Jimmy Dore and Steve Oh discuss where Bernie Sanders shops for Christmas, what is going on in Syria, the UN ambassador, and new surveillance state in UK.
Love Agressive Progressives! I’ve been watching all the old shows and feel so much more informed now. I’d love it if the show was 2 hours. It would also be awesome if Steve Oh did a show breaking down legislation like the TPP, NAFTA, etc., as he and Jimmy did with the U.K. legislation in this episode, for viewers with his legal and political knowledge.
I wonder if it will be legal to use technology to block the government. Or if they will also make it wrong for citizens to “keep” the government from snooping.
Man, did Cenk EVER live up to his name in that piece. That’s the level it takes to silence Jimmy, man. Whoa. The fallout of total sense from that blowout BANG ZOOMed me to the moon with rage about being hoodwinked like that back then. I WISH Ihad known about TYT then, but I sure am glad I do now.
What I love about Steve is he’s got that fire deep in him too, he may be more reserved in style but he says exactly what he means, he calls shit out in a heartbeat and he AIN’T backing down for nobody.
The situation leading up to that election was a series of earth shattering divisive incidents, totally unprecedented, that had everybody on edge with each other. Then that result just catapulted us through time and space and it STILL feels like we’re in an alternative universe we need to wake up from. Steve and Jimmy really handled the post election appearances with Cenk and others so well, they were calmer and stood their ground without being reproachful or shaming. NO other network will give us this kind of real, the real We The People can identity with and use to strengthen ourselves.
It is so hard to act when you’re still suffering the after effects of something so unprecedentedly horrific, but Jimmy and Steve (with some Cenk and Ana on the warpath sprinkled in on occasion) give me the incentive and motivation to act. You guys are my heroes, keep it up!
I wish your segment showing Cenk’s old rant on fake news were part of the free 15 minutes – I have friends, friends who should know better, ranting and raving about Russia right now who could seriously use that dose of skepticism driven deep into their brains. The drum up to war with Russia now – because where else would rhetoric like this end? – so closely mirrors the drum up to war with Iraq it’s frightening. The media simply found all the liberal buttons to push this time instead of needing to find the conservative buttons. And it’s absolutely frightening how good they’ve gotten with their psy ops that people who were ranting about false intelligence 10 years ago are now guzzling the CIA kool-aid over Russia.
Also, thank you both so much for the Current Affairs article! They look like they have some really good, SANE, stuff over there.
So sad i only joined recently. I would have liked 10-years-ago-cenk :(
BUT now we have steve and jimmy!! Love you guys. I need 2 hours a day! I only pay membership for aggressive progressive and tyt politics. The day they cancel AG is the day i cancel my membership.
You need to work on your hustle. Learn the websites, learn the member streams. Do it. You are selling memberships, and your show is attracting many new viewers. Learn that shit so you all get paid. Having this network succeed is important to me and many others (and I am fucking Canadian). Learn that shit so you can hustle the fuck out of it. Then you can throw in random plugs and whatnot. I look forward to watching you put some effort and development into this dimension.
Jimmy, you keep saying it’s a broken system.
It’s functioning quite nicely, thank you.
50% of the country is poor by design.
& CEO’s guarantee their own exorbitant bonuses,
protected by our elected officials.
Seems the system works exactly as intended.
The question is how much shit will average Americans willingly endure?
Answer: You’re lookin at it!
Just a small FYI – Canada does have freedom of expression enshrined in Section 2 of our Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
I love AP. It is worth the price of membership and hope you can expand and grow this show.
Thank-goodness for Jimmy and Steve getting me through a day without any progressive media new content. Happy ‘end of year, beginning of the next’ season to all, no matter what you celebrate or with whom, wishing you a better 2017 and some peace of mind if not peace on earth.
My week would not be the same without my dose of this show. I can’t believe how much I’ve learned each week so props to everyone involved at TYT for making this show happen. Unfortunately when I try to pass along some of this info to my friends I’m called too radical or even cynical which just reinforces the fact that so many people are really uninformed(partially by fake news). Oh and that clip of Cenk was great so would love to see more of that. Love you Jimmy and Steve, keep it up!!
There is a difference between Assad and Saddam. Before the war Assad has ruled peacefully for many years and in general was not brutal/tyrannical in his principles of governance.
His regime was authoritarian, true: opposition was banned, as well as social networks such as Twitter got banned at some points, too. And yes, his government has committed human right violations, including aiding the CIA in the fight against terrorists by supposedly torturing suspects on behalf of them in the early 2000s.
But Assad, unlike Saddam, did not run the country to wars, never used WMDs (including in 2013, which as fake news case: Erdogan has jailed whitle-blower who has confirmed that the gas was used by Al-Qaeda in Syria with the help of Turkey that smuggled it from Libya, another Obama/Hillary success), was never big on executions and firing squads, or anything that would warrant any rational reason why he should have been overthrown with the predictable horrible consequences.
By the way, more context on Syria: it is sad that Cenk again spreads establishment pro “regime change” fake news on Russia “according to the UN” targeting civilians in Aleppo. The UN admitted that they have no evidence to back the claims, and it was in the story that he and John did segment on.
What really happened: the terrorist-held part of the city was already mostly destroyed by the time Russia joined the fight late last year, over 600 thousand people have fled from the jihadists AKA “rebels” (that invaded Aleppo in 2012 with massing use of hell cannons, mortars and missiles; there was never “rebellion” or “popular uprising”) by that time already, the area have become very scarcely populated, and Russia has stopped the bombings in September. Russia and Syria have organized exit corridors for months as well as many humanitarian pauses (this is the reason why the operation to free Aleppo took so long), as well as the evacuation of civilians. Aleppo celebrated the liberation, and yet Cenk claims the opposite.
There is a short, but amazingly powerful video that displays what has really happened in Aleppo: search for “The Truth About #Aleppo : Victory Tribute” title on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLylpRn9uXQ — it is just five minutes, but it shows you things that the MSM/TYT has never shown. On Cenk’s part it is not intentional: he is just in the establishment media bubble, he does not know better, but I wish he would stop to back up the neolib narrative on this issue.
And the people Erdogan jailed exposed Turkish intelligence officers running arms to the opposition, big difference. The chemical was done by Assad whatever you may claim, the UN has already ruled on it and I published all the links many many times before without a response.
Assad did not invade any countries, including Lebanon, so lets not go Orwellian about it. Nor Assad has sent terrorists in Iraq: they went through Turkey-Iraq border mostly. Even those some terrorists did come through Syria, it was not a policy; it is impossible to fully block that from happening. Just as in later years terrorists from over 100 countries came to Syria, but not all of those countries have been consciously fine with this.
It is amazing that you continue to with the StateDep propaganda claim that Assad has used chemical weapons all while Erdogan had jailed whistle-blower who has exposed the truth as I described it above, let alone independent reports by Seymour Hersch and the MIT study that has shown that it would be impossible for the Syrian Arab Army to carry out the attack at that time.
Well, it was also the Bush administration which was pushing this fabrication that Sadam Hussein was responsible for 9/11. So the press would have to take a stand against the administration which I guess it was not willing to do. Especially, the New York Times, which had helped (through its reporter Judith Miller) to cheerlead us into the war.
The Value of Privacy
Last week, revelation of yet another NSA surveillance effort against the American people has rekindled the privacy debate. Those in favor of these programs have trotted out the same rhetorical question we hear every time privacy advocates oppose ID checks, video cameras, massive databases, data mining, and other wholesale surveillance measures: “If you aren’t doing anything wrong, what do you have to hide?”
Some clever answers: “If I’m not doing anything wrong, then you have no cause to watch me.” “Because the government gets to define what’s wrong, and they keep changing the definition.” “Because you might do something wrong with my information.” My problem with quips like these — as right as they are — is that they accept the premise that privacy is about hiding a wrong. It’s not. Privacy is an inherent human right, and a requirement for maintaining the human condition with dignity and respect.
Two proverbs say it best: Quis custodiet custodes ipsos? (“Who watches the watchers?”) and “Absolute power corrupts absolutely.”
Cardinal Richelieu understood the value of surveillance when he famously said, “If one would give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest man, I would find something in them to have him hanged.” Watch someone long enough, and you’ll find something to arrest — or just blackmail — with. Privacy is important because without it, surveillance information will be abused: to peep, to sell to marketers and to spy on political enemies — whoever they happen to be at the time.
Privacy protects us from abuses by those in power, even if we’re doing nothing wrong at the time of surveillance.
We do nothing wrong when we make love or go to the bathroom. We are not deliberately hiding anything when we seek out private places for reflection or conversation. We keep private journals, sing in the privacy of the shower, and write letters to secret lovers and then burn them. Privacy is a basic human need.
A future in which privacy would face constant assault was so alien to the framers of the Constitution that it never occurred to them to call out privacy as an explicit right. Privacy was inherent to the nobility of their being and their cause. Of course being watched in your own home was unreasonable. Watching at all was an act so unseemly as to be inconceivable among gentlemen in their day. You watched convicted criminals, not free citizens. You ruled your own home. It’s intrinsic to the concept of liberty.
For if we are observed in all matters, we are constantly under threat of correction, judgment, criticism, even plagiarism of our own uniqueness. We become children, fettered under watchful eyes, constantly fearful that — either now or in the uncertain future — patterns we leave behind will be brought back to implicate us, by whatever authority has now become focused upon our once-private and innocent acts. We lose our individuality, because everything we do is observable and recordable.
How many of us have paused during conversation in the past four-and-a-half years, suddenly aware that we might be eavesdropped on? Probably it was a phone conversation, although maybe it was an e-mail or instant-message exchange or a conversation in a public place. Maybe the topic was terrorism, or politics, or Islam. We stop suddenly, momentarily afraid that our words might be taken out of context, then we laugh at our paranoia and go on. But our demeanor has changed, and our words are subtly altered.
This is the loss of freedom we face when our privacy is taken from us. This is life in former East Germany, or life in Saddam Hussein’s Iraq. And it’s our future as we allow an ever-intrusive eye into our personal, private lives.
Too many wrongly characterize the debate as “security versus privacy.” The real choice is liberty versus control. Tyranny, whether it arises under threat of foreign physical attack or under constant domestic authoritative scrutiny, is still tyranny. Liberty requires security without intrusion, security plus privacy. Widespread police surveillance is the very definition of a police state. And that’s why we should champion privacy even when we have nothing to hide.
Michale I’m sure it’s super smart. So why does he have that mindset. Is it something psychological that he is trying to be opposing to our views or just what…?
Nice contrast between Bernie, and … well, almost any other politician.
Doctor Dean Edell glasses? I used to love that guy. Sad for weeks, when he retired.
“Do you get any sleep?” (From former pres Bush)
Yes, when I listen to any of your speeches. Same with a future president, whose campaign will be funded by Wall Street, as he promises change to the middle class. And we all fall for it, lulled into that same state of apathy.
“What are you worried about? What have you got to hide?”
Well, I’d very much like to hide any Protest plans, as Jimmy and Steve Oh are illustrating. I’d also appreciate not being surveilled, any time I flirt with a woman friend; go to the bathroom; complain about policies or police actions; or post a comment under an anonymous alias, for fear of being turned down for a job or a contract (this has actually happened, when I used my real name in previous years).
There actually are extensive benefits to the overreaching surveillance that is in place, now. The problem is 1) it’s being abused, 2) we can’t watch the Watchers, and most importantly 3) We didn’t choose this Democratically, defining the limits ourselves, and detailing how to shut it down if it goes too far.
The spy agencies didn’t have to be our enemies; they brought our indignation, on themselves. We could have had a public discussion about this, let them make their case, and fully equip them to implement the technologies & procedures we agree upon. Any ‘bad blood’ between us, is their own fault.
“Sinister and Insidious”
Yes, and pernicious, disingenuous, and sneaky, too. And other stuff.
“Phil Donahue”
Don’t forget about Bill Maher. At the time, at least, he also spoke some painful truths, and was punished for it.
Whenever you are warned about Fake News, consider that you might be listening to a Fake Notification.
“I love this show.”
And we love your contribution, Jimmy and Steve Oh.
But isn’t the FISA legislation, that immunized the Bush administration officials and the telecoms that violated the Fourth Amendment…..then made legal their bad acts……ex post facto?
Great point. I would recommend reducing the guaranteed first 15 to 10 minutes & add a 5+ min highlight video for everyones’ YouTube pleasure. The current free content format is too rigid. Reformatting should result in a modest membership spike.
A young Cenk, wow. Fake news is nothing new. It’s been going on since we invaded Grenada in 1983 and Iran Contra later on, well before 9-11–if not earlier. You had 7 major media outlets in the press pool onsite. They parroted back the government propaganda. If they didn’t play ball, they didn’t get a spot at the table. The only people telling the truth were the independents that happened to be in these countries at the time and saw and reported what was happening. You have guys like Gary Webb expose these lies in the mid-1990s and the major media falls in line, joining a systematic smear campaign to destory his crediblity and hide the truth our the Iran-Contra scandal. South America… Middle East… it’s wash, rinse, repeat over and over.
Also find it morbidly amusing members of our government get paid for its citizens to be bombed/shot up and that many of those same citizens are responsible those officials. Be it by voting for them or for those who write in or allow the perpetuation of loopholes that put them in power.
Love you guys. I agree with PlayertwO, Jimmy on the Friday post game!!! I saw Cenk way back when and it gave me hope that someone saw wtf was going on. I also think he still has that fire but now aged he’s tempered, but I still see him get riled at the idiocracy, this is proven that he gives you tow the platform to speak truth to power. Steve Oh, great point about fake news coming up only after the election. I think it’s good this show is members only but I also think parts should definitely be put up on youtube after the show is over, it will draw more viewers and get really important info out there Thanks for all you do. Back to baking and feeding the people for me.
I always learn so much QUALITY STUFF watching you guys… no time wasted, no FN here… and THANK YOU for adding that clip of Cenk, when he was the most AP out there!!!!
Is there any way to get Prof. Richard D. Wolff on either this, tyt interview, or the main show? He does amazing stuff with Democracy At Work. He breaks down complex socioeconomic issues into easy to understand terms and has explained ways to get out of the global economic rut we are all in.
That was bit of a dick move not saying it was recorded. We found out when we saw this posted here already. That said, those of us in the Youtube chat stayed on watching and talking about it together.
Maybe we’ll get footage of Cameron screwing a pig out of the surveillance state? If this ever happens here in the US, I hope we start seeing dirty laundry aired left and right, but mostly the right. They seem to be the ones who have the most to hide anyway.
If we had a photo of Bernie shopping at Costco. Non-scripted as what happened there that day, he would have won, goddamn it.
As long as it doesnt cut into your epic friday post games that is. Btw when is Jimmy ever going to do a Friday post game would love to see him play totally true or totally bs and comment on the Delta Niger Avengers.
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Love Agressive Progressives! I’ve been watching all the old shows and feel so much more informed now. I’d love it if the show was 2 hours. It would also be awesome if Steve Oh did a show breaking down legislation like the TPP, NAFTA, etc., as he and Jimmy did with the U.K. legislation in this episode, for viewers with his legal and political knowledge.
I wonder if it will be legal to use technology to block the government. Or if they will also make it wrong for citizens to “keep” the government from snooping.
Man, did Cenk EVER live up to his name in that piece. That’s the level it takes to silence Jimmy, man. Whoa. The fallout of total sense from that blowout BANG ZOOMed me to the moon with rage about being hoodwinked like that back then. I WISH Ihad known about TYT then, but I sure am glad I do now.
What I love about Steve is he’s got that fire deep in him too, he may be more reserved in style but he says exactly what he means, he calls shit out in a heartbeat and he AIN’T backing down for nobody.
The situation leading up to that election was a series of earth shattering divisive incidents, totally unprecedented, that had everybody on edge with each other. Then that result just catapulted us through time and space and it STILL feels like we’re in an alternative universe we need to wake up from. Steve and Jimmy really handled the post election appearances with Cenk and others so well, they were calmer and stood their ground without being reproachful or shaming. NO other network will give us this kind of real, the real We The People can identity with and use to strengthen ourselves.
It is so hard to act when you’re still suffering the after effects of something so unprecedentedly horrific, but Jimmy and Steve (with some Cenk and Ana on the warpath sprinkled in on occasion) give me the incentive and motivation to act. You guys are my heroes, keep it up!
I wish your segment showing Cenk’s old rant on fake news were part of the free 15 minutes – I have friends, friends who should know better, ranting and raving about Russia right now who could seriously use that dose of skepticism driven deep into their brains. The drum up to war with Russia now – because where else would rhetoric like this end? – so closely mirrors the drum up to war with Iraq it’s frightening. The media simply found all the liberal buttons to push this time instead of needing to find the conservative buttons. And it’s absolutely frightening how good they’ve gotten with their psy ops that people who were ranting about false intelligence 10 years ago are now guzzling the CIA kool-aid over Russia.
Also, thank you both so much for the Current Affairs article! They look like they have some really good, SANE, stuff over there.
Literary 30 seconds to find. You’re welcome :D -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hiRC5ZDTXk
PS
I love that jimmy can never remember the membership drive info.
It’s hilarious and adorable XD
So sad i only joined recently. I would have liked 10-years-ago-cenk :(
BUT now we have steve and jimmy!! Love you guys. I need 2 hours a day! I only pay membership for aggressive progressive and tyt politics. The day they cancel AG is the day i cancel my membership.
Jimmy,
You need to work on your hustle. Learn the websites, learn the member streams. Do it. You are selling memberships, and your show is attracting many new viewers. Learn that shit so you all get paid. Having this network succeed is important to me and many others (and I am fucking Canadian). Learn that shit so you can hustle the fuck out of it. Then you can throw in random plugs and whatnot. I look forward to watching you put some effort and development into this dimension.
Thanks
Did they just suggest two hours everyday like the main show? That would be awesome! We really do need that!
You guys shop at tiffanys and Gucci and in the same breath try to identify with average people?
It’s possible that you guys are out of touch a bit.
They were kidding.
Aggressive Progressives is my favorite part of TYT. Love the hour long show.
Whoa. We need the 10-year-ago Cenk back. Oh wait. We have Jimmy and Steve. Aggressive Progressives is amazing! (We need it more.)
Jimmy, you keep saying it’s a broken system.
It’s functioning quite nicely, thank you.
50% of the country is poor by design.
& CEO’s guarantee their own exorbitant bonuses,
protected by our elected officials.
Seems the system works exactly as intended.
The question is how much shit will average Americans willingly endure?
Answer: You’re lookin at it!
Just a small FYI – Canada does have freedom of expression enshrined in Section 2 of our Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
I love AP. It is worth the price of membership and hope you can expand and grow this show.
No truer words. Great post!
The USA Today clip is my fav TYT clip of all time.
Thank-goodness for Jimmy and Steve getting me through a day without any progressive media new content. Happy ‘end of year, beginning of the next’ season to all, no matter what you celebrate or with whom, wishing you a better 2017 and some peace of mind if not peace on earth.
My week would not be the same without my dose of this show. I can’t believe how much I’ve learned each week so props to everyone involved at TYT for making this show happen. Unfortunately when I try to pass along some of this info to my friends I’m called too radical or even cynical which just reinforces the fact that so many people are really uninformed(partially by fake news). Oh and that clip of Cenk was great so would love to see more of that. Love you Jimmy and Steve, keep it up!!
You guys are the best :) I adore this show so much. TYT makes me want to become a political journalist.
I learned so much from this episode. Thank you.
There is a difference between Assad and Saddam. Before the war Assad has ruled peacefully for many years and in general was not brutal/tyrannical in his principles of governance.
His regime was authoritarian, true: opposition was banned, as well as social networks such as Twitter got banned at some points, too. And yes, his government has committed human right violations, including aiding the CIA in the fight against terrorists by supposedly torturing suspects on behalf of them in the early 2000s.
But Assad, unlike Saddam, did not run the country to wars, never used WMDs (including in 2013, which as fake news case: Erdogan has jailed whitle-blower who has confirmed that the gas was used by Al-Qaeda in Syria with the help of Turkey that smuggled it from Libya, another Obama/Hillary success), was never big on executions and firing squads, or anything that would warrant any rational reason why he should have been overthrown with the predictable horrible consequences.
By the way, more context on Syria: it is sad that Cenk again spreads establishment pro “regime change” fake news on Russia “according to the UN” targeting civilians in Aleppo. The UN admitted that they have no evidence to back the claims, and it was in the story that he and John did segment on.
What really happened: the terrorist-held part of the city was already mostly destroyed by the time Russia joined the fight late last year, over 600 thousand people have fled from the jihadists AKA “rebels” (that invaded Aleppo in 2012 with massing use of hell cannons, mortars and missiles; there was never “rebellion” or “popular uprising”) by that time already, the area have become very scarcely populated, and Russia has stopped the bombings in September. Russia and Syria have organized exit corridors for months as well as many humanitarian pauses (this is the reason why the operation to free Aleppo took so long), as well as the evacuation of civilians. Aleppo celebrated the liberation, and yet Cenk claims the opposite.
There is a short, but amazingly powerful video that displays what has really happened in Aleppo: search for “The Truth About #Aleppo : Victory Tribute” title on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLylpRn9uXQ — it is just five minutes, but it shows you things that the MSM/TYT has never shown. On Cenk’s part it is not intentional: he is just in the establishment media bubble, he does not know better, but I wish he would stop to back up the neolib narrative on this issue.
The regime that occupied Lebanon, assassinated its PM and send n endless stream of suicide bombers to blow themselves in Iraq is peaceful?
http://www.france24.com/en/20090901-maliki-blames-syria-attacks-assad-denies-claim-
And the people Erdogan jailed exposed Turkish intelligence officers running arms to the opposition, big difference. The chemical was done by Assad whatever you may claim, the UN has already ruled on it and I published all the links many many times before without a response.
Assad did not invade any countries, including Lebanon, so lets not go Orwellian about it. Nor Assad has sent terrorists in Iraq: they went through Turkey-Iraq border mostly. Even those some terrorists did come through Syria, it was not a policy; it is impossible to fully block that from happening. Just as in later years terrorists from over 100 countries came to Syria, but not all of those countries have been consciously fine with this.
It is amazing that you continue to with the StateDep propaganda claim that Assad has used chemical weapons all while Erdogan had jailed whistle-blower who has exposed the truth as I described it above, let alone independent reports by Seymour Hersch and the MIT study that has shown that it would be impossible for the Syrian Arab Army to carry out the attack at that time.
Well, it was also the Bush administration which was pushing this fabrication that Sadam Hussein was responsible for 9/11. So the press would have to take a stand against the administration which I guess it was not willing to do. Especially, the New York Times, which had helped (through its reporter Judith Miller) to cheerlead us into the war.
Around 24m mark of the video, discussion regarding Privacy and Security, reminds me of the following short from Bruce Schneier – https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2006/05/the_value_of_pr.html
The Value of Privacy
Last week, revelation of yet another NSA surveillance effort against the American people has rekindled the privacy debate. Those in favor of these programs have trotted out the same rhetorical question we hear every time privacy advocates oppose ID checks, video cameras, massive databases, data mining, and other wholesale surveillance measures: “If you aren’t doing anything wrong, what do you have to hide?”
Some clever answers: “If I’m not doing anything wrong, then you have no cause to watch me.” “Because the government gets to define what’s wrong, and they keep changing the definition.” “Because you might do something wrong with my information.” My problem with quips like these — as right as they are — is that they accept the premise that privacy is about hiding a wrong. It’s not. Privacy is an inherent human right, and a requirement for maintaining the human condition with dignity and respect.
Two proverbs say it best: Quis custodiet custodes ipsos? (“Who watches the watchers?”) and “Absolute power corrupts absolutely.”
Cardinal Richelieu understood the value of surveillance when he famously said, “If one would give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest man, I would find something in them to have him hanged.” Watch someone long enough, and you’ll find something to arrest — or just blackmail — with. Privacy is important because without it, surveillance information will be abused: to peep, to sell to marketers and to spy on political enemies — whoever they happen to be at the time.
Privacy protects us from abuses by those in power, even if we’re doing nothing wrong at the time of surveillance.
We do nothing wrong when we make love or go to the bathroom. We are not deliberately hiding anything when we seek out private places for reflection or conversation. We keep private journals, sing in the privacy of the shower, and write letters to secret lovers and then burn them. Privacy is a basic human need.
A future in which privacy would face constant assault was so alien to the framers of the Constitution that it never occurred to them to call out privacy as an explicit right. Privacy was inherent to the nobility of their being and their cause. Of course being watched in your own home was unreasonable. Watching at all was an act so unseemly as to be inconceivable among gentlemen in their day. You watched convicted criminals, not free citizens. You ruled your own home. It’s intrinsic to the concept of liberty.
For if we are observed in all matters, we are constantly under threat of correction, judgment, criticism, even plagiarism of our own uniqueness. We become children, fettered under watchful eyes, constantly fearful that — either now or in the uncertain future — patterns we leave behind will be brought back to implicate us, by whatever authority has now become focused upon our once-private and innocent acts. We lose our individuality, because everything we do is observable and recordable.
How many of us have paused during conversation in the past four-and-a-half years, suddenly aware that we might be eavesdropped on? Probably it was a phone conversation, although maybe it was an e-mail or instant-message exchange or a conversation in a public place. Maybe the topic was terrorism, or politics, or Islam. We stop suddenly, momentarily afraid that our words might be taken out of context, then we laugh at our paranoia and go on. But our demeanor has changed, and our words are subtly altered.
This is the loss of freedom we face when our privacy is taken from us. This is life in former East Germany, or life in Saddam Hussein’s Iraq. And it’s our future as we allow an ever-intrusive eye into our personal, private lives.
Too many wrongly characterize the debate as “security versus privacy.” The real choice is liberty versus control. Tyranny, whether it arises under threat of foreign physical attack or under constant domestic authoritative scrutiny, is still tyranny. Liberty requires security without intrusion, security plus privacy. Widespread police surveillance is the very definition of a police state. And that’s why we should champion privacy even when we have nothing to hide.
Word Up! Well said.
Good piece, sorry I missed it last week, destr0yr.
I always liked JImmy Dore, then he quoted boston legal, and now i know why. I just found my kindred spirit!
Michale I’m sure it’s super smart. So why does he have that mindset. Is it something psychological that he is trying to be opposing to our views or just what…?
Steve Oh, you and Jimmy need to revive Cenk’s aggressive progressive ways ;)
Nice contrast between Bernie, and … well, almost any other politician.
Doctor Dean Edell glasses? I used to love that guy. Sad for weeks, when he retired.
“Do you get any sleep?” (From former pres Bush)
Yes, when I listen to any of your speeches. Same with a future president, whose campaign will be funded by Wall Street, as he promises change to the middle class. And we all fall for it, lulled into that same state of apathy.
“What are you worried about? What have you got to hide?”
Well, I’d very much like to hide any Protest plans, as Jimmy and Steve Oh are illustrating. I’d also appreciate not being surveilled, any time I flirt with a woman friend; go to the bathroom; complain about policies or police actions; or post a comment under an anonymous alias, for fear of being turned down for a job or a contract (this has actually happened, when I used my real name in previous years).
There actually are extensive benefits to the overreaching surveillance that is in place, now. The problem is 1) it’s being abused, 2) we can’t watch the Watchers, and most importantly 3) We didn’t choose this Democratically, defining the limits ourselves, and detailing how to shut it down if it goes too far.
The spy agencies didn’t have to be our enemies; they brought our indignation, on themselves. We could have had a public discussion about this, let them make their case, and fully equip them to implement the technologies & procedures we agree upon. Any ‘bad blood’ between us, is their own fault.
“Sinister and Insidious”
Yes, and pernicious, disingenuous, and sneaky, too. And other stuff.
“Phil Donahue”
Don’t forget about Bill Maher. At the time, at least, he also spoke some painful truths, and was punished for it.
Whenever you are warned about Fake News, consider that you might be listening to a Fake Notification.
“I love this show.”
And we love your contribution, Jimmy and Steve Oh.
“I do not have time to read the comments.”
Even the Member comments? Hmph. Now you tell us.
Happy Christmas, and Merry New Year, SO and JD.
But isn’t the FISA legislation, that immunized the Bush administration officials and the telecoms that violated the Fourth Amendment…..then made legal their bad acts……ex post facto?
The best show by far! Need it 2 times a week instead of 1!
The establishment want a surveillance state because their afraid of us. The next crash is coming and they know we are coming for them this time.
You guys are the Best!!!
Welcome to the show that never ends. Read Major Barbara by George Bernard Shaw.
Great point. I would recommend reducing the guaranteed first 15 to 10 minutes & add a 5+ min highlight video for everyones’ YouTube pleasure. The current free content format is too rigid. Reformatting should result in a modest membership spike.
Trump has your wife’s nudes…
A microcosm of tyranny.
The government owns your cyber soul
A young Cenk, wow. Fake news is nothing new. It’s been going on since we invaded Grenada in 1983 and Iran Contra later on, well before 9-11–if not earlier. You had 7 major media outlets in the press pool onsite. They parroted back the government propaganda. If they didn’t play ball, they didn’t get a spot at the table. The only people telling the truth were the independents that happened to be in these countries at the time and saw and reported what was happening. You have guys like Gary Webb expose these lies in the mid-1990s and the major media falls in line, joining a systematic smear campaign to destory his crediblity and hide the truth our the Iran-Contra scandal. South America… Middle East… it’s wash, rinse, repeat over and over.
So we’ll fund those sick of oppression to violently slaughter others but wont help them if they are seeking refuge from their oppressors?
Also find it morbidly amusing members of our government get paid for its citizens to be bombed/shot up and that many of those same citizens are responsible those officials. Be it by voting for them or for those who write in or allow the perpetuation of loopholes that put them in power.
Love you guys. I agree with PlayertwO, Jimmy on the Friday post game!!! I saw Cenk way back when and it gave me hope that someone saw wtf was going on. I also think he still has that fire but now aged he’s tempered, but I still see him get riled at the idiocracy, this is proven that he gives you tow the platform to speak truth to power. Steve Oh, great point about fake news coming up only after the election. I think it’s good this show is members only but I also think parts should definitely be put up on youtube after the show is over, it will draw more viewers and get really important info out there Thanks for all you do. Back to baking and feeding the people for me.
I always learn so much QUALITY STUFF watching you guys… no time wasted, no FN here… and THANK YOU for adding that clip of Cenk, when he was the most AP out there!!!!
Old school Cenk was so passionate. We need him back.
Is there any way to get Prof. Richard D. Wolff on either this, tyt interview, or the main show? He does amazing stuff with Democracy At Work. He breaks down complex socioeconomic issues into easy to understand terms and has explained ways to get out of the global economic rut we are all in.
Matt, that would be awesome. I listen to him most Monday mornings on the way to work, smart guy.
check out Mark Blyth https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bkm2Vfj42FY
That was bit of a dick move not saying it was recorded. We found out when we saw this posted here already. That said, those of us in the Youtube chat stayed on watching and talking about it together.
Maybe we’ll get footage of Cameron screwing a pig out of the surveillance state? If this ever happens here in the US, I hope we start seeing dirty laundry aired left and right, but mostly the right. They seem to be the ones who have the most to hide anyway.
If we had a photo of Bernie shopping at Costco. Non-scripted as what happened there that day, he would have won, goddamn it.
Shurado, I caught the “caught screwing a pig” reference. It’s important to watch BBC TV every once in a while. However, the shared and enjoyed humor does not ameliorate the fact that it is already happening here: https://www.democracynow.org/2016/10/28/electronic_frontier_foundation_police_depts_paid.
I would like to see a 2 hour AP. =]
As long as it doesnt cut into your epic friday post games that is. Btw when is Jimmy ever going to do a Friday post game would love to see him play totally true or totally bs and comment on the Delta Niger Avengers.
Please, at least 2 hr shows, twice a week with an occasional ‘Aggressive’ guests – like you have on the TJDS.