I know that Cenk was being hyperbolic when he said “I believe Donald Trump has warped the time-space continuum … [space-time] cannot contain all of the stories he and his cronies create”, but being a physicist, this was a tantalizing scenario to analyze. Namely, how much information would be required to foment the creation of a black-hole — a space-time warping that the information could not escape back out of.
The answer that I got was, in the pinnacle of communication that is Twitter, 10^92 tweets. If that many tweets were created, the energy density should be great enough to cause the formation of a singularity. This is unimaginably huge. To put it into perspective, if everyone on the planet began tweeting once every 20 s, it would take 10^66 ages of the universe to create a black hole through tweeting. That’s easier to grasp, but only barely as that’s still unimaginably huge. At least his 4 AM twitter rants can only be the proximate cause of our demise.
This was a very rough calculation. A couple of my colleagues have suggested publishing it for fun rather than serious research; if I do that, I can post a link here if anyone is interested in the details.
Walid Phares, the Lebanese guy you were talking about, is one of the most vile creatures to walk on this earth. In addition to being a christian supremacist fascist during the civil war he is a leading Islamophobe and even his own Phalangist fascists decry him as too extreme.
Guys, it is not unusual for Americans to have multiple passports. Not every country we do business with is friendly toward every other country we do business with. For example, if you tried to enter Saudi Arabia or other Arab countries with a passport showing you had recently been to Israel, you were guaranteed a round of interrogation, or at the very least a LONG clearance process though customs. It was just better to carry different passports.
And if you had reason to travel to Saudi Arabia, Israel and Iran, you had damned well better have three separate passports to avoid problems.
Another example:
If you were an American doing business in Ukraine, a country which our CIA and State Dept. (Victoria Nuland) were actively trying to turn away from Russia and set up as a puppet client state of the US, then you would probably not want to go into Russia with a passport that showed you had spent time in Kiev.
Jason Bourne had multiple passports FROM MULTIPLE COUNTRIES. That is a massive difference which I am surprised escaped your attention.
On the passports issue, from first hand experience for both me and fellow colleagues in the company I work in, Nonsense.
As for the Victoria Nuland nonsense, go to Ukraine and tell the Ukrainians that they are puppets and their revolution and elections are fake and see how would that work out for you.
Deflecting from Trump’s deepening troubles is not going to work.
The view on passports is based on my personal experience and the experience of people I have worked with in the chemical industry, the automotive industry and the military supply industry. I don’t know what industry you are working in – or when – but nothing you say can change the facts that I have seen with my own two eyes.
Don’t be a jerk, OK? Everyone agrees that it its not illegal to have multiple passports. I am providing a valid reason for that to be, and one that is based on facts that I have witnessed. I am not deflecting, I am not defending. I simply feel that “going after” Trump and his lackeys to the point where you no longer use valid reasoning is counterproductive, and simply being a rabid reflection of some mirror-image FOX viewer is not helping.
Regarding Ukraine, I suggest you just look up “Victoria Nuland tapes”. The Americans engineered the overthrow of a democratically elected government in Ukraine and replaced them with LITERAL NAZIS. This should not come as a surprise to anyone with even a modicum of historical knowledge about US foreign policy.
I’ve been wondering the same @AllanahJane, where is Shaun King? He’s now working for the Intercept and lead the crusade in identifying the white supremacists that attacked DeAndre Harris in Charlottesville. He’s doing great work so where is he on TYT?
So let me get this straight, because Democrats have lost so many races against Republicans and too many state legislatures, so what will help in getting us enough votes to take them back? Fracturing the f’ing Democratic Party and spending our time fighting with ourselves and punching ourselves in the face? Seriously? I’m sorry Cenk, I understand your motives, but this will fail, and you’re leading that failure. This is a terrible, terrible idea.
Also John Iadarola stole my tablecloth and is wearing it as a shirt!
More extremism and less compromise is not the answer. That’s how we f’ing got into this mess to begin with, with the TEA Party. Will “Justice Democrats” follow the rules? Will they shut down the government? More zealots is not a good idea. I agree many of the Reps & Senators need to be voted out, but they shouldn’t be replaced with some kind of “Uber-Democrat” that has to meet Cenk’s litmus test in order to run. NO THANKS!
You are the extreme, because Corporate DNC Neolibs WILL NOT compromise with Progressives. They kicked off all the Progressives on the DNC board, so HOW is that compromising?
Apparently, compromise means, “Do everything I say. STFU and obey what Clintoncrats want. The Consultant Class needs more Bank, and we need more golden calves to worship. Screw the working poor, middle class, women, minorities, college students. They can STFU and OBEY.”
You seem to think Progressives are extreme like …
Abolitionists, Suffragettes, Civil Rights Activists, Union Organizers, Anti-War demonstrators, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Martin Luther King … shall I go on?
Most Democratic voters are progressive — that’s why Bernie enjoys an 80% approval rating among registered Dems. The people out of touch with the party base are Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer.
The extremists are the Establishment Dems who are to the right of Ronald Reagan and, like Dianne Feinstein, want tax cuts for the wealthy, tax cuts for corporations, more military spending, more wars, the Death penalty, and privatization of public programs.
Yes, Deb-n-NCal! Completely Agree!
I just don’t understand the logic of NOT supporting the most popular politician in the country. If the Republicans had someone with the same nationwide positive numbers, we would be sick of hearing their name. Fox News would be bragging about them 24/7!
It’s just foolish & backward thinking to not see that the mood of the country is anti-corporate.
Having affordable healthcare & college is NOT a conservative OR progressive issue!
Why are some people so blind to this?
Hey dratheart, please explain HOW corporate Neolibs have been WINNING? WHERE?
What a giant load of horse shit. In your words, “punching ourselves in the face,” you mean like doing the SAME goddamn thing over and over and expecting different results? You mean like LOSING?
Republicans will NEVER vote for ANY DEMOCRAT. NEVER. No matter how much they are exactly like a Republican. So how does becoming MORE conservative work? WHEN?
When we are ALL working poor and there is a tiny handful of Mega Rich?
Fuck the DNC & the gold-plated, corporately owned donkey they road in on.
If that’s the most diplomatic you can be my friend, you have a problem. Anger, Hate, Frustration, Fear… These are things to avoid. If we start compromising our principles as Democrats, then are we really Democrats anymore? We’re supposed to (usually) be the folks who take the high road, who don’t cheat- people who go after what we can reasonably get. I want HOPE. I want HELP. I want to be proud of the person I cast my for (such as when I voted for Wendy Davis for TX Governor). I’ve seen what extremism does, I watched in horror for example as “my” Senator, Ted Cruz, shut down the government. He was angry too. He was willing to throw members of his own party under the bus. He was willing to fuck us all over for his “principles” and people who “didn’t want to take it anymore”. Now you ask me to support that kind of politics just because these people will have (D) after their name? No thank you. We have to find a way to live with and love our fellow Americans on the other side of the political fence. We need them to get on board, to work together with us. That won’t happen by alienating them and making them feel like their under some kind of attack. I don’t want Antifa running the House/Senate/Presidency/Supreme Court any more than I want the “Alt-Right” or TEA Party to. You have fun and make next year another 1968 Democratic Convention- but I won’t be a part of it and neither will the many millions of my fellow Americans who are Centrists and Moderates.
Angry? Good damn right I’m angry! Neolibs have consistently LOST ground.
They have succeeded in making Dems look WEAK, wishy washy, stand for nothing except what their Owners pay for, which is MORE privatization of the country.
How has that worked for actual citizens? Seems a pretty shitty track record.
Keep telling yourself your the “sensible” one.
If you believe Antifa is the equivalent of Nazis and the Tea Party, then I you are too far gone down the “Do-Nothing” rabbit hole. Stand still. Don’t change, don’t try a different tactic.
Keep doing the SAME thing without allowing ANY fresh blood into the Democratic Party.
How has moving towards conservatives & Republicans worked out for Democrats?
Tell me how many elections the DNC/Clintoncrats are beating Republicans with this strategy?
Oh and I forgot to fact check your statement of “No Republican will Vote for a Democrat EVER”; in regards to that, I seem to recall that both President Bush’s voted for Hillary, as well as Barbara Bush, Laura Bush, and Jeb Bush. They were all very public, open and honest about that, and said it on air/tape. One of my healthcare professionals who is also a friend and a “Reagan Republican” was also disgusted enough with Trump that she voted for Hillary as well.
Republicans voted for Hillary because SHE WAS A REPUBLICAN. She was running as Obama 3.0, and Obama openly admitted he “never said [he] was a liberal” and that his policies were that of a “moderate Republican.”
Hillary was a Goldwater Girl. She did not come to be a Democrat because she became a progressive; she became a Democrat because she and Bill saw a way to leverage the GOP’s “Southern Strategy” against them by paying lip service to liberal issues (public face) while giving tongue baths to Wall Street and Corporate America (private face).
So yes, The country club Republicans who are OK with abortion and civil rights will happily vote for a neolib DLC centrist DINO like Obama or Hillary, because they are willing to stomp on the working class, oppose unions, broaden the executive power, cut taxes for the rich, expand fracking and fossil fuels and most importantly, keep the War Machine and the MIC at full capacity.
Fracturing the party? I remind you that membership in the Democratic Party PLUMMETED by 30% while Obama was in office, and now it only represents 26% of the electorate. There is not much left to fracture.
OTOH, 92% of Democrats support Bernie Sanders and the JD agenda. And 90% of Americans in general support the ONE and ONLY “litmus test” for a Justice Dem – getting money out of politics.
So – if you think splitting the party 92/8 is a “fracturing” then you have another think coming.
The fucking democratic party needs to be ‘punched in the face.’ What good will it do to come together, bow our heads to the corporate leaders of the party and vote for corporate dems? I am sick of voting for democrats who act and vote exactly like republicans. I’ve voted for dems all my life (I’m 67) but I’ll NEVER vote for one again unless he/she renounces corporate cash. A third party with someone like Sanders at the helm would be far better than the current corporate democratic party.
Apparently it’s legally ambiguous. Under Article II, Section 2, Clause 1, presidents have “power to grant reprieves and pardons for offences against the United States, except in cases of impeachment”. It doesn’t actually say that the president can’t pardon himself, and legal experts seem like they’re divided as to whether a president could legally do it.
Whether it’s a disgusting abuse of power or not is another question. There’d be a ton of outrage, etc, etc, but when has that ever stopped Trump from acting like a baboon?
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I know that Cenk was being hyperbolic when he said “I believe Donald Trump has warped the time-space continuum … [space-time] cannot contain all of the stories he and his cronies create”, but being a physicist, this was a tantalizing scenario to analyze. Namely, how much information would be required to foment the creation of a black-hole — a space-time warping that the information could not escape back out of.
The answer that I got was, in the pinnacle of communication that is Twitter, 10^92 tweets. If that many tweets were created, the energy density should be great enough to cause the formation of a singularity. This is unimaginably huge. To put it into perspective, if everyone on the planet began tweeting once every 20 s, it would take 10^66 ages of the universe to create a black hole through tweeting. That’s easier to grasp, but only barely as that’s still unimaginably huge. At least his 4 AM twitter rants can only be the proximate cause of our demise.
This was a very rough calculation. A couple of my colleagues have suggested publishing it for fun rather than serious research; if I do that, I can post a link here if anyone is interested in the details.
As an engineering student, with a physics minor, I would love to see your calculations!
Walid Phares, the Lebanese guy you were talking about, is one of the most vile creatures to walk on this earth. In addition to being a christian supremacist fascist during the civil war he is a leading Islamophobe and even his own Phalangist fascists decry him as too extreme.
Only Etienne Saqr is more despicable.
The FBI still does not classify Charleston as terrorism:
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/19/us/charleston-shooting-terrorism-or-hate-crime.html?_r=0
And that was under Obama. Trump defended the White Supremacists and did not call it terrorism either.
And a majority of Americans seem to agree.
This is not speculation, this is unfortunately the reality.
Guys, it is not unusual for Americans to have multiple passports. Not every country we do business with is friendly toward every other country we do business with. For example, if you tried to enter Saudi Arabia or other Arab countries with a passport showing you had recently been to Israel, you were guaranteed a round of interrogation, or at the very least a LONG clearance process though customs. It was just better to carry different passports.
And if you had reason to travel to Saudi Arabia, Israel and Iran, you had damned well better have three separate passports to avoid problems.
Another example:
If you were an American doing business in Ukraine, a country which our CIA and State Dept. (Victoria Nuland) were actively trying to turn away from Russia and set up as a puppet client state of the US, then you would probably not want to go into Russia with a passport that showed you had spent time in Kiev.
Jason Bourne had multiple passports FROM MULTIPLE COUNTRIES. That is a massive difference which I am surprised escaped your attention.
Also the multiple passports had multiple different names on them.
Yep. I tell you, sometimes the TYT team are so enthusiastic about attacking the Trumpists that they lose their power of reason. Very worrying.
On the passports issue, from first hand experience for both me and fellow colleagues in the company I work in, Nonsense.
As for the Victoria Nuland nonsense, go to Ukraine and tell the Ukrainians that they are puppets and their revolution and elections are fake and see how would that work out for you.
Deflecting from Trump’s deepening troubles is not going to work.
The view on passports is based on my personal experience and the experience of people I have worked with in the chemical industry, the automotive industry and the military supply industry. I don’t know what industry you are working in – or when – but nothing you say can change the facts that I have seen with my own two eyes.
Don’t be a jerk, OK? Everyone agrees that it its not illegal to have multiple passports. I am providing a valid reason for that to be, and one that is based on facts that I have witnessed. I am not deflecting, I am not defending. I simply feel that “going after” Trump and his lackeys to the point where you no longer use valid reasoning is counterproductive, and simply being a rabid reflection of some mirror-image FOX viewer is not helping.
Regarding Ukraine, I suggest you just look up “Victoria Nuland tapes”. The Americans engineered the overthrow of a democratically elected government in Ukraine and replaced them with LITERAL NAZIS. This should not come as a surprise to anyone with even a modicum of historical knowledge about US foreign policy.
https://www.counterpunch.org/2015/04/14/ukraine-the-truth/
Do you ever talk about anything else besides Trump???? I’m not even going to watch this. I know all about Trump. Tell me something I don’t know!
I’ve been wondering the same @AllanahJane, where is Shaun King? He’s now working for the Intercept and lead the crusade in identifying the white supremacists that attacked DeAndre Harris in Charlottesville. He’s doing great work so where is he on TYT?
Serious question, what does Sean king contribute? Only seen him on the show during fundraising drive WTF
So let me get this straight, because Democrats have lost so many races against Republicans and too many state legislatures, so what will help in getting us enough votes to take them back? Fracturing the f’ing Democratic Party and spending our time fighting with ourselves and punching ourselves in the face? Seriously? I’m sorry Cenk, I understand your motives, but this will fail, and you’re leading that failure. This is a terrible, terrible idea.
Also John Iadarola stole my tablecloth and is wearing it as a shirt!
So what, establishment Democrats KEEP losing seats? Democrats hurt their own cause by stuff-arming progressives of the Party.
I don’t believe your home has a table clothe.
More extremism and less compromise is not the answer. That’s how we f’ing got into this mess to begin with, with the TEA Party. Will “Justice Democrats” follow the rules? Will they shut down the government? More zealots is not a good idea. I agree many of the Reps & Senators need to be voted out, but they shouldn’t be replaced with some kind of “Uber-Democrat” that has to meet Cenk’s litmus test in order to run. NO THANKS!
You are the extreme, because Corporate DNC Neolibs WILL NOT compromise with Progressives. They kicked off all the Progressives on the DNC board, so HOW is that compromising?
Apparently, compromise means, “Do everything I say. STFU and obey what Clintoncrats want. The Consultant Class needs more Bank, and we need more golden calves to worship. Screw the working poor, middle class, women, minorities, college students. They can STFU and OBEY.”
You seem to think Progressives are extreme like …
Abolitionists, Suffragettes, Civil Rights Activists, Union Organizers, Anti-War demonstrators, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Martin Luther King … shall I go on?
Most Democratic voters are progressive — that’s why Bernie enjoys an 80% approval rating among registered Dems. The people out of touch with the party base are Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer.
The extremists are the Establishment Dems who are to the right of Ronald Reagan and, like Dianne Feinstein, want tax cuts for the wealthy, tax cuts for corporations, more military spending, more wars, the Death penalty, and privatization of public programs.
“Centrism” is code for corporatism.
Yes, Deb-n-NCal! Completely Agree!
I just don’t understand the logic of NOT supporting the most popular politician in the country. If the Republicans had someone with the same nationwide positive numbers, we would be sick of hearing their name. Fox News would be bragging about them 24/7!
It’s just foolish & backward thinking to not see that the mood of the country is anti-corporate.
Having affordable healthcare & college is NOT a conservative OR progressive issue!
Why are some people so blind to this?
Hey dratheart, please explain HOW corporate Neolibs have been WINNING? WHERE?
What a giant load of horse shit. In your words, “punching ourselves in the face,” you mean like doing the SAME goddamn thing over and over and expecting different results? You mean like LOSING?
Republicans will NEVER vote for ANY DEMOCRAT. NEVER. No matter how much they are exactly like a Republican. So how does becoming MORE conservative work? WHEN?
When we are ALL working poor and there is a tiny handful of Mega Rich?
Fuck the DNC & the gold-plated, corporately owned donkey they road in on.
If that’s the most diplomatic you can be my friend, you have a problem. Anger, Hate, Frustration, Fear… These are things to avoid. If we start compromising our principles as Democrats, then are we really Democrats anymore? We’re supposed to (usually) be the folks who take the high road, who don’t cheat- people who go after what we can reasonably get. I want HOPE. I want HELP. I want to be proud of the person I cast my for (such as when I voted for Wendy Davis for TX Governor). I’ve seen what extremism does, I watched in horror for example as “my” Senator, Ted Cruz, shut down the government. He was angry too. He was willing to throw members of his own party under the bus. He was willing to fuck us all over for his “principles” and people who “didn’t want to take it anymore”. Now you ask me to support that kind of politics just because these people will have (D) after their name? No thank you. We have to find a way to live with and love our fellow Americans on the other side of the political fence. We need them to get on board, to work together with us. That won’t happen by alienating them and making them feel like their under some kind of attack. I don’t want Antifa running the House/Senate/Presidency/Supreme Court any more than I want the “Alt-Right” or TEA Party to. You have fun and make next year another 1968 Democratic Convention- but I won’t be a part of it and neither will the many millions of my fellow Americans who are Centrists and Moderates.
Angry? Good damn right I’m angry! Neolibs have consistently LOST ground.
They have succeeded in making Dems look WEAK, wishy washy, stand for nothing except what their Owners pay for, which is MORE privatization of the country.
How has that worked for actual citizens? Seems a pretty shitty track record.
Keep telling yourself your the “sensible” one.
If you believe Antifa is the equivalent of Nazis and the Tea Party, then I you are too far gone down the “Do-Nothing” rabbit hole. Stand still. Don’t change, don’t try a different tactic.
Keep doing the SAME thing without allowing ANY fresh blood into the Democratic Party.
How has moving towards conservatives & Republicans worked out for Democrats?
Tell me how many elections the DNC/Clintoncrats are beating Republicans with this strategy?
How many? Go ahead, I’ll wait.
Oh and I forgot to fact check your statement of “No Republican will Vote for a Democrat EVER”; in regards to that, I seem to recall that both President Bush’s voted for Hillary, as well as Barbara Bush, Laura Bush, and Jeb Bush. They were all very public, open and honest about that, and said it on air/tape. One of my healthcare professionals who is also a friend and a “Reagan Republican” was also disgusted enough with Trump that she voted for Hillary as well.
That’s because the Bushes & Clintons & Obamas are all part of the SAME OLIGARCHY.
Tell me again about all the wins Clintoncrats have?
Republicans voted for Hillary because SHE WAS A REPUBLICAN. She was running as Obama 3.0, and Obama openly admitted he “never said [he] was a liberal” and that his policies were that of a “moderate Republican.”
Hillary was a Goldwater Girl. She did not come to be a Democrat because she became a progressive; she became a Democrat because she and Bill saw a way to leverage the GOP’s “Southern Strategy” against them by paying lip service to liberal issues (public face) while giving tongue baths to Wall Street and Corporate America (private face).
So yes, The country club Republicans who are OK with abortion and civil rights will happily vote for a neolib DLC centrist DINO like Obama or Hillary, because they are willing to stomp on the working class, oppose unions, broaden the executive power, cut taxes for the rich, expand fracking and fossil fuels and most importantly, keep the War Machine and the MIC at full capacity.
Fracturing the party? I remind you that membership in the Democratic Party PLUMMETED by 30% while Obama was in office, and now it only represents 26% of the electorate. There is not much left to fracture.
OTOH, 92% of Democrats support Bernie Sanders and the JD agenda. And 90% of Americans in general support the ONE and ONLY “litmus test” for a Justice Dem – getting money out of politics.
So – if you think splitting the party 92/8 is a “fracturing” then you have another think coming.
dratheart’s view is flawed and ridiculous.
chetzmom’s, Deb-n-NCAL’s & Euroyankee’s perspectives make sense about despicable corporate-controlled DNC’ers and their greedy flunkies.
The fucking democratic party needs to be ‘punched in the face.’ What good will it do to come together, bow our heads to the corporate leaders of the party and vote for corporate dems? I am sick of voting for democrats who act and vote exactly like republicans. I’ve voted for dems all my life (I’m 67) but I’ll NEVER vote for one again unless he/she renounces corporate cash. A third party with someone like Sanders at the helm would be far better than the current corporate democratic party.
Cenk, the President cannot pardon himself/herself.
Apparently it’s legally ambiguous. Under Article II, Section 2, Clause 1, presidents have “power to grant reprieves and pardons for offences against the United States, except in cases of impeachment”. It doesn’t actually say that the president can’t pardon himself, and legal experts seem like they’re divided as to whether a president could legally do it.
Whether it’s a disgusting abuse of power or not is another question. There’d be a ton of outrage, etc, etc, but when has that ever stopped Trump from acting like a baboon?
https://twitter.com/ThatMichaelM/status/925990046053801984
Maybe Wesley Clark? ;D
Definitely Kasper needs to run for office in CA. Imagine her sitting in Senate @ 80 yrs like Feinstein.
I love tyt but your video player is the absolute worst on the entire Internet.
bahaha Cenk’s little excited jig at the end cos FINALLY he finishes hour 1 on time lawl.
Kasper for Senate!