Is there someone “in the progressive ranks” who could have a better chance in 2020 than an old man – Bernie Sanders – (for whom I worked tirelessly and admire enormously) or a woman (wonderful Elizabeth Warren, whom I love and who is also not young)? The future is with younger people and I suspect that, despite our liberal bias, our country is not ready for a female president. FYI, I am female and do not want to believe that this is true but I also did not want to believe that Trump would win. Are we supporting losers again????
Yup, agreed. But the progressives are fighting the good fight and revealing their love of country/constitution with their sacrifice. The rest may just as well substitute “corporation” for “republic” in the pledge of allegiance.
Trump won because Democrats ran on current trade policy, which has been a disaster for manufacturing jobs in the U.S. Look at the “swing states” Clinton lost: Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota (not to mention Indiana, which isn’t a swing state–but ought to be).
The nail in the coffin was TPP. When President Obama and key Democrats came out for it and put it on fast track they lost the election for Clinton. You cannot convince workers (of any color) to support your party if the majority of us feel like the party is going to undermine us the next time it gets a chance.
Clinton had great ideas about helping manufacturing, but none of her proposals address the real issue: wage discrepancy. We’ve lost over $9 trillion in cumulative trade deficits since NAFTA went into effect. Think of that number in terms of people selling off their houses to pay for day-to-day expenses. It impoverished the country. And the Democrats proposed we make a deal to get more goods from Vietnam, a place where the minimum wage doesn’t even top $1/hour.
Trump is a villain, but he was not elected by a bunch of racist, bigoted, xenophobic misogynists. He was elected by a block of people fed up with having their comfortable lifestyle utterly destroyed by trade policy. The racism undoubtedly put him over the top, but the only reason he was competitive is because the Democratic Party is bought off by free traders, who line their pockets at the expense of workers.
The point of the Democratic Party is to give political power to people who would otherwise have none in our system. The reason it has so many people of color isn’t because it’s racist and tries to buy those people off. It’s because it’s the party that is supposed to help out the downtrodden. If blacks were a ruling elite the Democratic Party would rightly oppose their power.
The Democratic Party failed this election cycle because it decided the downtrodden were optional. Well, the downtrodden didn’t see it that way.
Here’s a message for Bernie Sanders to take to Chuck Schumer in his new job: We will marginalize you again next time around if you don’t adopt policy to help us out. That starts with repudiating TPP and establishing a policy to revamp trade policy to eliminate the wage differential. You can start with an international minimum wage and sensible tariffs that address the problem. Tell the rich donors who want the opposite they are no longer welcome in the party.
Trade has nothing to do with why the Dems lost. In all post election polls and interviews in places that heavily swung to Trump people say trade was what made them vote for Trump but when asked what would make them fight against Trump they all said “if he does not build the wall”.
Plus the analysis from two states that I saw, Wisconsin and Michigan, show that voter ID laws lost Hillary at least 100k votes in each state (in just 4 counties) that heavily voted for Obama and less so for Hillary at a lower turnout (more than enough to swing the election in both states). In North Carolina nearly 100 polling places almost exclusively in African American neighborhoods and towns were closed down and voter ID laws affected at least 30-40k voters especially college kids (university IDs are not accepted in all 3 states above).
Racism won the election for Trump (85% of his voters were white, the highest percentage of a winning candidate in modern history) not trade.
Voter suppression and racism had a big hand, but all you have to do is look at the distribution of states to see how much trade impacted the election. Trade is the reason the election was close enough for Hillary to lose, and it was the dominant factor across the rust belt. And people there read the wall as about NAFTA as much as anything. If you took the states most effected by NAFTA (the ones I listed) and moved them all into the Democratic column, then Clinton would have won handily.
TPP sent a big signal to people in those states that Democrats no longer cared about their fate. And they voted accordingly.
This election was literally all about trade. Everything else is an excuse.
The election isn’t even close nationally, Hillary will end up with at least 2 point ahead of Trump with Gary Johnson siphoning a hell of a lot more votes from Hillary than Trump (especially among Millennials and probably costing her Florida in at least one analysis). They were close in states that saw a significant increase in brown people especially in Pennsylvania and Michigan where residents of counties that went to Obama twice but swung violently to Trump (Pennsylvania mining country) and interviews in those counties people were quite clear about why they voted for Trump.
Plus those states have actually been gaining industrial jobs over the last 8 years precisely because of the trade deals, if it wasn’t for those trade deals which allowed for the bailouts in the first place those areas will all have at least double the national unemployment rate.
Finally no bunch of states suffered from trade as much as New England and yet only Maine (which voted for a racist governor twice) had a significant shift to Trump and it had a smaller industrial sector than the rest of NE.
Each state that swung did that for a reason and none of them had trade as the reason.
Trade has sucked $9 trillion our of our economy since 1994. That’s almost $30,000 per person in this country. It’s like someone reached in your pocket and extracted $30K. That affected everyone across the board. People who lost their jobs in these states never recovered. Having a few jobs added since then is a drop in the bucket.
The Democratic leadership came along and tried to add another, huge, trade deal on top of that. People heard Trump say he’d get them their jobs back. They didn’t analyze it further than that. It stopped them voting for Hillary Clinton and probably made the difference in many states between her winning and losing.
There are many local reasons why someone voted one way or the other, but the burden of being on the wrong side of this issue is what created the loss. It created a condition where she couldn’t compete where she needed to.
Compare that with an outcome where the Democratic Party never brought up TPP and instead did what Obama ran on: fixing NAFTA. There’s no question that would have kept Republicans from winning states from Wisconsin to Pennsylvania.
Yet, many Democrats simply won’t face the fact that this is a giant boat anchor holding the party back. How do you convince workers to vote Democratic when the party takes millions of dollars from Wall Street and backs trade deals like TPP?
BTW, the cumulative trade deficit from NAFTA alone is over $2 trillion. The right strategy is to put forward a fix for existing trade agreements. Then, Democrats can go to working people and say, truthfully, “We have your back.”
> Plus the analysis from two states that I saw, Wisconsin and Michigan, show that voter ID laws lost Hillary at least 100k votes in each state (in just 4 counties) that heavily voted for Obama and less so for Hillary at a lower turnout (more than enough to swing the election in both states).
Sooooo….who do you suppose will ever get rid of voter ID laws, in the mid- to longterm future? Which electoral force do you suppose wil ever fight for such a thing?
The Red states have been Gerrymandered the fuck out of them and there is no space to grow especially after the end of the voting rights act. Currently there are at least 50 republican seats in the house in states won by Hillary and controlled by Dems that can be gerrymandered and swung to the Dems. Not to mention gerrymandering state legislatures and school districts.
The more outrageous Trump gets … the more people, of every background, are coming together to try and stop him AND the weak-sauce NeoLib Dems. When Cenk notes a members comment that HRC’s admin would not be doing any of this insanity, they are right.
But, it would also be true that HRC would continue Obama’s record deportations, bashing-heads of protestors to protect Energy companies & Banksters Doing NOTHING to fix Obamacare, Flint or the nation’s crumbling infrastructure, etc, etc. Business as usual and Progressives would be buried & ignored.
The difference would be that half the country would go back to sleep because it wouldn’t be insane enough that people cannot look away. Now they are forced to look.
Schumer thinks Chairman of Outreach will be a way to make Progressives stop crying (in his opinion) and corral them. It’s a fucking bullshit position and I hope Bernie knows it.
Said it before, Stabenow is a lovely lady. But, make no mistake, she is the sweet-ol’-auntie face the DNC is putting on their shitty policies.
It’s Clinton-Neolibs saying “Progressives you now have a voice! Now STFU and make your peeps vote how we want you to. Know your place. Know your role.”
Pirate hats & swords ready?
Time to board the ship! Take no prisoners!
And John is becoming a gnat with his buzzing in Cenk’s face every time he starts to talk.
Stop it.
Sanders gets to be “chairman of outreach”? That sounds like a f**king “goodwill ambassador” or something. You’re right to flip the birds at Schumer, John.
I go right back to Cenk’s notion of “pirating the Democratic ship and taking it over”. And this time I mean literally pirating it, by throwing the current crew into the ocean, where they will be dragged down to the bottom by their heavy bags of money.
“ARRRRRR(e we near the budget committee yet, lads? So many blasted corridors and methinks I lost me second sword in the third accounting office we crashed through…)”
Regarding the killing of the black motorist; are coroner inquests conducted in the US after a questionable or avoidable death occurs? In Canada this occurs and the coroner makes recommendations that will mitigate the recurrence of such deaths in the future.
It’s looking like Trump is hiring a bunch of mercenaries after himself. When he talks about living in NYC and only working 4 days/wk I can’t help but think that he views this job as he does women: another trophy. It would fit with his how many deferments from Vietnam? Where is the love for country, the sacrifice? Remember when asked about sacrificing himself he answered something along the lines of his sacrifice for his companies but not for others except that he provides jobs. It’s all taking on a reality TV /entertainment aspect that is anything but real. Somehow that brick that broke through the window of the establishment is looking to rain down shards on the voter. Sadly this will be amusing to some, but you can’t say we don’t deserve it for voting him in.
Er, it’s definitely not in The Capital, hasn’t been there for decades. In this area, Trump isn’t that much worse than the political elite that was already there. The difference is that he is so much more blatant about it. In one sense he’s ripping the facade off how things already were.
What is worse that John just can not let go of his neo-MacCarthyism: “Notice he lists Russia first” (on Trump’s tweets). Much better than the kingdom of Saudi Arabia, what would be in case if the candidate John has supported, would have won.
John still can not stand the fact that a pro-WWIII candidate has lost, and that the two nuclear superpowers might have a chance to stop the Caribbean crisis on steroids that Obama/Clinton neolib maniacs are preparing (though it will depend on how much role Trump himself will play in international politics versus people who will be assigned; there are some horrible candidates for important positions).
Also, the way how John has suddenly started white-washing and trusting in claims of neocon maniac Eliot A Cohen just because he is bashing Trump’s team is repulsive.
John continues spreading StateDep’s neocon/neolib propaganda on how “Syrian government is set to kill as many civilians as possible”. The claim is absurd, let alone the fact that there is no evidence to support it, never was. Just as Hillary’s older claims on how Qaddafi was about to massacre civilians has “turned out” to be lie as per parliamentarian investigation in the UK (in reality, any informed sane people from very beginning knew it was a lie to commit an international aggression).
John and Cenk call the fact that the USA are funding Al-Qaeda and Muslim brotherhood a “conspiracy theory”, while there are no serious experts who would deny it. “Free Syrian Army” is a rebranded Muslim Brotherhood, and groups like al-Zinki are literal heads-chopping Al-Qaeda clones — all armed by the USA through the CIA. Also, Obama/Clinton government are definitely riddled with terrorist supporters since the kingdom of Saudi Arabia was top international sponsor of both campaign (indirectly). And yes, North Africa, Libya particularly, is given to both Muslim Brotherhood and Al-Qaeda, due to the actions of Clinton/Obama regime.
However, there is no evidence of Huma Abadin is a Muslim Brotherhood operative and of other specific claims like that. John and Cenk, however, pile on everything together to make it all sound crazy, which is, alas, not the case.
And the videos are as recent as last month. Hell if you want I post videos from this week.
Are they all lying because I’ll tell you this is one massive conspiracy because unless Bashar is the second coming of christ there is no justification for a conspiracy on this scale.
I have already listened to a few of Bashar interviews, he always says the same things. What exactly wrong with that specific interview that you linked?
I never said that atrocities and war crimes do not happen during wars; of course, they are in every war. My point is that there is no real evidence of Assad having role in it. And the amount of claims that are mostly unverifiable is astounding. The kingdom of Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Turkey, UK, USA are financing dozens of “humanitarian” organizations like White Helmets that regularly fake “evidence” of the “atrocities of the Assad regime”; we should be aware of that.
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So you admit Bashar’s forces and militias commit crimes but you don’t hold him responsible for them because there is no proof despite the fact he himself admitted to some of those crimes and never held those criminals who work for him responsible and put them on trial?
That defense worked out well for the Nazis in Nuremberg.
It does not matter what I personally admit or not; but if there is a war, there are also war crimes. It is inevitable, it is a human nature that some fighters have maniacal tendencies.
There is no information that Assad never held criminals accountable. On the contrary, Syrian prosecution has filed charges even against high profile criminals, including Assad’s own nephew (who had his trial and is in jail now). So the main issue for the Syrian prosecution is gathering evidence, which is a task that in terms of execution ranges from very hard to impossible: the war is ongoing; it is especially hard in areas that are controlled by the terrorists.
My point is, however, for now there is no way to accuse Assad of that, he gave no orders to violate the law in terms how the war should be executed.
Around the 42:M mark…You brought up the registering of Muslims, and it was recommended that in order to overwhelm the system we all register. This brings up a very scary proposition, that the system we attempt to overwhelm now has a list of the majority of those who oppose them. In a worst case scenario, this is chilling.
I like Cenk’s breakdown of the potential power play in the Senate leadership. Sounds hopeful. Things are definitely changing in the media landscape. Many of us don’t own TV’s and have ad blockers installed, so political ad wars mean nothing. Consequently, politicians who can inspire voters to action now have a better hand to play than Washington elites who rely on long established connections to the bag men lurking inside the beltway.
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Harkens back to the Crimson Permanent Assurance short in Monty Pythons Meaning of Life!
Walk the plank DNC Suits!
Is there someone “in the progressive ranks” who could have a better chance in 2020 than an old man – Bernie Sanders – (for whom I worked tirelessly and admire enormously) or a woman (wonderful Elizabeth Warren, whom I love and who is also not young)? The future is with younger people and I suspect that, despite our liberal bias, our country is not ready for a female president. FYI, I am female and do not want to believe that this is true but I also did not want to believe that Trump would win. Are we supporting losers again????
How long do you think it would take for their Registry standards to go from new people coming into the country to everyone coming into the country?
Yup, agreed. But the progressives are fighting the good fight and revealing their love of country/constitution with their sacrifice. The rest may just as well substitute “corporation” for “republic” in the pledge of allegiance.
Trump won because Democrats ran on current trade policy, which has been a disaster for manufacturing jobs in the U.S. Look at the “swing states” Clinton lost: Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota (not to mention Indiana, which isn’t a swing state–but ought to be).
The nail in the coffin was TPP. When President Obama and key Democrats came out for it and put it on fast track they lost the election for Clinton. You cannot convince workers (of any color) to support your party if the majority of us feel like the party is going to undermine us the next time it gets a chance.
Clinton had great ideas about helping manufacturing, but none of her proposals address the real issue: wage discrepancy. We’ve lost over $9 trillion in cumulative trade deficits since NAFTA went into effect. Think of that number in terms of people selling off their houses to pay for day-to-day expenses. It impoverished the country. And the Democrats proposed we make a deal to get more goods from Vietnam, a place where the minimum wage doesn’t even top $1/hour.
Trump is a villain, but he was not elected by a bunch of racist, bigoted, xenophobic misogynists. He was elected by a block of people fed up with having their comfortable lifestyle utterly destroyed by trade policy. The racism undoubtedly put him over the top, but the only reason he was competitive is because the Democratic Party is bought off by free traders, who line their pockets at the expense of workers.
The point of the Democratic Party is to give political power to people who would otherwise have none in our system. The reason it has so many people of color isn’t because it’s racist and tries to buy those people off. It’s because it’s the party that is supposed to help out the downtrodden. If blacks were a ruling elite the Democratic Party would rightly oppose their power.
The Democratic Party failed this election cycle because it decided the downtrodden were optional. Well, the downtrodden didn’t see it that way.
Here’s a message for Bernie Sanders to take to Chuck Schumer in his new job: We will marginalize you again next time around if you don’t adopt policy to help us out. That starts with repudiating TPP and establishing a policy to revamp trade policy to eliminate the wage differential. You can start with an international minimum wage and sensible tariffs that address the problem. Tell the rich donors who want the opposite they are no longer welcome in the party.
Or get used to losing.
Trade has nothing to do with why the Dems lost. In all post election polls and interviews in places that heavily swung to Trump people say trade was what made them vote for Trump but when asked what would make them fight against Trump they all said “if he does not build the wall”.
Plus the analysis from two states that I saw, Wisconsin and Michigan, show that voter ID laws lost Hillary at least 100k votes in each state (in just 4 counties) that heavily voted for Obama and less so for Hillary at a lower turnout (more than enough to swing the election in both states). In North Carolina nearly 100 polling places almost exclusively in African American neighborhoods and towns were closed down and voter ID laws affected at least 30-40k voters especially college kids (university IDs are not accepted in all 3 states above).
Racism won the election for Trump (85% of his voters were white, the highest percentage of a winning candidate in modern history) not trade.
Voter suppression and racism had a big hand, but all you have to do is look at the distribution of states to see how much trade impacted the election. Trade is the reason the election was close enough for Hillary to lose, and it was the dominant factor across the rust belt. And people there read the wall as about NAFTA as much as anything. If you took the states most effected by NAFTA (the ones I listed) and moved them all into the Democratic column, then Clinton would have won handily.
TPP sent a big signal to people in those states that Democrats no longer cared about their fate. And they voted accordingly.
This election was literally all about trade. Everything else is an excuse.
The election isn’t even close nationally, Hillary will end up with at least 2 point ahead of Trump with Gary Johnson siphoning a hell of a lot more votes from Hillary than Trump (especially among Millennials and probably costing her Florida in at least one analysis). They were close in states that saw a significant increase in brown people especially in Pennsylvania and Michigan where residents of counties that went to Obama twice but swung violently to Trump (Pennsylvania mining country) and interviews in those counties people were quite clear about why they voted for Trump.
Plus those states have actually been gaining industrial jobs over the last 8 years precisely because of the trade deals, if it wasn’t for those trade deals which allowed for the bailouts in the first place those areas will all have at least double the national unemployment rate.
Finally no bunch of states suffered from trade as much as New England and yet only Maine (which voted for a racist governor twice) had a significant shift to Trump and it had a smaller industrial sector than the rest of NE.
Each state that swung did that for a reason and none of them had trade as the reason.
Trade has sucked $9 trillion our of our economy since 1994. That’s almost $30,000 per person in this country. It’s like someone reached in your pocket and extracted $30K. That affected everyone across the board. People who lost their jobs in these states never recovered. Having a few jobs added since then is a drop in the bucket.
The Democratic leadership came along and tried to add another, huge, trade deal on top of that. People heard Trump say he’d get them their jobs back. They didn’t analyze it further than that. It stopped them voting for Hillary Clinton and probably made the difference in many states between her winning and losing.
There are many local reasons why someone voted one way or the other, but the burden of being on the wrong side of this issue is what created the loss. It created a condition where she couldn’t compete where she needed to.
Compare that with an outcome where the Democratic Party never brought up TPP and instead did what Obama ran on: fixing NAFTA. There’s no question that would have kept Republicans from winning states from Wisconsin to Pennsylvania.
Yet, many Democrats simply won’t face the fact that this is a giant boat anchor holding the party back. How do you convince workers to vote Democratic when the party takes millions of dollars from Wall Street and backs trade deals like TPP?
BTW, the cumulative trade deficit from NAFTA alone is over $2 trillion. The right strategy is to put forward a fix for existing trade agreements. Then, Democrats can go to working people and say, truthfully, “We have your back.”
> Plus the analysis from two states that I saw, Wisconsin and Michigan, show that voter ID laws lost Hillary at least 100k votes in each state (in just 4 counties) that heavily voted for Obama and less so for Hillary at a lower turnout (more than enough to swing the election in both states).
Sooooo….who do you suppose will ever get rid of voter ID laws, in the mid- to longterm future? Which electoral force do you suppose wil ever fight for such a thing?
Gerrymandering.
The Red states have been Gerrymandered the fuck out of them and there is no space to grow especially after the end of the voting rights act. Currently there are at least 50 republican seats in the house in states won by Hillary and controlled by Dems that can be gerrymandered and swung to the Dems. Not to mention gerrymandering state legislatures and school districts.
That will put the fear of god in the republicans.
The easy answer to your question- its both. Its xenophobia and frustration with trade deals
check out greg palast blasting Kris Koback for being a Koch bros lackey
The sentence was right. A message must be sent. It is not okay to kill innocent people.
Why do I keep getting the following message : “Video playback aborted due to a network error.” ? ? ?
The more outrageous Trump gets … the more people, of every background, are coming together to try and stop him AND the weak-sauce NeoLib Dems. When Cenk notes a members comment that HRC’s admin would not be doing any of this insanity, they are right.
But, it would also be true that HRC would continue Obama’s record deportations, bashing-heads of protestors to protect Energy companies & Banksters Doing NOTHING to fix Obamacare, Flint or the nation’s crumbling infrastructure, etc, etc. Business as usual and Progressives would be buried & ignored.
The difference would be that half the country would go back to sleep because it wouldn’t be insane enough that people cannot look away. Now they are forced to look.
Schumer thinks Chairman of Outreach will be a way to make Progressives stop crying (in his opinion) and corral them. It’s a fucking bullshit position and I hope Bernie knows it.
Said it before, Stabenow is a lovely lady. But, make no mistake, she is the sweet-ol’-auntie face the DNC is putting on their shitty policies.
It’s Clinton-Neolibs saying “Progressives you now have a voice! Now STFU and make your peeps vote how we want you to. Know your place. Know your role.”
Pirate hats & swords ready?
Time to board the ship! Take no prisoners!
And John is becoming a gnat with his buzzing in Cenk’s face every time he starts to talk.
Stop it.
Exactly correct on all points.
Sanders gets to be “chairman of outreach”? That sounds like a f**king “goodwill ambassador” or something. You’re right to flip the birds at Schumer, John.
I go right back to Cenk’s notion of “pirating the Democratic ship and taking it over”. And this time I mean literally pirating it, by throwing the current crew into the ocean, where they will be dragged down to the bottom by their heavy bags of money.
Agreed, sir.
Huzzah, huzzah, my matey!
“ARRRRRR(e we near the budget committee yet, lads? So many blasted corridors and methinks I lost me second sword in the third accounting office we crashed through…)”
Pepsi boycotts? Someone labeled the stories incorrectly…..
Where was the story of Pepsi Boycotts?
Thank “God” President Elect Trump is a constitutional scholar. Oh, wait….
Regarding the killing of the black motorist; are coroner inquests conducted in the US after a questionable or avoidable death occurs? In Canada this occurs and the coroner makes recommendations that will mitigate the recurrence of such deaths in the future.
It’s looking like Trump is hiring a bunch of mercenaries after himself. When he talks about living in NYC and only working 4 days/wk I can’t help but think that he views this job as he does women: another trophy. It would fit with his how many deferments from Vietnam? Where is the love for country, the sacrifice? Remember when asked about sacrificing himself he answered something along the lines of his sacrifice for his companies but not for others except that he provides jobs. It’s all taking on a reality TV /entertainment aspect that is anything but real. Somehow that brick that broke through the window of the establishment is looking to rain down shards on the voter. Sadly this will be amusing to some, but you can’t say we don’t deserve it for voting him in.
> Where is the love for country, the sacrifice?
Er, it’s definitely not in The Capital, hasn’t been there for decades. In this area, Trump isn’t that much worse than the political elite that was already there. The difference is that he is so much more blatant about it. In one sense he’s ripping the facade off how things already were.
John is just annoying. Stop interrupting Cenk because he actually has something to say.
“Johnny Interruptus” is so clueless……… sigh…..
What is worse that John just can not let go of his neo-MacCarthyism: “Notice he lists Russia first” (on Trump’s tweets). Much better than the kingdom of Saudi Arabia, what would be in case if the candidate John has supported, would have won.
John still can not stand the fact that a pro-WWIII candidate has lost, and that the two nuclear superpowers might have a chance to stop the Caribbean crisis on steroids that Obama/Clinton neolib maniacs are preparing (though it will depend on how much role Trump himself will play in international politics versus people who will be assigned; there are some horrible candidates for important positions).
Also, the way how John has suddenly started white-washing and trusting in claims of neocon maniac Eliot A Cohen just because he is bashing Trump’s team is repulsive.
John continues spreading StateDep’s neocon/neolib propaganda on how “Syrian government is set to kill as many civilians as possible”. The claim is absurd, let alone the fact that there is no evidence to support it, never was. Just as Hillary’s older claims on how Qaddafi was about to massacre civilians has “turned out” to be lie as per parliamentarian investigation in the UK (in reality, any informed sane people from very beginning knew it was a lie to commit an international aggression).
John and Cenk call the fact that the USA are funding Al-Qaeda and Muslim brotherhood a “conspiracy theory”, while there are no serious experts who would deny it. “Free Syrian Army” is a rebranded Muslim Brotherhood, and groups like al-Zinki are literal heads-chopping Al-Qaeda clones — all armed by the USA through the CIA. Also, Obama/Clinton government are definitely riddled with terrorist supporters since the kingdom of Saudi Arabia was top international sponsor of both campaign (indirectly). And yes, North Africa, Libya particularly, is given to both Muslim Brotherhood and Al-Qaeda, due to the actions of Clinton/Obama regime.
However, there is no evidence of Huma Abadin is a Muslim Brotherhood operative and of other specific claims like that. John and Cenk, however, pile on everything together to make it all sound crazy, which is, alas, not the case.
Seeing they already killed 400k civilians why stop now?
And the Syrian regime is made up of angels who throw roses at civilians:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2012/jul/28/syria-member-shabiha-militia-speaks-video
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=600_1357334397
The proof of the “atrocities of the Assad regime” is a four-year old video of someone talking after being tortured by the Western-backed jihadis?
And another set of old videos of unknown and unverifiable origin should somehow expose Assad’s role in any of this?
And the other video?
And the youtube videos?
And the facebook pages?
And the pictures?
And the news reports?
And the Human rights groups?
And even Bashar himself?
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/spiegel-interview-with-syrian-president-bashar-assad-a-926456.html
And the videos are as recent as last month. Hell if you want I post videos from this week.
Are they all lying because I’ll tell you this is one massive conspiracy because unless Bashar is the second coming of christ there is no justification for a conspiracy on this scale.
I have already listened to a few of Bashar interviews, he always says the same things. What exactly wrong with that specific interview that you linked?
I never said that atrocities and war crimes do not happen during wars; of course, they are in every war. My point is that there is no real evidence of Assad having role in it. And the amount of claims that are mostly unverifiable is astounding. The kingdom of Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Turkey, UK, USA are financing dozens of “humanitarian” organizations like White Helmets that regularly fake “evidence” of the “atrocities of the Assad regime”; we should be aware of that.
So you admit Bashar’s forces and militias commit crimes but you don’t hold him responsible for them because there is no proof despite the fact he himself admitted to some of those crimes and never held those criminals who work for him responsible and put them on trial?
That defense worked out well for the Nazis in Nuremberg.
It does not matter what I personally admit or not; but if there is a war, there are also war crimes. It is inevitable, it is a human nature that some fighters have maniacal tendencies.
There is no information that Assad never held criminals accountable. On the contrary, Syrian prosecution has filed charges even against high profile criminals, including Assad’s own nephew (who had his trial and is in jail now). So the main issue for the Syrian prosecution is gathering evidence, which is a task that in terms of execution ranges from very hard to impossible: the war is ongoing; it is especially hard in areas that are controlled by the terrorists.
My point is, however, for now there is no way to accuse Assad of that, he gave no orders to violate the law in terms how the war should be executed.
Around the 42:M mark…You brought up the registering of Muslims, and it was recommended that in order to overwhelm the system we all register. This brings up a very scary proposition, that the system we attempt to overwhelm now has a list of the majority of those who oppose them. In a worst case scenario, this is chilling.
I like Cenk’s breakdown of the potential power play in the Senate leadership. Sounds hopeful. Things are definitely changing in the media landscape. Many of us don’t own TV’s and have ad blockers installed, so political ad wars mean nothing. Consequently, politicians who can inspire voters to action now have a better hand to play than Washington elites who rely on long established connections to the bag men lurking inside the beltway.
Jayar needs a cassette tape in his boombox ;)
Kinky!
I was thinking the same. A Memorex with “mixtape” scribbled on it. I have a few of those.
Really, Johny Pie? You’d rather call sports than be “the one who knocks”? Quick! How many colonist athletes can you name from 1776?
Debbie Stabenow is the fox guarding the hen house. She took money from Agribusiness and helped defeat Vermont’s GMO labeling laws.
Yeah cenks right. He does need to stop hanging out in washington.