We are never going to get anywhere unless we try. The convention is our best shot Cenk knows what he’s doing and we need to all get behind him and when the time comes the country needs to express its total outrage the same way it did the Tea Party and Occupy Wall Street and we will have an effect. We also have to pull together and go after the Koch brothers money that we start boycotting their businesses and their services and tell people why. Robert Sandera 2020
I hate to bring this up to the simpletons at Common Cause, but the State of Florida ACTUALLY PASSED A LAW that said thou shall not gerrymander districts. Do you honestly think that made a DENT? NO! Even on the books, the Republicans continue to gerrymander districts at will. If you REALLY want to do something, find a lawyer with big enough cajones to ENFORCE the law the people of the State of Florida already voted into existence. :-/
Regarding the Supreme Court, there is nothing in the Constitution that dictates how many Justices there needs to be. If Trump’s presidency is a disaster, and there are a lot of similarities between our current political and economic situation as compared with 1929 right before the crash and subsequent depression, an FDR like president could come in and simply add progressive Justices to the court. This is unlikely, but not as much as a constitutional convention, considering we have never had one.
There has never been a constitutional convention. I worry that the country would not survive it, considering how divided we are as a nation. At a constitutional convention, all change is on the table, including the agenda of multinational corporations.
i spent over an hour spamming the shit out of their youtube channel with a default msg giving the gist of the issue & linking to 18 min utube vid cenk did on this. man am i mad.
Cenk is right that Wolf-PAC needs to remain non-partisan and will need conservative support to reach its goals. The problem is that it’s associated with TYT and Cenk and its volunteers come from those ranks. Wolf-PAC needs a sister organization led by a popular figure on the right if it ever hopes to get lots of conservatives on board.
I agree. Our party system is so polarized right now that for some people I could see wolf-pac being a difficult pill to swallow even though they agree. If there were a right wing version of wolf-pac to unite forces with, dare i say it…? We could be… #toostrong.
Check out this video from the Common Cause Youtube channel from June last year, calling for an executive order to get money out of politics… how did that turn out?
Let us not forget that the delegates for this “convention” will be chosen based on the exact same rules that are used today to chose national representatives. Good stopping the Kochs from picking the delegates or even worse, hijack the entire process for their own goals.
Sec86379 said: “Let us not forget that the delegates for this “convention” will be chosen based on the exact same rules that are used today to chose national representatives. Good stopping the Kochs from picking the delegates or even worse, hijack the entire process for their own goals.”
the convention is called on a subject, so it can not be hijacked for just anything, also a national convention will have a lot of media attention. while the Kochs can buy representatives and even senators, it is hard to buy the president because everyone is watching, same with the votes on the convention.
lastly A call for a convention to take money out of politics, might not be necessary, If 20 states are asking to get money out of politics, maybe it will inspire enough people in congress to make the change themselves. But if you don’t push for what you want you wont get anything.
It can be hijacked, it also can be sabotaged. You place enough rotten apples into the wording of the call and you will get something completely different.
The bigger issue for me is that this effort, as noble as it is, will actually fail. If anything it could open the floodgates for even more money into politics. Technically speaking, the primary process has no constitutional grounds, that is, primaries are pure private business. Money will go through the primary process instead of the General elections.
there r no rotten apples in the amendment. it is constructed so that it has the least likely method of being misinterpreted, which relies on simplicity.
Actually the amendment itself is open to interpretation and as I said does not cover primaries which are private domain but that is a different matter altogether.
It is the call for the convention that the rotten apples might filter in. Technically speaking, playing with the wording by each state legislature might open the road to adding new amendments or play with the process of the amendment itself.
Ok it can be hijacked…what is your plan for an alternative? Simply shooting something down with “what if’s” is easy. There are always “what if’s” with anything, regardless of what action is taken. What, we are going to trust the people that are benefiting from the system to do anything or to craft some perfect legislation to take care of all contingencies? They have proven there inability and have been doing so for a very long time. As Mark Twain said: “Now suppose you have a politician. And now suppose you have a moron…but then I repeat myself”
Hiding behind our fear of the unknown is what the establishment is depending on. Drastic times call for drastic measures and it’s time for the people to start fighting for themselves
No one said the problem was easy to solve but no one said that there are no alternatives. One must have a plan B if Plan A fails.
A favorite solution of mine, which I prefer to other solutions, is to scrap the non-profit status of political campaigns and all political organisations like 501 organisations and subject them to exorbitant taxation rates especially if they chose to become political. This won’t solve the problem but will deter contributors from entering into the fray.
If the Kochs were taxed at a 50% rate on all their political spending over the last cycle that would have payed more tax for campaign finance than their actual taxes they currently pay for the federal government.
The $2000 a plate dinners would be something from the past if they were taxed at 50 or 60% of plate price. Even out of state money can’t be that effective (assuming money will go to no tax states since Super PAC taxation is a state matter) because they have to register in state to spend and this is subject to taxation.
Finally, call me old school but progressives are as much to blame in the current blight of money as conservatives, because they destroyed the old Political Party Structure (whereby candidates were answerable first to the party bosses) and introduced primaries and term limits.
Let us not forget that what brought SC, Medicare, Civil Rights, Wall Street Regulations etc. was the old political machine system as corrupt as it was. There were no primaries back then and even a man as powerful as Roosevelt was had no power to chose his own VP. It was done behind closed doors in smoke filled rooms but it worked. The primary system was good enough until people running in the primaries got the right to raise money independently from the party (they used to get equal amounts) and that lead special interests to inject massive amounts of cash if not inject their own surrogates.
This system is well entrenched right now but it needs to be controlled.
We have never had a constitutional convention, thus there is no precedent or case law interpreting how it would or should operate. I fear multinational corporations would influence it.
If Common Cause simply pursued their own strategy however bad and left Wolf Pac alone that would be one thing. But to actively use resources to fight against a constitutional amendment makes them as bad as the Koch Brothers in my opinion.
The environment and the American people cannot sit back and wait for demographic change or the deaths of old white men–we do not have that kind of time. Cenk knows politics and I’m happy he’s leading the tyt army.
Glad to know the truth behind how our efforts in NM came up short. Since this is already a reoccurring issue with Common Cause and will most likely escalate, are you able to also share how much money they’ve spent lobbying against Wolf PAC? Especially compared to money spent towards their other ‘efforts?’ Would provide empirically ironic evidence concerning their fight to get money out of politics.
I’d be willing to put in the leg work to research and publish, but would need your help identifying where to start.
Common Cause… What a bunch of of sleaze bags. It’s one thing to do nothing about corruption, but to actively fight for it whilst shitting on all those volunteers is really truely gross. Fuck Common Cause
Since seeing the first hour, I have been tweeting out telling everyone Common Cause is a fraud, not progressive, and owned by its donors just like the DNC. I also passed along the petition. It felt good.
I tried to call Common Cause. Their general voicemail box was full, so I tried the option 2 to get the the president of common cause. That option just circled me back to the main menu. Oh well, there is always tomorrow.
Powerful Post Game. I can see the frustration and anger in Cenk’s face and that’s what most the country is feeling. So glad to be a part of the TYT Army and a member. Common Cause and like minded Politicians, Democratic or Republican don’t know who they’re messing with. #TooStrong
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We are never going to get anywhere unless we try. The convention is our best shot Cenk knows what he’s doing and we need to all get behind him and when the time comes the country needs to express its total outrage the same way it did the Tea Party and Occupy Wall Street and we will have an effect. We also have to pull together and go after the Koch brothers money that we start boycotting their businesses and their services and tell people why. Robert Sandera 2020
I hate to bring this up to the simpletons at Common Cause, but the State of Florida ACTUALLY PASSED A LAW that said thou shall not gerrymander districts. Do you honestly think that made a DENT? NO! Even on the books, the Republicans continue to gerrymander districts at will. If you REALLY want to do something, find a lawyer with big enough cajones to ENFORCE the law the people of the State of Florida already voted into existence. :-/
Regarding the Supreme Court, there is nothing in the Constitution that dictates how many Justices there needs to be. If Trump’s presidency is a disaster, and there are a lot of similarities between our current political and economic situation as compared with 1929 right before the crash and subsequent depression, an FDR like president could come in and simply add progressive Justices to the court. This is unlikely, but not as much as a constitutional convention, considering we have never had one.
There has never been a constitutional convention. I worry that the country would not survive it, considering how divided we are as a nation. At a constitutional convention, all change is on the table, including the agenda of multinational corporations.
i spent over an hour spamming the shit out of their youtube channel with a default msg giving the gist of the issue & linking to 18 min utube vid cenk did on this. man am i mad.
and i live in australia lol
Cenk is right that Wolf-PAC needs to remain non-partisan and will need conservative support to reach its goals. The problem is that it’s associated with TYT and Cenk and its volunteers come from those ranks. Wolf-PAC needs a sister organization led by a popular figure on the right if it ever hopes to get lots of conservatives on board.
I agree. Our party system is so polarized right now that for some people I could see wolf-pac being a difficult pill to swallow even though they agree. If there were a right wing version of wolf-pac to unite forces with, dare i say it…? We could be… #toostrong.
Check out this video from the Common Cause Youtube channel from June last year, calling for an executive order to get money out of politics… how did that turn out?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZF-RxC1s3yI
at 1:15 there is a speaker calling for a constitutional convention!
524 views up until now…
For those calling for a constitutional convention, I suggest they watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWtO2MHO-kE
Let us not forget that the delegates for this “convention” will be chosen based on the exact same rules that are used today to chose national representatives. Good stopping the Kochs from picking the delegates or even worse, hijack the entire process for their own goals.
Sec86379 said: “Let us not forget that the delegates for this “convention” will be chosen based on the exact same rules that are used today to chose national representatives. Good stopping the Kochs from picking the delegates or even worse, hijack the entire process for their own goals.”
the convention is called on a subject, so it can not be hijacked for just anything, also a national convention will have a lot of media attention. while the Kochs can buy representatives and even senators, it is hard to buy the president because everyone is watching, same with the votes on the convention.
lastly A call for a convention to take money out of politics, might not be necessary, If 20 states are asking to get money out of politics, maybe it will inspire enough people in congress to make the change themselves. But if you don’t push for what you want you wont get anything.
It can be hijacked, it also can be sabotaged. You place enough rotten apples into the wording of the call and you will get something completely different.
The bigger issue for me is that this effort, as noble as it is, will actually fail. If anything it could open the floodgates for even more money into politics. Technically speaking, the primary process has no constitutional grounds, that is, primaries are pure private business. Money will go through the primary process instead of the General elections.
there r no rotten apples in the amendment. it is constructed so that it has the least likely method of being misinterpreted, which relies on simplicity.
Actually the amendment itself is open to interpretation and as I said does not cover primaries which are private domain but that is a different matter altogether.
It is the call for the convention that the rotten apples might filter in. Technically speaking, playing with the wording by each state legislature might open the road to adding new amendments or play with the process of the amendment itself.
Ok it can be hijacked…what is your plan for an alternative? Simply shooting something down with “what if’s” is easy. There are always “what if’s” with anything, regardless of what action is taken. What, we are going to trust the people that are benefiting from the system to do anything or to craft some perfect legislation to take care of all contingencies? They have proven there inability and have been doing so for a very long time. As Mark Twain said: “Now suppose you have a politician. And now suppose you have a moron…but then I repeat myself”
Hiding behind our fear of the unknown is what the establishment is depending on. Drastic times call for drastic measures and it’s time for the people to start fighting for themselves
No one said the problem was easy to solve but no one said that there are no alternatives. One must have a plan B if Plan A fails.
A favorite solution of mine, which I prefer to other solutions, is to scrap the non-profit status of political campaigns and all political organisations like 501 organisations and subject them to exorbitant taxation rates especially if they chose to become political. This won’t solve the problem but will deter contributors from entering into the fray.
If the Kochs were taxed at a 50% rate on all their political spending over the last cycle that would have payed more tax for campaign finance than their actual taxes they currently pay for the federal government.
The $2000 a plate dinners would be something from the past if they were taxed at 50 or 60% of plate price. Even out of state money can’t be that effective (assuming money will go to no tax states since Super PAC taxation is a state matter) because they have to register in state to spend and this is subject to taxation.
Finally, call me old school but progressives are as much to blame in the current blight of money as conservatives, because they destroyed the old Political Party Structure (whereby candidates were answerable first to the party bosses) and introduced primaries and term limits.
Let us not forget that what brought SC, Medicare, Civil Rights, Wall Street Regulations etc. was the old political machine system as corrupt as it was. There were no primaries back then and even a man as powerful as Roosevelt was had no power to chose his own VP. It was done behind closed doors in smoke filled rooms but it worked. The primary system was good enough until people running in the primaries got the right to raise money independently from the party (they used to get equal amounts) and that lead special interests to inject massive amounts of cash if not inject their own surrogates.
This system is well entrenched right now but it needs to be controlled.
We have never had a constitutional convention, thus there is no precedent or case law interpreting how it would or should operate. I fear multinational corporations would influence it.
Cenk, you should put this post game out on Youtube. The America outside of tytnetwork needs and deserves to see this.
If Common Cause simply pursued their own strategy however bad and left Wolf Pac alone that would be one thing. But to actively use resources to fight against a constitutional amendment makes them as bad as the Koch Brothers in my opinion.
As of 0424 GMT (it was sent 5hrs ago) it has ten likes and ten retweets, one RT of which was me Rting with “You will not win this fight”
Oh, it also has 107 replies from an enraged TYT Army. Lol. Too Strong!
They refer to an Article V Constitutional Convention as “An Article V ConCon” which is he most Republican-ass wordplay in the world.
The environment and the American people cannot sit back and wait for demographic change or the deaths of old white men–we do not have that kind of time. Cenk knows politics and I’m happy he’s leading the tyt army.
Glad to know the truth behind how our efforts in NM came up short. Since this is already a reoccurring issue with Common Cause and will most likely escalate, are you able to also share how much money they’ve spent lobbying against Wolf PAC? Especially compared to money spent towards their other ‘efforts?’ Would provide empirically ironic evidence concerning their fight to get money out of politics.
I’d be willing to put in the leg work to research and publish, but would need your help identifying where to start.
Common Cause… What a bunch of of sleaze bags. It’s one thing to do nothing about corruption, but to actively fight for it whilst shitting on all those volunteers is really truely gross. Fuck Common Cause
Since seeing the first hour, I have been tweeting out telling everyone Common Cause is a fraud, not progressive, and owned by its donors just like the DNC. I also passed along the petition. It felt good.
I tried to call Common Cause. Their general voicemail box was full, so I tried the option 2 to get the the president of common cause. That option just circled me back to the main menu. Oh well, there is always tomorrow.
Sure is.
bring it!
Powerful Post Game. I can see the frustration and anger in Cenk’s face and that’s what most the country is feeling. So glad to be a part of the TYT Army and a member. Common Cause and like minded Politicians, Democratic or Republican don’t know who they’re messing with. #TooStrong
And from the sound of their strategies, I think we’ll have them stepping out of the way in no time. #TooStrong
Hell yeah!!!
bring i!