Cenk, Hannah Cranston, and Amberia Allen. Viewers threaten Fox News. Teacher’s anti-Muslim assignment. Indians pissed at Katy Perry. John Ossoff credits women. Zara pulls “Pepe the Frog” skirt. Man suing Grindr.
I thought the part where Amberia looked uncomfortable was necessary. People who have never heard the Christian co-opting of pagan rituals are going to be uncomfortable, but ultimately the reasonable ones will understand history. This is one area where we can’t be afraid of making people uncomfortable if we’re to move forward, as long as we stay considerate.
I’m on Katy Perry’s side here as well. How else are we to understand other cultures without bumbling through it, leading to hilarious misunderstandings? Outrage people are too quick to attribute bad intent.
Honestly, this hour would have been improved if you edited out Hannah and Amberia. Amberia seems out of touch and Hannah is one step above Has. Seriously most of this hour was really cringy to watch and I mostly just agreed with Cenk. There were obviously parts that were just fair disagreements among hosts, but there were also other parts where Cenk seemed armed and ready to go and the other hosts were just flat-footed and ultimately failed to argue their points well. It’s frustrating when I’m watching and there are hosts that just seem amateurish when you compare them to the ‘main guys’ (Cenk, John, Ana, Ben, etc…). I just find myself internally screaming the whole time trying to keep up with all the bad points and assumptions that end up being made on air. Also, please stop doing fluff pieces in the second hour. I like watching both but I think I’m, gonna start reading the descriptions to see if there’s any substance because I SERIOUSLY don’t give a fuck about what Katy Perry is doing on her social media.
I live in Ocala, Florida. Trinity Catholic is a private school. There is alot of money from donors in that school. He didn’t get fired because the ones that “run” the school agree with his teachings. That’s why he only got a slap on the wrist. There wouldn’t have been any punishment if there wasn’t any backlash from the students and parents.
it is painful to watch amberia cringe anytime religion is questioned.. she doesnt ever even try to explain her position, so i’m not sure what the benefit of having her on for religious discussion is. grace considers herself a christian as well but at least you’ve had productive discussions with her about it because she has an open mind.
Completely agree. I like Grace and am usually excited to see her take on stories whereas Amberia fails to defend herself in any way but rather just kind of laughs at Cenk’s harsh words as if that is defense enough. Amberia needs to demonstrate her nuanced position that differs from Cenk’s or explain the assumptions she’s scoffing at Cenk for so as to explain herself and let Cenk defend himself on air and ultimately have interesting political discourse on air. She continuously fails to do this and for that reason, I don’t really understand why TYT keeps having her back. I may be harsh but I take my news seriously, sorry.
I come from a “fundamentalist” catholic family. My family can’t stand the current Pope. There are so many factions of beliefs in Catholicism. At my Catholic grade school, ran by Irish nuns, they believed females should be priests. Then a conservative priest came in and took their power away and fired the “liberal” teachers who we divorced. Told us to avoid tv because it had horns and a tail (this was 2007-08), but don’t worry the internet was fine. Told us that drums weren’t sacred enough for a choir…I could go on. It was insane. That was when I was first exposed to the stereotypical crazy Catholics everyone had assumed I was before. I don’t practice/believe anymore, but my family still attends pro life marches and bitches about how the free the nipple campaign is fucking up america.
man not just annoying, the level of analysis of her thought processes seems to plateau at approximately 10 grade levels lower than the other two people at the desk. Thank god for Amberia, though, why isn’t she the one anchoring?
Katy Perry: NOT GUILTY! We cannot look at intent? What are you talking about?! We HAVE TO look at intent, as it is the most important consideration – that is also a cornerstone of our justice system.
Certain libs need to get a grip and stop being offended at everything. The internet is full of Jesus memes, both ‘offensive’ and innocuous. I don’t see libs flipping out over that. As they shouldn’t – this is a matter of free speech. As Cenk pointed out, the concept of ‘cultural appropriation’ is misused and taken too far way too often. It’s because of this constant whining and complaining of hurt feelings over everything and anything that libs have a reputation for being snowflakes. This also makes it harder to be taken seriously when you want to raise awareness of issues where people are actually being mistreated and which warrant the public getting upset.
Totally agree. I’m one of those who teeters between millennial and gen-x (born in 1980) and most of the time I’m pretty millennial-ish, but this was way too snowflake-y and eyeroll inducing. I’m also agnostic like Cenk, so you want to make fun of Jesus, Mohammed, Kali? Have at it hoss.
Even with the “white people can’t wear dreads” or “don’t dress up as a geisha for halloween” are just taking things too far for me. Dreads are a hairstyle; I don’t care to police people’s hairstyle. If you’re a white person and then you put on a hat with fake dreads and start going “ha ha I’m a thug!” and mocking people from a certain race, then yeah, that’s appropriation and shitty and racist. But if you want to wear dreads because you decided that will look cool, then… really? You can only select that hairstyle if you’re of a certain ethnicity? No way. That makes NO sense to me.
And the costumes. For one thing, non-Asian people cosplay Asian characters ALL THE TIME, and no one minds. Mostly because it’s clear that these cosplayers respect and love the culture from which these characters and identities are coming from. So, again. You want to dress up as a geisha, which is a real, historical identity, because you find the image and history of the geisha really cool and fascinating and beautiful. Go for it. Put on the make-up, find a beautiful kimono, fix your hair up. There is a difference, again, between doing that and: taping your eyes so they’re “squinty” and going “ching chong!” like a racist moron to get a laugh out of your equally racist friends.
And seriously, Katy Perry isn’t Christian but she was “born” Christian? Who the fuck cares?? So if she were born agnostic then she gets a pass. How was it her choice to be born into a certain religion? I get privilege, believe me; I absolutely do. Being white, being male, being straight — these do afford a person certain privileges, and we should all be aware of that. But that doesn’t mean that Katy Perry being born into a Christian family means she cannot use an image of a goddess as a meme.
The point of critiquing white dreads isn’t to police the hair style. It’s to point out the hypocrisy. Rather than scoff and roll your eyes, try listening to people when they’re trying to explain their experience to you. When only black people wore dreads, they were policed, like the rest of black life. You couldn’t show up to an office environment in dreads no matter how pressed your suit was, because that was a look that said you were poor and untrustworthy. Black people used to burn their scalps with chemicals to try and get approved white people style hair. Black women still wear weaves today. The ideas of beauty were burned into black people to mean “white” and “white haired”. Then some white person comes a long and decides that they’re going to just take that look, and society adjusts to make it the new thing. It’s suddenly all ok now, because WHITE. THAT is what we’re talking about here. We’re not talking about the hair or the clothes, but the human being associated with those things, and how that iconography was used to target an oppressed group. Take any drug, or music, or clothes or hair or slang. It’s criminalized when associated with a class or race of people, as part of criminalizing those people, and the criminalizing of it makes it cool, to young, white entitled people, and they adopt it. The system normalizes it, because the point is to attack the black people, not the hair, or the clothes or the music.
This is true of all native american co-option and any other minority and oppressed group in history. Indian feathers on white people was a symbol of how many Indians you’d killed. Now they’re a cute accessory at Coachella for trust-fund white kids to wear. The same is true for Asian cosplay. If the only thing Asians could be in all of American pop culture was never oppressive to you, and now it’s cool, that doesn’t take away the decades and decades when that’s all you could ever be if you were Asian. These things aren’t just words or symbols that mean nothing. We’re not just talking about hurt feelings. We’re talking about a slap in the face reminder all the time that society is set up to favor one group and shit on another, and not just disfavor, but to constantly dehumanize those groups. The culture that holds an oppressed group together when they have nothing else is just picked up and made popular and profitable and turned into the new standard of wealth and beauty by people who are appropriating the suffering their people helped enact against the people they’re stealing from. Maybe listen to people next time, instead of assuming what they’re saying doesn’t affect you, so it must be unimportant.
People that are arguing that the second hour needs to have more serious and informative stories clearly haven’t been around for a while. Hour 2 was always supposed to be about fun and more lighthearted stories to offset the first hour.
Opinions on the hosts themselves… well, that’s another thing. I won’t watch an episode with Hass in it, so I feel ya. But, I suppose there’s something for everyone on TYT, so I keep watching and supporting.
Boo, no. I know the way Hour 2 has been run for years but why?? I have membership and watch TYT every day because I trust their political insights and care about what they have to say about major global current events. It is exhaustingly annoying to watch them do pointless stories in the second hour when John has to jam in like 4 or 5 actual news stories that they ‘can’t get to’ because they have to cover the bullshit going on with Katy Perry…… I seriously don’t care and I have trouble believing the rest of the TYT audience really does either
I have to echo the sentiments of many other posters here. Topics such as “cultural appropriation”, “safe spaces”, and other liberal shenanigans are intellectually indefensible. How can you possibly explain to someone why “cultural appropriation” is even a thing worth considering, let alone to be taken seriously? It’s simply not. There’s no validity to it, and I’ve yet to see anyone make an actual case for why it matters. Oh, you don’t like that I eat tacos, braid my hair in dreadlocks, and dress like Vishnu on Halloween? Well too fucking bad. That’s just, like, your opinion man.
Please stop validating these intellectually bankrupt concepts, because they are just impossible to defend to people who are centrist, conservative, or who just think for themselves. And, even if they were somehow defensible or worth the average person’s consideration, what do you expect to ever change about it? Vishnu is always going to be a ridiculous looking deity worth laughing at.
Cultural appropriation is a real thing and it is maddening when you look at what Cenk mentioned: a lot of very famous songs that we know, are actually white people covering music that black people created. I’m not sure that white musicians should be blamed at all, but it’s a real phenomenon.
Safe spaces, for example, are important in places where you have frequent bullying of LGBT people – as in locker rooms. The gym that I go to, for example, is at a university, and has a lot of ‘advertising’ about safe space for LGBT people and people with disabilities. This makes people feel more comfortable, because they know that the administration will protect them. Also, potential bullies know that they will get in trouble if they bother LGBT people. And lastly, seeing this open acceptance by others on a daily basis I think does a lot to change people’s preconceived biases. So I think ‘safe space’ campaigns do have a legitimate purpose.
That’s all well and good, but you didn’t provide any reasoning for why Cultural Appropriation is worthy of any discussion. So white people played music made by black people. So what? Why does this matter? Did these white people do a better job/give it more mass appeal? Then good. Why is this a problem? Is it only a problem because these people were white? If you answer yes to this question, then your proposition is based on racism against white people. If you answer no, then the best case scenario is that you’re advocating thought-policing.
Unless there’s something I’m missing, there is just no validity to cultural appropriation.
I don’t speak for Fairy Queen, but they did give you a reason why cultural appropriation is “worthy of discussion” with their example of black music. The issue isn’t white people embracing black music, the issue is the unfairness, the double-standard, of how black artists were criticized by white audiences for how their music sounded, or how much they moved, or for being too raucous or sexual, only for white artists to be praised and celebrated for doing exactly the same thing.
Now there’s an argument that that made black music more acceptable, gave it more mass appeal as you say, but there was also the phenomenon of popular black artists being booked to play for segregated audiences at white-only venues, or radio stations refusing to play black music while playing music inspired by it. The point is the white majority was taking black culture and not exchanging it, there was no give and take. Black people were contributing to culture but not being rewarded or recognized for it, and I think that is the essence of cultural appropriation, that one-sided unjust relationship.
There are plenty of bad examples of CA and I certainly think it’s overused. I don’t think white people should be assaulted for wearing cornrows or dreadlocks. But there is some validity to it and I certainly think it is worth discussing, and doing so is not “racism against white people” or “thought-policing.” Keep an open mind and don’t let the bad examples lead you to ignore the valid ones.
I’m not saying that cultural appropriation NEVER occurred. I’m simply saying that it has no relevance to modern America. I’m not aware of any “whites-only venues” in modern America. I would appreciate if you can provide an example of this, as I may be out of the loop here. But these all sound like issues from 50 years ago. I would argue that the only existing examples of cultural appropriation ARE the fringe cases like cornrows. In other words, the only things left to talk about/resolve are the ones that aren’t worth the time and effort and which would have no actual measurable benefit.
Furthermore, you said there’s no give-take exchange between white culture/black culture. I would agree with this, but for a different reason than you might expect. As a white American, I can honestly say that I have no idea what “white culture” is. There is not a single thing my life that I feel I can point to and say “oh, that’s a white person thing” or, “if a black/asian/whatever person did that, it would be a form of cultural appropriation.” It just doesn’t exist. My mind is definitely open on this matter, or I wouldn’t be talking about it. However, I just don’t feel that any of these examples rise above the level of “things worth dealing with”, especially when we have actual issues in this country which still need solving.
If we ever overcome poverty, the over-incarceration of blacks, and sexual discrimination, then maybe we can come back to cultural appropriation.
We should all stop calling the anti abortion forces “pro life” they are anti- abortion. we play into their messaging /propoganda when we acquiesce and call them pro lifel
We should stop calling them anti-abortion. If they were they would support policies that are actually proven to reduce abortions, like comprehensive sex-ed, contraceptives, and general women’s health services that are a lot of what Planned Parenthood actually provides. The truth is they are pro-control, usually of women’s bodies.
Isn’t cenk one of the guys who would say “Why do I have to respect your rule not to draw the prophet mohammed”?
I can see a cultural appropriation argument when it’s physical, daily things like food or clothes or hair (and even then, usually I think get over yourselves). But your made up fairy person? Hah! You believe whatever you want, I’ll draw the prophet, tell God he’s a fucker, and get a tattoo of vishnu on my face if I want. I have 0 respect for following the rules of *your* religion.
I think there’s a lot of generalization going on with the discussion of the way in which early Christians “adopted” so-called Pagan festivals/traditions. Just seems to gloss over a lot of details and historical interplay. I get that you don’t have time to go into depths but glossing over it in this way does a little injustice to the history of these traditions themselves. I’m not super Christian or a Pagan either, just a scholar of the history of religion.
I am with Cenk 100% on the cultural appropriation/religion stuff. Quick side note, according to wikipedia the tradition of decorated eggs goes back up to 60,000 years! TIL
Perhaps I’m missing the point, but cultural appropriation in of it self seems harmless, maybe even beneficial. Taking aspects of a culture and integrating it with your own seems like a stabilizing factor in combating discrimination and rasicm in a states populous. Obviously, if someone is distasteful, or disparaging they are just being an asshole. I guess what I’m saying is if wearing the Hijab was trendy, I’d suspect the pandemic of vilification aimed at Islam would be less problematic.
Hannah is by far my least favorite host. She talks too much with no substance. Who cares about Katie Perry we want news. Most of these stories should not be on the main show. I think Amberia brings an interesting perspective.
No hannah on the main show!!!
Hannah conflate women of different dimensions/size/stature with diversity and goes on to say we should all accept diversity. Then she carries on about being unhappy with her own body because she compares it to runway models. I don’t know, is she playing victim or what?!?! Fortunately she does not get cut off, but seems oblivious to the others on the show who were just basically hanging their heads waiting for her to finish her rant. I turned off the volume.
I will add I feel this way also about Sam Schacker. She is always making faces about her “strong opinions”. I agree with you about Hannah and I raise you Sam; ) They really need to have a talk with these people to tone it down with the politically correct bs.
Also I live in a tiny city in Australia so if I personally know people who won’t watch the show when she’s on, imagine how many exist in the USA.
Right now I feel at war with the concept that the left and PC culture are trying to take away freedom and that trying to evolve and progress issues is just a bunch of people being to sensitive and easily offended. Pick your damn battles and stop playing into to these stereotypes and echo chambers. Have those opinions but don’t pick them as your news worthy stories so much.
Look guys poll your audience about Hannah, you have to stop letting her lead this stories, can you not see the difference between. Anna and Hannah?
Anna had a spectrum of opinions based on her knowledge and life experience that she is open to changing. Hannah is a regurgitator of the most extreme left wing ideologies, Hannah is why I have to have arguments with my friends over whether TYT is against free speech, Hannah is the reason I have to have arguments with people about the non existence of third wave feminism
And regressive leftism. Don’t sit there making fun of the sensitivity of the right wing then play exactly into the sterotypes they have with us. Fine let her on the show but for the love of god stop letting her lead and pick stories. If you don’t believe me poll your damn audience. I literally have no problem with any other person on the show.
Oh my god this makes me so happy. I don’t think her annoyance has anything do do with feminism, I think she’s just not that bright. In most stories someone else will say something and she will then regurgitate it but make it into a long winded point that I can’t even follow. I don’t think I know anyone that would think yeah I agree with her. I have gotten used to and like all the newer hosts now aside from Hannah. It’s actually painful to listen to.
I’m glad I’m not the only one who feels this. I really want to like her. I think she means well, and I’m enough of a lib that being critical of her makes me uncomfortable. But I’ve been frustrated with her since she shut down Francis on some issue of feminism a few weeks ago in hour two. She accused him of mansplaining, which I believe is a thing but not at all what Francis was doing. She used it to shut him down and I just thought that was really unreasonable. I consider myself a major feminist, don’t get me wrong. But I feel like she’s just experienced feminism from a cultural perspective and doesn’t have much depth to her thoughts on it. I don’t think she’s stupid, I think this is just something she’s latched on to because it gets a positive response from her personal fanbase.
Maybe she should have a discussion with Ana about it. I feel like Ana obviously can get fired up about women’s issues but in a way that has an important nuance and really makes me proud to call myself a feminist. I feel like Hannah has potential, but at this point I just find her sort of annoying.
Yep, 30 mins in and I’m out. Jesus fucking christ, who cares! All this segment proves is that religion is bad and pushes people away from each other. “You believe in X?” “Well I believe in Y” “Therefore, we should never relate and should hate each other!” That’s religion folks! That’s hour 2 in a nutshell folks!
I hate this cultural appropriation argument because we have greater issues at hand. While you complain about hair styles, young black men are being gunned down by the police. While you complain about white people wearing native costumes for Halloween, DAPL is happening. Seriously, you have the nerve to complain about Halloween costumes while innocent people are fighting and being attacked by the police? There are brave people fighting to protect our water, but you care more about HALLOWEEN COSTUMES!!!!! Please…please…oh my god please, focus your hatred towards DAPL or use that focus to support BLM. People are suffering and dying! At least act like you care about the true hatred and injustice in this country. Jesus, hell I’d rather you focus on Wolf Pac and getting money out of politics over the trivial shit you talk about in this hour!
Look, I’m an atheist…so keep that in mind. You guys do these stories about religion, first on the aspect of Muslim and also the fact that paganism is an influential factor in modern Christianity (which I agree), then on Katy Perry using an Hindu image. I have to say (again as an atheist) why THE FUCK DO YOU OR ANYONE ELSE CARES?!?!? This “my religion is holy and needs to be respected” shit needs to stop! Either all religions are holy and pious or none of them are holy and pious…again I’m a biased, baby-eating (according to fundamentalist Christians) atheist. So these stories annoy me sooo much. It’s just an image of a god, why do you care so much? If your “so-called” god is so powerful, why does it care if Katy Perry uses it’s image for a fucking social media post? Sounds like a thinned skinned god to me, no more better than our shitty orange leader! Take a chill pill, it’s all made up, so get over it!
SO MUCH THIS. also, if you’re going to talk about religion and it’s history or in the context of comparative religion, then do some homework first. This was not the worst attempt (easter/eostra paganism) but sometimes, those discussions lack soooo much academic thought/actual fact. History of and comparison of religion are knowable things, LEARN THEM if you want to talk about them! They are the only fact-based aspects of religion (other than statistics, but eww, stats).
Some asshole made a fake Grindr profile talking crazy about me, It had a picture of me from my Facebook profile. I’m a proud gay man and some of my friends flagged and reported it; I too emailed Grindr and explained my situation and they told me I had to make Grindr profile and “report it”. They didn’t do jack shit about it! It’s a shady place! I LOVE TYT and thank ya’ll very much for all your hard work!!!!
Cenk’s points on religion: factual, rational analysis with historical context
Ambreia: “Well, I don’t think so…” Followed by nothing resembling facts or a representation of historical knowledge
Nobody on the panel stated that Jon Ossoff is not for Medicare for All and i havent seen him support getting money out of politics. Yes he is better then the alternative but it is important as a progressive outlet to state a candidates lack of progressive policies.
Why? Have you posted or sent your observations to TYT? Curious because I have just started this late and Im uncertain what the issue is. OK no worries. Later.
I stopped 30 minutes and 45 seconds in. This is literally what gives TYT such a bad reputation on the internet. This. Not the left wing, bernie touting politics coverage as most young people agree with many left wing positions, but this. That fact that Cenk is disagreeing with much of what Hannah is saying makes me think he knows this, so why he lets this become the pervasive opinion of most of TYT, excluding him, baffles me
Cenk isn’t the thought police so he isn’t going to censor what any of his hosts or guest hosts say. He does tell his opinions or give counter arguments. I thought being progressive means understanding everyone thinks differently & that should be embraced not discouraged. “Everyone should think & act like me or they’re the enemy” is a right-wing thing but that’s the argument basically being made in some of these posts. I think TYT members should be better than that but that’s just my opinion.
I’m not angry, per say, but today’s show was poor quality, from the shock jock screeching of hour 1 to the unimportant ‘debates’ of the second. There is hard news everyday, and many stories go untold, but a subscription news service we all pay for is taking time to talk about Katy Perry’s instagram posts. It’s a waste of your time and of mine. I agree with many of the other commenters who feel that there are more nonsense stories when Hannah Cranston and Amberia Allen are on the show. I also feel that they tend to lose the thread of their arguments as they present them, resulting in a mush of vaguely leftist rhetoric. I have, so far, refrained from donating to TYT’s hire more investigative journalists campaign because show’s like today’s make me doubt that they even know what ought to be investigated. Why haven’t they done an in-depth discussion on the protests in Venezuela? Will the attack in Paris swing the French vote to Marine Le Pen? What about the insane execution schedule Arkansas has implemented because of drug shortages?
Both stories have had new developments and, frankly, have not been explored in the depth that I feel is needed to actually cover them. But, hey, I don’t watch every hour of TYT; it’s possible that I missed it. It’s all evidence, though, of a click-bait approach that disregards what the important news of the day is. Cover a story two days in a row instead of telling me about Pepe the Frog. I hear Cenk talking a lot about main stream media sources not taking his network seriously, but it’s a genuine credibility issue. If you go to their YouTube page right now, there’s an honest to God video titled ‘The Great TYT Bubble Butt Debate of 2016.’
You know, and I know, that they regularly produce good content, but is it any wonder that it is so often eclipsed? I understand doing a lighter news hour, but does it have to be a nonsense news hour? How about covering why Italians are leaving their cities to return to farming? (9% more Italian citizens under the age of 35 worked in agriculture in 2016 than in 2015.) Or do a story about how apps like Blinkist and Joosr are changing the way we read. They’re having a moment. It’s time to maximize the network’s potential.
Agree, sort of, but remember that they are still reliant – mostly – for others do to the primary reporting (particularly for everything outside of the US). Personally, I could do without a lot of the celebrity and social coverage, but I appreciate that mine is not the only view/demographic that they are trying to appease…
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I thought the part where Amberia looked uncomfortable was necessary. People who have never heard the Christian co-opting of pagan rituals are going to be uncomfortable, but ultimately the reasonable ones will understand history. This is one area where we can’t be afraid of making people uncomfortable if we’re to move forward, as long as we stay considerate.
I’m on Katy Perry’s side here as well. How else are we to understand other cultures without bumbling through it, leading to hilarious misunderstandings? Outrage people are too quick to attribute bad intent.
Honestly, this hour would have been improved if you edited out Hannah and Amberia. Amberia seems out of touch and Hannah is one step above Has. Seriously most of this hour was really cringy to watch and I mostly just agreed with Cenk. There were obviously parts that were just fair disagreements among hosts, but there were also other parts where Cenk seemed armed and ready to go and the other hosts were just flat-footed and ultimately failed to argue their points well. It’s frustrating when I’m watching and there are hosts that just seem amateurish when you compare them to the ‘main guys’ (Cenk, John, Ana, Ben, etc…). I just find myself internally screaming the whole time trying to keep up with all the bad points and assumptions that end up being made on air. Also, please stop doing fluff pieces in the second hour. I like watching both but I think I’m, gonna start reading the descriptions to see if there’s any substance because I SERIOUSLY don’t give a fuck about what Katy Perry is doing on her social media.
I live in Ocala, Florida. Trinity Catholic is a private school. There is alot of money from donors in that school. He didn’t get fired because the ones that “run” the school agree with his teachings. That’s why he only got a slap on the wrist. There wouldn’t have been any punishment if there wasn’t any backlash from the students and parents.
it is painful to watch amberia cringe anytime religion is questioned.. she doesnt ever even try to explain her position, so i’m not sure what the benefit of having her on for religious discussion is. grace considers herself a christian as well but at least you’ve had productive discussions with her about it because she has an open mind.
let’s get money AND jesus out of politics
Completely agree. I like Grace and am usually excited to see her take on stories whereas Amberia fails to defend herself in any way but rather just kind of laughs at Cenk’s harsh words as if that is defense enough. Amberia needs to demonstrate her nuanced position that differs from Cenk’s or explain the assumptions she’s scoffing at Cenk for so as to explain herself and let Cenk defend himself on air and ultimately have interesting political discourse on air. She continuously fails to do this and for that reason, I don’t really understand why TYT keeps having her back. I may be harsh but I take my news seriously, sorry.
I come from a “fundamentalist” catholic family. My family can’t stand the current Pope. There are so many factions of beliefs in Catholicism. At my Catholic grade school, ran by Irish nuns, they believed females should be priests. Then a conservative priest came in and took their power away and fired the “liberal” teachers who we divorced. Told us to avoid tv because it had horns and a tail (this was 2007-08), but don’t worry the internet was fine. Told us that drums weren’t sacred enough for a choir…I could go on. It was insane. That was when I was first exposed to the stereotypical crazy Catholics everyone had assumed I was before. I don’t practice/believe anymore, but my family still attends pro life marches and bitches about how the free the nipple campaign is fucking up america.
Not for nothing but the way Hannah speaks is annoying. There is no fluidity with her words.
man not just annoying, the level of analysis of her thought processes seems to plateau at approximately 10 grade levels lower than the other two people at the desk. Thank god for Amberia, though, why isn’t she the one anchoring?
Katy Perry: NOT GUILTY! We cannot look at intent? What are you talking about?! We HAVE TO look at intent, as it is the most important consideration – that is also a cornerstone of our justice system.
Certain libs need to get a grip and stop being offended at everything. The internet is full of Jesus memes, both ‘offensive’ and innocuous. I don’t see libs flipping out over that. As they shouldn’t – this is a matter of free speech. As Cenk pointed out, the concept of ‘cultural appropriation’ is misused and taken too far way too often. It’s because of this constant whining and complaining of hurt feelings over everything and anything that libs have a reputation for being snowflakes. This also makes it harder to be taken seriously when you want to raise awareness of issues where people are actually being mistreated and which warrant the public getting upset.
Totally agree. I’m one of those who teeters between millennial and gen-x (born in 1980) and most of the time I’m pretty millennial-ish, but this was way too snowflake-y and eyeroll inducing. I’m also agnostic like Cenk, so you want to make fun of Jesus, Mohammed, Kali? Have at it hoss.
Even with the “white people can’t wear dreads” or “don’t dress up as a geisha for halloween” are just taking things too far for me. Dreads are a hairstyle; I don’t care to police people’s hairstyle. If you’re a white person and then you put on a hat with fake dreads and start going “ha ha I’m a thug!” and mocking people from a certain race, then yeah, that’s appropriation and shitty and racist. But if you want to wear dreads because you decided that will look cool, then… really? You can only select that hairstyle if you’re of a certain ethnicity? No way. That makes NO sense to me.
And the costumes. For one thing, non-Asian people cosplay Asian characters ALL THE TIME, and no one minds. Mostly because it’s clear that these cosplayers respect and love the culture from which these characters and identities are coming from. So, again. You want to dress up as a geisha, which is a real, historical identity, because you find the image and history of the geisha really cool and fascinating and beautiful. Go for it. Put on the make-up, find a beautiful kimono, fix your hair up. There is a difference, again, between doing that and: taping your eyes so they’re “squinty” and going “ching chong!” like a racist moron to get a laugh out of your equally racist friends.
And seriously, Katy Perry isn’t Christian but she was “born” Christian? Who the fuck cares?? So if she were born agnostic then she gets a pass. How was it her choice to be born into a certain religion? I get privilege, believe me; I absolutely do. Being white, being male, being straight — these do afford a person certain privileges, and we should all be aware of that. But that doesn’t mean that Katy Perry being born into a Christian family means she cannot use an image of a goddess as a meme.
I mean have these people even BEEN on tumblr?
The point of critiquing white dreads isn’t to police the hair style. It’s to point out the hypocrisy. Rather than scoff and roll your eyes, try listening to people when they’re trying to explain their experience to you. When only black people wore dreads, they were policed, like the rest of black life. You couldn’t show up to an office environment in dreads no matter how pressed your suit was, because that was a look that said you were poor and untrustworthy. Black people used to burn their scalps with chemicals to try and get approved white people style hair. Black women still wear weaves today. The ideas of beauty were burned into black people to mean “white” and “white haired”. Then some white person comes a long and decides that they’re going to just take that look, and society adjusts to make it the new thing. It’s suddenly all ok now, because WHITE. THAT is what we’re talking about here. We’re not talking about the hair or the clothes, but the human being associated with those things, and how that iconography was used to target an oppressed group. Take any drug, or music, or clothes or hair or slang. It’s criminalized when associated with a class or race of people, as part of criminalizing those people, and the criminalizing of it makes it cool, to young, white entitled people, and they adopt it. The system normalizes it, because the point is to attack the black people, not the hair, or the clothes or the music.
This is true of all native american co-option and any other minority and oppressed group in history. Indian feathers on white people was a symbol of how many Indians you’d killed. Now they’re a cute accessory at Coachella for trust-fund white kids to wear. The same is true for Asian cosplay. If the only thing Asians could be in all of American pop culture was never oppressive to you, and now it’s cool, that doesn’t take away the decades and decades when that’s all you could ever be if you were Asian. These things aren’t just words or symbols that mean nothing. We’re not just talking about hurt feelings. We’re talking about a slap in the face reminder all the time that society is set up to favor one group and shit on another, and not just disfavor, but to constantly dehumanize those groups. The culture that holds an oppressed group together when they have nothing else is just picked up and made popular and profitable and turned into the new standard of wealth and beauty by people who are appropriating the suffering their people helped enact against the people they’re stealing from. Maybe listen to people next time, instead of assuming what they’re saying doesn’t affect you, so it must be unimportant.
People that are arguing that the second hour needs to have more serious and informative stories clearly haven’t been around for a while. Hour 2 was always supposed to be about fun and more lighthearted stories to offset the first hour.
Opinions on the hosts themselves… well, that’s another thing. I won’t watch an episode with Hass in it, so I feel ya. But, I suppose there’s something for everyone on TYT, so I keep watching and supporting.
Boo, no. I know the way Hour 2 has been run for years but why?? I have membership and watch TYT every day because I trust their political insights and care about what they have to say about major global current events. It is exhaustingly annoying to watch them do pointless stories in the second hour when John has to jam in like 4 or 5 actual news stories that they ‘can’t get to’ because they have to cover the bullshit going on with Katy Perry…… I seriously don’t care and I have trouble believing the rest of the TYT audience really does either
I have to echo the sentiments of many other posters here. Topics such as “cultural appropriation”, “safe spaces”, and other liberal shenanigans are intellectually indefensible. How can you possibly explain to someone why “cultural appropriation” is even a thing worth considering, let alone to be taken seriously? It’s simply not. There’s no validity to it, and I’ve yet to see anyone make an actual case for why it matters. Oh, you don’t like that I eat tacos, braid my hair in dreadlocks, and dress like Vishnu on Halloween? Well too fucking bad. That’s just, like, your opinion man.
Please stop validating these intellectually bankrupt concepts, because they are just impossible to defend to people who are centrist, conservative, or who just think for themselves. And, even if they were somehow defensible or worth the average person’s consideration, what do you expect to ever change about it? Vishnu is always going to be a ridiculous looking deity worth laughing at.
Cultural appropriation is a real thing and it is maddening when you look at what Cenk mentioned: a lot of very famous songs that we know, are actually white people covering music that black people created. I’m not sure that white musicians should be blamed at all, but it’s a real phenomenon.
Safe spaces, for example, are important in places where you have frequent bullying of LGBT people – as in locker rooms. The gym that I go to, for example, is at a university, and has a lot of ‘advertising’ about safe space for LGBT people and people with disabilities. This makes people feel more comfortable, because they know that the administration will protect them. Also, potential bullies know that they will get in trouble if they bother LGBT people. And lastly, seeing this open acceptance by others on a daily basis I think does a lot to change people’s preconceived biases. So I think ‘safe space’ campaigns do have a legitimate purpose.
That’s all well and good, but you didn’t provide any reasoning for why Cultural Appropriation is worthy of any discussion. So white people played music made by black people. So what? Why does this matter? Did these white people do a better job/give it more mass appeal? Then good. Why is this a problem? Is it only a problem because these people were white? If you answer yes to this question, then your proposition is based on racism against white people. If you answer no, then the best case scenario is that you’re advocating thought-policing.
Unless there’s something I’m missing, there is just no validity to cultural appropriation.
I don’t speak for Fairy Queen, but they did give you a reason why cultural appropriation is “worthy of discussion” with their example of black music. The issue isn’t white people embracing black music, the issue is the unfairness, the double-standard, of how black artists were criticized by white audiences for how their music sounded, or how much they moved, or for being too raucous or sexual, only for white artists to be praised and celebrated for doing exactly the same thing.
Now there’s an argument that that made black music more acceptable, gave it more mass appeal as you say, but there was also the phenomenon of popular black artists being booked to play for segregated audiences at white-only venues, or radio stations refusing to play black music while playing music inspired by it. The point is the white majority was taking black culture and not exchanging it, there was no give and take. Black people were contributing to culture but not being rewarded or recognized for it, and I think that is the essence of cultural appropriation, that one-sided unjust relationship.
There are plenty of bad examples of CA and I certainly think it’s overused. I don’t think white people should be assaulted for wearing cornrows or dreadlocks. But there is some validity to it and I certainly think it is worth discussing, and doing so is not “racism against white people” or “thought-policing.” Keep an open mind and don’t let the bad examples lead you to ignore the valid ones.
I’m not saying that cultural appropriation NEVER occurred. I’m simply saying that it has no relevance to modern America. I’m not aware of any “whites-only venues” in modern America. I would appreciate if you can provide an example of this, as I may be out of the loop here. But these all sound like issues from 50 years ago. I would argue that the only existing examples of cultural appropriation ARE the fringe cases like cornrows. In other words, the only things left to talk about/resolve are the ones that aren’t worth the time and effort and which would have no actual measurable benefit.
Furthermore, you said there’s no give-take exchange between white culture/black culture. I would agree with this, but for a different reason than you might expect. As a white American, I can honestly say that I have no idea what “white culture” is. There is not a single thing my life that I feel I can point to and say “oh, that’s a white person thing” or, “if a black/asian/whatever person did that, it would be a form of cultural appropriation.” It just doesn’t exist. My mind is definitely open on this matter, or I wouldn’t be talking about it. However, I just don’t feel that any of these examples rise above the level of “things worth dealing with”, especially when we have actual issues in this country which still need solving.
If we ever overcome poverty, the over-incarceration of blacks, and sexual discrimination, then maybe we can come back to cultural appropriation.
We should all stop calling the anti abortion forces “pro life” they are anti- abortion. we play into their messaging /propoganda when we acquiesce and call them pro lifel
We should stop calling them anti-abortion. If they were they would support policies that are actually proven to reduce abortions, like comprehensive sex-ed, contraceptives, and general women’s health services that are a lot of what Planned Parenthood actually provides. The truth is they are pro-control, usually of women’s bodies.
That cultural appropriation segment was weird.
Isn’t cenk one of the guys who would say “Why do I have to respect your rule not to draw the prophet mohammed”?
I can see a cultural appropriation argument when it’s physical, daily things like food or clothes or hair (and even then, usually I think get over yourselves). But your made up fairy person? Hah! You believe whatever you want, I’ll draw the prophet, tell God he’s a fucker, and get a tattoo of vishnu on my face if I want. I have 0 respect for following the rules of *your* religion.
Cultural Appropriation. Sounds like a far left war cry. Welcome to America. The ultimate melting pot. We appropriate everything we don’t kill.
I mean, really. “Accept me! I’m [insert whatever]! But don’t celebrate my [whatever] with me. That’s reserved for me and mine only!”
I think there’s a lot of generalization going on with the discussion of the way in which early Christians “adopted” so-called Pagan festivals/traditions. Just seems to gloss over a lot of details and historical interplay. I get that you don’t have time to go into depths but glossing over it in this way does a little injustice to the history of these traditions themselves. I’m not super Christian or a Pagan either, just a scholar of the history of religion.
Hannah, your beauty is distracting!! I don’t think I retained a single thing from this episode
I am with Cenk 100% on the cultural appropriation/religion stuff. Quick side note, according to wikipedia the tradition of decorated eggs goes back up to 60,000 years! TIL
Cultural appropriation is complete and utter bullshit. Get over yourself.
Oh what a world. Oh what a world. Imitation used to be flattery. Now it is a form of assault. Total nonsense
Perhaps I’m missing the point, but cultural appropriation in of it self seems harmless, maybe even beneficial. Taking aspects of a culture and integrating it with your own seems like a stabilizing factor in combating discrimination and rasicm in a states populous. Obviously, if someone is distasteful, or disparaging they are just being an asshole. I guess what I’m saying is if wearing the Hijab was trendy, I’d suspect the pandemic of vilification aimed at Islam would be less problematic.
Hannah is by far my least favorite host. She talks too much with no substance. Who cares about Katie Perry we want news. Most of these stories should not be on the main show. I think Amberia brings an interesting perspective.
No hannah on the main show!!!
Hannah conflate women of different dimensions/size/stature with diversity and goes on to say we should all accept diversity. Then she carries on about being unhappy with her own body because she compares it to runway models. I don’t know, is she playing victim or what?!?! Fortunately she does not get cut off, but seems oblivious to the others on the show who were just basically hanging their heads waiting for her to finish her rant. I turned off the volume.
YOU’RE A STUPID CUNT HANNAH!
PRAISE KEK!
NIGGERS ARE RACIST AND TYT WONT COVER THE STORY ABOUT THE FRESNO MUSLIM RACIST NIGGER!
THANK YOU WEAPONIZED AUTISM!
LETTERS IN THE MAIL!
Whoa nelly
I will add I feel this way also about Sam Schacker. She is always making faces about her “strong opinions”. I agree with you about Hannah and I raise you Sam; ) They really need to have a talk with these people to tone it down with the politically correct bs.
Auth leftism ew gross laters
Also with the skirt, Zara is European, we aren’t all keeping up with American hate symbols, just like tyt isn’t keeping up with all European stories.
Also I live in a tiny city in Australia so if I personally know people who won’t watch the show when she’s on, imagine how many exist in the USA.
Right now I feel at war with the concept that the left and PC culture are trying to take away freedom and that trying to evolve and progress issues is just a bunch of people being to sensitive and easily offended. Pick your damn battles and stop playing into to these stereotypes and echo chambers. Have those opinions but don’t pick them as your news worthy stories so much.
Look guys poll your audience about Hannah, you have to stop letting her lead this stories, can you not see the difference between. Anna and Hannah?
Anna had a spectrum of opinions based on her knowledge and life experience that she is open to changing. Hannah is a regurgitator of the most extreme left wing ideologies, Hannah is why I have to have arguments with my friends over whether TYT is against free speech, Hannah is the reason I have to have arguments with people about the non existence of third wave feminism
And regressive leftism. Don’t sit there making fun of the sensitivity of the right wing then play exactly into the sterotypes they have with us. Fine let her on the show but for the love of god stop letting her lead and pick stories. If you don’t believe me poll your damn audience. I literally have no problem with any other person on the show.
Oh my god this makes me so happy. I don’t think her annoyance has anything do do with feminism, I think she’s just not that bright. In most stories someone else will say something and she will then regurgitate it but make it into a long winded point that I can’t even follow. I don’t think I know anyone that would think yeah I agree with her. I have gotten used to and like all the newer hosts now aside from Hannah. It’s actually painful to listen to.
I’m glad I’m not the only one who feels this. I really want to like her. I think she means well, and I’m enough of a lib that being critical of her makes me uncomfortable. But I’ve been frustrated with her since she shut down Francis on some issue of feminism a few weeks ago in hour two. She accused him of mansplaining, which I believe is a thing but not at all what Francis was doing. She used it to shut him down and I just thought that was really unreasonable. I consider myself a major feminist, don’t get me wrong. But I feel like she’s just experienced feminism from a cultural perspective and doesn’t have much depth to her thoughts on it. I don’t think she’s stupid, I think this is just something she’s latched on to because it gets a positive response from her personal fanbase.
Maybe she should have a discussion with Ana about it. I feel like Ana obviously can get fired up about women’s issues but in a way that has an important nuance and really makes me proud to call myself a feminist. I feel like Hannah has potential, but at this point I just find her sort of annoying.
Happy 4/20:D! Religion is bad and weed is good. Give up your faiths and smoke a bowl. Trust me the world will thank us!
Yep, 30 mins in and I’m out. Jesus fucking christ, who cares! All this segment proves is that religion is bad and pushes people away from each other. “You believe in X?” “Well I believe in Y” “Therefore, we should never relate and should hate each other!” That’s religion folks! That’s hour 2 in a nutshell folks!
I hate this cultural appropriation argument because we have greater issues at hand. While you complain about hair styles, young black men are being gunned down by the police. While you complain about white people wearing native costumes for Halloween, DAPL is happening. Seriously, you have the nerve to complain about Halloween costumes while innocent people are fighting and being attacked by the police? There are brave people fighting to protect our water, but you care more about HALLOWEEN COSTUMES!!!!! Please…please…oh my god please, focus your hatred towards DAPL or use that focus to support BLM. People are suffering and dying! At least act like you care about the true hatred and injustice in this country. Jesus, hell I’d rather you focus on Wolf Pac and getting money out of politics over the trivial shit you talk about in this hour!
Look, I’m an atheist…so keep that in mind. You guys do these stories about religion, first on the aspect of Muslim and also the fact that paganism is an influential factor in modern Christianity (which I agree), then on Katy Perry using an Hindu image. I have to say (again as an atheist) why THE FUCK DO YOU OR ANYONE ELSE CARES?!?!? This “my religion is holy and needs to be respected” shit needs to stop! Either all religions are holy and pious or none of them are holy and pious…again I’m a biased, baby-eating (according to fundamentalist Christians) atheist. So these stories annoy me sooo much. It’s just an image of a god, why do you care so much? If your “so-called” god is so powerful, why does it care if Katy Perry uses it’s image for a fucking social media post? Sounds like a thinned skinned god to me, no more better than our shitty orange leader! Take a chill pill, it’s all made up, so get over it!
SO MUCH THIS. also, if you’re going to talk about religion and it’s history or in the context of comparative religion, then do some homework first. This was not the worst attempt (easter/eostra paganism) but sometimes, those discussions lack soooo much academic thought/actual fact. History of and comparison of religion are knowable things, LEARN THEM if you want to talk about them! They are the only fact-based aspects of religion (other than statistics, but eww, stats).
Disrespectful or not, KP’s in mood falls into the realm of thought crime. Not Guilty.
Some asshole made a fake Grindr profile talking crazy about me, It had a picture of me from my Facebook profile. I’m a proud gay man and some of my friends flagged and reported it; I too emailed Grindr and explained my situation and they told me I had to make Grindr profile and “report it”. They didn’t do jack shit about it! It’s a shady place! I LOVE TYT and thank ya’ll very much for all your hard work!!!!
Cenk’s points on religion: factual, rational analysis with historical context
Ambreia: “Well, I don’t think so…” Followed by nothing resembling facts or a representation of historical knowledge
I agree, Cenk is very rational when it comes these religious stories! The other two…not so much!
Nobody on the panel stated that Jon Ossoff is not for Medicare for All and i havent seen him support getting money out of politics. Yes he is better then the alternative but it is important as a progressive outlet to state a candidates lack of progressive policies.
I literally had to stop 31 minutes in.
Why? Have you posted or sent your observations to TYT? Curious because I have just started this late and Im uncertain what the issue is. OK no worries. Later.
story after that is worth watching, the dating story. interesting.
I stopped 30 minutes and 45 seconds in. This is literally what gives TYT such a bad reputation on the internet. This. Not the left wing, bernie touting politics coverage as most young people agree with many left wing positions, but this. That fact that Cenk is disagreeing with much of what Hannah is saying makes me think he knows this, so why he lets this become the pervasive opinion of most of TYT, excluding him, baffles me
Cenk isn’t the thought police so he isn’t going to censor what any of his hosts or guest hosts say. He does tell his opinions or give counter arguments. I thought being progressive means understanding everyone thinks differently & that should be embraced not discouraged. “Everyone should think & act like me or they’re the enemy” is a right-wing thing but that’s the argument basically being made in some of these posts. I think TYT members should be better than that but that’s just my opinion.
Jesus (so to speak), take a pill. Such an innocuous story and such tempered opinions really made to flip out..? Talk about triggered.
I’m not angry, per say, but today’s show was poor quality, from the shock jock screeching of hour 1 to the unimportant ‘debates’ of the second. There is hard news everyday, and many stories go untold, but a subscription news service we all pay for is taking time to talk about Katy Perry’s instagram posts. It’s a waste of your time and of mine. I agree with many of the other commenters who feel that there are more nonsense stories when Hannah Cranston and Amberia Allen are on the show. I also feel that they tend to lose the thread of their arguments as they present them, resulting in a mush of vaguely leftist rhetoric. I have, so far, refrained from donating to TYT’s hire more investigative journalists campaign because show’s like today’s make me doubt that they even know what ought to be investigated. Why haven’t they done an in-depth discussion on the protests in Venezuela? Will the attack in Paris swing the French vote to Marine Le Pen? What about the insane execution schedule Arkansas has implemented because of drug shortages?
“Why haven’t they done an in-depth discussion on the protests in Venezuela?” – Wrong, did that early this week, or last.
“Will the attack in Paris swing the French vote to Marine Le Pen?” – True.
“What about the insane execution schedule Arkansas has implemented because of drug shortages?” – Wrong, did that earlier this week.
It was a 2nd Hour show; it will always be lighter than Hour 1; that’s not a bug, that’s the design intent.
Both stories have had new developments and, frankly, have not been explored in the depth that I feel is needed to actually cover them. But, hey, I don’t watch every hour of TYT; it’s possible that I missed it. It’s all evidence, though, of a click-bait approach that disregards what the important news of the day is. Cover a story two days in a row instead of telling me about Pepe the Frog. I hear Cenk talking a lot about main stream media sources not taking his network seriously, but it’s a genuine credibility issue. If you go to their YouTube page right now, there’s an honest to God video titled ‘The Great TYT Bubble Butt Debate of 2016.’
You know, and I know, that they regularly produce good content, but is it any wonder that it is so often eclipsed? I understand doing a lighter news hour, but does it have to be a nonsense news hour? How about covering why Italians are leaving their cities to return to farming? (9% more Italian citizens under the age of 35 worked in agriculture in 2016 than in 2015.) Or do a story about how apps like Blinkist and Joosr are changing the way we read. They’re having a moment. It’s time to maximize the network’s potential.
Agree, sort of, but remember that they are still reliant – mostly – for others do to the primary reporting (particularly for everything outside of the US). Personally, I could do without a lot of the celebrity and social coverage, but I appreciate that mine is not the only view/demographic that they are trying to appease…