TYT Hour 1 Sept 15, 2017

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Cenk, Ana, & Jimmy Dore. London train explosion. Trump responds. Harvard revokes Chelsea Manning visit. Why Trump met with Dems. Trump humiliates Sessions. Hannity defends tax cuts.

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      1. O man you are missing the facts,JIMMY DORE IS A PASSIONATE GUY,,he cares I see and here it in his voice darlin,,,, ??????Hi Jimmy

  5. 7:00-27:00
    Cenk except Marshall Plan was what FUNDED THE TERRORISTs, to BEGIN WITH!? Japan/South Korea today is MORE VULNERABLE THAN EVER BEFORE!!!!lacks self-governing on economics and military is US where soldiers r immune from Native Law because they r Americans. So if American Soldier rapes Female Korean/Japanese Teenager(which happens) then Japan/Korea’s Courts can’t adjudicate it and MUST given to United State Military, the rapist and victim aren’t GUARANTEED Fair Trail to get justice in American Military Courts….

    1. wot u on abt dude? none of that makes sense. both japan & s korea r doing amazing economically cuz they partnered with america.

      1. Lookup Capsin Report; Japan’s been holding back because United States hasnt returned Japan their money and Korea is divided by the United States making South Korea its buffer, whenever South Korea tries to make a Deal with NK. We been blocking any form of Progress in the PAST……

        What we have NOW is half-baked solutions and WE KEEP ABANDONING THEM when they need us. Pokemon Go under CIA report as Japan’s Govt building a Global Map to help Japan’s Interest. Just look it up. The Company, Pokemon worked with r Govt runned agency for building the App. South Korea has built stronger ties to Iran and thats not going to be undone. American Military bases throughout have a slightly higher rate of East Asian citizens teenage Girls to be rape then Local population & Japan/South Korea’s courts cant trail US Solider for RAPE!!!! What does that say?!

        Combine Japan & South Korea reach to be self-effective without the United States and Caspian Report in youtube. I see Marshall Plan as Failure on East Asian Front in Present time. It my have worked at the very beginning after Cold War but WE r being a liability(NOW) than a working asset to Japan/South Korea just look at NK breaching Japan airspace and kidnapping of Japanese Girls and South Korea arming the border…… China being able to flex economic power over them….

  6. Chelsea Manning was invited why? Doctorate in??? Had a vision and devoted her entire life to it??? She was a whistle blower, which is laudible, but I’m betting there are whistle blowers who have had a definitive effect on something somewhere. The best that can be said for Manning is that the gov’t will be more discrete in it’s communications, it’s deals. What actually happened from it? Anyone go to jail? Lawsuits? New laws?

    A BRAVE whistle blower is one who rats out the boss, losses their job, gets black listed, losses their house, family goes into poverty. That’s bravery. She did some time, during which she got several hundred thousand dollars of medical services at tax payers expense. NOT THE HARDEST ROW TO HOE.

    Be real, her invitation was a PR move, and quite frankly, canceling her invitation is generating even MORE good PR. Why good PR, BECAUSE HARVARD HAS BEEN REINFORCING THE POWER STRUCTURE FOR GENERATIONS. The rich and powerful buy seats for their kids to meet other rich kids and make those connections that will keep the rich in power forever.

    It’s funny listening you rant on about how ignoble it was of Harvard as if Harvard had any morality common with the people, cared about the people, truth, justice, the American way. Harvard is the GE, Comcast, General Dynamics of education. You’re utterly missing the point on this, rant on their hypocrisy, rant on their virtual class system Harvard is part of.

  7. Thank you Cenk for your brilliant take-down on the military-political complex. And for giving Jimmy Carter kudos for waging peace in the Middle East. Carter’s “malaise speech” is one of the most courageous speech ever given by a POTUS. More on that, please!

    1. Talk about Industrial Military Complex, it’s tendrils are further reaching than I realized. It was an interesting article, thanks. I’m Canadian, and somewhat naive to the ways of the world.

  10. As soon as the camera went to Ana, I paused the video to post this comment…..

    ANA, YOUR MAKEUP IS FLAWLESS!!!!!!!!!

    I’m not a makeup person at all but I had to comment on it. Usually she has a very natural look, which is great (Ana’s a gorgeous girl), but boy that makeup on Friday was amazing!!?

    *Pressing play now*

  14. I monitor mainstream & broadcast Media; agreed they’re establishment propaganda-arms, thus they reveal the corrupteds’ real fear, not Russian-influence, not N.KOREA, not illegals/terrorism, but rather Us, the Progressives… Current high-level of ridicule illustrates main-stream anxiety; they’re SCARED!!!

  15. On Harvard and Manning, Manning brings infamy while the establishment brings money. Harvard is a private university and they need donations and research funding and bringing Manning will hamper both.

    A wrong decision but a rational one.

  16. Oh – one more thing. The Wahabi thing is a UK/US invention. An obscure desert sect was encouraged and paid well to spread their ideology (which benefited the West more than the local population)— they were given large sums to open ‘schools’ and spread the good word. The only thing asked was sell your oil to the West.. this eventually became the petro-dollar. They are the front for our agenda in that part of the world. The Saudis are not doing the Yemen war – they do what we want them to.

  17. How can Cenk and Ana stay so mal-informed? Doesn’t anyone study the history of the cia since 1947? This is their work. Has been for a long time. This information has grown in the last few years — see Douglas Valentine “The CIA as Organized Crime” (think drug running, slave trade, covert wars — perps of vast international financial fraud — all that money goes somewhere; it’s propping up the global banking system everywhere but Iran, North Korea, China and Russia — see the pattern?). David Talbot did a recent book “The Devil’s Chessboard” about Allan Dulles. It’s a very good recounting of how we got here; from drafting ex-SS into the CIA in 1947 to almost every war/conflict you can name. We started and/or provoked all of them. We were in Afghanistan with our guy bin Laden before the USSR showed up in 1979. We provoked their entrance into the country.
    Global Research .ca does great unmasking work. James Corbett and Sibel Edmonds can explain Gladio and Gladio-B; the first was doing all the false flag Red Brigades crap in Italy during the 70’s and Gladio-B is the arm that is creating color revolutions and ‘civil wars’ in all the countries we want to asset strip. Behind this stay-behind army, managed by NATO, is our secret services (not all 17 of them – HA HA) and the similar groups in UK and Israel and probably Pakistan too.
    Take a look at the pattern… check out Ole Dammegard on YT for details of how false flags are carried out.

    And then when you ask, WHY?? — study psychopathy. Like starting here: Dr. Andrew Lobaczewski’s Political Ponerology: A Science on the Nature of Evil Adjusted for Political Purposes . Free .pdf http://www.serendipity.li/bush/ponerology_preview.pdf

    1. Conspiracy theories are not history nor fact, they are ravings of lunatics, just like you.

      I would go on explaining in detail why but your post on Wahhabis shows that it is not worth my time.

  18. I’m afraid Cenk, like many others, you have a falsely exalted notion of what academia views as its top goal and priority. Hint: It starts with M, ends with Y.

    A University professor in engineering or physical sciences spends way more time simply in the physical act of chasing money, than teaching, interacting with students and advisees or looking at scientific data, put together. The higher ranked the school, the stronger this unidimensional focus on money. The tendency both stems from and propagates right to the top administrators and policies. A lion’s share of defence research money frowm DARPA, DTRA, numerous DoD and DoE offices end up in Harvard or MIT. Significantly weaker proposals from these places go through more easily based on the general name recognition and some amount of revolving door practices. If you got to see some of these funding managers, whom professors have to maintain almost personal equations with for advancing their careers, you would understand that Chelsea Manning’s speaking truth to power is one of the least likely things to find apprecication in the upper echelons of Harvard’s administration. Her selfless courage is the exact opposite of what the most successful people in that institution practice on a daily basis.

    I kind of knew it, and I know now with even more certainity that the military admistrative establishment will savagely attack to drown out Chelsea Manning’s unfinished narrative. Could we do something to give her more of a platform ? Maybe an interview series with TYT ?

  19. You were making some fair points before you declared an entire group of people diaperheads. To be clear, I’m not offended and I do not advocate language policing over a flippant comment said jokingly. I’m sure you’re a decent person because your main point is about seeing less violence.

    My point is that calling them diaperheads undermines your larger goal. I spent a lot of time in the Middle East and, brother, they are some of the most decent and amazing people in the world who are viciously mischaracterized and dehumanized by media and entertainment who get erroneously (and purposely) defined by the worst examples in their societies while the best of them purposely go unreported.

    There are so many people over there, on all sides, working their butts off trying to foster peace–but they get marginalized by power brokers who profit off of keeping the flames of conflict stoked and burning. There are liberal political parties in the Kineset, along with Palestinian activists, who want nothing more than coexistence…but they get silenced by extremists on “their side.”

    When you think an entire region of people are diaperheads, then their life is of little consequence and we will continue to waste money killing them.

    You have a good heart, you should travel the world and meet folks in person…it will give you insight that no book, YouTuber or website can give you.

  22. General Smedley Butler’s 3 points to reduce war from his WW1 era book War is a Racket:
    1. We must take the profit out of war. 2. We must permit the youth of the land who would bear arms to decide whether or not there should be war. 3. We must limit our military forces to home defense purposes.

    1. Butler was a mentally unstable individual who saw conspiracies everywhere. If you do a cursory search of the archives you will see that he made so many wild claims that did not pan out that it should be obvious.

      His “War is a Racket” book is an example of that. A pamphlet written by a madman.

      1. What part of “War is a Racket” do you disagree with? I won’t speculate on people’s opinion on other conspiracy theories he had.

        Let’s see … War IS done for profit. Entirely. Always has been.
        Someone wants to go to war to take (fill in the blank)from “those people” or “that country.”

        But this has multiplied a thousand fold since the days of swords & shields.
        Corporations decide when & where we go to war.
        What is in the Corporation’s best interest? How much can we PROFIT.
        How can this company make major bank, and call it “defending our freedoms.”

        Limiting our military to defense. This is a bad thing?
        So, we should NOT limit the military to defense?
        If we continue our ENDLESS offensive wars, who does this help?
        Oh right! The CORPORATIONS! The 1% who make $$$ off said war and NEVER have any skin in the game!

        I’m confused at what your point is by saying Butler was “unstable.”

        Even if he was, a broken clock is still right twice a day.

        1. All of it.

          Most wars either began as religious/ideological struggles or territorial/ethnic disputes. In many cases it was the business community that tried as best as it could not to drag the countries into war. Economic reasons for war began largely when nations tried to steal what is not their’s without compensation or embargo what is theirs for the benefit of a competitor during times of distress. That is they brought it on their own.

          The Iraq and Afghanistan wars are classified under strategic blunders that began with a certain set of goals and ended up with entirely different set ground conditions that makes it impossible to leave unless you want a refugee wave into Europe that makes the 2015 wave look like a trickle.

          Nothing destroyed Europe or European standing in the world as WWI and everyone in the business community fought politically to stop it but the decision was made by Austrian, Serbia and Russian dictators and the German Socialists joined in voting for war funds. The corporations that “profited” from the war paid tax rates into the 90% and income taxes were 99% in the UK and the US for top earners. Most corporations went bankrupt after the war because Vickers (the largest British corporation at the time) only needed 8000 employees not 80k and their owners went bankrupt because of the economic collapse after WWI which lasted well into the 1950s.

          This is why I say Butler’s book (as it was written in the 1930s) was nonsense. He would have had some sense if it was written now but even then the details of the struggles still leave room for legitimate reasons other than profit that I mentioned above.

          1. wars don’t begin for only one reason or another. The real world doesn’t work like that. It doesn’t reduce toward simple-minded rules. There are multitudes of reasons wars begin. Trying to reduce all of world history into single motives that cover all events doesn’t express history as it is, it simply makes it easier for people who can’t deal with the complexity of history to make broad and inaccurate statements and feel like they’ve said something meaningful.

            Butler’s book is not about World War I. It’s about his time as what he called “a high class muscle man for big business” largely in South and Central America, where from 1898 on, the US had taken over the former Spanish empire and was running most of those states as various slave/plantation business colonies on behalf of United Fruit and other large multinationals, as well as in the Philippines, hawaii, cuba and puerto rico. These are the wars he is referring to. His job as part of the US military was to suppress any nascent struggles for labor rights and to murder the leaders of such movements.

            You’re quite right, however that WWI had nothing to do with big business, and was not a profitable war that anyone was cynically trying to seek for profit. It was a war of the old system, of noble houses, before the current global transnational corporate system was set up. There was no profit in it, except for the potential profit of increased territory for nations. If anything, it was extremely damaging to business, as it allowed the Russian Revolution to occur, galvanizing the working classes across the globe, giving them a power center from which to attack big business for the next 70 years.

            1. Good Evening

              While you raise many points (regarding Colonial wars by everyone) that I agree with completely I am afraid that you, as well as many others interested in this subject, overlook a critical reason why the US government supported those adventures in the first place and that is money in the form of taxes.

              The US did not collect income tax until 1913. Before that Excise Tax was about the only constitutional tax available for the US government and guess who pays the Excise tax? corporations engaged in foreign trade. Had the US left other world powers to control trade routes in and out of the Western Hemisphere (which a big no no for strategic reasons as WWI’s infamous Zimmermann Telegram proved the Monroe doctrine issued 100 years before was visionary) it would be British, French and German corporations controlling trade and therefore not paying anything in taxes to the expanding US federal government.

              Like it or not, colonial adventures of Butler made sense because the system at the time was structured in a wrong way (just as it is structured in a wrong way now ) and with US colonists flocking to settle Hawaii (just as they did in Texas and California before 1846) and invest in the Philippines the political pressure to engage in those conflict would have disappeared.

  23. Just want to add what I haven’t heard Cenk say about the Marshall plan: most of the $went to rebuild Europe and our allies. But that info doesn’t take away from the point that we rebuilt our enemies and made them allies with a fraction of the aid package. I think some refused our aid (Russia if I remember correctly)

    1. Stop reading Oliver Stone shit.

      The USSR would have lost WWII if it wasn’t for the “evil capitalists Anglo-Americans” who provided 18% of all USSR tanks, 20% of all USSR Planes, 60% of all the USSR rolling railroad stock and at one point half the food the USSR needed.

      The USSR refused to hold free elections in its zones of occupation, massacred thousands of members of the Polish Resistance and refused to accept the Poles and Czechs fighting with the Western allies and declared them traitors through their surrogate governments in both countries and that was before the siege of Berlin in 1947. The USSR started the hostility and the cold war not the US and certainly not NATO.

      1. the USSR did benefit greatly from US weapons, but the war was won mostly by Russian peasants held at gunpoint marching, largely unequipped, many unarmed, told to pick up clothes and guns from fallen comrades along the way. Stalin threw 20 million of his people against the Wehrmacht, not US tanks. They cleared German minefields by sending men over them. When a mine blew up, it was cleared, and more men marched. It was almost like suicide bombers, except the men weren’t choosing to blow themselves up. They were told march forward or be shot here.

        1. Again, those peasants would have lost without US food, US trains and railroad cars transporting that food, British rifles and Anglo-American fighters and tanks protecting them.

          War in the 20th century was not peasant vs. peasant, it was a mechanized war in which the USSR had more tanks and artillery deployed to Belorussia on the eve of Operation Bagration (the coup d’grace of the eastern front) than all the German tanks and artillery in all fronts against all enemies.

          1. They may have, or they may not have. It depends on which battleground you’re looking at. By the end of the war, the Red Army was butchering found animals for food, had no MRE’s, and were basically looting every town they came upon for supplies. Only the most high ranking people in the Red Army even had trucks, let alone tanks in many of the advanced units. And of course Stalin was on his armored train surrounded by hundreds of soldiers and lots of weapons while he sent his people out in rags to die by the millions.

            1. I am afraid that your picture of the Red Army is only correct between October 1941 and March 1943, after that the Red Army was a military machine that outstripped anything the US had in terms of sheer numbers. In terms of materials per regiment (Soviet Divisions were smaller than US/British divisions) the US was better armed of course but the Red Army still bested the British who also bested the Germans as early as 1943. The post war propaganda directed towards the west tried to paint a different picture but records don’t lie.

              If you want I can refer you to at least a dozen books on the mere subject of the Red Army evolution and organisation during the war as well as detailed databases for TO&E (Table of Organization and Equipment) of every Soviet unit in the war based on mandatory monthly (weekly during combat operations) reporting.

    2. Cenk’s understanding of the Marshall Plan as some benevolent gift is wrong, but he’s not wrong that it worked to create a more stable world, and would likely work again here.

      The marshall plan was needed, because without it, the Bretton Woods system after WWII would never have worked. In order for that to work, though, they needed German and Japan to be economic powerhouses again. Germany was a much more highly industrialized nation than the rest of Europe before the war. The US planners were terrified that with the war ending, all that money for war making that had primed the pump of industry and ended the great depression would collapse and bring the world back into crushing economic depression again. The solution was to loan money to rebuild Germany quickly, to stand it on its feet again quickly, so they could start producing goods and having a thriving economy and then buy American goods again. This way, they would not be crushed by reparation payments like after WWI, which lead to Hiltler, and they could buy the American goods, grow their own economy and then pay back the loans. The US would become the industrial sector of the world, with two industrial recycling polls in Germany and Japan, while also making them pay back debt, so the US becomes the world’s creditor nation as well. The US remained the global creditor until they decided it was a good idea to dump all of their money and go deeply into debt fighting a pointless war in Vietnam.

      1. Some caveats above.

        The Morgenthau Plan, to return Germany into its pre-1866 pastoral and farming roots divided into petty states, was the US plan until the siege of Berlin in 1947. That siege changed everything as it became apparent that the USSR was not going to abide by any agreement and indeed was already purging the armies under its control from patriotic officers and allowing German industry in the east to restart.

        At the same time two elections in the west also helped change the American plan, France and Italy voted communists into the majority in their respective parliaments and while the short lived communist government collapsed it was a warning shot because those European communists did not hide their full allegiance to the USSR. Rebuilding Europe, which began before the Marshall Plan with loans to the victors, was the only hope and that was a reason for the Marshall plan.

        But perhaps the most important reason was economic as you mentioned. The Americans weren’t afraid of a depression, a depression has already set across the World as deep as the great depression. Furthermore, Bretton-Woods made the US the largest hoarder of Gold in the world and that would have collapsed the US economy even further since hoarded gold was a major cause of the great depression. The Marshall Plan was designed to offload excess gold from US balance sheets thus stabilizing wages and economic output and get interest on it.

        What US economists did not realize was that European economies would bounce extremely fast (the level of austerity makes Greek “Austerity” looks like a spending binge) making the US record a trade deficit as early as 1958, 5 years before Vietnam started.

        That trade deficit remains to this day and it was why Nixon abandoned the Gold standard because the US ran out of Gold effective January 1971.

        1. I don’t disagree with any of this. There were many plans and many players, and the realities on the ground as the war continued changed some of those plans, especially the death of FDR and Churchill’s loss of the election. Some players within the Washington planning were at cross purposes. It isn’t one or another. I still maintain that the fear of a global economic collapse immediately after the war, specifically within the US, which had transformed into a state run military machine in industry was a major concern. A huge other major concern was motivated by checking the USSR, which is why the two atomic bombs were dropped. a highly industrialized capitalist state like the US could not survive the rest of the world being in utter collapse even without the troubles of paying back war debts. The Marshall Plan addressed both. And the Bretton-Woods system was highly concerned with gold reserves, that’s true, but the gold was merely a stand in for trade imbalances. The Bretton Woods system was partially a gold standard, but not totally. Nixon’s actions in 1971, though are exactly as you stated. The US had no gold and so refused to pay back their debts in gold. The US did this unilaterally at the great shock to European allies, especially France.

          1. The Bretton-Woods system was designed to make a transition from metal based currencies to some sort of regulated international currency market where all currencies are floated and not pegged to Gold. This was proposed by Keynes.

            This fell short for political reasons (sovereignty crap) and when it became apparent that keeping the dollar, or any currency for that matter since Europe also started having trade deficits, pegged with gold was untenable, Keynes’s proposal was half-heartedly revived in the form of Special Drawing Rights (SDR), the crypto-currency used by the IMF.

            Nixon’s actions was predictable and the Euros were frustrated because Nixon outsmarted them and saved the US economy from an unnecessary crunch and austerity. This lead to a Europe wide depression when the oil embargo came into effect.

      2. i thought they funded marshall plan to help keep the russians/communism in check? also, cenk not mentioning these doesn’t mean he doesn’t know about them.

        1. I agree. I’m not saying that not saying all of this every time he brings up the Marshall Plan means he doesn’t know it. But this is one of Cenk’s 12 common rants, and he often brings up the plan as some kind of amazing gift the US gave the world, because we were just so fucking great. He may not have in this iteration, but he has in the hundreds of times he’s done this rant in the past.

  26. Cenk, I love you brother, and I understand where you’re coming from, but I’ve always thought it was pretty clear that Harvard was an establishment training ground that only pretended to be a legitimate academic institution.

  27. Nan says “He’s (Trump) not fit to be president.” No shit. How many times have you said this? Dozens. How about saying something different for a change? Like: “Sign this petition to impeach Trump. ” Or, support this candidate: . . . ” Mindless ranting; no answers.

  28. If you’re watching this for the first time and you’re wondering. It’s 17:20, that’s the first time Jimmy Dore says anything.

  29. C’mon TYT; grow a pair. Y’all love to rant and rave and be outraged. So how about being outraged at something that has fucked up our country for over a decade: the Middle East. How about some realistic analysis about what our (the USA’s) Middle East policies have accomplished since GWB declared war in Iraq. How about talking about something more profound than Pew-De-Pie. Progressive pretenders.

  30. Get out of the Middle East NOW. Not another drop of blood; not another dime of treasure. Not for Israel; not for the Saudis; not for Afghanistan or Iraq. Let the fucking Sunnis and Shiites kill each other. Who gives a fuck? Not our problem. Let Israel figure out its own shit. We do not (or should not) need the oil. Let these people figure out their own shit. Spend what we spend in the Middle East on things at home: education, homelessness, health care, education, PBS, NPR, ANYTHING besides the fucking diaperheads.

    2. that’s why he said we need to get money out of politics so that we aren’t enslaved to AIPAC and stuck in wars in the middle east. did you miss all that?

  33. Cenk, just one thing, you are forgetting that the actions of the USA in Germany just prior to the end of WW11 and post WW11 was partially responsible for the Cold War and definitely responsible for the partition of Germany.

  34. Getting money out of politics IS NOT ENOUGH. The money still owns all the media and uses it as WMD against the interests of the people.

    1. That’s what communists call for, state control of the media.

      I don’t think you would like the current bunch controlling the government to control the media.

    1. Nah, the largest most destructive terrorist organization in history was the Chinese Communism Party (when it was an outlawed party manned by masses of landless of peasants) followed closely by the SS organization (which technically was never part of the Nazi Party until after the Nazi Coup). Both were illegal and both make the Islamist terrorists look like amateurs.

      Speaking about Islamist terrorists, the Kurdish terrorist groups, all are communist/Socialists in ideology, overall killed more civilians than all the Islamists terrorist organizations combined in the Middle East. In the UK, Irish terrorists killed 20 times more civilians than Islamists and they were openly financed from the US and one of their main funders is a sitting US Representative from New York.

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