Carrie Fisher’s death. George Michael’s death. Dartmouth College pollution contaminates water. Conservative Oklahoma newspaper still receiving backlash from Clinton endorsement. Korean Airlines changing taser law.
Flint, Corpus, apparently now Dartmouth? All these places with contaminated water, its so devastating; but so is not having water AT ALL. Thats whats going on in the central valley of California. Tulare County is one of the largest producers of agriculture in the US and yet a portion of it’s residents have been living without water for YEARS…
Ana, your side note about George Michael being devastated by the death of is Asian makeup artist girlfriend who he had infected with AIDS is totally wrong.
1. George Michael was never reported to have had HIV/AIDS
2. The girlfriend you referred to, Kathy Jeung, is still alive
3. It was his former boyfriend Anselmo Feleppa whose death from AIDS devastated Michael.
Small note. It was mentioned in a tweet but you guys have touched on this before, please stop ragging on MLMs without doing research into what is a multi billion dollar industry. I personally know plenty of successful people who work with MLMs. (A few excessively wealthy people too) It’s not 1995 up in here :)
Agreed. The production team could reach out to members who may know a lot about specific stories (pop culture, science, international news, translation or interpretation when using foreign media content, etc.)
A simple database where members offer to help when needed listing their skills for instance. We make the show happen, right?
I have made this point maybe dozens of times already, but TYT undermines its brand by not instituting a proper procedure for fact-checking stories and, no less importantly, hosts arguments. A producer should both check the story and separately interview hosts to hear and fact-check their arguments.
Sadly, this procedure is still not installed, so in the story about George Michael passing Ana has made a “fake news” claim that the singer was HIV positive and got his partner sick and dead. She obviously, did not mean harm by this mistake of hers, but the negative reaction towards TYT for thus blunder would have been completely avoidable, if Cenk would implement a process to produce the show more stringently.
On “Conservative Oklahoma newspaper still receiving backlash from Clinton endorsement” story:
Trump is the leader of KKK? Those are the lines is why you were/are losing subscribers, including among progressives that do not take such hacky BS just because it is anti-Trump.
Also, I do not agree with Cenk that people of Oklahoma would ever turn around on this issue.
They will always remember that Hillary was corrupt. Corruption being among the issues that they care about, they can find out that Trump is also corrupt, contrary to his claims during the campaign. This revelation would not make them think “Gosh, I wish I voted for Clinton, the newspaper was right”, there is approximately zero chance for that. Social issues where Trump can/might/will be worse significantly than Clinton are not that high concern for them, and, in fact, some of the conservative changes they might like. Even about the issue of economy they will never forget how bad it already was for them in 2016.
So it is a different case from being brainwashed by the Orwellian media and thinking that the invasion of Iraq makes sense and changing mind on that. Not invading Iraq was always the only sane and rational option, and it was always a clearly better choice of action. Choosing Hillary will be always seen as a bad choice even if Trump will turn out to be a bad choice, too.
I personally not a crazy fan of Star Wars, but I love the films as well as the charismatic performance by Fisher. But I think of her activism, amazing whit, humour much better. For example, the following excerpt is one of the funniest things I read, ever:
So having waited my entire life to get an award for something, anything (okay fine, not acting, but what about a tiny little award for writing? Nope), I now get awards all the time for being mentally ill. I’m apparently very good at it and am honored for it regularly. Probably one of the reasons I’m such a shoo-in is that there’s no swimsuit portion of the competition. Hey, look, it’s better than being bad at being mentally ill, right? How tragic would it be to be runner-up for Bipolar Woman of the Year?
In all seriousness, her humanitarian activism on this issue is worth much more than the role in Star Wars, even though without that role it would not have been possible in the first place.
“They will never forget how bad it was for them in 2016.”
You speak of 2016 as if it is the low point in the history of the US economy. If you can forget about 2008, surely people can forget about 2016. And I have a feeling that were we to have another Great Depression or even a recurrence of 2008, people wouldn’t still be looking back on 2016 with some unique sense of dread.
The people of Oklahoma did forget about 2008 since the bulk of the economy crash issues did not come out immediately: it span over to Obama’s presidency. And since then their situation did not really improve. Considering the fact that 2016 is still an Obama year, not a Trump one, the chances that they will forget how bad it was are mostly theoretical.
Sadly, things can always get worse. My approach overall is “hope for the best, but be ready for the worst”.
As to the USA’s economy in general: the current $19 trillion debt and Trump’s supposed plan for taxes means that the debt will grow even crazier than before. Can this growth be infinite? Will be a time when the debt will be $50 trillion, $100 trillion? The percentage and the main body will continue to be paid back by the use of “printing money”. But for how long it can go?
Agreed. I like Richard Wolff. He suggests that we are running out of ways to make our capitalist economy work and there really isn’t much Trump can do. Which is scary because when he doesn’t succeed he will inevitably find a scapegoat.
What you suggest would have obvious benefits but I don’t know if it is so simple. It’s more difficult to have a natural back-and-forth discussion when you can only use a pre-approved list of evidence. To make each host get his or her arguments pre-approved before each show would limit their ability to speak off the cuff and to play off each others’ ideas. Maybe the George Michael comment was pre-planned or maybe Anna just thought of it on the spot. Maybe they shouldn’t be able to speak off the cuff but if ability to speak off the cuff is something that TYT values, it may be why they don’t do as you suggest.
“when you can only use a pre-approved list of evidence”
This does sound pretty rigid, but I am not suggest such stringent measures. A producer should ask hosts about their arguments separately (so the flow of live discussion would be natural) and would not comment himself/herself on the arguments, and only inform hosts if one of their arguments turned out to be incorrect, not confirmed. Arranging the fact-checking procedure in such measured way would not allow a subject/story to be beaten to death before the show even starts; thus discussion can be still pretty much live.
The issue is that Cenk does not even consider such a measure: there is no feedback in TYT either. The only way to poke Cenk’s bubble on any issue is if accidentally will see your tweet in a feed. And I am not big at tweeting things at Cenk.
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OMG Fischer not Fisher? yeah I know MOT but still …..!
Flint, Corpus, apparently now Dartmouth? All these places with contaminated water, its so devastating; but so is not having water AT ALL. Thats whats going on in the central valley of California. Tulare County is one of the largest producers of agriculture in the US and yet a portion of it’s residents have been living without water for YEARS…
Ana, your side note about George Michael being devastated by the death of is Asian makeup artist girlfriend who he had infected with AIDS is totally wrong.
1. George Michael was never reported to have had HIV/AIDS
2. The girlfriend you referred to, Kathy Jeung, is still alive
3. It was his former boyfriend Anselmo Feleppa whose death from AIDS devastated Michael.
Small note. It was mentioned in a tweet but you guys have touched on this before, please stop ragging on MLMs without doing research into what is a multi billion dollar industry. I personally know plenty of successful people who work with MLMs. (A few excessively wealthy people too) It’s not 1995 up in here :)
Agreed. The production team could reach out to members who may know a lot about specific stories (pop culture, science, international news, translation or interpretation when using foreign media content, etc.)
A simple database where members offer to help when needed listing their skills for instance. We make the show happen, right?
I have made this point maybe dozens of times already, but TYT undermines its brand by not instituting a proper procedure for fact-checking stories and, no less importantly, hosts arguments. A producer should both check the story and separately interview hosts to hear and fact-check their arguments.
Sadly, this procedure is still not installed, so in the story about George Michael passing Ana has made a “fake news” claim that the singer was HIV positive and got his partner sick and dead. She obviously, did not mean harm by this mistake of hers, but the negative reaction towards TYT for thus blunder would have been completely avoidable, if Cenk would implement a process to produce the show more stringently.
On “Conservative Oklahoma newspaper still receiving backlash from Clinton endorsement” story:
Trump is the leader of KKK? Those are the lines is why you were/are losing subscribers, including among progressives that do not take such hacky BS just because it is anti-Trump.
Also, I do not agree with Cenk that people of Oklahoma would ever turn around on this issue.
They will always remember that Hillary was corrupt. Corruption being among the issues that they care about, they can find out that Trump is also corrupt, contrary to his claims during the campaign. This revelation would not make them think “Gosh, I wish I voted for Clinton, the newspaper was right”, there is approximately zero chance for that. Social issues where Trump can/might/will be worse significantly than Clinton are not that high concern for them, and, in fact, some of the conservative changes they might like. Even about the issue of economy they will never forget how bad it already was for them in 2016.
So it is a different case from being brainwashed by the Orwellian media and thinking that the invasion of Iraq makes sense and changing mind on that. Not invading Iraq was always the only sane and rational option, and it was always a clearly better choice of action. Choosing Hillary will be always seen as a bad choice even if Trump will turn out to be a bad choice, too.
On Carrie Fisher’s death:
I personally not a crazy fan of Star Wars, but I love the films as well as the charismatic performance by Fisher. But I think of her activism, amazing whit, humour much better. For example, the following excerpt is one of the funniest things I read, ever:
In all seriousness, her humanitarian activism on this issue is worth much more than the role in Star Wars, even though without that role it would not have been possible in the first place.
“They will never forget how bad it was for them in 2016.”
You speak of 2016 as if it is the low point in the history of the US economy. If you can forget about 2008, surely people can forget about 2016. And I have a feeling that were we to have another Great Depression or even a recurrence of 2008, people wouldn’t still be looking back on 2016 with some unique sense of dread.
Never say never.
The people of Oklahoma did forget about 2008 since the bulk of the economy crash issues did not come out immediately: it span over to Obama’s presidency. And since then their situation did not really improve. Considering the fact that 2016 is still an Obama year, not a Trump one, the chances that they will forget how bad it was are mostly theoretical.
I just thought that you were suggesting things couldn’t get worse than they are now, which seemed naïve.
Sadly, things can always get worse. My approach overall is “hope for the best, but be ready for the worst”.
As to the USA’s economy in general: the current $19 trillion debt and Trump’s supposed plan for taxes means that the debt will grow even crazier than before. Can this growth be infinite? Will be a time when the debt will be $50 trillion, $100 trillion? The percentage and the main body will continue to be paid back by the use of “printing money”. But for how long it can go?
Agreed. I like Richard Wolff. He suggests that we are running out of ways to make our capitalist economy work and there really isn’t much Trump can do. Which is scary because when he doesn’t succeed he will inevitably find a scapegoat.
What you suggest would have obvious benefits but I don’t know if it is so simple. It’s more difficult to have a natural back-and-forth discussion when you can only use a pre-approved list of evidence. To make each host get his or her arguments pre-approved before each show would limit their ability to speak off the cuff and to play off each others’ ideas. Maybe the George Michael comment was pre-planned or maybe Anna just thought of it on the spot. Maybe they shouldn’t be able to speak off the cuff but if ability to speak off the cuff is something that TYT values, it may be why they don’t do as you suggest.
“when you can only use a pre-approved list of evidence”
This does sound pretty rigid, but I am not suggest such stringent measures. A producer should ask hosts about their arguments separately (so the flow of live discussion would be natural) and would not comment himself/herself on the arguments, and only inform hosts if one of their arguments turned out to be incorrect, not confirmed. Arranging the fact-checking procedure in such measured way would not allow a subject/story to be beaten to death before the show even starts; thus discussion can be still pretty much live.
The issue is that Cenk does not even consider such a measure: there is no feedback in TYT either. The only way to poke Cenk’s bubble on any issue is if accidentally will see your tweet in a feed. And I am not big at tweeting things at Cenk.