Anyone ever looked into people that were rejected from joining the police department? He would have had the training and would have held a grudge for not being accepted. Just a thought
There was no 911 operators back then. And obviously no recording.
We had to dial the whole police number on a rotary phone. Or dial “O” for operator.
You had better know your address, though.
When my son Joby got shot he was able too subdue his attacker until police showed up, W
With a 38 caliber bullet 2 inches away from his spine. So I think he could have identified him
Grace, let me start out by telling you I absolutely love your show! I am in anti-money laundering and am on my computer all day. I start out my mornings by listening to the live shows from the night before and obvi the post-game show and my afternoons are filled with listening to your show. I literally look forward to listening to you and individuals from TYT talking about murder LOL so very entertaining. I am going to be devastated when I have seen all the episodes. I am 22 and haven’t heard of many of these murders. I would love for you to go over some newer stories as well as have Cenk on the show! XOXOX Ab
That certainly seems plausible. I also wonder if some sort of religious motive was involved? Given the choice of his original victims. It seems like he was waiting at these spots where lovers frequently met. A purity issue? I would also suggest he might’ve had trouble with his mother or father… someone was dating in his life and he didn’t like it. Maybe an affair or new partners? I don’t know, just suggestions.
Getting shot/being in life-death situation is a huge reality check & frequently people either recall details & feelings with great clarity, or not at all…
Arthur lee Allen was said to have a habit of asking other people to lick his stamps, some of his friends said he said it was because the taste of glue made him sick, super creepy and incriminating
I love the show, especially how you take the cases apart and talk about the current influences etc. Big fan! It was even more fun with Brett doing creepy voices and screaming. You two make an awesome duo.
Maybe the “rh” initials on the desktop underside were actually “rs” and the “s” is just slanted. The writing does seem to match Ross Sullivan’s. What do handwriting experts say? Also if Sullivan was in the Agnews Insane Asylum in Santa Clara during the times of the murders, as his brother claims he may have been, has anyone checked this out? Maybe he was there later.
it def wasnt the guy with the post stamp. 1. he doesnt look like the guy they were looking for and secondly 1969 was no one aware that such thing as DNA could come into play as a way of solving a crime. therefor the killer didnt think about asking whoever to lick the stamp.
the one who licked the stamp is the killer. if the DNA doesnt match with allen, well he aint the killer.
These creeps have GOT to be fingered, their deaths should be no obstacle to technological progress in getting them. Future generations of creeps idolize and try to best these killers until it becomes clear who they are, then these new guys start thinking those creeps aren’t so cool anymore. They also start realizing those lax law days ain’t coming back and their attempts to outsmart investigations are being thwarted more and more by We The People and professionals now.
Fingering these murderers even after their deaths puts a big stop to copycats and idolizers because the one thing they hate worse than being identified in life is having their graves and names desecrated for all in the future to see and revile.
As I understand it, the Jack the Ripper tours in London have significantly decreased participant numbers thanks to that diligent university professor fingering the guy over 130 years later. No more hero worship for weirdo whackers.
My Mom grew up in Vallejo and went to high school with Betty Lou Jensen. My Dad worked for SFPD around that time as well and had quite a few stories about the Zodiac, but he mentioned that he did respond to the call on Washington street. I remember they had a Zodiac novel on the bookshelf growing up and we’d talk about it from time to time. SF was crazy in those days and seems like every time I talk to them some other story comes out. He was shot in the leg on duty and decided to retire after that.
Great episode! Would love to hear an update on Grace’s thoughts on the Jonbenet case after the CBS documentary investigation. I think they did a good job knocking down the intruder theory, which was what Grace thought on the Jonbenet murder with friends episode, but I don’t know that I buy their theory about the brother.
You were fantastic. I loved you.
You know, Grace, I like your style and I would love to be your friend and hang out with you, how awesome would be to get such a sharp male friend ( I no longer have these for many reasons and it is disappointing. ..Lucky me, I get to do enjoy your friendship while are notwatching these Murder with Friends episodes. I would love to be able to spend an evening with your exclusive presence, let it be mcdonalds, whatever. But that won’t happen o f c o u r s e , therefore you are a star !! ;)
Yeah, you can totally be cognoscente of what’s happening around you after being shot while being able to rely on memories of the event. I’ve never been shot myself, but I have experienced plenty of violent trauma in my lifetime, some anticipated some completely unexpected. Everyone is vastly different in how they respond to trauma, and memories can get distorted or blocked out all together, but you’re still basically aware of the world and yourself.
When you’ve become severely injured (especially in the case where the threat is a person and they’re sticking around) and it’s immediately clear that you’re likely going to die, I don’t know how to explain it exactly other than to say it’s an entirely different mode of being than our day to day lives. It’s kind of like an acid trip without the euphoria (though actually, I’ve experienced euphoria before in situations like this). It’s a mental place where there are no opinions, thoughts feel far away and not your own, there is no regard for your own suffering or your situation (just instincts), and time is anything but linear. If the situation is even more dire, and there is literally nothing left to do but wait for your inevitable death, things get stranger, but even then, it’s plausible you can be cognoscente of the world. Things are chaotic, so trying to process a non-linear and chaotic experience with the brain of someone trying to live day to day life instead of the brain of someone facing their own death, sure, details get lost and putting it all back together is daunting, but it’s more than reasonable to think it’s possible.
Ugh… meant to make that a general post, not a direct reply. Sorry Lyle for a long ass response that has nothing at all to do with the article you posted ha.
What fascinates me the most is that he pretty much got away with several murders and could possibly still be alive killing in a more sophisticated way or he just stopped and died peacefully and seemingly did so with no real motivation.
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Anyone ever looked into people that were rejected from joining the police department? He would have had the training and would have held a grudge for not being accepted. Just a thought
You guys are near Hollywood. Can’t you get some “CRIME SCENE” tape?
The caution tape is a bit lame.
There was no 911 operators back then. And obviously no recording.
We had to dial the whole police number on a rotary phone. Or dial “O” for operator.
You had better know your address, though.
When my son Joby got shot he was able too subdue his attacker until police showed up, W
With a 38 caliber bullet 2 inches away from his spine. So I think he could have identified him
I love Brett so much. If I weren’t married and he weren’t married, I’d marry him.
You should bring Brett on more! He’s adorable, just saying. Great episode ?
Grace, let me start out by telling you I absolutely love your show! I am in anti-money laundering and am on my computer all day. I start out my mornings by listening to the live shows from the night before and obvi the post-game show and my afternoons are filled with listening to your show. I literally look forward to listening to you and individuals from TYT talking about murder LOL so very entertaining. I am going to be devastated when I have seen all the episodes. I am 22 and haven’t heard of many of these murders. I would love for you to go over some newer stories as well as have Cenk on the show! XOXOX Ab
Like Ted Bundy Zodiac looked like a normal guy, like this https://youtu.be/5PsnxDQvQpw
famous unsolved murders frustrate me so much. I WANT TO KNOW.
does anyone not realize he must have been in law enforcement?
That certainly seems plausible. I also wonder if some sort of religious motive was involved? Given the choice of his original victims. It seems like he was waiting at these spots where lovers frequently met. A purity issue? I would also suggest he might’ve had trouble with his mother or father… someone was dating in his life and he didn’t like it. Maybe an affair or new partners? I don’t know, just suggestions.
Getting shot/being in life-death situation is a huge reality check & frequently people either recall details & feelings with great clarity, or not at all…
Awesome episode! You guys should totally do Ed Gein soon!
Arthur lee Allen was said to have a habit of asking other people to lick his stamps, some of his friends said he said it was because the taste of glue made him sick, super creepy and incriminating
Would love to see you guys do the colombians Luis Alfredo Garavito and Pedro Lopez.
MORE BRETT IN 2017! Really missing VVFS still, so pumped when I see him on TYT.
Brett Erlich is Jack the Ripperer, call you friend make sure they didn’t get murdered.
I love the show, especially how you take the cases apart and talk about the current influences etc. Big fan! It was even more fun with Brett doing creepy voices and screaming. You two make an awesome duo.
Maybe the “rh” initials on the desktop underside were actually “rs” and the “s” is just slanted. The writing does seem to match Ross Sullivan’s. What do handwriting experts say? Also if Sullivan was in the Agnews Insane Asylum in Santa Clara during the times of the murders, as his brother claims he may have been, has anyone checked this out? Maybe he was there later.
I thought it was Ted Cruz.
Wow, a show about Ted Cruz…
it def wasnt the guy with the post stamp. 1. he doesnt look like the guy they were looking for and secondly 1969 was no one aware that such thing as DNA could come into play as a way of solving a crime. therefor the killer didnt think about asking whoever to lick the stamp.
the one who licked the stamp is the killer. if the DNA doesnt match with allen, well he aint the killer.
did they try to match it with sullivan?
Great job Grace and Brett.
These creeps have GOT to be fingered, their deaths should be no obstacle to technological progress in getting them. Future generations of creeps idolize and try to best these killers until it becomes clear who they are, then these new guys start thinking those creeps aren’t so cool anymore. They also start realizing those lax law days ain’t coming back and their attempts to outsmart investigations are being thwarted more and more by We The People and professionals now.
Fingering these murderers even after their deaths puts a big stop to copycats and idolizers because the one thing they hate worse than being identified in life is having their graves and names desecrated for all in the future to see and revile.
As I understand it, the Jack the Ripper tours in London have significantly decreased participant numbers thanks to that diligent university professor fingering the guy over 130 years later. No more hero worship for weirdo whackers.
My Mom grew up in Vallejo and went to high school with Betty Lou Jensen. My Dad worked for SFPD around that time as well and had quite a few stories about the Zodiac, but he mentioned that he did respond to the call on Washington street. I remember they had a Zodiac novel on the bookshelf growing up and we’d talk about it from time to time. SF was crazy in those days and seems like every time I talk to them some other story comes out. He was shot in the leg on duty and decided to retire after that.
Great episode! Would love to hear an update on Grace’s thoughts on the Jonbenet case after the CBS documentary investigation. I think they did a good job knocking down the intruder theory, which was what Grace thought on the Jonbenet murder with friends episode, but I don’t know that I buy their theory about the brother.
Nice job Grace and Brett
Gracy!!!!!!
Do a show on Ed Gein!!!!!!
He made lamp shades out of people for god sake!
dear… god… that was horrifying to read, I’ve never heard of him!!
Grace and Brett
You were fantastic. I loved you.
You know, Grace, I like your style and I would love to be your friend and hang out with you, how awesome would be to get such a sharp male friend ( I no longer have these for many reasons and it is disappointing. ..Lucky me, I get to do enjoy your friendship while are notwatching these Murder with Friends episodes. I would love to be able to spend an evening with your exclusive presence, let it be mcdonalds, whatever. But that won’t happen o f c o u r s e , therefore you are a star !! ;)
Love you dude
I love this show. Absolutely a favorite alongside aggressive progressives
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/man-now-dead-buddy-confessed-zodiac-killer-article-1.1703245
Yeah, you can totally be cognoscente of what’s happening around you after being shot while being able to rely on memories of the event. I’ve never been shot myself, but I have experienced plenty of violent trauma in my lifetime, some anticipated some completely unexpected. Everyone is vastly different in how they respond to trauma, and memories can get distorted or blocked out all together, but you’re still basically aware of the world and yourself.
When you’ve become severely injured (especially in the case where the threat is a person and they’re sticking around) and it’s immediately clear that you’re likely going to die, I don’t know how to explain it exactly other than to say it’s an entirely different mode of being than our day to day lives. It’s kind of like an acid trip without the euphoria (though actually, I’ve experienced euphoria before in situations like this). It’s a mental place where there are no opinions, thoughts feel far away and not your own, there is no regard for your own suffering or your situation (just instincts), and time is anything but linear. If the situation is even more dire, and there is literally nothing left to do but wait for your inevitable death, things get stranger, but even then, it’s plausible you can be cognoscente of the world. Things are chaotic, so trying to process a non-linear and chaotic experience with the brain of someone trying to live day to day life instead of the brain of someone facing their own death, sure, details get lost and putting it all back together is daunting, but it’s more than reasonable to think it’s possible.
Ugh… meant to make that a general post, not a direct reply. Sorry Lyle for a long ass response that has nothing at all to do with the article you posted ha.
What fascinates me the most is that he pretty much got away with several murders and could possibly still be alive killing in a more sophisticated way or he just stopped and died peacefully and seemingly did so with no real motivation.
Also – Magdalena Solis and her Mexican death cult, and Angela Simpson.
Can you do a female murderer?
We did Aileen Wuornos a few weeks back – check her out!