Cenk and John Iadarola watch an old TYT clip about hot lesbians in jail. Cenk reflects on how so many people doubted that TYT would get this far. John compares the way TYT presents news to how local mainstream news stations present news.
I love that Cenk considers the members his boss. Btw I asked God who the sexually immoral were after 3 days of thought spent on it and his response was pretty epic. I intend this in the most humble way possible. I’m crazy.
He literally opened the segment with ” I denounce and reject myself ahead of time”. While i hear and respect your concerns, i don’t think there was malicious intent, especially given that it’s John and Cenk you’re talking about. Chill.
That was awful! I wonder if either of you would’ve been as comfortable with Cenk’s fetishizing of the awful situation those women are in if it was Grace watching that video with you (I hope you both would’ve more easily realized how disgusting it was that you seemed to completely loose the fact that those were PEOPLE in JAIL that the story was talking about). The big difference (then vs. now) I saw was that Ana was clearly uncomfortable with how Cenk barely thought of those women for 2 seconds as actual people before he started fantasizing about the lame porn the situation reminded him of whereas now she’d speak up for those women as human beings rather than chuckle awkwardly.
I was REALLY disappointed that neither one of you had evolved in how you saw that. As for TYT vs. TV be careful Cenk, the fact that you weren’t bothered by the sexist way you approached the story and dismissed the discrimination those women were facing and then jumped to patting yourself on the back for it really worried me. Don’t become so full of yourself that you don’t see when you have room for improvement. THAT classic is NOT why TYT is ‘winning’ and, if you continue to find it so difficult to see women as people (reminds me of this week when you were ok with the frat having posted lists ranking Junior Varsity team members on what they perceived as the women’s level of attractiveness). Hoping their are crew members who care enough about the show to do a better job of pairing the videos they choose for things like this with hosts that will have varied opinions (for example, Jayar seems to be more capable of seeing all types of people – regardless of gender, sexual orientation, financial status, race, etc – as PEOPLE and able to separate his opinions on a topic from how he sees the people it involves (he rarely joins in the mocking of people’s physical appearance or describing women as nothing more than sex objects regardless of if those involved in a story are despicable, doing something stupid, etc — that doesn’t apply to this story but treating all people respectfully and valuing them as humans does).
REALLY disappointed that your take on a story like that hasn’t evolved at all, you were WAY more similar to ‘traditional media’ in this video (and the one you were watching) then you are realizing, the male hosts on a TV news show breaking character to demean women isn’t rare at all (though it is at least becoming less frequent and that is one way you should be doing more then keeping up, I think many of us viewers come to TYT expecting that you are leading the way in that regard so please, don’t let us down and don’t kid yourself thinking you behaved as ‘progressive’ men in this video or the one you watched, you reminded me more of cavemen then progressives in this instance.
You’re overreacting. A story about lesbians in jail reminded Cenk of porn about lesbians in jail, that doesn’t mean he’s actually dismissive of prison segregation, he’s just amusing himself because he’s a dork, and that is what people like about TYT. It doesn’t make Cenk a sexist demeaning caveman if he isn’t super serious and respectful about every story, being able to make light of things and talk openly is what makes TYT fun to watch. If you disagree with him on things like the Junior Varsity thing than fair enough since those are his actual opinions, but I don’t think you need to resort to caps lock when he’s clearly just kidding around.
I am in agreement almost totally on this one. I was a bit taken aback at first at what I thought was a change- that Cenk had grown as a man in 7 years- only to watch some kind of regression on the part of both of them.
I am in agreement almost totally with NorthernNights on this one. I was a bit taken aback at first at what I thought was a change- that Cenk had grown as a man in 7 years- only to watch some kind of regression on the part of both of them.
But this is why a lot of ppl still don’t believe in the #metoo movement. Ppl are confusing sexual abuse/assault/harassment with banter and ppl being ppl. What trump said on that bus wasn’t locked room talk but an actual brag about what he did. I grew up with 3 older brothers and you hear some very unsavoury things in regards to how they talk about women. Doesn’t make it right for sure but this was tame in comparison to any of that. There is also the aspect that men and women are humans and have urges and desires, they say things that mostly stay in fantasy because they’ll never live them out. I’m a progressive but some take being progressive too far to the point that you have thought police controlling everything. This wasn’t that bad, if they were being serious that would be a whole different story but I kind of think for most guys if you were to say anything about lesbians, their mind goes in one direction it’s almost human nature. Again doesn’t make it right but there’s a reason why it has generally been alright for women to be gay but for guys it was totally unexpectable. I haven’t heard of many gay bashing involving women, it’s cause guys secretly think they could turn lesbians, guys they can’t and feel threatened. It’s a societal thing which has existed since ppl were first around. Getting pissed at them cause they haven’t made enough progress when they’ve made some progress is counter productive. Cenk admits he has some ways to go in some areas but don’t beat down on someone when they haven’t gone far enough for your liking. My mum used to be one of those ppl that victim blamed (she’s 70) but through talking to her and explaining things she doesn’t anymore. She might still have opinions I disagree (mostly she sees things from my perspective now) but with logic and reason you can get ppl to grow. The more you judge someone the less likely they are to change.
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we can watch the old public access show?!?!?
I think Cenk predicted Orange is the New Black
I love that Cenk considers the members his boss. Btw I asked God who the sexually immoral were after 3 days of thought spent on it and his response was pretty epic. I intend this in the most humble way possible. I’m crazy.
He literally opened the segment with ” I denounce and reject myself ahead of time”. While i hear and respect your concerns, i don’t think there was malicious intent, especially given that it’s John and Cenk you’re talking about. Chill.
That was awful! I wonder if either of you would’ve been as comfortable with Cenk’s fetishizing of the awful situation those women are in if it was Grace watching that video with you (I hope you both would’ve more easily realized how disgusting it was that you seemed to completely loose the fact that those were PEOPLE in JAIL that the story was talking about). The big difference (then vs. now) I saw was that Ana was clearly uncomfortable with how Cenk barely thought of those women for 2 seconds as actual people before he started fantasizing about the lame porn the situation reminded him of whereas now she’d speak up for those women as human beings rather than chuckle awkwardly.
I was REALLY disappointed that neither one of you had evolved in how you saw that. As for TYT vs. TV be careful Cenk, the fact that you weren’t bothered by the sexist way you approached the story and dismissed the discrimination those women were facing and then jumped to patting yourself on the back for it really worried me. Don’t become so full of yourself that you don’t see when you have room for improvement. THAT classic is NOT why TYT is ‘winning’ and, if you continue to find it so difficult to see women as people (reminds me of this week when you were ok with the frat having posted lists ranking Junior Varsity team members on what they perceived as the women’s level of attractiveness). Hoping their are crew members who care enough about the show to do a better job of pairing the videos they choose for things like this with hosts that will have varied opinions (for example, Jayar seems to be more capable of seeing all types of people – regardless of gender, sexual orientation, financial status, race, etc – as PEOPLE and able to separate his opinions on a topic from how he sees the people it involves (he rarely joins in the mocking of people’s physical appearance or describing women as nothing more than sex objects regardless of if those involved in a story are despicable, doing something stupid, etc — that doesn’t apply to this story but treating all people respectfully and valuing them as humans does).
REALLY disappointed that your take on a story like that hasn’t evolved at all, you were WAY more similar to ‘traditional media’ in this video (and the one you were watching) then you are realizing, the male hosts on a TV news show breaking character to demean women isn’t rare at all (though it is at least becoming less frequent and that is one way you should be doing more then keeping up, I think many of us viewers come to TYT expecting that you are leading the way in that regard so please, don’t let us down and don’t kid yourself thinking you behaved as ‘progressive’ men in this video or the one you watched, you reminded me more of cavemen then progressives in this instance.
You’re overreacting. A story about lesbians in jail reminded Cenk of porn about lesbians in jail, that doesn’t mean he’s actually dismissive of prison segregation, he’s just amusing himself because he’s a dork, and that is what people like about TYT. It doesn’t make Cenk a sexist demeaning caveman if he isn’t super serious and respectful about every story, being able to make light of things and talk openly is what makes TYT fun to watch. If you disagree with him on things like the Junior Varsity thing than fair enough since those are his actual opinions, but I don’t think you need to resort to caps lock when he’s clearly just kidding around.
I am in agreement almost totally on this one. I was a bit taken aback at first at what I thought was a change- that Cenk had grown as a man in 7 years- only to watch some kind of regression on the part of both of them.
I am in agreement almost totally with NorthernNights on this one. I was a bit taken aback at first at what I thought was a change- that Cenk had grown as a man in 7 years- only to watch some kind of regression on the part of both of them.
But this is why a lot of ppl still don’t believe in the #metoo movement. Ppl are confusing sexual abuse/assault/harassment with banter and ppl being ppl. What trump said on that bus wasn’t locked room talk but an actual brag about what he did. I grew up with 3 older brothers and you hear some very unsavoury things in regards to how they talk about women. Doesn’t make it right for sure but this was tame in comparison to any of that. There is also the aspect that men and women are humans and have urges and desires, they say things that mostly stay in fantasy because they’ll never live them out. I’m a progressive but some take being progressive too far to the point that you have thought police controlling everything. This wasn’t that bad, if they were being serious that would be a whole different story but I kind of think for most guys if you were to say anything about lesbians, their mind goes in one direction it’s almost human nature. Again doesn’t make it right but there’s a reason why it has generally been alright for women to be gay but for guys it was totally unexpectable. I haven’t heard of many gay bashing involving women, it’s cause guys secretly think they could turn lesbians, guys they can’t and feel threatened. It’s a societal thing which has existed since ppl were first around. Getting pissed at them cause they haven’t made enough progress when they’ve made some progress is counter productive. Cenk admits he has some ways to go in some areas but don’t beat down on someone when they haven’t gone far enough for your liking. My mum used to be one of those ppl that victim blamed (she’s 70) but through talking to her and explaining things she doesn’t anymore. She might still have opinions I disagree (mostly she sees things from my perspective now) but with logic and reason you can get ppl to grow. The more you judge someone the less likely they are to change.
hey doesn t cenk look like fred Flintstone????? WILLLLLLMAAA!!!!!