1. Not buying Benjamin’s argument about Comey having influence on the election. He has “exonerated” Clinton days before the vote (though she has committed perjury to the FBI many times and should have been arrest for that alone).
2. Cenk pronounces “cousine” more correct way in terms how the world should be actually pronounced, even though it might not be an American way.
3. Maybe such thing exists, but I literally never read anything sexist from Bernard’s supporters. The few examples that Hillary camp gave were either not sexist at all, or were outright fake claims as they did not come from Bernard’s supporters.
4. Benjamin’s and Cenk’s conspiracy theory on how evil Putin has decided to postpone Wikileaks releases is completely detached from reality. There is literally no evidence that the Russian government had anything to do with the hacks in the first place, let alone with the schedule of releases (details at the bottom of this post). Besides, the DNC mails were only hacked in late May, and it was too late by the time to do anything about the primaries. Finally, Putin would be totally fine with Bernard’s candidacy since he is in dramatically more sane candidate than Clinton, who is neocon maniac, in terms of international policy.
5. The half-jokes about someone supposedly getting assassinated by Putin is neolib/neocon lunacy, dangerous MacCarthyite fearmongering/red scare that has absolutely zero evidence, rationale, or motive. This is how the public opinion is manipulated to create animosity, to manufacture consent over the most hawkish, pro Cold-War policies that would ensure that the military/security industry complex will continue to rob people of their taxpayers’ money. Too bad that neither Benjamin nor Cenk understand this.
6. Benjamin’s claim that Putin did “fake news” is yet another baseless claim right from Clinton’s camp pool of fake excuses. There are no real examples of that.
The summary on the “evidence” of the Russian government’s role in the hacks:
The level of proof that the hacking was done by the Russian government is truly epic. The phishing mail to John Podesta came from Ukraine. But Ukraine is almost Russia. And Russia is almost the same as the Russian government/FSB-GRU special hacking forces. And, of course, the Russian military intelligence uses Yandex, the biggest Russian mail service. No one but the Russian special hacking forces could carry out the incredible military intelligence operation of making Podesta fall for the most basic and dumb phishing mail that pretended to be from Google and asked to change password. And the DNC hack’s “evidence” is also amazing. Some of the documents are signed by “Felix Edmundovich”, who was the founder of the KGB/FSB’s predecessor. It is like believing that the CIA would hack Russia using the nome de guerre “Allen Dulles”.
The “evidence” is so ridiculous that they understood that they can not claim it was GRU’s special hacking forces any more (as they did initially), so now they made “one step away” excuse (meaning it was not the FSB’s hacking teams, but “middlemen”) to still blame the hacks on the Russian government with literally zero actual evidence.
The idea that hackers that see their craft as sport and have more than enough “love” for the maniacal neolib establishment of the USA need a government to issue command to them is beyond sanity, I can not even comment that, really.
By the way, the conspiracy theory that Robert Gates is now also Putin’s agent and hence he has tricker Trump to make Rex Tillerson the head of StateDep is even crazier than other conspiracies.
At no point of anything that has happened this year Putin is necessary. All of the parties have their own interests and do not need secret Putin’s orders to act to satisfy their needs. Depriving rich and powerful actors of their agency and rational self-interests by blaming a boogie-man is pretty delusional. This is what Democratic party that went insane does; too bad to see both Cenk and Benjamin loosing their minds in this.
At around the 22-minute mark Cenk paraphrases Ana’s dumbass hypothetical: “Let’s reverse the candidates’ genders and see how you like ’em then, what if Hillary had four failed marriages, huh?”
He thinks *that* proves sexism as the deciding factor of the election! FFS, all that proves is a difference in the way genders are perceived (which is as undeniable as it is understandable). It proves nothing about the election – not a damn thing. Clinton didn’t have Trump’s baggage nor did Trump have Clinton’s baggage – they both had their own, and the voters decided which of the two awful candidates they liked less based on a variety of factors. They were two completely different people, held to different standards by different segments of the population. It’s called an “election”.
If you choose to ignore all the other differences between the two candidates and declare “He would have lost if he had a vajayjay”, you’re an idiot. No two ways about it.
So glad Ben was on the show this week! I miss him on WTF. You don’t even need a third when you’ve got Cenk and Ben together. They are the top two in Old School rankings. You should have Mark on more often, btw.
Also annoying about the sexist for NOT voting for Hillary thing is that it is so much more sexist TO vote for Trump. He sexually assaults women for chrissakes.
Hilarious that Ben and Cenk have never touched. I guess if you get two people who are not inclined to instigate touching, that’s what happens. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with it though. It doesn’t mean you don’t have affection for each other or anything, that’s just not how you demonstrate it. I thought Turkish men were all over each other. Is that old school of me to say?
lol no ur right, turkish men walk on the streets sometimes with hand over the other persons shoulder or arms locked into one another, mainly if they are talking about something & they wanna make sure the other hears them or understands they are adamant about what they are saying. it’s totally not a gay thing, it’s just normal. if you went up to them and called them gay they would genuinely be confused as to what you are referring to. this isn’t a regular thing, but you might see it every now and then. it’s more of a male bonding thing and it’s usually putting your arm or hand over the closer shoulder as opposed to the whole shoulder & around the neck lol. it’s more of a middle eastern thing i think, tho i’m not sure. how did you know about this anyway?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvePXtQM0os ….”Brother”
You guys always give me a chuckle. You entertain.
Cenk, you’ve got to come to Lafayette, Louisiana and try Cajun food! Best, best, best!
You should try Afghani cuisine once, Cenk… given your tastes, you would love it! It’s actually delicious.
Love old school when it’s just Ben and Cenk. Love love love.
1. Not buying Benjamin’s argument about Comey having influence on the election. He has “exonerated” Clinton days before the vote (though she has committed perjury to the FBI many times and should have been arrest for that alone).
2. Cenk pronounces “cousine” more correct way in terms how the world should be actually pronounced, even though it might not be an American way.
3. Maybe such thing exists, but I literally never read anything sexist from Bernard’s supporters. The few examples that Hillary camp gave were either not sexist at all, or were outright fake claims as they did not come from Bernard’s supporters.
4. Benjamin’s and Cenk’s conspiracy theory on how evil Putin has decided to postpone Wikileaks releases is completely detached from reality. There is literally no evidence that the Russian government had anything to do with the hacks in the first place, let alone with the schedule of releases (details at the bottom of this post). Besides, the DNC mails were only hacked in late May, and it was too late by the time to do anything about the primaries. Finally, Putin would be totally fine with Bernard’s candidacy since he is in dramatically more sane candidate than Clinton, who is neocon maniac, in terms of international policy.
5. The half-jokes about someone supposedly getting assassinated by Putin is neolib/neocon lunacy, dangerous MacCarthyite fearmongering/red scare that has absolutely zero evidence, rationale, or motive. This is how the public opinion is manipulated to create animosity, to manufacture consent over the most hawkish, pro Cold-War policies that would ensure that the military/security industry complex will continue to rob people of their taxpayers’ money. Too bad that neither Benjamin nor Cenk understand this.
6. Benjamin’s claim that Putin did “fake news” is yet another baseless claim right from Clinton’s camp pool of fake excuses. There are no real examples of that.
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The summary on the “evidence” of the Russian government’s role in the hacks:
The level of proof that the hacking was done by the Russian government is truly epic. The phishing mail to John Podesta came from Ukraine. But Ukraine is almost Russia. And Russia is almost the same as the Russian government/FSB-GRU special hacking forces. And, of course, the Russian military intelligence uses Yandex, the biggest Russian mail service. No one but the Russian special hacking forces could carry out the incredible military intelligence operation of making Podesta fall for the most basic and dumb phishing mail that pretended to be from Google and asked to change password. And the DNC hack’s “evidence” is also amazing. Some of the documents are signed by “Felix Edmundovich”, who was the founder of the KGB/FSB’s predecessor. It is like believing that the CIA would hack Russia using the nome de guerre “Allen Dulles”.
The “evidence” is so ridiculous that they understood that they can not claim it was GRU’s special hacking forces any more (as they did initially), so now they made “one step away” excuse (meaning it was not the FSB’s hacking teams, but “middlemen”) to still blame the hacks on the Russian government with literally zero actual evidence.
The idea that hackers that see their craft as sport and have more than enough “love” for the maniacal neolib establishment of the USA need a government to issue command to them is beyond sanity, I can not even comment that, really.
By the way, the conspiracy theory that Robert Gates is now also Putin’s agent and hence he has tricker Trump to make Rex Tillerson the head of StateDep is even crazier than other conspiracies.
At no point of anything that has happened this year Putin is necessary. All of the parties have their own interests and do not need secret Putin’s orders to act to satisfy their needs. Depriving rich and powerful actors of their agency and rational self-interests by blaming a boogie-man is pretty delusional. This is what Democratic party that went insane does; too bad to see both Cenk and Benjamin loosing their minds in this.
At around the 22-minute mark Cenk paraphrases Ana’s dumbass hypothetical: “Let’s reverse the candidates’ genders and see how you like ’em then, what if Hillary had four failed marriages, huh?”
He thinks *that* proves sexism as the deciding factor of the election! FFS, all that proves is a difference in the way genders are perceived (which is as undeniable as it is understandable). It proves nothing about the election – not a damn thing. Clinton didn’t have Trump’s baggage nor did Trump have Clinton’s baggage – they both had their own, and the voters decided which of the two awful candidates they liked less based on a variety of factors. They were two completely different people, held to different standards by different segments of the population. It’s called an “election”.
If you choose to ignore all the other differences between the two candidates and declare “He would have lost if he had a vajayjay”, you’re an idiot. No two ways about it.
Guys, can you please get your shit together? Video is not working.
there are two 21st dec posts, the second one is usually the video. go back, scroll to second 21st dec listing, the video is there. otherwise, grab it here: http://tytmembermedia.s3.amazonaws.com/161222__OS.mp4
I love you guys but seriously? No video for this, cant watch the youtube show today or the member content live stream, nothing but black. WTF guys??
there are two 21st dec posts, the second one is usually the video. go back, scroll to second 21st dec listing, the video is there. otherwise, grab it here: http://tytmembermedia.s3.amazonaws.com/161222__OS.mp4
So glad Ben was on the show this week! I miss him on WTF. You don’t even need a third when you’ve got Cenk and Ben together. They are the top two in Old School rankings. You should have Mark on more often, btw.
Also annoying about the sexist for NOT voting for Hillary thing is that it is so much more sexist TO vote for Trump. He sexually assaults women for chrissakes.
Hilarious that Ben and Cenk have never touched. I guess if you get two people who are not inclined to instigate touching, that’s what happens. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with it though. It doesn’t mean you don’t have affection for each other or anything, that’s just not how you demonstrate it. I thought Turkish men were all over each other. Is that old school of me to say?
lol no ur right, turkish men walk on the streets sometimes with hand over the other persons shoulder or arms locked into one another, mainly if they are talking about something & they wanna make sure the other hears them or understands they are adamant about what they are saying. it’s totally not a gay thing, it’s just normal. if you went up to them and called them gay they would genuinely be confused as to what you are referring to. this isn’t a regular thing, but you might see it every now and then. it’s more of a male bonding thing and it’s usually putting your arm or hand over the closer shoulder as opposed to the whole shoulder & around the neck lol. it’s more of a middle eastern thing i think, tho i’m not sure. how did you know about this anyway?
I think Cenk has mentioned it before.
CORRECT VIDEO AVAILABLE HERE:
DECEMBER 23, 2016REPLY blaktron
Hey, direct link to this mornings episode: http://tytmembermedia.s3.amazonaws.com/161222__OS.mp4
thank you Blaktron!
why cant they get this right? Where is the video?
The description is wrong. It’s Cenk and Ben.
This is last weeks episode, hahaha