Murder With Friends: Tupac & Biggie

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Grace Baldridge and comedian, Anyi Malik, talk the unsolved murders of rappers and rivals, Tupac and Biggie Smalls.

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  1. Tupac was seen on closed circuit television stomping out a member of the Crips. His murder shortly after was a retaliation. Biggie, when visiting the West Coast would hire Crips as security, due to the East Coast/West Coast rivalry, and being that the Death Row camp were Blood affiliated, on a street level, it “made sense” to hire the opposition. After Pac was dead, Biggie didn’t think he needed to hire these Crip gang members as security, and they disagreed….. at least this is the theory I heard back when all this went down.

    1. Rap was all about kickin’ it and dancin’ back then? Maybe in the 80s….

      The Sun Rises in the East
      Fear of a Black Planet
      Return of the Boom Bap
      Enter the 36 Chambers
      Bacdafucup
      The Infamous
      Illmatic

      should I go?

  2. Okay, where I feel and totally get that people idolize and can fantasize really that their faves are still alive or didn’t kill themselves because they think the person is great, that most certainly a thing. Fair, But I ask you what about the conspiracy theory about Marilyn and the facts around her childhood. I have my fair share of mental illness and childhood trauma then adult trauma. Think about how idolized her BODY was back then in the media. If anyone wanted Marilyn that bad, like the president and his brother, whose Sister Rosemary was also mentally ill and from everything I have read about her and her Lobotomy it broke their family forever emotionally, it makes sense that the boys would use their powerful connections to meet this “sex goddess” as JFK called her. She was seeing doctors, she hated them. they did the same thing to her they do to me. They give Rape victims drugs and mood stabilizers when we are pressured to have sex and be sexy and be stable and fake perfect for the world. Marilyn called the WHITE house to threaten the President and his brother. most likely with the fact she banged them both. thats a scandal, she was educating herself and trying to be more grounded and stable. The drug that killed her I looked up its a hypnotic substance. NO doctor gives a manic depressive chick hypnotic drugs unless they want her to comply with something she doesn’t want. LIKE enema murder. and the fact Jimmy Hoffa HATED her and her house was taped and there are soon many tapes of jfk and her, Rob and her. watch “Say goodbye to the President” on youtube. seriously. I love you guys no disrespect. just don’t throw her under the bus like that please. It hurt my heart. AND IF She did do it to herself she is just another statistic of people covering up an abused woman killing herself from pain very very poorly.

  3. Absolutely loved this one!! Honestly I was only 4 years old when all of this went down, and grew up in a fairly strict Christian household, so rap music was definitely not allowed and not something I was actively seeking out either. So admittedly I was pretty clueless about all of it and it’s not something you can lightly tell people either, if you didn’t know Tupac or the Notorious B.I.G people will low key freak out on you. It’s crazy how much back story there was to all of this and such a feud between bigger players, it’s really sad that we lost 2 amazing rap icons because of it though.

    So thank you for enlightening me on something I have always been curious about!! Seems like I need to listen to some rap music now (and see what it was really like before that extreme macho rap became popular like Anyi said).

  5. Tupac and biggy were cool with the “fued” as it helped propel record sales.

    The CIA wanted Pac dead to make sure a leader of his caliber doesn’t lead a socialist revolution against the powerful monied interests in the world

    To keep the story silenced and closed , they killed biggy… it’s terribly sad

  6. DamnTheMan made some good points. LOVED it when Anyi Malik took up some of my MAIN bard Shakespeare with that skull. ‘Alas, poor Yorick, I knew him Horatio…’

    SO. Why the HELL are these murders unsolved with so much delay in producing autopsies and such? Looks to me like the LAPD, right after the Rodney King beating in ’91 and the humongous ‘Free all day like OJ’ verdict in ’95, was doubling down on treating issues that went on in the black communities or with women and girls of ANY color coast to coast with a systematically lackadaisical, nonchalant attitude. The old Carnegie and other wealthy class-paid private police force that could systematically kill, torture, ignore or turn striking workers, newly freed slaves and others against each other still remains in fundamental policing in America, as Balls Through the Wall Michael A. Wood, Jr makes plain every time you see him.

    The ’90s were that awful time just before the new inflammable Library of Alexandria, the Internet, came to the aid of the poor and middle class in the form of first desktops,, then laptops followed by the pocket devices we have today and all the social media that comes with them. Allowing animosity to build like it did with Pac and Biggie, then letting things escalate to the point of two major murders without thorough investigations, allowing results to be ridiculously delayed causing ‘Elvis’ theories to take over common sense is an OUTRAGE against humanity. It is also the reason We The People have to use everything at our disposal to expose this and work harder to see that those police officers and/or chiefs responsible get indicted, put on trial and punished like everyone else who is suspected of committing a crime.

    We need to work with Michael A. Wood, Jr on serious policing reform via his methods, via Wolf-Pac to get the money that is one reason for this kind of corruption OUT of politics and via the Justice Democrats to Primary OUT the kind of politicians who support bad policing like this. No more ‘unsolved’ shit.

    Thank you Grace and Anyi!

  7. I was 15 in 1996 and lived in Northern California. Tupac, for better or worse, was one of the leaders of our culture at the time. That rap scene (Tupac, Dr Dre, Snoop Dogg, etc) was even popular with us white kids and had an influence over our everyday lives. I wasn’t following the news closely at that age, but I remember the drama surrounding the question of whether Biggie was involved in the first shooting, and I was shocked when they both died. This was only a couple years after the death of Kurt Cobain, too, which also shocked me. I remember watching Kurt Cobain completely change the musical landscape and feeling like I was witnessing the history of our generation. Then there was a gaping hole where he once stood, and I kept wondering what else he could have accomplished. It’s rough when the icons of your generation die and are so suddenly ripped out of the collective culture.

  8. Oh, goody you’re back! I’m new to the show, but I’m so addicted that I watched the whole lot in a week. I also went on a YouTube rampage because you mentioned you want to do some more international stories in 2017. I’m English, so there is 10 Rillington Place. The BBC did a drama, last year, and there’s also a Richard Attenborough film. The Croydon Poisonings 1930’s, and a whole bunch of others that are more recent, like Fred and Rosemary West. I also found a really, really fascinating French one. The Papin Sisters, also 1930’s. Talk about a screwed up childhood. Plays were inspired, 2 films, Simone De Beauvoire and Jean Paul Satre were in correspondence about it. It made all the newspapers, detective magazines, and started a large class system debate. And added a whole new layer to criminal psychology. Anyway I really enjoy your show, so keep on keeping on guys!

  9. How about a presentation for Antonin Scalia? Right, he wasn’t murdered? A Supreme Court justice dies during the night at a rich man’s ranch in Texas, no autopsy, the sheriff signs off by telephone.

    1. I’m English, so I don’t know much about it, except he was a Supreme Court Judge. It sounds fascinating though, I second your idea!

    2. Actually, obese 80 year old men die regularly. Especially if they spent a busy day out and about at their rich friend’s hunting ranch. Which does not mean he could not have been murdered. But he’d already outlived his life expectancy, based on his obesity and overall health.

  10. Possible future episode – Murder or Mercy? Charles Cullen and Donald Harvey. Both were nurses that caused many deaths. Donald Harvey in news recently.

  11. Great episode! I never really knew the details of their deaths because I was taking care of my baby daughter and going to college full time (as a single mom), so I didn’t have any free time. And afterward, the whole thing seemed so complicated, and the sources of information always seemed either too biased or too immersed in conspiracy theories, which made it a daunting thing to get into. I’m really glad you covered it.

    I also really liked Anyi. I’ll have to check out his album.

    Continued thanks to Grace, Amir, and the entire crew of MWF. You all rock!

  12. I think one of the reasons people think Tupac is alive is because of the “Makaveli” albums. They were released after his death and the album name alone alludes to possibly faking your death (machiavelli faked his death to fool his enemies). I do think he is dead, but I can see where people are connecting those dots. Also what I learned from this episode is that I may be considered “old” now. Decked out in my Bad Boy charm necklace I was a hard ass gangster in my white suburban neighborhood lol. White girl speaking thuganomics was probably the least classiest part of my life :-)

  16. I’ll show my age by telling you Pac died on my 17th birthday. My high school years were defined by this music! Great show as always! I think I’ll go listen to some “old school” rap on Pandora now…

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