TYT Hour 1 Sept 27, 2017

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Ana, Ben Mankiewicz, & Michael Shure. Alabama race results. Who is Roy Moore? GOP tax plan announcement. Executive order allowing people to purchase health insurance across state lines. Tom Price private jet travel details.

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  1. This is the Walmart/Big Oil tax cut.

    Walmart currently pays an effective federal tax rate close to 33% (which is a surprising figure to be honest) while all Big Oil pays a rate above 40% if you include foreign taxes.

    The amount of savings will be amazingly high.

  2. Once again, Ana lazily regurgitates Radiolab’s material without acknowledging them.

    And I, for one, remember Ben defending Defense of Marriage Act and SCREAMING at Cenk for criticising Hillary Clinton’s past homophobia. The man is a bigot and a nepotist, not a Progressive.

    1. If you’re referring to the Oliver Sipple story, Ana credited Radiolab in a previous TYT segment when she first reported that story.

  4. I was thinking/ wondering this during the show. Maybe the potential gained by investment in simply stating this ‘good man’s record and history trumps the usefulness of discussing Moore so much. It’s important for those of us outside the south to learn who he is, but just as important to highlight the resistance there.

  6. Oh come on TYT give Secretary Price a break! “Air Pelosi” has better peanuts, free drinks, AND free checked bags! Of course he’s going to pick it over the “Drivin’ Miss Nancy” limo service!

  7. Ugh, Ben and Michael already dribbling out the “mainstream Republicans don’t like their radical candidate, so they will vote FOR a DNC-Dem,” narrative.

    NO THEY WILL FUCKING NOT!!!!!!!!

    That was Schumer’s strategy. How well did that work-out?
    No average Republican will EVER vote for a DNC-style Democrat!
    PLEEZ, get the fuck over that idea.

    DNC Dems are the blandman who keeps sending flowers & candy to the girl getting shat-upon by her thumpy, meat-head boyfriend. Then, when she finally talks to him, he tries to sound tough like the shitty boyfriend.

    What reason does she have to change?
    At least the shitty boyfriend will fuck her over & make her think it was fantastic.

    2. The guys said that this has a slightly better chance of happening not that it will happen in Alabama.

      And Hillary gained up to 2 million Romney voters overall so the theory does have its merits especially in a state like Georgia.

    3. Oh NO, Ben and Michael? Where’s Jimmy Dore to shout unsupported nonsense that feels good in my belly. I like to have my wishes screamed at me as fact. It feels good. Ben and Michael live in reality. Reality is yucky. It doesn’t do what I like.

      1. Here comes gathly!
        Ready to shit on everyone else’s opinions or comments!
        Have you & sec86379 ever thought about forming a band?

        But really, what took you so long?

        1. not everyone’s. Just the ridiculous ones, the childish ones, the one’s not informed by reality, and the ones that create absurd little cliques of “good people” and “bad people” that are always good or bad. Have you considered not having absurd, childish opinions? I wouldn’t shit on those.

          1. Shit continuing to pile!

            I just may be childish & ridiculous in some of my opinions, but not always.

            As for “absurd little cliques of good people and bad people that are always good or bad,” I’m not so sure I’m guilty of that one. Appears that you are the one who consistently lumps people into the childish & ridiculous groups depending on whether you approve of their comment or not.

            I think Jimmy is fun to listen to, even if he goes off the rails from time to time. I ENJOY it.

            Here’s an idea … try finding pleasure in something besides berating me or others who aren’t as “full of informed reality” as you are? Have some fun!
            Unless that is your version of fun. Then go pick on someone your own size.

  8. regarding Morality; Ana u WERE RAISED with Eastern Orthodox Christianity(Armenian Apostolic Christian Values) so dont talk to me about u creating ur own Moral code without Religion.

    1. Just curious, are you religious? If so (and I realize you may not be), you may not understand what it’s like when one looses their faith and has to find a new moral code. I was raised Catholic and practiced until I was 18-19. When I was 17 I started having doubts, but by 19 I’d lost all faith in the church and considered myself atheist. I still had the moral code I grew up with, but if anything it hindered me. I had to rethink my entire morality and develop a new one from scratch just to stay sane. Everyone’s experience is different, but it is a VERY difficult thing to go through.
      Please don’t make assumptions about people’s personal development.

      1. I dont think if Im religious or not mean anything because Cultural upbrings change from Non-Europeans definition of Orthodox to others European upbrings. Disclaimer: Im Bengali born in New Jersey.

        There is nothing to assume; All Moral Codes r rooted from certain Religion/Philosophy or Faiths/Spirituality whatever anyone calls them.

        I disagree with that Alabama guy because Ironically Evangelicals view Deist as Heretics which Founding Father WERE!? i really dont think they realize this fact or they pretend its not true like Climate Change topics…lol

        The Constitution is based on Religous Morals; Yes BUT STRICTLY on Concept. There is NO establishing Religious Govt Administration divisions. Just an ideas of Religiosity that don’t force others faiths to be compromised. I mean Muslims were mentioned by our Founders. They knew Muslims, Jews would join this Union in the future as well as Polytheists & Irreligious people. I love how in America, it either U.S. Constitution was anti-religion by Liberals or Evangelical interpretation of Morals by Conservatives(of European origins). I feel like this is the Twilight Zone where no one steps back and relooks what is Factual. Im sorry if i sound mean……work has grinded my mood. Pretending to be positive to idiot customers who shouldn’t have credit cards/Debt Cards because they seem to not know how to use one…is a mental challenge….

  9. **sigh**

    Michael Shure & Ben with Ana.

    Love you, Ana, but you cannot combat the establishment, incremental change, “(fill-in-any corporate Dem pol) is misunderstood. It’s too complicated for me to explain here. But, your wrong about them.” avalanche that is Michael’s passive-aggressive response to everything!

    Ben & Ana are fun together … IN THE SECOND HOUR.
    I can sum up this hour (before watching it all) with Michael & Ben playing patty-cakes & kissy-face and Ana trying to get a word in.

    This needs Steve O. or Malcolm or Jimmy to balance.
    Hopefully Jayar will regulate.

    1. I just watched the same video and have literally no idea what you’re talking about. Ana gets interrupted all the time (CENK!!!!!) and it seemed to me that she had about as much speech time as she usually does. I could totally be wrong, but that was my perception. Also, what do you mean by “patty-cake” and “kissy-face”? What specific instances are you criticizing? I’m interested in what you have to say, but “patty-cake” and “kissy-face” do not make apparent what you’re referring to.

      1. How long have you been a member? Have you seen Michael & Ben together before?
        I mentioned in the beginning , that my comments were before watching the entire hour.
        It was what I anticipated it to be.

        Michael & Ben consistently agree with each other with little air between them.
        It is almost like watching Michael & John, they rarely disagree on anything & mostly tell each other how correct they are. Although I will agree that the kissy-face comment is mostly an Idarola thing, not so much Ben.

        Btw, relax.
        For as hard as people generally are on Jimmy, I find my comments pretty mild.

  11. I don’t understand this state by state issue with your health care. In Australia, the private health insurance in Queensland costs the same as it does in Tasmania. Why do you make things so damn difficult over there?

    2. @Trauma65
      that’s because of Regulations in Australia?! Your country is Unitary Constitutional Monarch Federation. So Power is invested by the Federal govt, not the Provinces. In the United States, Power is invested in the States and Constitution is Federal Govt’s power. U.S lacks regulations on Federal Level to make sure Cross State Lines insurance is equal ad equity to all buyers across the country.

      1. Aussies out there fact-check me, but last time I checked Australia is also a federation (as opposed to unitary, as you claim.) Unitary and Federal are mutually exclusive, or at the very least are located at two separate points on the spectrum of regional integration. Also, Australia has states, not provinces (semantics I know, I’m just petty like that.)

        1. I’m sorry:
          federal parliamentary constitutional monarchy…I forget to use the correct terminology because of Words matter…sorry….If Federalism and Unitary structures were separate then I don’t know what u can the Philippines Govt then? Hypocrisy lol

          Your right about States part I confused Australia’s govt administrative divisions with Canada’s….I don’t know how I confuse the two….

  12. If I have read this correctly — https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/how-much-time-trump-spending-trump-properties-n753366 — Trump has made 59 trips to Trump owned (or branded) properties since his inauguration. Aside from the local cost, and the cost to New York City (where the Secret Service has been moved to a trailer on the street because they can’t afford to stay in Trump Tower), it appears that these trips have cost $177,000,000. And we’re not even through his first year. So although his cabinet’s cost to taxpayers is reprehensible, I do not even believe there is a word for his cost to our country, financially and otherwise. Since he is so incredibly wealthy, he should have no problem paying for these trips himself, and the upset over his cabinet’s use of private planes could just come out of his pocket change.

  14. Roy Moore only won the primary run off. The general election is in December. Moore is only 4 points ahead of Doug Jones. Let’s not count him out yet. Some of us here are working hard to flip this seat. Moore is a nightmare for Alabama and the US. It would be great if the media including TYT would give some positive coverage for Doug Jones. Which you did for about 30 seconds. We need to get better coverage because not all of Alabama is in the backward place we’re portrayed as being.

    1. Doug needs 40% of all whites to vote for him (voter suppression in Alabama was so intense even a republican congressman got ensnared in it and he is lily white).

      Good luck convincing good ol’ boys to vote for the guy who had the balls to send 80 year old KKK terrorists to prison.

  15. I wonder if Roy Moore would agree to criminalize extramarital affairs because it is immoral according to the Bible just like homosexual sex is considered immoral. The same logic would dictate criminalizing consumption of shellfish or wearing clothing made of more than one type of fiber or if a man shaves his beard. All are forbidden in the Bible. Roy Moore the cherry picking hypocrit!

  17. Humans can use body language and other cues for consent, if there is a language barrier. Humans and non-human animals don’t share that language either, so that possibility doesn’t exist.

  19. Here Ana goes again with her absolutism! Just because Ana has discussed her view on bestiality versus homosexuality she is correct and anyone who disagrees is “crazy?” What makes Ana’s left-wing absolutism any different from a far right-winger’s absolutism? Not much. But Ana can’t see this; or, she refuses to see this!

    I think that Roy Moore is an extremist and I’m sure that I’d disagree with most of his views, but in principle, he has a point. Even if it’s done behind “closed doors,” dog-fighting is illegal, yet we can kill other animals and eat them; organized sports gambling between a group of consenting adults is illegal in most states, but we can hold office pools and we can legally gamble on numbers in an organized bingo game; sex with a willing minor behind closed doors is illegal, but sex between two minors is legal; prostitution between consenting adults is illegal, but buying porn isn’t, and so on. Society makes these moral laws based in different communities “senses” of what’s moral or immoral. How is this any different than Ana’s “sense” that people are born gay. There’s no scientific proof that that whatsoever, yet Ana has spoken as if it is fact many times!

    Why is the federal age of consent for sex 17 and not 12, when many girls start their menstrual cycles? It’s because society senses that it’s wrong for a 30-year-old to have sex with a 12-year-old. Even Ana has acted disgusted when she has discussed stories where American-age-of-adult men were caught doing just that. So, if Ana can sense that something is right or wrong, then why can’t Roy Moore, a city community, a state community, or even a national community? And if Ana’s argument is that no “senses” of morality should be legalized, why has she not spoke against American-age-of-adult men having sex with a willing 12-year-old going to jail? Why doesn’t she hold the same view about that as she does about prostitution or drugs?

    Both Ana and Cenk are always heralding evolution and the idea that we’re just animals. If that’s the case, then why can’t homosexual sodomy be compared to bestiality? Wouldn’t bestiality simply be animals having sex with other animals? Ana and Cenk have argued that animals can’t consent to sex. That would suggest that whenever a male animal is having sex with a female animal that the male animal is raping it. Is that what they believe? If that is what they believe then there is no way that two people who speak entirely different languages can have consensual sex!

    Here is what I am suggesting; I am suggesting that both Cenk and Ana are both biased as to what they think is moral. And that they are hypocritical in that they won’t allow an opposing, logical, idea of what is or isn’t moral to be expressed without characterizing it as “crazy!” Ana is especially guilty of this! She’s quick to spew insults and call people names who don’t agree with her far left, liberal views. Yes, some conservative views are ignorant, but not all of them; just as some liberal views are emotionally based; but not all of them.

    Just as some conservatives seem close-minded at times, so does Ana. Some conservatives refuse to grow, and I have been watching TYT for years and I think that in may ways Ana does, too. I’ve never seen her call herself “crazy.” But if going by her definitions, there are many times that she is!

    1. The comments of marcosonline71 seem well made and should be ‘kicked around’ some more.

      Also the comments about absolutism are of value.

      To quote Ana she drives me crazy when she says ‘It drives me crazy’.

      Ana am not trying to get at you but you ‘drive me crazy’ etc.

  20. Here Ana goes again with her absolutism! Just because Ana has discussed her view on bestiality versus homosexuality she is correct and anyone who disagrees is “crazy!” What makes Ana’s left-wing absolutism any different from a far right-winger’s absolutism? Not much. But Ana can’t see this; or, she refuses to see this!

    I think that Roy Moore is an extremist and I am sure that I would disagree with most of his views, but in principle, he has a point. Even if it’s done behind “closed doors,” dog-fighting is illegal, yet we can kill other animals and eat them; organized sports gambling between a group of consenting adults is illegal, but we can hold office pools; sex with a willing minor behind closed doors is illegal, but sex between two minors is legal; prostitution between consenting adults is illegal, but buying porn isn’t, and so on. Society makes these moral laws based in different communities “senses” or what’s moral or immoral. How is this any different than Ana’s “sense” that people are born gay. There’s no scientific proof that that whatsoever, yet Ana has spoken as if it was fact many times!

    Why is the age of consent for sex 17 federally and not 12 when many girls start their menstrual cycles? It’s because society senses that it’s wrong for a 30-year-old to have sex with a 12-year-old. Even Ana as acted disgusted when she has discussed stories where men were caught doing just that. So, if Ana can sense that something is right or wrong, then why can’t Roy Moore, a city, a state, or even a nation? And if Ana’s argument is that no “senses” of morality should be legalized, why has she not spoke against men having sex with a willing 12-year-old going to jail? Why doesn’t she hold the same view about that as she does about prostitution or drugs?

    Both Ana and Cenk are always heralding evolution and that idea that we are just animals. If that’s the case, then why can’t homosexual sodomy be compared to bestiality. Wouldn’t bestiality simply be animals having sex with other animals? Ana and Cenk have argued that animals can’t consent to sex. That would suggest that whenever a male animal is having sex with a female animal that the male animal is raping it. Is that what they believe? If that is what they believe then there is no way that two people who speak entirely different languages can have consensual sex!

    Here is what I am suggesting; I am suggesting that both Cenk and Ana are both biased as to what they think is moral. And that they are hypocritical in that they won’t allow an opposing, logical, idea of what is or isn’t moral without characterizing it as “crazy!” Ana is especially guilty of this! She’s quick to spew insults and call people names who don’t agree with her far left, liberal views. So conservative views are ignorant, but not all of them; just as some liberal views are emotionally based; but not all of them. Just as some conservatives seem close-minded at times, so does Ana. They refuse to grow, and I have been watching TYT for years and I think that in may ways Ana does too. I’ve never seen her call herself “crazy.” But if going by her definitions, there are many times that she is!

    1. Jesus, man…I am impressed by the mental gymnastics. I don’t even need to rebut any of your “arguments” because you just owned yourself. Lol…everything you said could be used in a parody sketch illustrating the lunacy of right-wing thinking. It reminded me of Jordan Klepper’s new show The Opposition.

    2. I understand you complaint, but you choose poor examples. There is definitely a difference between two humans consenting and a human and animal consenting. Yes, it would be difficult for people with a foreign language to consent, but not impossible. Body language and facial expressions can show people are interested. How would we know that an animal is consenting? Not the same thing. The age issue has been discussed many times by Cenk and Ana. Again with consent, the idea is that under a certain age people cannot give consent because they do not understand what consent really means. What should the age be? I don’t know for sure, but it is not 10 or 8. Cenk has repeatedly said it should be 16. The logic behind banning bestiality and under age sex is both sides need to give consent. Animals cannot nor can very young children. I think Roy Moore does not seem understand or care about the idea of consent, he only cares about what his bible tells him and he refuses to listen to what most of society has agreed upon. Consent matters.

      I don’t think liberals are making the claim that just because you can do something behind close doors it should legal. The point being made here, and Ben said it, is if it is not harming anyone and both parties can and do agree, why should the state bust in and stop it? Under that logic, many liberals including both Ana and Cenk have argued that prostitution should be legal. (on this issue I believe Ana has changed her opinion over time). You are right that we as a society make sense of what should be allowed and not allowed. I would be in favor of banning the eating of meat, but I am in the minority, so it is still legal. What Roy Moore is saying is that we don’t really have a say in the laws we can pass because God decides and tells us through the bible. And that I find not only absurd but counter to American values.

      1. Loved your counterpoint!

        But, I think after all this typing, mental back-flips & pretzel-ties, and then the slow burn of reading…

        I think someone needs a cigarette.
        Consenting with the authors here, of course. ;)

    3. To your point on them saying we are just animals.
      So…A human male(animal) and a human female(animal) having sex is also wrong? I mean with your “logic” anyone having sex is wrong.

  21. Can we get the tid bit about the marine edited so it’s just that story so I can show others? It should be edited and posted on Facebook like TYT does. I learned something new today, which broke my heart. Other people of today’s generation need to hear the story Ana shared.

  22. This was an interesting hour with issues well discussed.

    Please repeat this panel combination as today they were very effective.

  23. Cenk & Ana

    Ask Warren Buffett and Bill Gates SHOUT it out HELP PUERTO RICO there suppose to be giving million dollars away to people they need there HELP.

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