Cenk, Ben Mankiewicz, Grace Baldridge, and Hasan Piker on for Hour 3 of Watchers on the Wall to discuss Hillary as the face of the establishment and Star Wars.
Good video, I thought it was funny when Ben said he didn’t realize a large number of people are more progressive than he is, right after he said a candidate like Cory Booker could work. haha. Cory Booker sucks.
I posit that moderate republicans exist – they are the corporate dems that infest the Democratic Party including our beloved Dianne Feinstein, to here in Cali, Obama, Biden, Clinton, Manchin, yada -yada – yada – there is no argument as to why the DemocRat part is so fracked up… X (
Ben and everyone else who keeps yammering on and on about the Russian Red Menace (oh, the irony… now its Democrats who talk like Joe McCarthy) are continuously and deliberately missing THE REAL POINT.
Even if “Russia did it” (which has not been proven, nor will ever be proven… it is just a red herring to say Russia did it)… then all “Russia” did was reveal that the DNC and Hillary Clinton’s campaign AND the White House colluded to unethically influence and rig the primary process.
Period.
If the DNC, Hillary and the White House had done nothing wrong or unethical, no one would be having this conversation.
I agree that there has been no clear evidence that Russians did this. But, hypothetically if they did, then it is meddling if you are only exposing the corruption on one side of the election.
The only reason I’m still hedging my opinion on whether this was Russians or a Bernie supporter in the DNC (as Wikileaks claims) is that this information would have been much more useful to Bernie and the country had it come out during the primaries rather than the general election. It definitely aided Trump coming out when it did.
Seeing how Benjamin inexplicably likes Hillary Clinton I respect that how hard he tries to be fair, how hard it is for him to admit the criticisms of her that others voice.
But still, being a partisan and not a journalist, he continues with the red-baiting and deflecting, calling critically important case of the exposure of the corruption within the Democratic party a “Russia” thing (even though not only zero evidence was presented on the claim, but what was presented otherwise by the DNC/government-paid contractors works against the claim, not in its support, so much ridiculous it was), not focusing on the content.
And to that wrote: “Seeing how Benjamin inexplicably likes Hillary Clinton I respect that how hard he tries to be fair, how hard it is for him to admit the criticisms of her that others voice” — so we did watch the same thing.
On everything Benjamin has ever said on TYT (I watched TYT segment videos over the years). Benjamin even went as far as claiming there is no evidence Hillary changing her position because of donor influence, discarding whole narrative he supposedly agrees with Cenk in general, and he still discards exposed through Podesta mails Clinton Foundation bribery schemes as a non-issue and calls them “propaganda”.
The only person on TYT who likes Hillary more is Michael Shure. Their positions are beyond comprehension for me, but it is their personal chose, and they have a right to hold this stance even if people like myself do not understand it on a rational basis.
None of that suggests he *likes* her, those are just the facts as he sees them. Michael Shure does like her, yeah. I don’t think Ben does at all, he just wasn’t as negative on her.
If Benjamin was neutral, it would be impossible for him to say things that he is saying; Benjamin in effect is in denial of some of the most glaring reality of what Hillary is and does. There is no other way to explain Benjamin’s attitude than to admit that he is not neutral, that he likes her, though the likes of Michael Shure might like her even more.
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Good video, I thought it was funny when Ben said he didn’t realize a large number of people are more progressive than he is, right after he said a candidate like Cory Booker could work. haha. Cory Booker sucks.
I posit that moderate republicans exist – they are the corporate dems that infest the Democratic Party including our beloved Dianne Feinstein, to here in Cali, Obama, Biden, Clinton, Manchin, yada -yada – yada – there is no argument as to why the DemocRat part is so fracked up… X (
24 minute hour not bad
Ben and everyone else who keeps yammering on and on about the Russian Red Menace (oh, the irony… now its Democrats who talk like Joe McCarthy) are continuously and deliberately missing THE REAL POINT.
Even if “Russia did it” (which has not been proven, nor will ever be proven… it is just a red herring to say Russia did it)… then all “Russia” did was reveal that the DNC and Hillary Clinton’s campaign AND the White House colluded to unethically influence and rig the primary process.
Period.
If the DNC, Hillary and the White House had done nothing wrong or unethical, no one would be having this conversation.
I agree that there has been no clear evidence that Russians did this. But, hypothetically if they did, then it is meddling if you are only exposing the corruption on one side of the election.
The only reason I’m still hedging my opinion on whether this was Russians or a Bernie supporter in the DNC (as Wikileaks claims) is that this information would have been much more useful to Bernie and the country had it come out during the primaries rather than the general election. It definitely aided Trump coming out when it did.
Seeing how Benjamin inexplicably likes Hillary Clinton I respect that how hard he tries to be fair, how hard it is for him to admit the criticisms of her that others voice.
But still, being a partisan and not a journalist, he continues with the red-baiting and deflecting, calling critically important case of the exposure of the corruption within the Democratic party a “Russia” thing (even though not only zero evidence was presented on the claim, but what was presented otherwise by the DNC/government-paid contractors works against the claim, not in its support, so much ridiculous it was), not focusing on the content.
ben is not a journalist and he doesn’t claim to be. so he can be as partisan as he likes
You must have been watching something else, since he spent the whole time talking about why she was a bad candidate
And to that wrote: “Seeing how Benjamin inexplicably likes Hillary Clinton I respect that how hard he tries to be fair, how hard it is for him to admit the criticisms of her that others voice” — so we did watch the same thing.
What are you basing the claim that he “likes” her on?
On everything Benjamin has ever said on TYT (I watched TYT segment videos over the years). Benjamin even went as far as claiming there is no evidence Hillary changing her position because of donor influence, discarding whole narrative he supposedly agrees with Cenk in general, and he still discards exposed through Podesta mails Clinton Foundation bribery schemes as a non-issue and calls them “propaganda”.
The only person on TYT who likes Hillary more is Michael Shure. Their positions are beyond comprehension for me, but it is their personal chose, and they have a right to hold this stance even if people like myself do not understand it on a rational basis.
None of that suggests he *likes* her, those are just the facts as he sees them. Michael Shure does like her, yeah. I don’t think Ben does at all, he just wasn’t as negative on her.
If Benjamin was neutral, it would be impossible for him to say things that he is saying; Benjamin in effect is in denial of some of the most glaring reality of what Hillary is and does. There is no other way to explain Benjamin’s attitude than to admit that he is not neutral, that he likes her, though the likes of Michael Shure might like her even more.
Great show.
Ben gets a ring. No charge.