Post Game November 8, 2017

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Hannah Cranston, Brett Erlich, and Amberia Allen. This Post Game is all about ‘Locker Room Talk’. What is it like in your locker room? Are there as many confidently-naked people in yours as in mine? Every host has a unique experiences.


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  1. Brett sounds like the typical person that envy people that are fit, because they unintentionally make him feel bad about his body. If you feel bad about your body then exercise and stay healthy.

  2. Hey Brett – you know who else gets popular for sharing their naked body? Larger people! Not ONLY “conventionally attractive women” receive attention when exposing themselves. They aren’t “pulling ahead” at the expense of alternative forms of beauties.

    You’re also making the false assumption that all “conventionally attractive women” don’t struggle to have a positive image of themselves. It’s important for ALL voices to be actively preaching body positivity. ALL people who struggle deserve positive representation. Large women, skinny women, average women, men of all shapes and sizes, trans people, people of colour, and so on. The solution is never to suppress a demographic. We learn love and acceptance by working together.

    Also, people can simultaneously showcase their intellect AND their body, if that’s what they want to do.

  3. Someone needs to call HR about Hannah.
    Hannah: You need to retake debate maybe. Usually the one who talks the loudest, interrupts and gestures a pen at the other person to shush them is the one on the losing side. Not that I agree with Brett 100% , you just listened to his idea for a few seconds and then said he was wrong, kept trying to silence him and started talking faster and louder. At least Amberia piggy backed Brett’s points, asked questions about what exactly he meant and followed up with her opinion. She didn’t force it like you did.

  4. This was a VERY interesting conversation about body image. I heard great things from all of the contributors. This subject has some real depth, and I’m thankful to have heard the discussion.

    I wasn’t much of a fan of today’s 2nd hour, but this back-n-forth during the post game was quite solid.

    I would like to see real NEWS with serious commentary in the main show, and a looser context in the post game. This post game delivered.

    Hey Cenk, think of it this way…

    The main show is like the main course, where as the post game is like a fun dessert.

    I sense that’s kind of what you’re going for, but the second course/hour failed and the post game delivered something really tasty.

    The 2nd course sucked, but the dessert was delicious!

  5. Hooboy this post game was rough. I don’t agree at all with Brett. Part of being body positive is accepting all bodies of all shapes and sizes. If you think that no one should be shamed for posting pictures of their body, then you can’t at the same time tell someone to “show their intellect, not their body” if they’re handsome/pretty (really Brett?). When an Instagram model posts a picture, the conversation should be how hard that person must work to stay in the shape they’re in, not that they’re promoting an unrealistic body image. Unless that person is portraying himself/herself as better than other people or what everyone should strive to be criticism of that person’s body is uncalled for, just as it would be if a fat person posted a picture on Instagram and you called them out for being fat.

    On a different note, I’m not sure if Hannah was kidding when she said she walked around naked in front of people that didn’t agree to see her naked, but I would just like to point out that it would be a very different conversation if it was your average guy doing that rather than an attractive young woman. I’m all for everyone feeling comfortable in their own skin, and if your friends are cool with you answering the door naked then you do you, but in my opinion that’s dangerously close to being the old man in the locker room.

  6. It seems to me like Hannah is very quick to call out others for their privilege, but has a glaring blind spot when it comes to her own privileges. It makes her arguments come off as very self serving sometimes.

    1. Yes. She loves talking about privilege; unless its about her own as a conventionally attractive white woman.

      Hannah: You have privilege being a conventionally attractive white woman. It’s not your fault, so don’t get defensive. We expect that from undereducated jocks, not college graduates on TYT. We expect you to be able to recognize the disadvantage your privilege gives to OTHER women. That shouldn’t even have to be argued.

      Now, the discussion should be, what responsibility does Hannah have to these other women? She talks about passing the mic (she repeated it about five times so we heard you girl) to other women on her show, so we know she gets the concept, but what Brett was arguing was that just as Hannah “passes the mic to women of diversity” on her show, she should “pass the mic to women of different body types” in her everyday life of casual privilege.

      1. Hannah also talks a lot about her own experiences with negative self image/body issues/mental health so there is a chance she doesn’t actually see herself as being privileged in the way others can and is still in the ‘i have accepted and now love my body’ stage of… whatever she may be recovering from.

        She might not be there (recognizing her priv) yet, and discussions like this can give her other perspectives outside of her own.

        Important not to pile on her, while at the same time, suggesting she listen and consider other views outside her experience.

        As I wrote below – i think all the hosts are great and this was a worthy discussion!

  7. After watching Hannah for the last three days, I have found her to be completely hypocritical and rude to her co-hosts. She is constantly putting words in their mouths, and particularly today, putting words in their mouths. She shamed Brett for not sharing her opinion and it was so unprofessional. Not to mention that her style, in general, is unprofessional and is just not someone I want to watch. She is obviously intelligent. Just completely unlikeable.

  8. So Hannah doesn’t want to receive unsolicited dick pics but she subjects her roommates to her walking around fully nude? Am I the only one who thinks this is really hypocritical? You can’t conflate body positivity with unsolicited nudity.

  9. My comment got deleted? Are you fucking serious? Authoritarian horseshit. Gigi? For real? Because I said someone was being “Ctrl-Left”? Sometimes the Right is NOT wrong about some things, as Cenk will admit also. I’m Left Libertarian in the middle of the lower Left quadrant on the political compass. Not trolling. It’s honest progressive but non-authoritarian opinion. Why magnify my criticism by deleting my comment? Is it because you can’t call it sexist since I extolled Ana as a powerful woman in it also? Or because I wanted women & people of color to debate her to maybe get her not to be so controlling on the panel? I maybe conflating posts but if we don’t know why something was deleted or track with what was deleted how can behavior change? Or is it just about silencing opinion? Site limits are probably not intentional but I just mean in the situation, how can I not make the same mistake if I made one in the deleted comment if I don’t know what all it was? Are you angry I suggested she was an intellectual equal to be debated on equal ground or just that I was challenging at all as a man? Am I not allowed?

    1. I’m a caveman, & got the threads confused. Shame…shame…. I apologize for this jumping to conclusions that my comment was deleted . Changed my name to wear my failure.

  10. The conversation that Bret is attempting to put forward is an extremely valuable one. Not sure I agree and the problem here is not that Hannah doesn’t agree, but rather that she is attempting to shame Bret for posing a question.

    1. Agreed- its important to keep an open mind on these types of discussions…but in the heat of the moment, its difficult. We’re all human! At first, I was with the gals, like what?? No – don’t blame pretty girls for being pretty – but that’s not what he was trying to draw attention to. I think what he was saying is that “some” woman capitalize on their beauty and they are perpetuating what is considered traditionally beautiful… which can be a backward step for ALL women, in that ALL women have a beauty all their own, and its like art – subjective. So to young girls – point out the fact that they can be more than just what you are perceived to be visually.

  11. As a beautiful woman, I can understand Hannah’s reluctance to accept criticism for what she’s doing, as it’s not wrong. However, her inability to reflect on other people’s thoughts and her defensiveness whenever those issues come up is grating. If you don’t love your body, and you want to change it, you don’t want other people telling you that you should love your body regardless. It’s really a personal issue, and people are projecting their anger onto the privileged, but it doesn’t make it hurt any less. Try telling someone with diabetes to love their body.
    Amberia had the most concise arguments, while I appreciate Brett’s ambition in trying to explore the issue.

    1. She in many ways examples a considerable lack of consideration of others, and is a little quick to defend the “thirsty” on IG and the like. Thirst is real folks! You being confident in your body doesn’t eject you from being a selfish git. With that said, Hannah has gotten better over time but for real though, she needs to listen to the panel more than she interjects and interrupts. Her style works great on TYT U, more informal and giggly and firmly in the vernacular of her fellow millennials; on the main show her style is whatever the opposite of rudderless is… :P

      p.s. Hannah. Noticed a hand tick that is your shush move, it is very rude. I agree with most of your points though (save for the nonsense slut shaming comment you threw in there, that was insane) and glad to see you grow into more roles on the network!

  12. BTW to Brett’s original gym/locker room story point about older men being more comfortable with their naked bodies, could it have something to do with the fact that many folks lose more and more eyesight as they age so that the older guys don’t either realize how they look themselves (“good” or “bad” or anywhere in that spectrum) AND how close they’re necessarily standing to Brett/another male?

  13. There should be a naked pillow-fighting area in BOTH locker rooms for gender-equality purposes! And some gym have pillows there for you, and at some places it’s BYOP, etc.

    “Hi and welcome to the 23-hour Gym Cafe, I’m Hannah, I’ll be your server today” … (10 minutes later)… “Waitress, there’s a nipple-hair in my Martini…”

    SHAME! SHAME! SHAME! *Ding Ding!* jk :-P

    PS- Mariah Carey sexually harassed me in the pillow-fight room yesterday! (not!)
    PPS- Brett, I think there’s a difference in a locker room where your body isn’t photoshop’d (sp?) or “fake” from surgeries like a “Hollywood” or “Magazine Cover” body often does; in the gym you’re (I assume) working on your body the hard way, through work and effort and sweat and not portraying an unrealistic standard as “natural”. AND Brett, I love ya man, but you did this to yourself (“Let’s talk about locker room stories!”).

    BREAKING NEWS: The body of one Brett Erlich was found dead from multiple stab wounds at the conclusion of work on Wednesday. No suspect has been arrested yet and the police report the only clue left at the crime scene was a long, blonde hair….

  14. The old guys are hitting on Bret they just don’t know how to come out but I realy think we need a behind the scenes on Hannah’s morning routine in the interest of science and body positivity . Fitness is an aspect of phisical intelligence and I’m sure Hanna puts great effort and discipline into her shape. I don’t consider that privilege though she may have age or socialy conditioned pretext advantage about caloric intake and active life style that helps her achieve slender wirery hotness but some people don’t consider that healthy and are comfortable with a little more cushion and insulation and that’s ok to sport it flaunt it . I like a board short hairy leg tan line in speedos and a little ivory white haltered belly Flubber for full impression to start my workout season. What? You know your intrigued!

  15. Great postgame! good points on all sides – as a fat lady though… with ‘body positivity’…. it’s going to be very individual. You can’t just blanket state that all women/men should ‘love their bodies’. My body is a dickhead and does not behave the way I want it to, does not respond well to attempts to heal it, change it, shed weight etc – nada! I do not love my body, and not just because I’m fat, I have medical body issues which I would still have were I skinny – I’d probably get more dates, but i’d still think my body was a dickhead a lot of the time. It’s mostly down to genes which you can’t help but you also don’t have to be in blind appreciation of, just because you can’t change it. I’ll always try to lose weight and be healthy because I don’t want to die in 10 years, and because i do not like how i feel – my body’s external presentation is not what fits in my mind’s eye of who I am. hard to explain, but i’ve gotten to the point where I dont care if no one understands that bit anymore.

    I think it’s fabulous if you can ‘love the skin you’re in’ and try to get others to feel that way too, but perhaps try and also be aware that that is simply not an option for a lot of people, regardless of whether conventional beauty standards play a role or not (but don’t discount the effect that also has either!). We’re all just sacks of meat surrounding a bunch of organs and brain. Body image should be immaterial but that’s just no the world we live in right now!

    I think you’re all great humans btw and I love it when you all appear on the main show!

    1. Hey, I get where you are coming from.

      Do you think that thin, well-known people with bodies like Hannah, who like Hannah, who have a lot of followers, are being body positive or body negative for the average person when they post pictures of themselves in lingerie? If not, is it their responsibility as women?

      First, I don’t even know what kind of pictures Hannah posts. I have never looked at her instagram account. Second, I don’t know what the right answer is here. Just wondering what your opinion is here. I think its an interesting question though.

  16. Men are from Mars Women are from Venus thats what I got from this post game, also add to and read the book
    “The Naked Ape”

  17. I loved this post game show. I liked the different sides that everyone gave. :-) Brett, I think you’re cute.

  18. Just read today about a new nude restaurant in Paris. You remove clothes to eat. Servers are clothed. This Post Game reminded me of this news.

  19. I agree with all of the panel to a large degree, Hanna was being a little her own perspective but I could largely agree with what her point was, but came off way too politically correct, and not in a good way lol

  20. Bret you were so close to the point I think you were making. Treating beauty as a privilege that should be understood and recognized, but not something you should be embarrassed about or shamed for. The analogy I believe you were going for was beauty privilege can be like white privilege. If you post something about being super successful and how the world is all sunshine and rainbows… and you’re white, chances are there was some level of privilege that played a role (not saying it always does just that it could have been a factor systemically). If you are conventionally beautiful and you post an instagram photo with a hashtag of “#SoComforableInMySkin” there’s absolutely nothing wrong, but if you aren’t willing to admit that you are what society considers conventionally beautiful then you are willfully turning a blind eye on the issue, or being willfully ignorant.

  21. I think Brett was awesome and love that he did not back down in the face of Hannah being sort of a bully.

    Someone’s instagram picture does not necessarily reflect their intent and Hannah is giving all women a blanket benefit of “body positive promoters” when it can at times (even at large) be something more shallow and attention seeking.

    Signed,
    Unconventional body viewer.

  22. .”…..being judged for something people want to see”
    Amberia nails it, while Hannah and Bret circle around. She won this round.

  23. What’s with the playback? Has anyone else experienced any issues? I can’t even watch it. Keeps looping and repeating either a sentence or just a phrase around the time they’re talking abut manspreading and the YMCA……i’ve noticed this happening with some of the other Postgames, too, just every once in a while, but it’s becoming more frequent, it seems. Any tips gladly accepted! Thanks all.

    1. The playback issue happens to me when my data connection isn’t very strong such as when I’m watching on my phone using cellular data. It’s not just with the post game but other shows too. I haven’t experienced it when watching at home.

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