Grace Baldridge is joined by Alonso Duralde and Dave White discuss notorious killer and grave robber, Ed Gein. Gein has inspired countless film characters.
I have to say I don’t seem to be able to appreciate horror movies like everybody else. Where there is a main villain who is meant to inspire fear, but I only get angrier and angrier at said villain.
It would be great to hear about serial killers from other countries. I had never heard of Ed Geins, though. As usual, a very good show. Loved the gentlemen. They seemed to have put a lot of research and thought into the show. Grace, you are my favorite female host on TYT. Keep up the great work.
Alonso and Dave were really great, loved this episode!
Re Silence of the Lambs being transphobic, there is discussion between Hannibal and Clarice that Buffalo Bill isn’t really trans. Hannibal says “Billy is not a real transsexual. But he thinks he is. He tries to be. He’s tried to be a lot of things, I expect…..Billy hates his own identity, you see, and he thinks that makes him a transsexual”, and Clarice says “There’s no correlation between transsexualism and violence. Transsexuals are very passive.” But I can see the problem of the fact that a terrifying murderer is now association that a lot of people have with transwomen, because of that movie.
I also think someone was oversensitive when they thought Silence of the Lambs was anti-trans. Is every movie about a straight guy killing women anti-hetero, of course not. Also, you are right that the killer character in that movie was not trans. ppl need to protest real issues, stuff like this hurts the cause.
The difference between a straight guy serial killer and a trans serial killer is that being straight is the “norm” in society, so being straight is not a defining characteristic of a character.
However, transgender characters are rarely represented in mainstream media, and therefore when you see someone who’s trans, it is a defining characteristic of that character. So when you rarely see trans people represented as “normal” in movies, and then you have a huge blockbuster with a wacko serial killer who thinks they’re trans, it hurts the image of trans people.
First of all: i LOVE this show! Please continue for the next (at least) 10 years.
A case that fascinates me since I first heard of it is the one of Armin Meiwes the “Rotenburg Cannibal”. He might have killed (and of course eaten) only one man but the circumstances are what’s quite unique: He found his victim Bernd Jürgen Armando Brandes on an online platform for people with cannibal fetishes. Brandes gave his consent to both…the killing and eating. They even shared a body part for dinner. I would love to hear Grace and her guests share their opinion on this case. Even the courts weren’t sure about this case…he only got convicted for manslaughter first and then in a retrial for murder.
Another case that I love to bring up whenever someone let’s me is the case of Carl Grossmann. He was a serial killer and cannibal in Berlin in the early 20th century and during world war 1 killed and ate at least 4 women. He lived in a slum district and would lure poor desperate women who came into the city to find work in those desperate times into his apartment where he then killed and butchered (since he actually was a butcher this term seems to fit) them. Some say that he sold parts of the meat in sausages in the streets and on black markets.
If you guys would like to cover one of the stories but have trouble finding English sources I could help by translating some German ones for you.
I love Alonso, and was really pleased to see Dave for the first time. They were really great in this episode, and really put a lot of this into context for me. I’m so glad you had them on, and I hope to see them come back at some point.
Great show, as always! Thanks to everyone who works on this show. I am as impressed with the latest episodes as I was with the first, which is why I keep telling everyone to watch MWF. Looking forward to the next one!
I understand the idea that one could have some degree of sympathy/empathy for Ed Guin as his actions may have been influenced by his relationship with his mother and thereby ascribing some guilt to his mother. That being the case one could take the infinite regression and ask what were the influences on his mother that caused her to behave the way she did? What is grandma’s guilt in Ed’s crimes? How did great-grandma influence grandma who influenced mom who influenced Ed?
I just loved this episode, although I think that of about all of them LOL This one was very well shot, better than the previous ones I think. I never knew I had an interest for murder :)
Grace, you are becoming so polished as a host. You are professional yet somehow are able to keep the feel of an intimate gathering of friends. It’s such a fun show! I look forward to new episodes every week.
I was considering the remarks about the third instalment of the Texas Chainsaw Massacre series. How strange is it that the same principles apply to other areas of social consumption as well? Once the shock of the new wears off, as one of the guests said, we begin to favor the villain. What has initially seemed so alarming, so grotesque, so disturbing on a basic level, after time and continued regurgitation, becomes a routine we know all too well. If the atrocity could not be stopped, simply reframe it to where it is no longer an atrocity. Then it is easier to switch to the winning side. So how then can we, as a society and culture, allow ourselves to examine these elements of humanity without compromising our own. In my opinion, the answer to this question will be essential during the next four years.
I was a little scared when I watched silence of the lambs. But I was petrified when I read the book. I couldn’t believe how much the book affected me- and that was after I had already seen the movie. Kudos to Thomas Harris for writing such a great thriller that scared me after I already knew the ending. The scene in the movie where clarice is walking thru buffalo bill’s house wearing night vision glasses– chilling in the book.
Grace tends to drop the last syllable of “horror,” which is super common among English speakers of many accents, especially when speaking quickly, but it just results in my hearing her refer to “whore movies” instead of “horror movies.” ????
Great series, please keep on going. I think if you venture away from N.America slightly, the stories are even more gruesome. In the USSR, you have Alexander Yuryevich and Andrei Chikatilo, In Scotland you have the stores of Christie Cleek / Sawney Bean.
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I have to say I don’t seem to be able to appreciate horror movies like everybody else. Where there is a main villain who is meant to inspire fear, but I only get angrier and angrier at said villain.
Grace you should totally do a recording of MWF inside the museum of Death! That would be F’king AWESOME!
Man, these guys are awesome! Love the two guests, charming as fuck! :D
he babysat for my mom’s best friend’s ex husband….
Cuz we’re old as hell, lmao!!!
It would be great to hear about serial killers from other countries. I had never heard of Ed Geins, though. As usual, a very good show. Loved the gentlemen. They seemed to have put a lot of research and thought into the show. Grace, you are my favorite female host on TYT. Keep up the great work.
Great idea, I agree.
Alonso and Dave were really great, loved this episode!
Re Silence of the Lambs being transphobic, there is discussion between Hannibal and Clarice that Buffalo Bill isn’t really trans. Hannibal says “Billy is not a real transsexual. But he thinks he is. He tries to be. He’s tried to be a lot of things, I expect…..Billy hates his own identity, you see, and he thinks that makes him a transsexual”, and Clarice says “There’s no correlation between transsexualism and violence. Transsexuals are very passive.” But I can see the problem of the fact that a terrifying murderer is now association that a lot of people have with transwomen, because of that movie.
I also think someone was oversensitive when they thought Silence of the Lambs was anti-trans. Is every movie about a straight guy killing women anti-hetero, of course not. Also, you are right that the killer character in that movie was not trans. ppl need to protest real issues, stuff like this hurts the cause.
The difference between a straight guy serial killer and a trans serial killer is that being straight is the “norm” in society, so being straight is not a defining characteristic of a character.
However, transgender characters are rarely represented in mainstream media, and therefore when you see someone who’s trans, it is a defining characteristic of that character. So when you rarely see trans people represented as “normal” in movies, and then you have a huge blockbuster with a wacko serial killer who thinks they’re trans, it hurts the image of trans people.
First of all: i LOVE this show! Please continue for the next (at least) 10 years.
A case that fascinates me since I first heard of it is the one of Armin Meiwes the “Rotenburg Cannibal”. He might have killed (and of course eaten) only one man but the circumstances are what’s quite unique: He found his victim Bernd Jürgen Armando Brandes on an online platform for people with cannibal fetishes. Brandes gave his consent to both…the killing and eating. They even shared a body part for dinner. I would love to hear Grace and her guests share their opinion on this case. Even the courts weren’t sure about this case…he only got convicted for manslaughter first and then in a retrial for murder.
Another case that I love to bring up whenever someone let’s me is the case of Carl Grossmann. He was a serial killer and cannibal in Berlin in the early 20th century and during world war 1 killed and ate at least 4 women. He lived in a slum district and would lure poor desperate women who came into the city to find work in those desperate times into his apartment where he then killed and butchered (since he actually was a butcher this term seems to fit) them. Some say that he sold parts of the meat in sausages in the streets and on black markets.
If you guys would like to cover one of the stories but have trouble finding English sources I could help by translating some German ones for you.
I love Alonso, and was really pleased to see Dave for the first time. They were really great in this episode, and really put a lot of this into context for me. I’m so glad you had them on, and I hope to see them come back at some point.
Great show, as always! Thanks to everyone who works on this show. I am as impressed with the latest episodes as I was with the first, which is why I keep telling everyone to watch MWF. Looking forward to the next one!
Thanks for doing this Grace. We all need a little escape from the horrors of the real world right now. This is perfect!
I understand the idea that one could have some degree of sympathy/empathy for Ed Guin as his actions may have been influenced by his relationship with his mother and thereby ascribing some guilt to his mother. That being the case one could take the infinite regression and ask what were the influences on his mother that caused her to behave the way she did? What is grandma’s guilt in Ed’s crimes? How did great-grandma influence grandma who influenced mom who influenced Ed?
I don’t want to examine why I enjoy this show. Just not gonna.
Great guests! What a score for MWF.
I just loved this episode, although I think that of about all of them LOL This one was very well shot, better than the previous ones I think. I never knew I had an interest for murder :)
Grace, you are becoming so polished as a host. You are professional yet somehow are able to keep the feel of an intimate gathering of friends. It’s such a fun show! I look forward to new episodes every week.
I was considering the remarks about the third instalment of the Texas Chainsaw Massacre series. How strange is it that the same principles apply to other areas of social consumption as well? Once the shock of the new wears off, as one of the guests said, we begin to favor the villain. What has initially seemed so alarming, so grotesque, so disturbing on a basic level, after time and continued regurgitation, becomes a routine we know all too well. If the atrocity could not be stopped, simply reframe it to where it is no longer an atrocity. Then it is easier to switch to the winning side. So how then can we, as a society and culture, allow ourselves to examine these elements of humanity without compromising our own. In my opinion, the answer to this question will be essential during the next four years.
As a human you shouldn’t be okay with the Old Testament or the New Testament.
I was a little scared when I watched silence of the lambs. But I was petrified when I read the book. I couldn’t believe how much the book affected me- and that was after I had already seen the movie. Kudos to Thomas Harris for writing such a great thriller that scared me after I already knew the ending. The scene in the movie where clarice is walking thru buffalo bill’s house wearing night vision glasses– chilling in the book.
Grace tends to drop the last syllable of “horror,” which is super common among English speakers of many accents, especially when speaking quickly, but it just results in my hearing her refer to “whore movies” instead of “horror movies.” ????
Great series, please keep on going. I think if you venture away from N.America slightly, the stories are even more gruesome. In the USSR, you have Alexander Yuryevich and Andrei Chikatilo, In Scotland you have the stores of Christie Cleek / Sawney Bean.