Grace Baldridge and Sam Schacher discuss the gruesome murder of 6-year old beauty pageant queen, JonBenét Ramsey. She was found murdered in her home, but the killer was never found.
I’m a new member sorry about the necro reply. I don’t know anything about these fancy computing machines but I got it to play in Microsoft Edge & when I inspected the element & saw the CSS, HTTPS, and script syntax errors the player crashed. When I refreshed the page it downloaded the video. So now I have 160914__MF01JonBenet_1.mp4 (runtime – 51:31, 1280 x 720 | mp4a 44100 Hz Stereo 32 bit audio) in my downloads folder. So that’s one way to watch it I guess? Amazon AWS?
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It’s only 488,187,677 bytes and took about 3 seconds to dl. The newer episodes run fine in Firefox. I wouldn’t have gone back to the oldest video if I wasn’t enjoying the episodes. If TYT isn’t interested in renewing MWF perhaps it could pitch it to another content provider. The show has potential. A Halloween special would be pretty sweet.
So very occasionally I get bored and go back and rewatch some of my favorite episodes, I am doing that tonight.
I get that this would be a stupid secret to take to your grave but a lot of people are like “how didn’t the family hear” first I have done sleepovers in 3 and 2 story houses and yeah honestly there is a good chance the family didn’t hear. I had a friend that they remodeled their basement specifically so the kids could use it when they had friends over and we would watch movies with surround sound on full blast (or just plain sneak out) and nothing. I digress what if the parents didn’t hear because they were taking sleeping medication? They were ashamed because they allowed their daughter to be murdered in their house and slept through it, didn’t tell the cops why, then just dug into the lie. I mean again that’s a really really dumb secret to take to the grave (in Patsy’s case) and if it’s true why isn’t John trying to clear his wife’s name but maybe? Just to address “how didn’t they wake up” which doesn’t address the other mountain of problems with this story.
Seriously though if someone wrote a crime novel that played out like this case my knee-jerk reaction would be “crappiest writer ever so many plot holes” but apparently…
Also, I am writing off Burke as a suspect personally. Maybe he hit her and she came too and the family covered it up (but I don’t even buy that) but I don’t believe a 9-year-old could have done what was needed to kill her. Just physically I don’t think he would be able. I have seen the theories of he did one of the first steps and the family covered for him but I think they could have easily circled the wagons another way and kept Burke out of trouble. They would have had to be super convinced that one of the kids would let it slip that Burke tried to hurt her and convinced it would have ruined their rep so much. I think if anything if Burke hit her and meant to hurt her they would have done something to him, not helped “finish the job” on her
Yeah, no joke 1000% it was the family or someone that was either close or knew the amount that he was getting (like an accountant or something). There is no way that is a coincidence
Really appreciating the freetyt membership! I’ll definitely be subscribing next month :) My theory is that she was killed on accident by either Patsy or Burke. I think that on Christmas night, she woke up after being put to bed and she was fed pineapple by one of them. I’m not sure if she had wet the bed that night (I don’t think there was any evidence of this), so I think that she may have woken up because she was hungry/had fallen asleep in the car.
My gut says that it was Burke, honestly. I’m not sure if you guys remember this since you didn’t mention it, but there was evidence to suggest that Burke played a bit too rough with Jean-Benet at times. I’m pretty sure there was an incident where he hit her in the head with a bat or something of the sort and she got pretty hurt. I’ve also heard that the “taser” mark on her resembles a piece of a Christmas train-track that they had in their house that Burke was setting up. Also, the flashlight that was found on the table beside the pineapple bowl matches Jean-Benet’s skull fracture perfectly. Maybe Burke got frustrated because she wanted to help him assemble the train, and Burke hit her in the head with the flashlight. I think she passed out, and Burke got scared and his mother somehow was the first one to discover/be told about the accident and her motherly instincts kicked in. As in, she knew what Burke did was an accident and had come to the realization that if she called the police, he would probably be incarcerated or punished and she would lose both of her children instead of just one.
The way the flashlight is placed looks so staged– I think Patsy put it there when she discovered Jean-Benet unconscious. Also, maybe her injury was so bad that she knew there was no hope of getting her medical help, so she just had to “finish the job”. I’m not sure if she got her husband to do it or if she did it herself. I think Jean-Benet may have woken up while being strangled–and yes, if you’re brain dead, you can definitely still reach for your neck if your air supply is being cut off and the motor skills part of your brain is still intact–it’s more of a natural reaction to the body dying. I think the strangulation was to possibly finish things off (or maybe she didn’t know she was still alive) as well as to stage things. The open window with the suit case seems so staged to me. And the way John Ramsey apparently knew where to go in the basement when he found her, and he knew he didn’t want to go alone…
As for the DNA, there were way too many people in that house and around that crime scene to really claim that it’s valid. What if DNA was transferred from Mr. Ramsey’s clothing to Jean-Benet from hugging? And the letter was clearly written by Patsy. They compared her hand writing and it was a match. And it was on her notepad using her pen. Someone had to feel really comfortable in that house in order to write that. She would know the amount of her husband’s bonus.
There’s so many other pieces of evidence but those are the things that stick out to me. What do you think?
While the show is on hiatus {starting April 2017} I’m loving re-watching
past MWFs from the beginning.
This one is esp interesting since the renewed interest in the
JB Ramsey case.
Starting from the beginning, so I am way behind. This is great, and I’m looking forward to playing “catch up” — one observation from toward the beginning … Maybe Brock is Nancy’s son. :-D
Hi guys
I now watch this a second time. I remember this case vividly, I was in Boston at the time, that winter we were spending evenings stuck indoors with tv only (we still were able to get tv from antennas, rather than paying for cable) . Media was all over the story. You could not get away from it. It was as large as OJ and subsequently Lacy Peterson (I am certain you are preparing big for that one, Grace, seriously. Would it be XMas “special”? :)
I ve been curious about Patsy. I think she might have been involved if you consider factors such as : 1. Christmas time is a stressful time for house wives , and not only but especially, considering their standing within their community; 2. Patsy is reported / admitted to doing laundry and kitchen work that morning. Isn’t it possible that she was so frustrated with her daughter as to kill her? Especially if she had to put wetted sheets in the laundry on the “must be perfect ” XMas day.
And she acted. I think she had it brewing for a long time in her. She had all reasons to resent her daughter, while comparing her role in it versus Jon Benet , s. Maybe she was even seeing something that threatened her entire family – the devil’s work! jn her daughter, s success.
I remember thinking while watching coverage at the time that there was something shady about the woman, not so about the father. Well, huntches are not proof but detectives admit using those. Now I am not sure whether I was led to think that way at the time. For gs, I was learning English watching tv while going to a Community College in Quincy MA and living with a bunch of Bulgarians (well, only 3 of them to be fair, what would have I known?
Still, story watched now reasserts my suspicions.
Thanks guys.
More over, I think it was a mediated murder. Maybe Xmas season amplified it. I think Patsy had thought about it, has planned – she has been proven effective as organiser, and used an opportunity to dilute the waters with someone else, s involvement, and initially was saving it as of possible use. Then rage , opportunity coincided , and she naturally slipped into the planned role. She fed the pineapples to her daughter. Whether there was someone in the basement doing her bidding and actually killing her daughter? I think it is possible as a theory but difficult to accomplish. If so happened and the guy is not dead yet, how come he’s quiet? Yes, monthly payments make sense. I think John is still making monthly payments, in the memory of his wife
And Patsy could have easily fallen into the conviction she had nothing to do with the murder. We’ve seen it we know it exists.
Love, J Katia
What are ya fuckin’ taking tours there, at a murder scene? I mean I sleep in grave yards for Halloween, but at least they are just buried there. I mean Why?
My theory is that Patsy Ramsey had a psychotic break due to rage and jealousy over her husband having some sort of incestuous love for the child and then she wrote a kidnapping note to deflect . They have handwriting experts that say it’s definitely Patsy’s handwriting . But the Patsy we see is truly innocent because Patsy is not the one who had a psychotic break –she has no recollection of the murder. An intruder? I don’t think so .
It is difficult for many people to realize the depth of dysfunction within a family even a rich one –as a childhood survivor of sexual abuse I have many memories of my mother being jealous and blaming me for my father sexually abusing me .
Two things stood out for me:
(Forgive me if someone already mentioned this.)
1) When John says, “I did not kill my daughter”, he is nodding his head which is in conflict with what he is saying. Give it a try and see how odd that is.
2) When Patsy says, “I did not kill JonBenet”, she does the same thing John does and then she says, “I love that child”, she is distancing her self from her daughter, she closes her eyes because she doesn’t want people to “see” that she is lying and she is shaking her head which doesn’t match what she is saying.
Now I didn’t establish a baseline because there wasn’t any footage of normalcy, how they behave in a normal situation, all I can say is that body language exposes what’s going on in the mind of the person.
Hey, this is a great series :) and hope it continues after Halloween. Just wondering if you guys are considering talking about murders that were done outside of the US. As a Canadian, there’s been a few, most notably a married couple, Paul Bernardo and Karla Holmolka in the 1990s. That would be interesting….
I remember the stories on those two… they were disgusting and horrific.. they started by raping and and killing HER Sister… and then it continued… in the most lurid ways.. It’s amazing how wrong some people can turn..
Why on earth didn’t they pay any attention to the work-contact theory? He clearly said “I respect your BUSINESS but not the country you serve” meaning he respects what he does for a living but not the country he serves… so look at the countries he does work for to figure that out… and the $118k also puts the suspect in the work place!!
My theory:
Somebody comes from outside through the window, maybe just an average burglar, since it’s a wealthy family.
Why does he kill the girl but not anyone else?
This is the reason:
He doesn’t expect to meet anyone at night.
To his surprise, though, he encounters the girl, who is having a night snack pine apple.
He tases her (why should the family have a taser at home? The intruder brought it with him.).
He decides to kill her so she cannot tell the police.
He strangles her.
She partly regains consciousness after having been tased and tries to stop the garrote, hence her fingernail marks.
The burglar strangles her to death and beats her, to make sure she is dead.
In order to confuse the police, he writes a ransom note, thus making a connection to potential terrorists, to make the police believe that this was not an average burglary.
Problems about that theory:
– He takes several hours to write the ransom note. How could he be certain he would not be caught during that time?
My theory:
One day, Patsy gets upset at Jon Benet because she keeps pissing the bed and sucking out at beauty pageants (whatever that entails – i have no clue how they work or why they’re even a thing).
Patsy has a reputation and the Ramseys are publicity whores (as evidenced by the Christmas Party) and Patsy’s pride won’t let her chalk up her daughter not being a pageant prodigy to the fact she’s only six years old.
She needs a boost. John Ramsey also happens to be whipped af. She convinces him to have one of his rich friends with connections stage a kidnapping for the publicity. They get a guy and no one is supposed to get hurt (hence the ‘you have a 100 percent chance of getting your daughter back’ line in the ransom note).
The intruder enters the home. Wakes up Jon Benet says, “We’re going on an adventure” or something. Makes her trust him which isn’t that hard to do. Y’know… ’cause she’s six.
This all happens as the parents are “sleeping.” Burke is sleeping or being awkward so he isn’t gonna do anything. He stays in his room.
On the way out, Jon Benet says she’s hungry, so they go to the kitchen and this stranger asks what she wants: Pineapple.
But then, something goes wrong – i dunno, she resists and hits her head, she slips and falls – something like that.
The parents hear the commotion and, after a while, they see she isn’t waking up as fast as they would want her to.
As two adults try to figure out what to do with this unconscious kid, the third of them pens the ransom note – gotta stick with the plan, right? Since they all know John and the money he makes, it’s easy to interject nuances of that into the letter.
Then, someone panics. The girl still ain’t waking up and by this point they’ve tried everything. Patsy, being the alpha she is, orders the murder of her daughter. John (whipped, useless and confused) can’t do it. The intruder is already on the premises. They make the whatever-the-hell-you-call-it to do the deed and the intruder leaves. John and Patsy cover for the intruder and feign ignorance to the whole thing.
That’s what happened. I wasn’t there, lived on the other side of the country, was only 11 when it happened, and am speculating like whoa, but I’m pretty sure that’s how it went down.
My theory, burke hit , the parents thought she was dead so they strangled her to cover marks. She woke up and fought back, paniced and screamed, they tasered her to keep her quiet and buy time. They finished her off to protect son, feeling responsible for ignoring him for her and in their mind driving him to it. They then tired to cover it up, started the ransom note the way people start ransom call in movies, it was so long because the parents were panicked and writing it together (both their ideas one note). The first draft was probably one parent trying to write it by them selves and screwing up. They dropped it at the bottom of the stair because they just didn’t know where to put it and one of them just saw that spot and thought it looked right. The evidence like foot steps in the snow and the open window are always done in movies and would have come to mind. Most of the evidence seems like it would be done in a movie, including strangling to cover marks.
Her dad got a bonus for letting someone in to kill his daughter. The parents made the note to hide it. The brother saw it and was told it was fine. Was helpless. Can’t forgive himself.
I normally avoid Sam Sacher because her and Dr. Drew are morons who work to keep weed illegal and the expense of countless minority lives in America but I do love murder.
I firmly believe the Burch did it and the parents tried to cover it up. The psychologist interview of him as a kid seems to show that he didn’t want his sister around and the way he said “she was gone so I didn’t need to draw her” is so strange. I have four younger siblings and if one of them was murdered that wouldn’t be my response at all.
I Love this show. Love the format. Love Grace. All love. Thanks!
Forget being “fair”, it’s totally legitimate to look at their personalities and reactions to situations. The little girl was found dead in the damn basement. I have always thought it was a family member. Their money bought a botched investigation. I’ll never forget this case.
MAD TV had a great skit on this … Michael MacDonald and Mo Collins did a Classic take on her parents. The atual parents were beyond creepy and disconnected from their daughter’s murder. But MAD TV’s take was spot-on in how the parents were perceived by the general public.
I don’t know if it was the son, but the family was definitely involved in some kind of cover-up.
Why would the murderer take Jon Benet downstairs? All too weird.
Okay … theory of crazy-coworker is interesting, but it is SO obvious that parents are covering up?
Maybe, the crazy-coworker knew about some shady work/financial dealings of John, was angry about him getting a bonus, and Jon Benet’s killing was an accident of her being in the kitchen at the time. That it could have been someone else dead, like the brother.
Can’t wait for the detailed look into dead kids in Iraq since the start of the sanctions until today. That’s 700.000 episodes, each one of them more informative than this fucking garbage.
Always thought it rather odd that we are so obsessed with speculating about the crimes and tragedies of random individuals who aren’t public figures and whom have never met and never will. I mean, I can see the attraction to some as titillation, as a genre of gossip and as a form of small-scale “conspiracy speculation”, and I certainly don’t deny that such incidents provide the raw materials for most of our popular fiction (e.g. police procedurals on television).
But, personally speaking, I only ever pay attention to a crime story – no matter how gruesome or unsolved or mysterious it might be under its own terms – if and when it also has major social, political or cultural relevance. As an obvious example, the murder of JFK and the accompanying murder mystery was of course highly politically relevant.
Also I recently got into all these cold cases – the black dahlia (I would love for you guys to do this next there’s so many interesting theories) the zodiac! I think her parents were definitely very suspicious but my mom says there’s absolutely no way you can kill your child. Who knows! I honestly don’t think it was the brother but he is very socially awkward. So interesting! This new show is right up my alley thank you so much tyt <3
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I’m a new member sorry about the necro reply. I don’t know anything about these fancy computing machines but I got it to play in Microsoft Edge & when I inspected the element & saw the CSS, HTTPS, and script syntax errors the player crashed. When I refreshed the page it downloaded the video. So now I have 160914__MF01JonBenet_1.mp4 (runtime – 51:31, 1280 x 720 | mp4a 44100 Hz Stereo 32 bit audio) in my downloads folder. So that’s one way to watch it I guess? Amazon AWS?
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It’s only 488,187,677 bytes and took about 3 seconds to dl. The newer episodes run fine in Firefox. I wouldn’t have gone back to the oldest video if I wasn’t enjoying the episodes. If TYT isn’t interested in renewing MWF perhaps it could pitch it to another content provider. The show has potential. A Halloween special would be pretty sweet.
So very occasionally I get bored and go back and rewatch some of my favorite episodes, I am doing that tonight.
I get that this would be a stupid secret to take to your grave but a lot of people are like “how didn’t the family hear” first I have done sleepovers in 3 and 2 story houses and yeah honestly there is a good chance the family didn’t hear. I had a friend that they remodeled their basement specifically so the kids could use it when they had friends over and we would watch movies with surround sound on full blast (or just plain sneak out) and nothing. I digress what if the parents didn’t hear because they were taking sleeping medication? They were ashamed because they allowed their daughter to be murdered in their house and slept through it, didn’t tell the cops why, then just dug into the lie. I mean again that’s a really really dumb secret to take to the grave (in Patsy’s case) and if it’s true why isn’t John trying to clear his wife’s name but maybe? Just to address “how didn’t they wake up” which doesn’t address the other mountain of problems with this story.
Seriously though if someone wrote a crime novel that played out like this case my knee-jerk reaction would be “crappiest writer ever so many plot holes” but apparently…
Also, I am writing off Burke as a suspect personally. Maybe he hit her and she came too and the family covered it up (but I don’t even buy that) but I don’t believe a 9-year-old could have done what was needed to kill her. Just physically I don’t think he would be able. I have seen the theories of he did one of the first steps and the family covered for him but I think they could have easily circled the wagons another way and kept Burke out of trouble. They would have had to be super convinced that one of the kids would let it slip that Burke tried to hurt her and convinced it would have ruined their rep so much. I think if anything if Burke hit her and meant to hurt her they would have done something to him, not helped “finish the job” on her
I’m interested in the amount of his bonus matching with the ransom amount, and the reward amount
Yeah, no joke 1000% it was the family or someone that was either close or knew the amount that he was getting (like an accountant or something). There is no way that is a coincidence
Really appreciating the freetyt membership! I’ll definitely be subscribing next month :) My theory is that she was killed on accident by either Patsy or Burke. I think that on Christmas night, she woke up after being put to bed and she was fed pineapple by one of them. I’m not sure if she had wet the bed that night (I don’t think there was any evidence of this), so I think that she may have woken up because she was hungry/had fallen asleep in the car.
My gut says that it was Burke, honestly. I’m not sure if you guys remember this since you didn’t mention it, but there was evidence to suggest that Burke played a bit too rough with Jean-Benet at times. I’m pretty sure there was an incident where he hit her in the head with a bat or something of the sort and she got pretty hurt. I’ve also heard that the “taser” mark on her resembles a piece of a Christmas train-track that they had in their house that Burke was setting up. Also, the flashlight that was found on the table beside the pineapple bowl matches Jean-Benet’s skull fracture perfectly. Maybe Burke got frustrated because she wanted to help him assemble the train, and Burke hit her in the head with the flashlight. I think she passed out, and Burke got scared and his mother somehow was the first one to discover/be told about the accident and her motherly instincts kicked in. As in, she knew what Burke did was an accident and had come to the realization that if she called the police, he would probably be incarcerated or punished and she would lose both of her children instead of just one.
The way the flashlight is placed looks so staged– I think Patsy put it there when she discovered Jean-Benet unconscious. Also, maybe her injury was so bad that she knew there was no hope of getting her medical help, so she just had to “finish the job”. I’m not sure if she got her husband to do it or if she did it herself. I think Jean-Benet may have woken up while being strangled–and yes, if you’re brain dead, you can definitely still reach for your neck if your air supply is being cut off and the motor skills part of your brain is still intact–it’s more of a natural reaction to the body dying. I think the strangulation was to possibly finish things off (or maybe she didn’t know she was still alive) as well as to stage things. The open window with the suit case seems so staged to me. And the way John Ramsey apparently knew where to go in the basement when he found her, and he knew he didn’t want to go alone…
As for the DNA, there were way too many people in that house and around that crime scene to really claim that it’s valid. What if DNA was transferred from Mr. Ramsey’s clothing to Jean-Benet from hugging? And the letter was clearly written by Patsy. They compared her hand writing and it was a match. And it was on her notepad using her pen. Someone had to feel really comfortable in that house in order to write that. She would know the amount of her husband’s bonus.
There’s so many other pieces of evidence but those are the things that stick out to me. What do you think?
Writing this from the future: May 3 2017.
While the show is on hiatus {starting April 2017} I’m loving re-watching
past MWFs from the beginning.
This one is esp interesting since the renewed interest in the
JB Ramsey case.
~Upaya~
Starting from the beginning, so I am way behind. This is great, and I’m looking forward to playing “catch up” — one observation from toward the beginning … Maybe Brock is Nancy’s son. :-D
Hi guys
I now watch this a second time. I remember this case vividly, I was in Boston at the time, that winter we were spending evenings stuck indoors with tv only (we still were able to get tv from antennas, rather than paying for cable) . Media was all over the story. You could not get away from it. It was as large as OJ and subsequently Lacy Peterson (I am certain you are preparing big for that one, Grace, seriously. Would it be XMas “special”? :)
I ve been curious about Patsy. I think she might have been involved if you consider factors such as : 1. Christmas time is a stressful time for house wives , and not only but especially, considering their standing within their community; 2. Patsy is reported / admitted to doing laundry and kitchen work that morning. Isn’t it possible that she was so frustrated with her daughter as to kill her? Especially if she had to put wetted sheets in the laundry on the “must be perfect ” XMas day.
And she acted. I think she had it brewing for a long time in her. She had all reasons to resent her daughter, while comparing her role in it versus Jon Benet , s. Maybe she was even seeing something that threatened her entire family – the devil’s work! jn her daughter, s success.
I remember thinking while watching coverage at the time that there was something shady about the woman, not so about the father. Well, huntches are not proof but detectives admit using those. Now I am not sure whether I was led to think that way at the time. For gs, I was learning English watching tv while going to a Community College in Quincy MA and living with a bunch of Bulgarians (well, only 3 of them to be fair, what would have I known?
Still, story watched now reasserts my suspicions.
Thanks guys.
More over, I think it was a mediated murder. Maybe Xmas season amplified it. I think Patsy had thought about it, has planned – she has been proven effective as organiser, and used an opportunity to dilute the waters with someone else, s involvement, and initially was saving it as of possible use. Then rage , opportunity coincided , and she naturally slipped into the planned role. She fed the pineapples to her daughter. Whether there was someone in the basement doing her bidding and actually killing her daughter? I think it is possible as a theory but difficult to accomplish. If so happened and the guy is not dead yet, how come he’s quiet? Yes, monthly payments make sense. I think John is still making monthly payments, in the memory of his wife
And Patsy could have easily fallen into the conviction she had nothing to do with the murder. We’ve seen it we know it exists.
Love, J Katia
I’ve been to the Ramsey murder scene twice. That place creeps the FUCK outta me!!!
What are ya fuckin’ taking tours there, at a murder scene? I mean I sleep in grave yards for Halloween, but at least they are just buried there. I mean Why?
My theory is that Patsy Ramsey had a psychotic break due to rage and jealousy over her husband having some sort of incestuous love for the child and then she wrote a kidnapping note to deflect . They have handwriting experts that say it’s definitely Patsy’s handwriting . But the Patsy we see is truly innocent because Patsy is not the one who had a psychotic break –she has no recollection of the murder. An intruder? I don’t think so .
It is difficult for many people to realize the depth of dysfunction within a family even a rich one –as a childhood survivor of sexual abuse I have many memories of my mother being jealous and blaming me for my father sexually abusing me .
Hi Grace and Sam. As always, great discussion. I think a phrase that might describe you Grace is curious aficiando…
Curious:
Eager to learn.
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plural noun: aficionados
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Just a thought. Love the show!
Two things stood out for me:
(Forgive me if someone already mentioned this.)
1) When John says, “I did not kill my daughter”, he is nodding his head which is in conflict with what he is saying. Give it a try and see how odd that is.
2) When Patsy says, “I did not kill JonBenet”, she does the same thing John does and then she says, “I love that child”, she is distancing her self from her daughter, she closes her eyes because she doesn’t want people to “see” that she is lying and she is shaking her head which doesn’t match what she is saying.
Now I didn’t establish a baseline because there wasn’t any footage of normalcy, how they behave in a normal situation, all I can say is that body language exposes what’s going on in the mind of the person.
Trust me, the little brother did it.
This reminds me of another kidnapping back in the nineties ……
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLuZGlwStBM
hahahaha I remember that one.
Hey, this is a great series :) and hope it continues after Halloween. Just wondering if you guys are considering talking about murders that were done outside of the US. As a Canadian, there’s been a few, most notably a married couple, Paul Bernardo and Karla Holmolka in the 1990s. That would be interesting….
I remember the stories on those two… they were disgusting and horrific.. they started by raping and and killing HER Sister… and then it continued… in the most lurid ways.. It’s amazing how wrong some people can turn..
Why on earth didn’t they pay any attention to the work-contact theory? He clearly said “I respect your BUSINESS but not the country you serve” meaning he respects what he does for a living but not the country he serves… so look at the countries he does work for to figure that out… and the $118k also puts the suspect in the work place!!
My theory:
Somebody comes from outside through the window, maybe just an average burglar, since it’s a wealthy family.
Why does he kill the girl but not anyone else?
This is the reason:
He doesn’t expect to meet anyone at night.
To his surprise, though, he encounters the girl, who is having a night snack pine apple.
He tases her (why should the family have a taser at home? The intruder brought it with him.).
He decides to kill her so she cannot tell the police.
He strangles her.
She partly regains consciousness after having been tased and tries to stop the garrote, hence her fingernail marks.
The burglar strangles her to death and beats her, to make sure she is dead.
In order to confuse the police, he writes a ransom note, thus making a connection to potential terrorists, to make the police believe that this was not an average burglary.
Problems about that theory:
– He takes several hours to write the ransom note. How could he be certain he would not be caught during that time?
To paraphrase Cenk: Don’t worry. I’ve solved it….
My theory:
One day, Patsy gets upset at Jon Benet because she keeps pissing the bed and sucking out at beauty pageants (whatever that entails – i have no clue how they work or why they’re even a thing).
Patsy has a reputation and the Ramseys are publicity whores (as evidenced by the Christmas Party) and Patsy’s pride won’t let her chalk up her daughter not being a pageant prodigy to the fact she’s only six years old.
She needs a boost. John Ramsey also happens to be whipped af. She convinces him to have one of his rich friends with connections stage a kidnapping for the publicity. They get a guy and no one is supposed to get hurt (hence the ‘you have a 100 percent chance of getting your daughter back’ line in the ransom note).
The intruder enters the home. Wakes up Jon Benet says, “We’re going on an adventure” or something. Makes her trust him which isn’t that hard to do. Y’know… ’cause she’s six.
This all happens as the parents are “sleeping.” Burke is sleeping or being awkward so he isn’t gonna do anything. He stays in his room.
On the way out, Jon Benet says she’s hungry, so they go to the kitchen and this stranger asks what she wants: Pineapple.
But then, something goes wrong – i dunno, she resists and hits her head, she slips and falls – something like that.
The parents hear the commotion and, after a while, they see she isn’t waking up as fast as they would want her to.
As two adults try to figure out what to do with this unconscious kid, the third of them pens the ransom note – gotta stick with the plan, right? Since they all know John and the money he makes, it’s easy to interject nuances of that into the letter.
Then, someone panics. The girl still ain’t waking up and by this point they’ve tried everything. Patsy, being the alpha she is, orders the murder of her daughter. John (whipped, useless and confused) can’t do it. The intruder is already on the premises. They make the whatever-the-hell-you-call-it to do the deed and the intruder leaves. John and Patsy cover for the intruder and feign ignorance to the whole thing.
That’s what happened. I wasn’t there, lived on the other side of the country, was only 11 when it happened, and am speculating like whoa, but I’m pretty sure that’s how it went down.
You’re welcome, America.
LOL at the skull and handcuffs on the table.
Couldn’t the DNA be in two places on her body because she interacted with someone at the party she attended earlier that night?
Did the investigators do anything to rule out people that the dad worked with?
“Followers” of the case instead of “fans”.
My theory, burke hit , the parents thought she was dead so they strangled her to cover marks. She woke up and fought back, paniced and screamed, they tasered her to keep her quiet and buy time. They finished her off to protect son, feeling responsible for ignoring him for her and in their mind driving him to it. They then tired to cover it up, started the ransom note the way people start ransom call in movies, it was so long because the parents were panicked and writing it together (both their ideas one note). The first draft was probably one parent trying to write it by them selves and screwing up. They dropped it at the bottom of the stair because they just didn’t know where to put it and one of them just saw that spot and thought it looked right. The evidence like foot steps in the snow and the open window are always done in movies and would have come to mind. Most of the evidence seems like it would be done in a movie, including strangling to cover marks.
Great show. I think someone that knew the father did break in, Grace’s theory sounds like a possible scenario .
I didn’t know this show existed until tonight! I’m so glad I’m a member and so glad it’s Grace. Carry on.
You guys need to do a quick 10 min follow up after watching the CBS 2 part series!
Good job Grace!
Whats The Hell!!!!!
How is this show not being promoted in the main show? I did not know this existed.
Her dad got a bonus for letting someone in to kill his daughter. The parents made the note to hide it. The brother saw it and was told it was fine. Was helpless. Can’t forgive himself.
Are there any TYT staff or hosts that come from a working class background? Besides Ana it seems like you’re all a bunch of yuppies.
I normally avoid Sam Sacher because her and Dr. Drew are morons who work to keep weed illegal and the expense of countless minority lives in America but I do love murder.
This show is great. I want more! It’s strikes such a pwefect tone. I love TYT!
I love the creepy music when Grace begins her theory.
Grace is one of the best additions to TYT since John.
Great show, keep ’em coming!
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I firmly believe the Burch did it and the parents tried to cover it up. The psychologist interview of him as a kid seems to show that he didn’t want his sister around and the way he said “she was gone so I didn’t need to draw her” is so strange. I have four younger siblings and if one of them was murdered that wouldn’t be my response at all.
Is it wrong that I happy danced when I saw this? Don’t care, keep taking my money.
I Love this show. Love the format. Love Grace. All love. Thanks!
Forget being “fair”, it’s totally legitimate to look at their personalities and reactions to situations. The little girl was found dead in the damn basement. I have always thought it was a family member. Their money bought a botched investigation. I’ll never forget this case.
I just love the set and the lighting. You managed give me this eerie feeling through out the show.
Being a TYT member has been the best decision of my life!
MAD TV had a great skit on this … Michael MacDonald and Mo Collins did a Classic take on her parents. The atual parents were beyond creepy and disconnected from their daughter’s murder. But MAD TV’s take was spot-on in how the parents were perceived by the general public.
I don’t know if it was the son, but the family was definitely involved in some kind of cover-up.
Why would the murderer take Jon Benet downstairs? All too weird.
Okay … theory of crazy-coworker is interesting, but it is SO obvious that parents are covering up?
Maybe, the crazy-coworker knew about some shady work/financial dealings of John, was angry about him getting a bonus, and Jon Benet’s killing was an accident of her being in the kitchen at the time. That it could have been someone else dead, like the brother.
I love this!!
Can’t wait for the detailed look into dead kids in Iraq since the start of the sanctions until today. That’s 700.000 episodes, each one of them more informative than this fucking garbage.
It amazes me you’re still a subscriber after all this time. Lol
Always thought it rather odd that we are so obsessed with speculating about the crimes and tragedies of random individuals who aren’t public figures and whom have never met and never will. I mean, I can see the attraction to some as titillation, as a genre of gossip and as a form of small-scale “conspiracy speculation”, and I certainly don’t deny that such incidents provide the raw materials for most of our popular fiction (e.g. police procedurals on television).
But, personally speaking, I only ever pay attention to a crime story – no matter how gruesome or unsolved or mysterious it might be under its own terms – if and when it also has major social, political or cultural relevance. As an obvious example, the murder of JFK and the accompanying murder mystery was of course highly politically relevant.
People love their murder porn. Nothing you can do about that.
is tyt taking a page from the murderino (MFM) book? if so, YESSSSS PLEASE!! any other murderinos on here?
Also I recently got into all these cold cases – the black dahlia (I would love for you guys to do this next there’s so many interesting theories) the zodiac! I think her parents were definitely very suspicious but my mom says there’s absolutely no way you can kill your child. Who knows! I honestly don’t think it was the brother but he is very socially awkward. So interesting! This new show is right up my alley thank you so much tyt <3
Loved this different format.
The show was decent, but ditch the random anticipation music.
Tyt I fucking love you guys this show is perfect and grace and Sam are perfect and I didn’t know tyt could get better but good job it totally has