1) Rich people know the impact of regulation. Let there be no doubt.
2) At the end of the movie Sour Groups (on NetFlix) Bill Koch (one of the Koch brothers) hires an investigator to look into fraud in the wine industry after buying over $4 million in fake wine. At the end, Koch’s investigator admits that the only way to stop fraud in the industry is through REGULATION. Oh the irony. Perhaps TYT can tap BILL Koch for some investigative dollars in exchange for hiring a ‘wine watcher on the wall’. I’m only partly kidding — after watching the film something about the man tells me that he could be part-TYT. It’s worth a pitch. Send a woman.
Bill is the outcast Koch tho, along with the gay Fred Koch. He and Fred left the business in the 80s I think, Hence his net worth being a 50th of their David and Charles. Not saying hes a good guy by any means but hes nowhere comparable to the other two, he actually sued his brothers for taking oil from native and government lands, Fred Koch along with Bill sold the company to the two major douche Koch’s. Fred isn’t that bad of a guy either, definitely the best of the 4.
Really? I can believe that. Half way through the documentary, which I highly recommend, I found myself rooting for Koch and yet I heard no fat ladies singing. I looked out the window and saw no pigs flying. Perhaps he’s an even better TYT recruit than I thought. Seriously guys — no harm in asking deep pockets to support your investigative effort.
Be smart, guys!
Hands off Erdogan, at least untill the dust clears! He is confronting various levels of conspiracies from a cesspool pool of despots in the area whom you should direct the spot light on, ie those whom Erdogan stood against their military coup and those who confiscate lands from their frightful owners and consider them second class citizens by calling to change the ethnic label of such land to exclude them!
My advice is; Don’t fall into the same trap the rest of the media had fallen in!
Not really a happy story, but thanks for the information about 260,000 people dying a slow and most certainly painful death in Africa. I did not realize UNICEF was part of the United Nations, but I am going to share this story with my limited FB friends, and find the UNICEF link and share that as well. Bernie proved you can make a difference with a small amount, and I think its a great way to start the new year. Thank you.
Thanks for doing the story on the African famine. I’d like to see a story every day on “slow” yet hugh impact news. Need to have a story on climate change every day! Unfortunately it is some of the poorest areas of the world that are seeing the impact first.
Just want to wish everyone at TYT including us members a safe and happy new year.
Regardless of whether I agree or disagree with commenters here, I learn something every day from you, and I thank you for that.
Here’s hoping that progressives make real progress taking back the Democratic Party in 2017, beginning with getting Keith Ellison elected chair of the DNC, and getting progressives elected to all 50 state chairs, etc. And, if the Dem Party cannot be saved from the Elites who have ruined it… then we move on to create a third party that will unite the majority of Americans who are sick of both parties.
Parting thought for 2016:
Which caused more damage to our electoral process in 2016 — unethical rigging and corruption by the DNC, Clinton Campaign and the White House during the primaries in order to put down Bernie’s insurgent campaign and thus deprive the people of the ability to choose a good candidate… or revelations via the email hack that these things really did happen?
Thank you Deb in Northern California – The advantage to being part of the TYT family is that we can disagree but we can move past our disagreements. I always appreciate your comments though I disagree with a lot of what you say, I appreciate that your thoughts are well thought out. Thank you again and have a great New Year and keep on commenting!
The water testing methodology Jordan is pursuing is invalid.
Cringe factor!
The outlet port on a hot water heater is at the top of the tank, not the bottom. It is pointless to test that sediment because it is completely unrepresentative of the water quality at the faucet.
Jordan, I love you man, but next time please do a little research before publishing a video. In this case, you could have asked any plumber for input and prevented an embarrassing faux pas. You could also have asked any municipal water regulatory agency or even hot water heater manufacturer and gotten the same information.
Hot water tanks have a sacrificial anode that screws into a port at the top and hangs down into the center of the tank. The sacrificial anode slowly dissolves into the water, neutralizing the ions that might otherwise rust a hole in the steel wall of the tank. After about five or ten years, the sacrificial anode is completely gone (along with your warranty, since you have just enough sacrificial anode to make it through the warranty period). Eventually the tank rusts away from the inside out, springs a leak, and must be replaced.
A new tank has the sacrificial anode slowly dissolving into the water and contaminating it. After the sacrificial anode is gone, the steel of the tank is slowly dissolving into the water and contaminating it. Either way the water is contaminated with metals and minerals that form brown milky sediment.
Even though the plastic dip tube hanging down from the cold feed does end near the heat source at the bottom, and the water coming from the dip tube does stir up the sediment a little bit, most of that sediment is so large and heavy that it stays in the bottom of the tank.
The water coming into the tank also has metals and minerals, along with lots of other contaminants such as bacteria, algae, and possibly sterilization or softening chemicals. Some of this gunk precipitates out and collects on the bottom of the tank too, along with the residue from the sacrificial anode, and the rust from the wall of the tank.
For very old tanks, the sediment can get so thick that it blocks the drain port. In that case, draining the tank might involve removing the spigot entirely and poking a probe through the sediment. That can be difficult to do on a hot tank without getting burned and making a mess, and it prolongs the job while increasing labor costs.
That is why plumbers advise draining off the sediment with a hose, under normal pressure, for five minutes or so once per year. They tell you it is so that the water stays clean to motivate you to actually do it, but really it is so that they can drain your old leaky tank more easily when it comes time to replace it and/or work on the pipes attached to it.
Every contaminant with the potential to precipitate out will be elevated in that sediment. There is no way to predict how much lead precipitate is problematic since there is no direct relationship between the concentration at the outlet port on top vs. the concentration at the drain port on bottom.
Thanks so much for your response. I am catching up on last weeks shows and I got pretty upset that they so carelessly went along with Jordan’s report with seemingly zero knowledge about water heaters. Also, worth pointing out, that the water in the tank started from the same source as what comes out of the sink. It’s fed from the same water line. I get it that there will be growing pains with TYT doing more original reporting, but there has to be someone to catch something like this that should be painfully obvious even to a layman.
Growing up, I was taught to never drink or use hot water for cooking. You ALWAYS heat cold water on the stove or in the microwave. Someone can correct me if I’m wrong, but I am pretty sure that you have to consume lead for it to poison you. So as long as you aren’t drinking your bath water, any contaminants in hot water (bathing, washing hands, washing clothes, etc.) should have very minimal impact.
Lead dissolved in water in minute concentrations leaves a tiny residue on the skin that can end up being consumed, such as when holding food in bare hands. That lead does end up in the body but the quantity is small enough to not cause issues. Same for any lead in shower or bath water that ends up touching mucous membranes.
If handling lead for stained glass, removing old plumbing, old electronics recycling, or any other scenario where solid metal comes into contact with skin, the quantity on hands can be dangerous, particularly if ingested in small quantities repeatedly over the course of a career.
Glad to see someone pointing out this mistake in the comments. I hope TYT reads this thread and doesn’t dismiss it, since the people here still support the show overall. This was a bit disturbing to see come from Jordan, who I normally associate with a high level of accuracy on reporting.
Happy New Year for 2017!
May it be much better than the last 17, have You noticed how Everyone says how each year is shit since the 90s?! ???????? I don’t think so. ????????
Great panels today! Always loving the shows!
I’ve ordered a tee as I rather liked the one Cenk was wearing. It was that, or put money to a reporter, or nye. Lol.
Byèeeeeeeeee!
The United States already has the power to veto UN decisions it does not like. What else do Americans want? Why is this latest resolution being blamed on the UN, when the US was perfectly capable of blocking it?
Americans, like most people, only think the UN is good when it serves their national agenda. Its become a huge bureaucracy and nothing gets done unless the big 5 agree.
Meditation also builds new pathways in your brain between the hemispheres, and between the logical pre-frontal cortex and the more emotional instinctive hind brain. It also enables you to more effectively focus on problems when you need to. Look up mindfulness meditation.
ChewieSnr, don’t Rick-Perry yourself! Your comment may not be specific for the topics discussed during this hour of TYT coverage and analysis, but the information might help someone here. Not every TYT member does Old School.
If you wouldn’t mind listing a few activities that develop the brain as you’ve suggested, I would appreciate it. You’re probably just as busy as everyone else is these days, so if you list the activities, then I’ll have something with which to focus my research. Thanks.
You want to start by looking up “Mindfulness”. In addition to meditation, I’ve taken up archery, which does a lot of the same things in your brain. I’m shooting Compound, target recurve, and instinctive archery and they’re all fun, but in very different ways.
Essentially mindfulness is about getting your brain to focus on what you want it to, rather than just random shit. I think one of the problems Cenk will be having is trying to focus on nothing, or emptying his mind. I don’t see that as helpful, though it maybe if you at a whole different level it might be useful.
I found a much more useful starting point is finding somewhere quiet, sitting comfortably on an upright chair, and focusing on the sensation of your breath moving in and out of your nostrils. Nothing more than that. Focus on those sensations, and when ever you notice that your mind is wandering, you just bring it back to that. 20 minutes, once in the morning and once in the evening. Just get in the practise of making your conscious mind focus on what you want it to focus on, not what your sub-conscious is trying to do. Just practise that for a couple of weeks, then move on to the next step.
ChewieSnr, Studezilla:
….Yup so true!
Random comment I read, and it gets me thinking, and sparks me to pondering once again about adding mindfulness into my day…..
….And I usually limit watching to Hour 1….
So, ALWAYS be sure to comment in a place distinct from the content it refers to…..
LOL
Non-Sequiturs ==> Wisdom ?
Could be! lol
Dude commenting is a bit nuts. Lets ignore all the evidence of Russian interference cuz it doesn’t fit w you’re made up narrative. Come back to reality people. Great job TYT
By “all the evidence” you mean literally ZERO evidence, right?
Also, calling the exposure of corruption within Democratic party “interference” is Orwellian. Call it what it is, do not fall for the deflection by the establishment whose only goal is to undermine and de-legitimize their competitors’ win and authority with the use of “intelligence community” that has documented history of serial perjury and being used as political tool by whoever is in power (including under Obama).
Those actions by the Democratic establishment undermine the democracy, not the unmasking of their rigging, which is in reality beneficial to it. They try to brainwash people to think that Democrats and democracy is the same thing, but they are not.
Another article points out that what the government calls hacking team (APT28, et cetera) is not really a hacker team, but an abstract combination of software hacking tools and IPs/servers/network equipment:
I see people critiquing Cenk for his stance on parliamentary versus presidential system, but I suppose they mostly did not understand his point.
Cenk’s argument is that in parliamentary system Erdogan’s party, while having a minority of seats, 34%, was the biggest, so it was the core of the coalition that formed the government, thus being able to push and implement its fundamentalist agenda effectively as if it had a majority (50%+1 vote). Thus the country that in the majority voted against Erdogan’s fundamentalist party was made to become fundamentalist. Under the presidential system Erdogan would have needed to get actual majority of votes (50% + 1) to make this shift.
I am beginning to search out your comments — they are sensical, rational and display both knowledge and critical thinking. AND I happen to agree with them! Wishing you the best in 2017. Keep posting ;)
dDErss, the exposing of the actions of the Democrat party can benefit democracy only if any lessons are learned. I doubt this will happen. Both political parties have shown their inability to learn anything from their election year failures, during this century anyway.
In Robert Caro’s first book of his multi-volume biography of Lyndon Baines Johnson (LBJ), The Path to Power (1982), he related an election, early in LBJ’s political career, where his close supports held out a ballot box until almost all of the votes had been counted, so that his supporters could stuff as many votes as needed to make LBJ the winner. The problem is his opponent held out two boxes. The moral of the story for LBJ is that if you do everything that you can do, then you will win. The implication here is that you holdout two or three ballot boxes, instead of just one.
Now the Democrat party doesn’t need to resort to dubious tactics in order to apply LBJ’s maxim. They can also judiciously apply it after they conduct a healthy dose of introspection. John reported earlier during the primary campaign one key element for consideration, one of the Podesta e-mails contained a reference to low-information voters being beneficial to the Hillary campaign. Now, if the electorate was more informed there would have been less votes for Trump in the key battleground states. Also, if the electorate were more informed, they wouldn’t be hoodwinked by former-communist bogey-bear scapegoats.
I haven’t looked at the links you provided, dDErss. I’m not sure I will, because this whole fiasco looks more like a tech security issue than a reason to go to war. Everyone needs to remember that Podesta was stupid enough to fall for a phishing scam that allowed the evil-doers access to his e-mail. I suggest that if one is stupid enough to fall for a phishing scam, then that person is too stupid to run a presidential campaign. Perhaps, “being Podesta-ed” will enter the lexicon to refer to the gullible falling for a hackneyed swindle.
dDErss, thanks for the links anyway, my curiosity may compel me to use them, and Happy New Year!
Cenk has hinted few times already that there going to be a something like a new anti-corruption wing of Democratic party soon in the future. This means that the exposure of the corruption with the DNC will have positive effect; but lets see.
Otherwise you are right, the democratic establishment’s lesson here is not constructive, but rather destructive: they now want to manipulate (as you say, no need to fix the vote directly as in LBJ times) the public even more than they already do. Hence Facebook’s censorship program, which is operated by major Hillary Clinton’s sponsors. The impact of it can be huge, considering that even the bulk of TYT’s positive influence in terms of supporting progressive policies and people like Bernard Sanders went through Facebook.
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4 million Hillary voters did not even bother to vote down-ballot, or even worse, voted republican.
Almost every one who voted for Trump voted down-ballot.
Under some scenarios if every Hillary voter voted down-ballot at least one chamber of congress and 3-4 state chambers would have flipped.
And people criticise me for daring to blame the voters on their incompetence.
yup lol…it’s that category
RE: Regulation
1) Rich people know the impact of regulation. Let there be no doubt.
2) At the end of the movie Sour Groups (on NetFlix) Bill Koch (one of the Koch brothers) hires an investigator to look into fraud in the wine industry after buying over $4 million in fake wine. At the end, Koch’s investigator admits that the only way to stop fraud in the industry is through REGULATION. Oh the irony. Perhaps TYT can tap BILL Koch for some investigative dollars in exchange for hiring a ‘wine watcher on the wall’. I’m only partly kidding — after watching the film something about the man tells me that he could be part-TYT. It’s worth a pitch. Send a woman.
Sour Grapes — my b.
Bill is the outcast Koch tho, along with the gay Fred Koch. He and Fred left the business in the 80s I think, Hence his net worth being a 50th of their David and Charles. Not saying hes a good guy by any means but hes nowhere comparable to the other two, he actually sued his brothers for taking oil from native and government lands, Fred Koch along with Bill sold the company to the two major douche Koch’s. Fred isn’t that bad of a guy either, definitely the best of the 4.
Really? I can believe that. Half way through the documentary, which I highly recommend, I found myself rooting for Koch and yet I heard no fat ladies singing. I looked out the window and saw no pigs flying. Perhaps he’s an even better TYT recruit than I thought. Seriously guys — no harm in asking deep pockets to support your investigative effort.
Thanks for the lesson equalsd.
Happy new year to you all.
Be smart, guys!
Hands off Erdogan, at least untill the dust clears! He is confronting various levels of conspiracies from a cesspool pool of despots in the area whom you should direct the spot light on, ie those whom Erdogan stood against their military coup and those who confiscate lands from their frightful owners and consider them second class citizens by calling to change the ethnic label of such land to exclude them!
My advice is; Don’t fall into the same trap the rest of the media had fallen in!
Not really a happy story, but thanks for the information about 260,000 people dying a slow and most certainly painful death in Africa. I did not realize UNICEF was part of the United Nations, but I am going to share this story with my limited FB friends, and find the UNICEF link and share that as well. Bernie proved you can make a difference with a small amount, and I think its a great way to start the new year. Thank you.
Happy New Year ALL for 2017!
Thanks for doing the story on the African famine. I’d like to see a story every day on “slow” yet hugh impact news. Need to have a story on climate change every day! Unfortunately it is some of the poorest areas of the world that are seeing the impact first.
Just want to wish everyone at TYT including us members a safe and happy new year.
Regardless of whether I agree or disagree with commenters here, I learn something every day from you, and I thank you for that.
Here’s hoping that progressives make real progress taking back the Democratic Party in 2017, beginning with getting Keith Ellison elected chair of the DNC, and getting progressives elected to all 50 state chairs, etc. And, if the Dem Party cannot be saved from the Elites who have ruined it… then we move on to create a third party that will unite the majority of Americans who are sick of both parties.
Parting thought for 2016:
Which caused more damage to our electoral process in 2016 — unethical rigging and corruption by the DNC, Clinton Campaign and the White House during the primaries in order to put down Bernie’s insurgent campaign and thus deprive the people of the ability to choose a good candidate… or revelations via the email hack that these things really did happen?
Cheers!
Deb in Northern California
Thank you Deb in Northern California – The advantage to being part of the TYT family is that we can disagree but we can move past our disagreements. I always appreciate your comments though I disagree with a lot of what you say, I appreciate that your thoughts are well thought out. Thank you again and have a great New Year and keep on commenting!
The water testing methodology Jordan is pursuing is invalid.
Cringe factor!
The outlet port on a hot water heater is at the top of the tank, not the bottom. It is pointless to test that sediment because it is completely unrepresentative of the water quality at the faucet.
Jordan, I love you man, but next time please do a little research before publishing a video. In this case, you could have asked any plumber for input and prevented an embarrassing faux pas. You could also have asked any municipal water regulatory agency or even hot water heater manufacturer and gotten the same information.
Hot water tanks have a sacrificial anode that screws into a port at the top and hangs down into the center of the tank. The sacrificial anode slowly dissolves into the water, neutralizing the ions that might otherwise rust a hole in the steel wall of the tank. After about five or ten years, the sacrificial anode is completely gone (along with your warranty, since you have just enough sacrificial anode to make it through the warranty period). Eventually the tank rusts away from the inside out, springs a leak, and must be replaced.
A new tank has the sacrificial anode slowly dissolving into the water and contaminating it. After the sacrificial anode is gone, the steel of the tank is slowly dissolving into the water and contaminating it. Either way the water is contaminated with metals and minerals that form brown milky sediment.
Even though the plastic dip tube hanging down from the cold feed does end near the heat source at the bottom, and the water coming from the dip tube does stir up the sediment a little bit, most of that sediment is so large and heavy that it stays in the bottom of the tank.
The water coming into the tank also has metals and minerals, along with lots of other contaminants such as bacteria, algae, and possibly sterilization or softening chemicals. Some of this gunk precipitates out and collects on the bottom of the tank too, along with the residue from the sacrificial anode, and the rust from the wall of the tank.
For very old tanks, the sediment can get so thick that it blocks the drain port. In that case, draining the tank might involve removing the spigot entirely and poking a probe through the sediment. That can be difficult to do on a hot tank without getting burned and making a mess, and it prolongs the job while increasing labor costs.
That is why plumbers advise draining off the sediment with a hose, under normal pressure, for five minutes or so once per year. They tell you it is so that the water stays clean to motivate you to actually do it, but really it is so that they can drain your old leaky tank more easily when it comes time to replace it and/or work on the pipes attached to it.
Thanks, I was thinking the same thing.
Wouldn’t it still be a problem if the lead is elevated in that sediment?
Every contaminant with the potential to precipitate out will be elevated in that sediment. There is no way to predict how much lead precipitate is problematic since there is no direct relationship between the concentration at the outlet port on top vs. the concentration at the drain port on bottom.
Thanks so much for your response. I am catching up on last weeks shows and I got pretty upset that they so carelessly went along with Jordan’s report with seemingly zero knowledge about water heaters. Also, worth pointing out, that the water in the tank started from the same source as what comes out of the sink. It’s fed from the same water line. I get it that there will be growing pains with TYT doing more original reporting, but there has to be someone to catch something like this that should be painfully obvious even to a layman.
Was thinking the same thing!
Growing up, I was taught to never drink or use hot water for cooking. You ALWAYS heat cold water on the stove or in the microwave. Someone can correct me if I’m wrong, but I am pretty sure that you have to consume lead for it to poison you. So as long as you aren’t drinking your bath water, any contaminants in hot water (bathing, washing hands, washing clothes, etc.) should have very minimal impact.
Partially true.
Lead dissolved in water in minute concentrations leaves a tiny residue on the skin that can end up being consumed, such as when holding food in bare hands. That lead does end up in the body but the quantity is small enough to not cause issues. Same for any lead in shower or bath water that ends up touching mucous membranes.
If handling lead for stained glass, removing old plumbing, old electronics recycling, or any other scenario where solid metal comes into contact with skin, the quantity on hands can be dangerous, particularly if ingested in small quantities repeatedly over the course of a career.
Glad to see someone pointing out this mistake in the comments. I hope TYT reads this thread and doesn’t dismiss it, since the people here still support the show overall. This was a bit disturbing to see come from Jordan, who I normally associate with a high level of accuracy on reporting.
Happy New Year for 2017!
????
May it be much better than the last 17, have You noticed how Everyone says how each year is shit since the 90s?! ???????? I don’t think so. ????
Great panels today! Always loving the shows!
I’ve ordered a tee as I rather liked the one Cenk was wearing. It was that, or put money to a reporter, or nye. Lol.
Byèeeeeeeeee!
The United States already has the power to veto UN decisions it does not like. What else do Americans want? Why is this latest resolution being blamed on the UN, when the US was perfectly capable of blocking it?
Americans, like most people, only think the UN is good when it serves their national agenda. Its become a huge bureaucracy and nothing gets done unless the big 5 agree.
In TYT’s defense, Trump is generating news stories every couple hours.
Meditation also builds new pathways in your brain between the hemispheres, and between the logical pre-frontal cortex and the more emotional instinctive hind brain. It also enables you to more effectively focus on problems when you need to. Look up mindfulness meditation.
Oops. That comment was supposed to relate to the most recent Old School episode.
ChewieSnr, don’t Rick-Perry yourself! Your comment may not be specific for the topics discussed during this hour of TYT coverage and analysis, but the information might help someone here. Not every TYT member does Old School.
If you wouldn’t mind listing a few activities that develop the brain as you’ve suggested, I would appreciate it. You’re probably just as busy as everyone else is these days, so if you list the activities, then I’ll have something with which to focus my research. Thanks.
You want to start by looking up “Mindfulness”. In addition to meditation, I’ve taken up archery, which does a lot of the same things in your brain. I’m shooting Compound, target recurve, and instinctive archery and they’re all fun, but in very different ways.
Essentially mindfulness is about getting your brain to focus on what you want it to, rather than just random shit. I think one of the problems Cenk will be having is trying to focus on nothing, or emptying his mind. I don’t see that as helpful, though it maybe if you at a whole different level it might be useful.
I found a much more useful starting point is finding somewhere quiet, sitting comfortably on an upright chair, and focusing on the sensation of your breath moving in and out of your nostrils. Nothing more than that. Focus on those sensations, and when ever you notice that your mind is wandering, you just bring it back to that. 20 minutes, once in the morning and once in the evening. Just get in the practise of making your conscious mind focus on what you want it to focus on, not what your sub-conscious is trying to do. Just practise that for a couple of weeks, then move on to the next step.
ChewieSnr, Studezilla:
….Yup so true!
Random comment I read, and it gets me thinking, and sparks me to pondering once again about adding mindfulness into my day…..
….And I usually limit watching to Hour 1….
So, ALWAYS be sure to comment in a place distinct from the content it refers to…..
LOL
Non-Sequiturs ==> Wisdom ?
Could be! lol
Maybe that comes under the heading of Serendipity?
Dude commenting is a bit nuts. Lets ignore all the evidence of Russian interference cuz it doesn’t fit w you’re made up narrative. Come back to reality people. Great job TYT
By “all the evidence” you mean literally ZERO evidence, right?
Also, calling the exposure of corruption within Democratic party “interference” is Orwellian. Call it what it is, do not fall for the deflection by the establishment whose only goal is to undermine and de-legitimize their competitors’ win and authority with the use of “intelligence community” that has documented history of serial perjury and being used as political tool by whoever is in power (including under Obama).
Those actions by the Democratic establishment undermine the democracy, not the unmasking of their rigging, which is in reality beneficial to it. They try to brainwash people to think that Democrats and democracy is the same thing, but they are not.
By the way, here is analysis of “evidence” that DHS/ODNI has provided:
In other words, nothing is here. From what is presented one can not really say that the hacks came from Russia, let alone from the Russian government.
Another article points out that what the government calls hacking team (APT28, et cetera) is not really a hacker team, but an abstract combination of software hacking tools and IPs/servers/network equipment:
I see people critiquing Cenk for his stance on parliamentary versus presidential system, but I suppose they mostly did not understand his point.
Cenk’s argument is that in parliamentary system Erdogan’s party, while having a minority of seats, 34%, was the biggest, so it was the core of the coalition that formed the government, thus being able to push and implement its fundamentalist agenda effectively as if it had a majority (50%+1 vote). Thus the country that in the majority voted against Erdogan’s fundamentalist party was made to become fundamentalist. Under the presidential system Erdogan would have needed to get actual majority of votes (50% + 1) to make this shift.
I am beginning to search out your comments — they are sensical, rational and display both knowledge and critical thinking. AND I happen to agree with them! Wishing you the best in 2017. Keep posting ;)
Happy new year!
Thanks for all your interesting and thought provoking postings!
Happy New Year!:)
dDErss, the exposing of the actions of the Democrat party can benefit democracy only if any lessons are learned. I doubt this will happen. Both political parties have shown their inability to learn anything from their election year failures, during this century anyway.
In Robert Caro’s first book of his multi-volume biography of Lyndon Baines Johnson (LBJ), The Path to Power (1982), he related an election, early in LBJ’s political career, where his close supports held out a ballot box until almost all of the votes had been counted, so that his supporters could stuff as many votes as needed to make LBJ the winner. The problem is his opponent held out two boxes. The moral of the story for LBJ is that if you do everything that you can do, then you will win. The implication here is that you holdout two or three ballot boxes, instead of just one.
Now the Democrat party doesn’t need to resort to dubious tactics in order to apply LBJ’s maxim. They can also judiciously apply it after they conduct a healthy dose of introspection. John reported earlier during the primary campaign one key element for consideration, one of the Podesta e-mails contained a reference to low-information voters being beneficial to the Hillary campaign. Now, if the electorate was more informed there would have been less votes for Trump in the key battleground states. Also, if the electorate were more informed, they wouldn’t be hoodwinked by former-communist bogey-bear scapegoats.
I haven’t looked at the links you provided, dDErss. I’m not sure I will, because this whole fiasco looks more like a tech security issue than a reason to go to war. Everyone needs to remember that Podesta was stupid enough to fall for a phishing scam that allowed the evil-doers access to his e-mail. I suggest that if one is stupid enough to fall for a phishing scam, then that person is too stupid to run a presidential campaign. Perhaps, “being Podesta-ed” will enter the lexicon to refer to the gullible falling for a hackneyed swindle.
dDErss, thanks for the links anyway, my curiosity may compel me to use them, and Happy New Year!
Cenk has hinted few times already that there going to be a something like a new anti-corruption wing of Democratic party soon in the future. This means that the exposure of the corruption with the DNC will have positive effect; but lets see.
Otherwise you are right, the democratic establishment’s lesson here is not constructive, but rather destructive: they now want to manipulate (as you say, no need to fix the vote directly as in LBJ times) the public even more than they already do. Hence Facebook’s censorship program, which is operated by major Hillary Clinton’s sponsors. The impact of it can be huge, considering that even the bulk of TYT’s positive influence in terms of supporting progressive policies and people like Bernard Sanders went through Facebook.
Happy New Year!
Hey, an entire show without any Trump segments and no further red-baiting by swallowing the MSM narrative about Russia. A good way to end the year.
sorry, could you repeat that. all i can read is waa waa waa waa waa waa