seriously ask yourself all of this before you proceed to talk about the next Russia story brought to you by intelligence agencies that always lie (WMD) published by papers that want to continue to provide cover for corporate democratic failures and beat the drums for war.
The issue with the uranium deal has nothing to do with putting us at risk with Russia. It’s the pay-for-play/conflict of interests, favors for a foreign government. Yes, there is evidence that she knew and approved the deal. It is referred to in several Wikileaks which, regardless of what you think of Assange, the emails are real. This has as much if not more evidence as the same claim being made against Trump has. We can’t hold him accountable when we keep letting Dems off. Our credibility on this is compromised by her and Dems behavior.
And, yes, we should be focused on what Trump is saying, but they’re not because of their own compromised position. It is not a coincidence that this is coming out on the heels of Brazile’s book and the corporate reinstatement of their control over the party. Why is it always one or the other?? Why can we NOT call out corruption, compromise, discrepancies, and hypocrisy without being sandblasted for not focusing only on Trump? WE KNOW TRUMP IS AWFUL!! We all want him out, but Dems/Clinton are trying to cover their own back, NOT oust Trump. Dems are spending all their time tearing apart this “rigging” claim, not going after Trump. This is why people have a hard time just moving on and letting it go.
I agree, it is disappointing about Assange, but not really a surprise to me- not because I think he agrees with Trump or Repubs, but because of his persecution feeling (and somewhat rightfully so) with the est Dems and Hillary in particular. I wish he’d been more upfront and not colluded with the Trump campaign, but it doesn’t make the podesta emails untrue or the Dems exonerated because of Assange’s possible motives. I get there is a link now between Assange and the Trump campaign, but I’m still not seeing a link with that and Russia. the Russia collusion seems to be on the financial front, etc. But, whatever.
Again, timing: there are crappy things afoot and it just feels like the snakes are everywhere. I’d sure like to see some proof, though, for some of these claims. I am getting tired of having to take our governments word for it. it has no credibility anymore.
BTW: stacking the deck, colluding with your campaign and the DNC, and buying the nomination, which, I’m sorry, but this legalized briberynad money laundering “baillout “that didn’t bail anyone out but her campaign-which she lost, that secured 50-state superdelegate and state party support for her over Bernie a full year ahead of time, the insistence on including all those bought superdelegate votes in vote totals, the debate schedule, the media black out, the voter suppression, including the illegal purging of 100-200K votes in Brooklyn and other burroughs (right where Hill’s main campaign headquarters were), the ridiculousness that went on in CA, NY, Nevada, Arizona,and elsewhere, I am sorry, but it’s hard to see all of that as anything other than RIGGING. Flipping votes or manipulating voting machines is NOT the only way to rig an election, and it doesn’t take 50 states, either, only certain key states in certain key areas.
And, the dismissal of exit polls and then the cancellation of them with record discrepancies-I am sorry, but there is a preponderance of suspicious incidents, none of which we’re even allowed to talk about without being called conspiracy theorists, Trump supporters, or sexist Bernie Bros. I don’t know about you, but I don’t want this to happen again, and it will. They are already setting it up to make sure in advance. This is why they don’t go after Trump too hard. They want as awful an excuse to win as possible in 2020 without anyone “daring” to vote against the lesser evil for fear of another 4 years of Trump. Anna, take a step back. We can criticize Clinton and the Dems AND stay on Trump. it is possible to do both, and necessary because “moving on” while the Dem elites are still controlling the party and pulling nefarious strings behind the scenes and in the media just isn’t going to fly.
GO Justice Dems, though!!!
Look back no further than Watergate to realize what chaos to a super power does.
10 years of economic and political upheaval and government dysfunction at a critical time in the country.
During this brief period the USSR orchestrated 11 military interventions and coups across the world the biggest was the Spring offensive in Vietnam which sent millions of people as boat refugees despite all the peace agreements signed.
The USSR successfully infiltrated into Latin America using the drug trade to finance left wing guerrillas (who may I remind you were no church ladies, they began the whole mess that reverberate to this day) and indirectly exacerbating the drug war in the US.
All these Soviet successes undermined the US economy by either raising Oil prices and other critical commodities during periods of stagnation, closing export markets to the US, emerging market countries’ credit collapse causing stresses on US banking.
Also look at what happened to the USSR between 82 and 85 when it went through 4 leaders and the collapse of the Soviet empire at an astonishing speed. In 1982 the USSR was still light years ahead of China in 2000 in general macroeconomic terms but the upheaval in succession lead to a mini-purge that destroyed the USSR, Russia and caused millions of deaths and an unprecedented economic collapse.
The US is right now in a critical stage of its existence and with political upheaval comes economic uncertainties and with that comes economic difficulties that open up the way for the Russians to exert their influence and benefit strategically and economically.
and poor ol’ innocent USA was doing nothin’ in Latin America. It was them evil soviets. It had nothing to do with US capitalist interests in the region at all. They was just protectin’ freedom y’all.
I never said the US was ever innocent or did not intervene prior to the Soviet intervention, I said that that Latin America turned violent when the USSR went in and the US does not take kindly to Europeans moving into its turf.
Prior to that the coups and interventions were low key and no where near as bloody as the 80s.
I agree that your internal squabble got in the way of explaining Wikileaks story. Let us hear one side first, without interruption, and then the other side. Otherwise we’re goibg to have to call it a debate and put you on late along side NFL games. ;-)
Go Antoinette Sedillo-Lopez!!! I am so proud to call you my future representative
I’m so glad yall had an intellectual, great argument with each other about two different sides of what people might believe but.. Cenk! Love you man, but let Ana speak! You should absolutely be able to say what you feel and agree with or disagree with about the store but..cmon man! I could barely follow along with you constantly cutting in! I love you guys both and I don’t want this to sound like I’m a jerk and hate one or the other… You guys are down right AMAZE BALLS!!! But c’mon man… (sorry if someone doesn’t agree. I’m just glad I can share my opinion and you can as well) Keep on doing what you do guys! I love the show!!!
Trump A, I
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PS: For you, Ana.
rig
1. manage or conduct (something) fraudulently so as to produce a result or situation that is advantageous to a particular person.
Additionally, while there is little evidence votes were changed there is plenty voters were purged. That does change the votes.
Canada is not our adversary Cenk, it’s a weak sauce argument.
He’s totally wrong on the time framing the money was given to foundation 3 years before the decision to sell that company. The oligarch that was giving the money divested before she was even in the state department. Kinda playing loose with the exact facts they had a former FBI who investigated that deal come out and talk about it. How they determined there was no there- there.
Does anyone know what Ana is talking about when she says Wiki “refused” to talk about or do any work on the Panama Papers issue?
Thanks Gigi❤️
Anyone who has followed Wikileaks over time knows that they are most definitely not ‘pro-Trump’. Being strongly anti-Clinton (just as many people around the world are who are not blinded by our MSM bs/political bs) does not make you pro-Trump. Assange knows that dude is a hateful idiot who will NOT have a transparent government, so why would he be for that? He wouldn’t be. It makes no sense. I think Wiki knew they had support by Trumpsters/and the Trumps themselves, just by virtue of spilling Hillary beans, so they tried to use it to get more info out of these jamokes, hence the ‘chummy’ communication.
I am really tired of the semantical argument over whether or not certain people/groups were anti-Clinton or pro-Trump. It really honestly couldn’t matter less. Did they help Trump? Yes. End of story moving on you can defend them all you want but this argument like all arguments over semantics is weak
I kind of agree. It again shows how much Assange hated Hillary (that was obvious as fuck when he came out pushing the Seth Rich conspiracy), and how astronomically terrible HRC was as a candidate. But that does not mean Assange was not pro Trump/Russia. In my opinion the tax return BS, and suggesting Trump not concede if he lost proves that. I agree with Cenk. I think people want to believe what they want to believe even when presented with the facts. It’s messed up because Wikileaks has done so much good. I think they should (and they definitely will) expose more shit and do more good…but my view of them has been skewed from wanting to call out and expose the corrupt establishment, to wanting to watch the world burn. And without a doubt, Assange is more narcissistic and self-serving than we’d like to believe. Huge fucking letdown.
Julian has been in jail for a very long time.
Your word “biasees”(spelled so that you see the mispronunciation). It’s a simple plural…biases.
Easy peasy. Don’t make things more complex than necessary.
BTW, I sure missed Old School last week. That’s a hint.
Seems fine pronounced as is.
Skully is correct on the pronunciation, but I had assumed Ana was just being sardonic in her delivery to make a point…but I could be wrong.
Cenk looks Drunk or High. Lol.
It might be just lack of sleep. But but man you can really tell he’s a little slow today.
You Cenk. Lay off the Sauce until you finish the show. Lol
Always nice having Cenk here and no late upload bs drama.
Thanks Gigi!
YES, Gigi….
Great work~!
Big thanks.
~Upaya~