Grace Baldridge and Jack Ruley discuss the brutal murders committed by the “Manson family.” Victims include actress Sharon Tate, wife of Roman Polanski, who was 8 1/2 months pregnant at the time, and celebrity hair stylist, Jay Sebring.
With Charlie sitting on that desk … it’s the same thing he did when talking with profiler John Douglas. With Douglas, he sat on the back of a chair because, as most profilers have explained, his pathos required him to place himself higher than others. When he can’t do that physically, he will do it with words.
He has that in common with Trump, a fellow narcissist.
I felt like for such a high-profile murder you all covered I was confused through most of the show. Why did the killings happen? What did Manson teach that made the women want to kill? Just super confused. I almost would want this covered again because I don’t think it was done well this episode. Then again it is an early episode and later ones are much more structured.
I too have long been obsessed with Manson and serial killers in general having grown up on Halloween and Friday the13th. This was a good summery of Charlie and the family in general. In regardless to the Dennis Wilson portion he picked up the girl hitchhiking, that’s where it began. His house was off Sunset Blvd. a few miles from the beach. When I still owned a window washing company there, I cleaned the houses windows. Took me 5 – 10 hour days, as it is huge with little windows and redwood frames, but anyway. The owner asked if I knew the Beach boys and I said I was a life long fan. He said that the house used to belong the drummer, to which I immediately asked if the Manson family had lived there. He said yes and told me what he knew, which wasn’t much. One of the days I was working there I decided it might be fun to digitize my Charlie Manson LP as well as the Manson Family sings record and listen to them while I worked. Nothing happened of course but hearing those two super bizarre albums in a place you know they had once occupied was a bit creepy. Anyway, that’s my 2 cents.
Oh one last thing, the album the Beach Boys released Charly’s song “Cease To Exist” under the softer title of “Never Learned Not To Love” was 20/20. If your boy is an actual Beach Boys fan, the word Smile would not have came out of his mouth but that is another story. Despite that part, great episode. Cheers!
I moved to LA in 1967 & had a clothing shop on the 2nd story of the Whiskey A Go Go & Charlie Manson used to sit on the backstairs playing his guitar & waiting to be discovered. One of my customers was Sharon Tate’s college roommate & I got to notify her the morning of the murders. Elmer Valentine owned the Whiskey & my friend Jan was his secretary. She told me after the murders that Jay Sebring was a sexual sadist & had a dungeon in his house for torturing women & one of her friends ended up there. Sebring & Frykowski had picked up 1 of the Manson girls who was hitchhiking & sexually abused her in the dungeon. Thus the murders were retribution for this. Sebring was a well known hair stylist with a popular salon & high profile name which may be the reasons this story never came out.
The day after the murders hippies & long hair guys cut off their hair & armed themselves. It was months before the Manson gang was caught so it was a very tense time.
Good summary of Mansons. The things I hadn’t considered before in much detail was the fact that those girls had to be crazy before, then comes the drugs and the brainwashing by Manson, and the fact that Manson’s motivation was fame and notoriety. Classic megalomaniac. The cultural connection is the most interesting part, I think you guys did pretty well on that. For me though, its pretty clear he just used aspects of “Hippie” ideology and some New Age ideas, combined with political jargon, to seduce some really ignorant girls he was sleeping with. He probably used the fact that he knew the Beach Boys too to add to his larger than life persona. To them on acid, it probably all connected in this logical way, like “o yeah! Helter Skelter, what a song! It means I have to kill this person and it ties into history”. It’s super weird, that’s why people are fascinated by it. But serial murderers are inherently weird. Of course there’s gonna be some crazy backstory and logic behind it. In reality, its all just mundane, sad, and gross. Moral of the story for me- people need to have a “grand reason” to kill. Religion, history, etc. It doesn’t have to make sense. The Nazis didn’t make sense. Their whole ideology was laughable bullshit. But they killed the most people at one time in history. Don’t underestimate the power of human ignorance and the ability for people to be sheeple. The Stanford Prison Experiment shows this pretty well
YAAAAAAAS GRACE,! You are giving me life right now! I haven’t had cable in years, and my absolute guilty pleasure are the E specials on murder and “kids who kil”, “most gruesome murders countdown” l etc etc. Now I can finally get my fix, I’m so incredibly psyched right now you have no idea. Haven’t been more grateful that I have a TYT membership! Thank you, thank you thank you! xoxoxoxo Please keep this show running :D
Excellent new show. Will join the list of guilty pleasures.
I was a young teen when the Manson murders happened, and I can verify that the dominant message permeating the world I remember back then is “if you run away you will wind up in a cult and murdering people.” Fear of that was a real thing. One more message to keep us young people on the straight and narrow.
I was living in LA when OJ happened — in fact, I’d met both him and Nicole, since I worked in showbiz. The trial dominated every day’s news as much as Trump dominates today. The verdict was shocking, but no more shocking than the white jury acquitting the officers who assaulted Rodney King. For once, the tables turned upside down, and a black man was exonerated in court (for a crime he probably did commit). Doesn’t quite balance the scales after a hundred years of black men being railroaded into conviction for crimes they often did NOT commit, but I could empathize with people who saw it as a small taste of pay-back to the rigged justice system.
Love this new show! Nice job, Grace. One thing though, watch out with the text in your fun fact bubbles. It seems to be spilling over and then we can’t really read it. Can’t wait to see more :)
The MASONS are a bunch of murderous cult groups. Filthy and nasty what they do they torture the victims out of ‘sheer’ gratification just to see the blood. Then disgustingly, they download this “information” for you to play on in video-games for “FUN”.
You may have seen them on twitch and youtube streaming. Often time’s there’ll be a man with a beard that looks like Mario and keeps babbling about NORDIC religion. His name is Ben Callis and he is a murder of Nicholas Sigullass, who he tortured and abused behind closed doors and drugged.
He is also a mygonist who hates women, children and believes he should ‘control the earth’. He’s an idiot, a piece of scum and all channels and business associates should disengage from him immediately. He’s up to no good and is complete garbage people need to wake the fuck up and stop defending this maggot. Evil Bunny and Gabbi Kat poisoned Nicholas Sigullass in return of profit and money to sell his body. He hexes people for the jists of it and has abused so many violations the man deserves to rot inside of a Federal Prison for the heinous crimes he has committed against society and the victimization of women, men, and children in general.
If you look at the channels it’s those bastards committing illegal activities of anyone they deem as “handicapped and weak and abuses them to the point of vileness”. This is an evil seed that has extended itself from GREECE underneath the Vatican. The Callisis are NO good and Evil Bunny is a nasty disgusting wentch along with Gabbi Kat using their social e-status that they got to abuse, misuse and trick the general public.
Yes it is true, the POPE and some high-officials/elites have been involved in the molestation of children. They doxx them with medicine to force them to forget I remember significantly CHAINS and Freckles.
Their part of the VLAD bloodline and they are complete crap. Why the United States keep hosting a set of people known to commit crime and evil and kill Jews, Harm Children, and do all sorts of crap is what is the saddest part.
They are also KKK members but hey, you guys like praising these people so much when their actually no good to began with.
Stop favoring these idiots. They are criminal scum and they need to be deported and kicked out the USA like the other scum. There is no difference between them, anyone who wants to butcher, torture, and kill children and women something is severely wrong with their pathetic disgusting asses.
This man has 1.6 billion dollars in the bank and he treats women like shit. I saw his ass in action he’s a piece of mysgonist shit and i’m calling the little fucker out. It does not matter how many ‘robots’ he’s built he’s an asshole that deserves to rot in the bottom of a cell.
He has repeatedly stole from banks, hacked accounts and have tortured victims both young and old. He’s an asshole and deserves sheer punishment for his wicked deeds against society. People wake up and realize not everyone on the internet is some ‘icon’ for you to follow.
An ugly punk that has made his share killing and cutting up women, children and anyone he views as weak and “prospectable”. Any woman or man in deals with this man is a true idiot and obviously blinded to the crimes he has been committing secretly in the background.
No one likes this little shit-head but apparently, after all the victims he had brought and sold online for cash people have come to think of him as “valuable”. There is nothing vaulable about this garbage can, other than he’s a rotten piece of mygonist, child-killing, lying, pretending to be something i’m not vile piece of SHIT garbage.
His location is South Carolina. I don’t give a shit if this lying little bastard cries about his “RIGHTS” being violated he has a RECORD of killing women and children WAKE up people and stop supporting this shit head and the little masonic rotten-egg status.
He looks at people sheerly as business transactions he’s a nasty little piece of crap does anyone KNOW the amount of women and children this 24 year old punk has gotten away with KILLING in the years?
He’s an asshole and deserves Federal Prison. Fuck him and the other clowns.
I love this new show by Grace, great idea. I’ve always been intrigued by murder mysteries, etc etc. Sad but it’s so interesting to delve into the mind and heart of a murderer, figure out what motivated them to do such a terrible thing.
First off, I loved the show. Well done. I noticed the picture of Vlad the Impaler in the background. If you want to talk about a murderer, it would be difficult to find one in his league. That would be a fascinating show.
The shift from the summer of love in 69 to what we actually had going on in the 70s was a bit more complicated than just the Manson family and the advent of Black Sabbath. In 1970 we had the Kent State massacre of college students by the National Guard on May 5, followed by the Jackson State massacre of more college students by the National Guard on May 15. There was the hardhat riot in New York on May 8, the Memorial park riot in Michigan that lasted about three days in August. We had the death of Hendrix on September 18 followed by the death of Janis Joplin on October 4. It was a generally crazy time with something historically significant coming up on a startlingly regular basis.
The best description I found about the Manson Family that wouldn’t let me sleep as long as I was reading it is Helter Skelter: The True Story of the Manson Murders by Vincent Bugliosi who prosecuted the family. It’s the scariest nonfiction I’ve ever read, and reading about “creepy-crawling” in 1974 made it impossible to sleep. It was like Charlie was outside. I haven’t read or heard about “ creepy-crawling” since I read the book but didn’t need to be reminded.
Also Vincent Bugliosi has a convincing argument to prosecute George W Bush on YouTube titled “How to Prosecute George W. Bush for Murder for the Deaths of U.S. Soldiers in Iraq: Lawyer” about his 2008 book with a similar title at https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDt4782gpxM.
love this show!!! Grace, you are awesome. excellent discussion, nice photos. i’ve always loved what i call my murder shows. i have a friend who’s now 17 — when she was 3, i used to babysit her; she would sit in my lap, and we would watch Scooby-Doo and Forensic Files. i must tell her about “Murder with Friends” — she and her mom would love it!
ond baby Conner, too. his creepy “birth” through Laci’s gutted torso is proper gruesome. btw, Scott Peterson’s name is listed in Sylvester Stallone’s cryoprison in the film “Demolition Man” — coincidence? i think not!
also, please do a segment on Michael Petersen, who killed his wife by bludgeoning her with a fireplace poker and throwing her down a set of stairs. that case was fascinating — the kids split sides as to his guilt.
I love this! ! main show young turks needs to shout this out more.
In regards to suggestions- this is probably a bit too old history- but the HH holmes murders, during the 1893 chicago world’s fair. Truly bizaare stuff, very very scary (and new movie coming out soon). Otherwise, Mary Ann Cotton (america’s fist serial killer supposedly, but hard-ish to find sources on).
Also, from australia- Ivan Milat. Truly scary!!
Instead of warning us about graphic content could you advertise that you’ll have graphic photos in the episodes that way I know they are worth watching? If you’re afraid of seeing horror pictures on the murder show, there is no help for you.
Yay I am so excited for this show but I refuse to watch anything with Sam Sacher in it. She ain’t a Young Turk. Her and Dr. Drew supported anti-pot lies.
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With Charlie sitting on that desk … it’s the same thing he did when talking with profiler John Douglas. With Douglas, he sat on the back of a chair because, as most profilers have explained, his pathos required him to place himself higher than others. When he can’t do that physically, he will do it with words.
He has that in common with Trump, a fellow narcissist.
I felt like for such a high-profile murder you all covered I was confused through most of the show. Why did the killings happen? What did Manson teach that made the women want to kill? Just super confused. I almost would want this covered again because I don’t think it was done well this episode. Then again it is an early episode and later ones are much more structured.
I too have long been obsessed with Manson and serial killers in general having grown up on Halloween and Friday the13th. This was a good summery of Charlie and the family in general. In regardless to the Dennis Wilson portion he picked up the girl hitchhiking, that’s where it began. His house was off Sunset Blvd. a few miles from the beach. When I still owned a window washing company there, I cleaned the houses windows. Took me 5 – 10 hour days, as it is huge with little windows and redwood frames, but anyway. The owner asked if I knew the Beach boys and I said I was a life long fan. He said that the house used to belong the drummer, to which I immediately asked if the Manson family had lived there. He said yes and told me what he knew, which wasn’t much. One of the days I was working there I decided it might be fun to digitize my Charlie Manson LP as well as the Manson Family sings record and listen to them while I worked. Nothing happened of course but hearing those two super bizarre albums in a place you know they had once occupied was a bit creepy. Anyway, that’s my 2 cents.
Oh one last thing, the album the Beach Boys released Charly’s song “Cease To Exist” under the softer title of “Never Learned Not To Love” was 20/20. If your boy is an actual Beach Boys fan, the word Smile would not have came out of his mouth but that is another story. Despite that part, great episode. Cheers!
I moved to LA in 1967 & had a clothing shop on the 2nd story of the Whiskey A Go Go & Charlie Manson used to sit on the backstairs playing his guitar & waiting to be discovered. One of my customers was Sharon Tate’s college roommate & I got to notify her the morning of the murders. Elmer Valentine owned the Whiskey & my friend Jan was his secretary. She told me after the murders that Jay Sebring was a sexual sadist & had a dungeon in his house for torturing women & one of her friends ended up there. Sebring & Frykowski had picked up 1 of the Manson girls who was hitchhiking & sexually abused her in the dungeon. Thus the murders were retribution for this. Sebring was a well known hair stylist with a popular salon & high profile name which may be the reasons this story never came out.
The day after the murders hippies & long hair guys cut off their hair & armed themselves. It was months before the Manson gang was caught so it was a very tense time.
Good summary of Mansons. The things I hadn’t considered before in much detail was the fact that those girls had to be crazy before, then comes the drugs and the brainwashing by Manson, and the fact that Manson’s motivation was fame and notoriety. Classic megalomaniac. The cultural connection is the most interesting part, I think you guys did pretty well on that. For me though, its pretty clear he just used aspects of “Hippie” ideology and some New Age ideas, combined with political jargon, to seduce some really ignorant girls he was sleeping with. He probably used the fact that he knew the Beach Boys too to add to his larger than life persona. To them on acid, it probably all connected in this logical way, like “o yeah! Helter Skelter, what a song! It means I have to kill this person and it ties into history”. It’s super weird, that’s why people are fascinated by it. But serial murderers are inherently weird. Of course there’s gonna be some crazy backstory and logic behind it. In reality, its all just mundane, sad, and gross. Moral of the story for me- people need to have a “grand reason” to kill. Religion, history, etc. It doesn’t have to make sense. The Nazis didn’t make sense. Their whole ideology was laughable bullshit. But they killed the most people at one time in history. Don’t underestimate the power of human ignorance and the ability for people to be sheeple. The Stanford Prison Experiment shows this pretty well
YAAAAAAAS GRACE,! You are giving me life right now! I haven’t had cable in years, and my absolute guilty pleasure are the E specials on murder and “kids who kil”, “most gruesome murders countdown” l etc etc. Now I can finally get my fix, I’m so incredibly psyched right now you have no idea. Haven’t been more grateful that I have a TYT membership! Thank you, thank you thank you! xoxoxoxo Please keep this show running :D
Excellent new show. Will join the list of guilty pleasures.
I was a young teen when the Manson murders happened, and I can verify that the dominant message permeating the world I remember back then is “if you run away you will wind up in a cult and murdering people.” Fear of that was a real thing. One more message to keep us young people on the straight and narrow.
I was living in LA when OJ happened — in fact, I’d met both him and Nicole, since I worked in showbiz. The trial dominated every day’s news as much as Trump dominates today. The verdict was shocking, but no more shocking than the white jury acquitting the officers who assaulted Rodney King. For once, the tables turned upside down, and a black man was exonerated in court (for a crime he probably did commit). Doesn’t quite balance the scales after a hundred years of black men being railroaded into conviction for crimes they often did NOT commit, but I could empathize with people who saw it as a small taste of pay-back to the rigged justice system.
Would love to see Grace take that one on.
PLEASE PLEASE do John Gacy next. I love these awesome dark stories. Good job guys!
Love this new show! Nice job, Grace. One thing though, watch out with the text in your fun fact bubbles. It seems to be spilling over and then we can’t really read it. Can’t wait to see more :)
The MASONS are a bunch of murderous cult groups. Filthy and nasty what they do they torture the victims out of ‘sheer’ gratification just to see the blood. Then disgustingly, they download this “information” for you to play on in video-games for “FUN”.
You may have seen them on twitch and youtube streaming. Often time’s there’ll be a man with a beard that looks like Mario and keeps babbling about NORDIC religion. His name is Ben Callis and he is a murder of Nicholas Sigullass, who he tortured and abused behind closed doors and drugged.
He is also a mygonist who hates women, children and believes he should ‘control the earth’. He’s an idiot, a piece of scum and all channels and business associates should disengage from him immediately. He’s up to no good and is complete garbage people need to wake the fuck up and stop defending this maggot. Evil Bunny and Gabbi Kat poisoned Nicholas Sigullass in return of profit and money to sell his body. He hexes people for the jists of it and has abused so many violations the man deserves to rot inside of a Federal Prison for the heinous crimes he has committed against society and the victimization of women, men, and children in general.
If you look at the channels it’s those bastards committing illegal activities of anyone they deem as “handicapped and weak and abuses them to the point of vileness”. This is an evil seed that has extended itself from GREECE underneath the Vatican. The Callisis are NO good and Evil Bunny is a nasty disgusting wentch along with Gabbi Kat using their social e-status that they got to abuse, misuse and trick the general public.
Yes it is true, the POPE and some high-officials/elites have been involved in the molestation of children. They doxx them with medicine to force them to forget I remember significantly CHAINS and Freckles.
Their part of the VLAD bloodline and they are complete crap. Why the United States keep hosting a set of people known to commit crime and evil and kill Jews, Harm Children, and do all sorts of crap is what is the saddest part.
They are also KKK members but hey, you guys like praising these people so much when their actually no good to began with.
Stop favoring these idiots. They are criminal scum and they need to be deported and kicked out the USA like the other scum. There is no difference between them, anyone who wants to butcher, torture, and kill children and women something is severely wrong with their pathetic disgusting asses.
This man has 1.6 billion dollars in the bank and he treats women like shit. I saw his ass in action he’s a piece of mysgonist shit and i’m calling the little fucker out. It does not matter how many ‘robots’ he’s built he’s an asshole that deserves to rot in the bottom of a cell.
He has repeatedly stole from banks, hacked accounts and have tortured victims both young and old. He’s an asshole and deserves sheer punishment for his wicked deeds against society. People wake up and realize not everyone on the internet is some ‘icon’ for you to follow.
An ugly punk that has made his share killing and cutting up women, children and anyone he views as weak and “prospectable”. Any woman or man in deals with this man is a true idiot and obviously blinded to the crimes he has been committing secretly in the background.
No one likes this little shit-head but apparently, after all the victims he had brought and sold online for cash people have come to think of him as “valuable”. There is nothing vaulable about this garbage can, other than he’s a rotten piece of mygonist, child-killing, lying, pretending to be something i’m not vile piece of SHIT garbage.
His location is South Carolina. I don’t give a shit if this lying little bastard cries about his “RIGHTS” being violated he has a RECORD of killing women and children WAKE up people and stop supporting this shit head and the little masonic rotten-egg status.
He looks at people sheerly as business transactions he’s a nasty little piece of crap does anyone KNOW the amount of women and children this 24 year old punk has gotten away with KILLING in the years?
He’s an asshole and deserves Federal Prison. Fuck him and the other clowns.
I love this new show by Grace, great idea. I’ve always been intrigued by murder mysteries, etc etc. Sad but it’s so interesting to delve into the mind and heart of a murderer, figure out what motivated them to do such a terrible thing.
Are they going to post more of these here?
Digging this but upload the HD version please.
First off, I loved the show. Well done. I noticed the picture of Vlad the Impaler in the background. If you want to talk about a murderer, it would be difficult to find one in his league. That would be a fascinating show.
The shift from the summer of love in 69 to what we actually had going on in the 70s was a bit more complicated than just the Manson family and the advent of Black Sabbath. In 1970 we had the Kent State massacre of college students by the National Guard on May 5, followed by the Jackson State massacre of more college students by the National Guard on May 15. There was the hardhat riot in New York on May 8, the Memorial park riot in Michigan that lasted about three days in August. We had the death of Hendrix on September 18 followed by the death of Janis Joplin on October 4. It was a generally crazy time with something historically significant coming up on a startlingly regular basis.
great show!
The best description I found about the Manson Family that wouldn’t let me sleep as long as I was reading it is Helter Skelter: The True Story of the Manson Murders by Vincent Bugliosi who prosecuted the family. It’s the scariest nonfiction I’ve ever read, and reading about “creepy-crawling” in 1974 made it impossible to sleep. It was like Charlie was outside. I haven’t read or heard about “ creepy-crawling” since I read the book but didn’t need to be reminded.
Also Vincent Bugliosi has a convincing argument to prosecute George W Bush on YouTube titled “How to Prosecute George W. Bush for Murder for the Deaths of U.S. Soldiers in Iraq: Lawyer” about his 2008 book with a similar title at https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDt4782gpxM.
love this show!!! Grace, you are awesome. excellent discussion, nice photos. i’ve always loved what i call my murder shows. i have a friend who’s now 17 — when she was 3, i used to babysit her; she would sit in my lap, and we would watch Scooby-Doo and Forensic Files. i must tell her about “Murder with Friends” — she and her mom would love it!
I meant John Wayne Gacy
Love the show Grace, I see u have a picture of John Wayne Gacey behind u. That would be a good show topic.
Do AMANDA KNOX. I’d love to hear your thoughts on “trial by media” and journalistic responsibility.
Wow, I remember being traumatized, paralyzed with fear reading the book Helter Skelter. I was terrified to be home alone.
The Darkest of the dark underbelly of evil belly fat rolls lift that fold and LETS DO IT AGAIN!!! not to much into it but knowing shit is my thang.
You should do an episode on the murder of Laci Peterson.
ond baby Conner, too. his creepy “birth” through Laci’s gutted torso is proper gruesome. btw, Scott Peterson’s name is listed in Sylvester Stallone’s cryoprison in the film “Demolition Man” — coincidence? i think not!
also, please do a segment on Michael Petersen, who killed his wife by bludgeoning her with a fireplace poker and throwing her down a set of stairs. that case was fascinating — the kids split sides as to his guilt.
This was super exciting. I would love if you did John Wayne Gacy with all the clown stuff happening now and all.
I’d love to be a fly on the wall in the meeting where this show got green lit
I love this! ! main show young turks needs to shout this out more.
In regards to suggestions- this is probably a bit too old history- but the HH holmes murders, during the 1893 chicago world’s fair. Truly bizaare stuff, very very scary (and new movie coming out soon). Otherwise, Mary Ann Cotton (america’s fist serial killer supposedly, but hard-ish to find sources on).
Also, from australia- Ivan Milat. Truly scary!!
When does this show air live? I love this show
War is clearly carved into his belly :|
Instead of warning us about graphic content could you advertise that you’ll have graphic photos in the episodes that way I know they are worth watching? If you’re afraid of seeing horror pictures on the murder show, there is no help for you.
As someone who was raised by a single mother. What use are male relationships? I’m not gay and women are more fun.
Woo hoo! I’m 31 IQ points smarter than Manson!
and all you got was that lousy tee shirt :/
and all you get is a TOO STRONG tee shirt.
I love the music!
Yay I am so excited for this show but I refuse to watch anything with Sam Sacher in it. She ain’t a Young Turk. Her and Dr. Drew supported anti-pot lies.
OMG a TYT murder show AND Grace Baldridge this is great.
They need to promote this show more.
LOVE this new show, Grace is da bomb
well there’s a subject not covered to death in the last 60 years
I didn’t hear announcements about this but I love it. Excited for the next episode!