If I could do anything to bad people… I would make them “walk in the shoes” of the people they are hateful towards. If they hate poor people? I would make them poor, to the point they live on food stamps so they can understand the poor’s struggle. If they don’t think Black Lives Matter? I would turn them into an African American so they can understand why black lives matter. I can go on and on. The problem in the world is that people do not have the intellect to understand for the struggle of others without “walking in their shoes”.
This may be off timing and it is surely a fraction of an atom’s worth for contributions but have to lay out thoughts on the RNC shouting match. It was sad and frustrating to see Jones successfully bait TYT and what concerned me the most was the amount of fresh eyes who would reasonably draw some conclusions for all parties involved. Although I disagree with the absence of dissenters on the panels, you all do some of the best possible work for relating events to the viewers,
Then when I saw the video of Cenk and company trying to lay out their version it became more frustrating. I was just amazed you guys gave Jones EXACTLY what he wanted and here is why: an audience that does not know you and watched that exchange has no reason to think TYT is any different from Infowars…and yes it turned by stomach to type it. The post yelling explanation was almost as harmful as Jones himself because even though Jones was in the wrong and was clearly being an agitator, your response is a commentary only on TYT and think you guys should have simply said you regret participation in how it escalated and regardless of his actions, TYT did not respond in the productive and informed method it strives to produce.
Drawing on experience in similar situations the best response we employed was to simply quietly and calmly stand up, and turn our backs to them and not say a word. I mean nothing. It may look weird at first but with all the cameras rolling those actions demonstrate you know priorities rule over pride and you know shouting matches are just porn purges of missing dialogue.
I know you are all honest but again, if I did not know TYT and saw Cenk screaming at them about being dishonest I would question delivery because when you have the facts, everything else is a key of Montana powder waiting to waste you. I saw another outlet show some video and comments were laughably sad because the speaker tried to claim Jones rushed your stage in response to you criticizing the police.
The first time we tried that method is was weird. Like, first tongue kiss weird but we were encouraged by the response because the trolls had nothing to say. Nothing happened. Since we did not give them any material and knowing nothing can change facts, we moved on, got our message and found a way for trolls to self ban.
The adrenaline from the Saudi accusations would have steamed anyone but if you were going to give a verbal response it should have been a request for proof. By not asking anyone to rely on your word and putting the burden back on Jones he would have been faced with ugly choices. I know it is different when you are not there but it is also well known when groups communicate honestly and act selflessly, those are the people who change the world.
Great thoughts from (I hope) a TYTArmy brother in arms. I respect your opinion and mostly agree with it. But let me add another point of view. For most of my life, I have also been able to “brush the haters off” and stay above the fray. The few times I haven’t been able to maintain that level of calm is when men attacked a female friend. He who shall not be named turned on Ana and leveled a desperate blow, no question. That said, sometimes what is said or done must be met with equal force. Cenk could have easily been physical and ended that guys month. But he didn’t. He got mad for sure, but did not use all the weapons at his disposal. Compared to me, in that situation, he was a pacificst. Storm the set, keep touching me in an aggressive way, and it ends differently. That’s why Cenk is Cenk and I am not. I haven’t been in a real fight since I was in my early 20’s (I’m 40 this year). Attack me All. Day. Long. No response. But attack my (extended or earned) family… Hell will reign down. Sometimes, as unfortunate and out of character as it may be, it can’t be ignored. But I love you brother #StayStrong
This was similar to my first impression when Jones attacked Ana, Cenk went nuts because Ana is like his little sister, and Jones tried to attack her for defending innocent muslims & not engaging in bigotry on the second hour. Also remember that we couldn’t hear much of the sounds and insults being hurled at Cenk from behind the stage.
Obviously, I wouldn’t have acted like that, but that’s probably a terrible comparison to make since we all have different triggers. The better comparison is not weather you’d act like that in that identical situation, but how many times per 10 year period would you act like that vs. cenk. If it’s pretty similar, you’d realize then that both you and he is just human like the rest of us.
Think we pretty much have all the info and we know people like Jones will be at future events. Many people were not aware of the training people like Rosa Parks endured but it was that preparation that largely provided the success.
Your words are in quotes, my answers follow the quotes:
“Then when I saw the video of Cenk and company trying to lay out their version”
No you saw your version, in your reality. It’s not hard to see that Alex was a passive aggressive coward, trying to be a jerk, who threw racial slurs, tried to provoke an incident, brought a mob that yelled at TYT FIRST, called the host a liar, trashed a news company’s LIVE show. What version did you see?
“TYT did not respond in the productive and informed method it strives to produce.”
Non-sense. You’re expecting absolute perfection. Here you are contradicting your other statement that you DON’T expect perfect performances. The thing about people that complain about us perfectionists is that those complainers never come anywhere near our attempts at perfection.
“Drawing on experience in similar situations the best response we employed was to simply quietly and calmly stand up, and turn our backs to them and not say a word.”
Passiveness is why the evil are flourishing in this world. You’re passiveness rewards and also encourages bad people to continue to do bad things to good people. People need to stand up for themselves. Don’t tie the hands of the people who stand up for themselves and you.
“The adrenaline from the Saudi accusations would have steamed anyone but if you were going to give a verbal response it should have been a request for proof.”
You’re, expecting absolute perfection again. You need to stop contradicting yourself that you don’t expect perfect performances. So do you make perfect decisions in split seconds single every day? Even when you’ve been working long hours the whole week like they did at the RNC? Why are you holding TYT to an impossible standard? It’s easy to say this in hindsight when you’ve all the time in the world to think about it.
“Jones did tell people he was invited on the stage and while that is not technically true.”
Jones wasn’t formally invited to the stage. When Cenk realized that Jones was trying to trash the LIVE show. Cenk wanted him off the stage. What’s so hard to understand about that?
“Obviously I have no idea if TYT does any training on conduct prior”
Training on how a human should behave according to your belief? If you’re looking for a corporatist channel to program humans. You’re looking in the wrong place.
Your affinity for quote mining and changing statements is not helping.
You quoted me as saying:
“Jones did tell people he was invited on the stage and while that is not technically true.”
My actual sentence:
“Jones did tell people he was invited on the stage and while that is not technically true, once he was on stage Cenk did say “Welcome to the Young Turks.”
Im not going to expend any more energy on obvious nonsense but will highlight once again the problem is not simply what happened in the heat of the moment. The problem is not accepting responsibility and holding themselves accountable to the standards they set for themselves and not the standards I or anyone else invented.
Honestly have no idea if you had too much wine or hooza but hope you were not sober when you posted such a butchered response.
I see you’re resorting to lies and false statements, because you can’t win the moral argument.
You shouldn’t expend your energy rebutting, because you know you will continue to lose. You know that there are no answers that will hold up to my facts and reasoning. So you’re trying to play it off as if you have answers, but don’t want to say them. You can’t win arguments when you’re on the wrong side.
It doesn’t matter which way you lay out your quote. So why even bother to bring it up (other than your counter being the weakest counter I’ve ever seen)? My fact and question still stands unanswered and unchallenged. Jones wasn’t formally invited to the stage. When Cenk realized that Jones was trying to trash the LIVE show. Cenk wanted him off the stage. So really what’s so hard to understand about that? All other arguments are moot.
None of my other reason and logic has been answered or challenged either.
You said, “Honestly have no idea if you had too much wine or hooza but hope you were not sober when you posted such a butchered response”
That’s an admission of defeat, when you throw false pretense to defend yourself. You’re acting like people can’t scroll and read your comments. It is you who is butchering the RNC situation seeing what you want to see. I’m not sure if you got butchered, but you definitely got decimated. Call it the “People’s Elbow” boy. Or in Anna’s words and motions “What’ Now?!”
Ignoring the other side is an admission of defeat. Next time don’t bring up a discussion or reply if you don’t have the mental capacity to back up your words.
Brylar Foustark
When I skip over links referencing Jim Hoft, wnd, fox, jones, and coulter, etc it is not ignoring different views from lack of capital but rather the grain of sand necessary to know they have nothing to contribute and are more likely to be dishonest as your posting habits have proven. It is not only about honesty, but also education and forward motion. I seriously doubt many people take your posts with any level of sincerity but it may help in the future if you took a second to breathe and learn rather than pounce and choke.
Why? You actually condemned the suggestion of training for political interactions in public hot spots or protests and claimed it was:
“…looking for a corporatist channel to program humans.”
Your arrogance is a waste of time for everyone. Your claim proves you simply do not know how protests have been successful in the US. There are dozens of links and videos showing the intense training and one example focused on the lunch counters. They did not simply walk in off the street with your infinite wisdom and “make it happen.” They were trained at mock diners and as they sat there, during the training, they were called every name in the book, had food and drinks thrown on them and were constantly under physical threat.
It is not “corporatist” to train for success you freaking idiot.
Nah, you’re skipping over all of my replies because you know you can’t win. You’re answering at least one of them so I know that you have accepted defeat on my other replies. You’re probably answering it because you think this is the only reply you have any chance of winning. “Wrong again, Bob”.
My answer is still the same. Really? Training on how a human should behave according to your belief? If you’re looking for a corporatist channel to program humans. You’re looking in the wrong place. Your original words are “training on conduct”!! I’m sorry dictionary.com defines conduct as “personal behavior”. It is a corporatist who wants the corporations to train it’s employees to behave the exact same way as the corporations want’s. That is a corporatist. But now you’re desperately trying to switch the subject to corporations training for scenarios. Here you are expecting perfect performances from TYT again. And there you go contradicting yourself again about how you “DON’T expect perfect performances” from TYT. You’re easy to disprove. I just use your very own words against you. Because you’re the dishonest one. Lyar Brylar. Duh, winning!
I see you’re starting to resort to name calling now. Like using the word “idiot”. What happened to your preaching’s about holding your composure? See how you’re so fake holding TYT to extreme standards when you can’t do the same. Thanks for proving that you don’t practice what you preach. If you can’t practice what you preach then please don’t preach. Looks like you need to watch more of your lunch training videos, haha.
Thank you and it may seem pedantic while dismissing the human factor but this type of episode can do more damage than is realized and it was after I posted someone sent me the video of Jimmy spitting in Jone’s face. When I watched other videos I remember hearing Jones say someone spit in his face and I never thought anyone from TYT would do that so I arrogantly dismissed his claim. I have no idea if Cenk or Jimmy have given a reaction and it is largely none of my business, but working off Cenk’s long term goals, that is the type of video that undermines what he has dedicated his life upon.
Jones did tell people he was invited on the stage and while that is not technically true, once he was on stage Cenk did say “Welcome to the Young Turks.” From that point forward a stage invitation became moot. Jones is a master of manipulation because he knows how to present a narrative with edited video and the spitting is video evidence at best a question of character.
If someone had told me Jones and TYT were going to argue and Jones would be the one walking away with more dignity I would have laughed until their head fell off.
I dont know if Jimmy apologized but I do know Jimmy spent quite a few lines over the past few months condemning Trump supporters for acts like spitting on each other. What happens if TYT does a broadcast in 4 months covering the immature or embarrassing acts of others in politics? Without a video taking some kind of action on the spitting, it will come back to haunt.
Obviously I have no idea if TYT does any training on conduct prior to public events but it may be worth considering because that 2 seconds of spitting on video cost TYT respect whether or not anyone cares or knows about Jones. Im aware of the videos Jones posted post mini water park and he flat out lied about many aspects of what happened but all he has to do is replay the spitting and how he did not take any physical reaction but simply walked away.
Brylar, you’ve pretty much nailed it. I had and still have lots of respect for TYT, especially Cenk with his work for WolfPAC, but the fact that no one apologised for there actions is truly embarrassing for the TYT network and their army of fans. It gave other opposing shows like Louder with Crowder and InfoWars the stage to come out as the better wing of politics and for that specific situation they did.
I know Ana mentioned how she regretted what she said to Alex Jones, and how she got very emotional (which I appreciated as a fan because she’s very honest with us) there was still no apology and further statement about how they don’t condone fat-shaming. It just shows how that was incredibly hypocritical seeing as just months before she was talking about how fat-shaming is truly disgusting and those who partake are awful human beings. I’m not even going to get into Jimmy’s idiotic part.
It’s also hypocritical for Cenk because countless times he’s told us that there’s no point shouting down people, simply provide them with facts and empirical evidence that are on your side and you will always come out on top. It’s this hypocrisy that brings us back to last year with Sam Harris and there manipulation and misleading of his point of view by editing parts of the Bill Maher show with Ben Affleck to show that Sam thinks all or most Muslims have a radicalised and dangerous ideology or thinking, without showing his methodical breaking up of the facts to come to a sensible conclusion. Yet Cenk did not apologise for that editing which makes me incredibly frustrated as a fan because how many times has he denounced mainstream media for there misleading of facts and evidence to make them seem better and there target seem less truthful. Yes him and Harris had a 3 hour debate which i thought was quite commendable and that maybe Cenk would apologise but there was a huge back-and-forth on some key issues that Sam seemed to be winning on but Cenk’s stubbornness came out on full show. Then they seemed to just forget about it and go back to normal.
This is what leads respectable political and social commentators and comedians like Joe Rogan to say on his podcast with Dave Rubin (and i’m para-phrasing) “After that Sam Harris debacle, I can’t trust what Cenk says any more at face-value.” And It doesn’t surprise me that Dave Rubin, whom I have massive respect for, left TYT.
I feel it may be too late but I’d like to hear a Post game where they spend a decent amount of time talking about there regret for it and how they don’t condone fat-shaming, screaming down others when it appears they just want a bit of political banter and how spitting at people is definitely the WRONG thing to do in any situation whatsoever.
I appeared to have waffled on for quite a while and have mentioned a lot of what Brylar has said but I have been waiting to address this for a long time and am finally glad to, I hope someone from TYT sees this and just mentions the grievances to others so they can get more of an idea for what we’re feeling as customers and fans of the biggest online news network in the world.
Thank you so much for providing an alternative news outlet which focusses on the real news.
Thank you for speaking up as well as nobody is expecting perfect performances but only accountability. For me the concern is not recognizing TYT is not the first news outlet grounded in the challenge of accurate info over all other matters. Once accountability becomes 2nd tier, accurate info is not far behind and the entire purpose of the organization becomes questionable.
Great points on the fat shaming and it must have been the sexist side of me to overlook it as an important issue.
It’s an interesting point but I don’t quite get what you mean about accountability becoming 2nd tier.
It seems we got what we asked for; last night’s post game was about their role in the RNC. I liked the majority of that PG and didn’t realise how much it affected Ana but something that still irritated me was how Cenk shrugged off Jimmy’s massive role in that debacle. I know AJ and Co are asking for him to be fired, we’re not, well I’m not anyway. I’m just asking for him to recognise how unbelievably revolting and unthinkably stupid it was to spit a drink at someone and squirm away like a coward in the middle of an argument that he should be deescalating and not the opposite.
Sorry I missed this earlier and will have to watch the Post Game on the RNC in full later today. Accountability becoming second tier affects lower quality performances all around and once it takes hold it becomes easier to become sloppy on follow up. Rather than admit errors in information after a broadcast you simply pretend it didnt happen then move on to the next and as your audience changes due to performance you become enabled in the bias and before long the show has become exactly what it set out to fight against.
Cheers to you was well! (although no matter how many times us yanks say it we cannot get the accent quite right)
In your words, “nobody is expecting perfect performances”.
Actually in reading your comments… you ARE EXPECTING perfect performances. You are contradicting yourself. I’m not saying that you’re evil, but you kind of sound like those fake executives that pretend to be nice… while driving a different message. Wait isn’t that how Alex attacked? Smiling and pretending to be friendly when he was rudely disrupting the show? Again I’m not saying that you’re an evil executive.
At this point Im simply going to assume you were gorged out of your mind because that is much easier to accept than believing a TYT fan simply adopted a CLUMP approach to life.
You ARE EXPECTING perfect performances, while stating that you’re not expecting perfect performances. You are contradicting yourself. You’re acting like people can’t scroll up to see your comment on August 24th stating exactly that, and your other comments that are holding TYT to absolute perfection.
Nope, I’m just a fan of justice and whomever that dispenses it. I see through the BS, and see things at 15/15 clarity. Since you didn’t counter with any facts or reason I will take your diversion from the discussion as defeat.
Definitely, no one needs to apologize for anything. TYT defended themselves. Stop tying TYT’s hands. Have you asked Alex to apologize for all his evil actions in that exchange?
I did not find any of Dave Rubin commentaries as analytical as any of the main or secondary TYT hosts. It was not a loss to TYT. You can tell who are the intellectual host are when they give their analysis. Hence, Dave has a high probability that he may not see things correctly.
You can tell Sam’s thoughts were leaning towards crazy towards the end of the interview. Like when Sam said something along the lines of we should nuke them before they strike. It also sounded like Sam was OK with innocent causalities. I’m going off my memory. The debaters seem fine somewhat at the begining of the debate, but whoever goes against Cenk in a debate tend to fall apart towards the end. It’s because those debaters have a few rehearsed talking points, then you really get to see their flawed thoughts at the end.
It’s an interesting point you bring up and we got a post game the very next day of me posting about the RNC incident (i’m not saying I had anything to do with it! haha). I’m not gonna get into the Sam Harris debate over a comments section cause i think it’s an incredibly complex one, I will say though that he said ‘in a situation where they have access to nuclear weapons’ but I’ll leave it at that.
I disagree with you about not needing to apologise though. After their PG on the RNC incident, I have more empathy about their situation, how they had been working 18 hour days, no security, feeling vulnerable and it’s only human nature to defend yourselves. However, I think Ben Manciewtz (don’t know if that’s right!) and John and the other guy were so calm, if they all were like that then AJ wouldn’t have got the reaction he wanted and would probably have left looking silly. Again though, I understand what you mean but again, for someone spitting in AJ’s face (whethere he deserves it or not) is a repulsive act of behaviour, Jimmy could have easily just tried to verbally defend them like everyone else was doing. Instead AJ and co come out looking so much better to the neutral who watches the incident from an objective perspective.
Another note, about asking AJ to apologise, I’m not one of his fans whom I appreciate there efforts, At the end of the day, I want TYT to be the better group so to clarify, I would want them to apologise about the spitting, or just Jimmy himself apologising, I kind of understand more about the other parts.
If I’m being totally honest, I wasn’t a member of TYT when Dave Rubin was still around, I’ve just seen his take of knowing Cenk and the TYT crew and his take about the Sam Harris debacle on Joe Rogan or his Dave Rubin youtube channel.
I don’t really care about the RNC incident. Cenk and Anna stuck up to for their crew on a drop of a dime. The AJ people were being a**holes, pretended they were the victims, had fake commenters in TYT videos to misconstrue TYT fans, and then lied a ton afterwards. That’s the tactic that evil people often use. I would think TYT fans are better than that to believe in those lies.
“I would think TYT fans are better than that to believe in those lies.”
It’s not about fans. Of course TYT fans know AJ and Co are more dedicated to dishonest living than all Trumps combined but you are forgetting about the time you did not know anything about TYT. The entire purpose of TYT is accurate information and fans are a natural afterthought. Concerns being expressed are about walking the living line and nothing more.
It is also cool to have the position of not caring about the RNC match, so long as you extend the same courtesy to other outlets and do not criticize their actions.
If another news outlet gets attacked by a passive aggressive coward, trying to be a jerk, who threw racial slurs, trying to provoke an incident, brought a mob that yelled FIRST, called the host a liar, trashed a news company’s LIVE show. I would accurately see the situation the same way. I definitely would not hold them back from defending themselves on a drop of a dime. Anyone with good perception would see it the same way.
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If I could do anything to bad people… I would make them “walk in the shoes” of the people they are hateful towards. If they hate poor people? I would make them poor, to the point they live on food stamps so they can understand the poor’s struggle. If they don’t think Black Lives Matter? I would turn them into an African American so they can understand why black lives matter. I can go on and on. The problem in the world is that people do not have the intellect to understand for the struggle of others without “walking in their shoes”.
This may be off timing and it is surely a fraction of an atom’s worth for contributions but have to lay out thoughts on the RNC shouting match. It was sad and frustrating to see Jones successfully bait TYT and what concerned me the most was the amount of fresh eyes who would reasonably draw some conclusions for all parties involved. Although I disagree with the absence of dissenters on the panels, you all do some of the best possible work for relating events to the viewers,
Then when I saw the video of Cenk and company trying to lay out their version it became more frustrating. I was just amazed you guys gave Jones EXACTLY what he wanted and here is why: an audience that does not know you and watched that exchange has no reason to think TYT is any different from Infowars…and yes it turned by stomach to type it. The post yelling explanation was almost as harmful as Jones himself because even though Jones was in the wrong and was clearly being an agitator, your response is a commentary only on TYT and think you guys should have simply said you regret participation in how it escalated and regardless of his actions, TYT did not respond in the productive and informed method it strives to produce.
Drawing on experience in similar situations the best response we employed was to simply quietly and calmly stand up, and turn our backs to them and not say a word. I mean nothing. It may look weird at first but with all the cameras rolling those actions demonstrate you know priorities rule over pride and you know shouting matches are just porn purges of missing dialogue.
I know you are all honest but again, if I did not know TYT and saw Cenk screaming at them about being dishonest I would question delivery because when you have the facts, everything else is a key of Montana powder waiting to waste you. I saw another outlet show some video and comments were laughably sad because the speaker tried to claim Jones rushed your stage in response to you criticizing the police.
The first time we tried that method is was weird. Like, first tongue kiss weird but we were encouraged by the response because the trolls had nothing to say. Nothing happened. Since we did not give them any material and knowing nothing can change facts, we moved on, got our message and found a way for trolls to self ban.
The adrenaline from the Saudi accusations would have steamed anyone but if you were going to give a verbal response it should have been a request for proof. By not asking anyone to rely on your word and putting the burden back on Jones he would have been faced with ugly choices. I know it is different when you are not there but it is also well known when groups communicate honestly and act selflessly, those are the people who change the world.
Thanks for all you do at TYT.
Great thoughts from (I hope) a TYTArmy brother in arms. I respect your opinion and mostly agree with it. But let me add another point of view. For most of my life, I have also been able to “brush the haters off” and stay above the fray. The few times I haven’t been able to maintain that level of calm is when men attacked a female friend. He who shall not be named turned on Ana and leveled a desperate blow, no question. That said, sometimes what is said or done must be met with equal force. Cenk could have easily been physical and ended that guys month. But he didn’t. He got mad for sure, but did not use all the weapons at his disposal. Compared to me, in that situation, he was a pacificst. Storm the set, keep touching me in an aggressive way, and it ends differently. That’s why Cenk is Cenk and I am not. I haven’t been in a real fight since I was in my early 20’s (I’m 40 this year). Attack me All. Day. Long. No response. But attack my (extended or earned) family… Hell will reign down. Sometimes, as unfortunate and out of character as it may be, it can’t be ignored. But I love you brother #StayStrong
This was similar to my first impression when Jones attacked Ana, Cenk went nuts because Ana is like his little sister, and Jones tried to attack her for defending innocent muslims & not engaging in bigotry on the second hour. Also remember that we couldn’t hear much of the sounds and insults being hurled at Cenk from behind the stage.
Obviously, I wouldn’t have acted like that, but that’s probably a terrible comparison to make since we all have different triggers. The better comparison is not weather you’d act like that in that identical situation, but how many times per 10 year period would you act like that vs. cenk. If it’s pretty similar, you’d realize then that both you and he is just human like the rest of us.
Think we pretty much have all the info and we know people like Jones will be at future events. Many people were not aware of the training people like Rosa Parks endured but it was that preparation that largely provided the success.
Thanks again.
Hey Brylar,
Your words are in quotes, my answers follow the quotes:
“Then when I saw the video of Cenk and company trying to lay out their version”
No you saw your version, in your reality. It’s not hard to see that Alex was a passive aggressive coward, trying to be a jerk, who threw racial slurs, tried to provoke an incident, brought a mob that yelled at TYT FIRST, called the host a liar, trashed a news company’s LIVE show. What version did you see?
“TYT did not respond in the productive and informed method it strives to produce.”
Non-sense. You’re expecting absolute perfection. Here you are contradicting your other statement that you DON’T expect perfect performances. The thing about people that complain about us perfectionists is that those complainers never come anywhere near our attempts at perfection.
“Drawing on experience in similar situations the best response we employed was to simply quietly and calmly stand up, and turn our backs to them and not say a word.”
Passiveness is why the evil are flourishing in this world. You’re passiveness rewards and also encourages bad people to continue to do bad things to good people. People need to stand up for themselves. Don’t tie the hands of the people who stand up for themselves and you.
“The adrenaline from the Saudi accusations would have steamed anyone but if you were going to give a verbal response it should have been a request for proof.”
You’re, expecting absolute perfection again. You need to stop contradicting yourself that you don’t expect perfect performances. So do you make perfect decisions in split seconds single every day? Even when you’ve been working long hours the whole week like they did at the RNC? Why are you holding TYT to an impossible standard? It’s easy to say this in hindsight when you’ve all the time in the world to think about it.
“Jones did tell people he was invited on the stage and while that is not technically true.”
Jones wasn’t formally invited to the stage. When Cenk realized that Jones was trying to trash the LIVE show. Cenk wanted him off the stage. What’s so hard to understand about that?
“Obviously I have no idea if TYT does any training on conduct prior”
Training on how a human should behave according to your belief? If you’re looking for a corporatist channel to program humans. You’re looking in the wrong place.
Your affinity for quote mining and changing statements is not helping.
You quoted me as saying:
“Jones did tell people he was invited on the stage and while that is not technically true.”
My actual sentence:
“Jones did tell people he was invited on the stage and while that is not technically true, once he was on stage Cenk did say “Welcome to the Young Turks.”
Im not going to expend any more energy on obvious nonsense but will highlight once again the problem is not simply what happened in the heat of the moment. The problem is not accepting responsibility and holding themselves accountable to the standards they set for themselves and not the standards I or anyone else invented.
Honestly have no idea if you had too much wine or hooza but hope you were not sober when you posted such a butchered response.
I see you’re resorting to lies and false statements, because you can’t win the moral argument.
You shouldn’t expend your energy rebutting, because you know you will continue to lose. You know that there are no answers that will hold up to my facts and reasoning. So you’re trying to play it off as if you have answers, but don’t want to say them. You can’t win arguments when you’re on the wrong side.
It doesn’t matter which way you lay out your quote. So why even bother to bring it up (other than your counter being the weakest counter I’ve ever seen)? My fact and question still stands unanswered and unchallenged. Jones wasn’t formally invited to the stage. When Cenk realized that Jones was trying to trash the LIVE show. Cenk wanted him off the stage. So really what’s so hard to understand about that? All other arguments are moot.
None of my other reason and logic has been answered or challenged either.
You said, “Honestly have no idea if you had too much wine or hooza but hope you were not sober when you posted such a butchered response”
That’s an admission of defeat, when you throw false pretense to defend yourself. You’re acting like people can’t scroll and read your comments. It is you who is butchering the RNC situation seeing what you want to see. I’m not sure if you got butchered, but you definitely got decimated. Call it the “People’s Elbow” boy. Or in Anna’s words and motions “What’ Now?!”
“I see you’re resorting to lies and false statements, because you can’t win the moral argument.”
I didnt read anything past that and thank you for making more false accusations your first statement to save myself some time.
Ignoring the other side is an admission of defeat. Next time don’t bring up a discussion or reply if you don’t have the mental capacity to back up your words.
When I skip over links referencing Jim Hoft, wnd, fox, jones, and coulter, etc it is not ignoring different views from lack of capital but rather the grain of sand necessary to know they have nothing to contribute and are more likely to be dishonest as your posting habits have proven. It is not only about honesty, but also education and forward motion. I seriously doubt many people take your posts with any level of sincerity but it may help in the future if you took a second to breathe and learn rather than pounce and choke.
Why? You actually condemned the suggestion of training for political interactions in public hot spots or protests and claimed it was:
“…looking for a corporatist channel to program humans.”
Your arrogance is a waste of time for everyone. Your claim proves you simply do not know how protests have been successful in the US. There are dozens of links and videos showing the intense training and one example focused on the lunch counters. They did not simply walk in off the street with your infinite wisdom and “make it happen.” They were trained at mock diners and as they sat there, during the training, they were called every name in the book, had food and drinks thrown on them and were constantly under physical threat.
It is not “corporatist” to train for success you freaking idiot.
Nah, you’re skipping over all of my replies because you know you can’t win. You’re answering at least one of them so I know that you have accepted defeat on my other replies. You’re probably answering it because you think this is the only reply you have any chance of winning. “Wrong again, Bob”.
My answer is still the same. Really? Training on how a human should behave according to your belief? If you’re looking for a corporatist channel to program humans. You’re looking in the wrong place. Your original words are “training on conduct”!! I’m sorry dictionary.com defines conduct as “personal behavior”. It is a corporatist who wants the corporations to train it’s employees to behave the exact same way as the corporations want’s. That is a corporatist. But now you’re desperately trying to switch the subject to corporations training for scenarios. Here you are expecting perfect performances from TYT again. And there you go contradicting yourself again about how you “DON’T expect perfect performances” from TYT. You’re easy to disprove. I just use your very own words against you. Because you’re the dishonest one. Lyar Brylar. Duh, winning!
I see you’re starting to resort to name calling now. Like using the word “idiot”. What happened to your preaching’s about holding your composure? See how you’re so fake holding TYT to extreme standards when you can’t do the same. Thanks for proving that you don’t practice what you preach. If you can’t practice what you preach then please don’t preach. Looks like you need to watch more of your lunch training videos, haha.
Thank you and it may seem pedantic while dismissing the human factor but this type of episode can do more damage than is realized and it was after I posted someone sent me the video of Jimmy spitting in Jone’s face. When I watched other videos I remember hearing Jones say someone spit in his face and I never thought anyone from TYT would do that so I arrogantly dismissed his claim. I have no idea if Cenk or Jimmy have given a reaction and it is largely none of my business, but working off Cenk’s long term goals, that is the type of video that undermines what he has dedicated his life upon.
Jones did tell people he was invited on the stage and while that is not technically true, once he was on stage Cenk did say “Welcome to the Young Turks.” From that point forward a stage invitation became moot. Jones is a master of manipulation because he knows how to present a narrative with edited video and the spitting is video evidence at best a question of character.
If someone had told me Jones and TYT were going to argue and Jones would be the one walking away with more dignity I would have laughed until their head fell off.
I dont know if Jimmy apologized but I do know Jimmy spent quite a few lines over the past few months condemning Trump supporters for acts like spitting on each other. What happens if TYT does a broadcast in 4 months covering the immature or embarrassing acts of others in politics? Without a video taking some kind of action on the spitting, it will come back to haunt.
Obviously I have no idea if TYT does any training on conduct prior to public events but it may be worth considering because that 2 seconds of spitting on video cost TYT respect whether or not anyone cares or knows about Jones. Im aware of the videos Jones posted post mini water park and he flat out lied about many aspects of what happened but all he has to do is replay the spitting and how he did not take any physical reaction but simply walked away.
Thank you for your time and consideration.
Brylar, you’ve pretty much nailed it. I had and still have lots of respect for TYT, especially Cenk with his work for WolfPAC, but the fact that no one apologised for there actions is truly embarrassing for the TYT network and their army of fans. It gave other opposing shows like Louder with Crowder and InfoWars the stage to come out as the better wing of politics and for that specific situation they did.
I know Ana mentioned how she regretted what she said to Alex Jones, and how she got very emotional (which I appreciated as a fan because she’s very honest with us) there was still no apology and further statement about how they don’t condone fat-shaming. It just shows how that was incredibly hypocritical seeing as just months before she was talking about how fat-shaming is truly disgusting and those who partake are awful human beings. I’m not even going to get into Jimmy’s idiotic part.
It’s also hypocritical for Cenk because countless times he’s told us that there’s no point shouting down people, simply provide them with facts and empirical evidence that are on your side and you will always come out on top. It’s this hypocrisy that brings us back to last year with Sam Harris and there manipulation and misleading of his point of view by editing parts of the Bill Maher show with Ben Affleck to show that Sam thinks all or most Muslims have a radicalised and dangerous ideology or thinking, without showing his methodical breaking up of the facts to come to a sensible conclusion. Yet Cenk did not apologise for that editing which makes me incredibly frustrated as a fan because how many times has he denounced mainstream media for there misleading of facts and evidence to make them seem better and there target seem less truthful. Yes him and Harris had a 3 hour debate which i thought was quite commendable and that maybe Cenk would apologise but there was a huge back-and-forth on some key issues that Sam seemed to be winning on but Cenk’s stubbornness came out on full show. Then they seemed to just forget about it and go back to normal.
This is what leads respectable political and social commentators and comedians like Joe Rogan to say on his podcast with Dave Rubin (and i’m para-phrasing) “After that Sam Harris debacle, I can’t trust what Cenk says any more at face-value.” And It doesn’t surprise me that Dave Rubin, whom I have massive respect for, left TYT.
I feel it may be too late but I’d like to hear a Post game where they spend a decent amount of time talking about there regret for it and how they don’t condone fat-shaming, screaming down others when it appears they just want a bit of political banter and how spitting at people is definitely the WRONG thing to do in any situation whatsoever.
I appeared to have waffled on for quite a while and have mentioned a lot of what Brylar has said but I have been waiting to address this for a long time and am finally glad to, I hope someone from TYT sees this and just mentions the grievances to others so they can get more of an idea for what we’re feeling as customers and fans of the biggest online news network in the world.
Thank you so much for providing an alternative news outlet which focusses on the real news.
Thank you for speaking up as well as nobody is expecting perfect performances but only accountability. For me the concern is not recognizing TYT is not the first news outlet grounded in the challenge of accurate info over all other matters. Once accountability becomes 2nd tier, accurate info is not far behind and the entire purpose of the organization becomes questionable.
Great points on the fat shaming and it must have been the sexist side of me to overlook it as an important issue.
Thanks again TYT.
Hey Brylar,
It’s an interesting point but I don’t quite get what you mean about accountability becoming 2nd tier.
It seems we got what we asked for; last night’s post game was about their role in the RNC. I liked the majority of that PG and didn’t realise how much it affected Ana but something that still irritated me was how Cenk shrugged off Jimmy’s massive role in that debacle. I know AJ and Co are asking for him to be fired, we’re not, well I’m not anyway. I’m just asking for him to recognise how unbelievably revolting and unthinkably stupid it was to spit a drink at someone and squirm away like a coward in the middle of an argument that he should be deescalating and not the opposite.
Cheers from London!
Sorry I missed this earlier and will have to watch the Post Game on the RNC in full later today. Accountability becoming second tier affects lower quality performances all around and once it takes hold it becomes easier to become sloppy on follow up. Rather than admit errors in information after a broadcast you simply pretend it didnt happen then move on to the next and as your audience changes due to performance you become enabled in the bias and before long the show has become exactly what it set out to fight against.
Cheers to you was well! (although no matter how many times us yanks say it we cannot get the accent quite right)
In your words, “nobody is expecting perfect performances”.
Actually in reading your comments… you ARE EXPECTING perfect performances. You are contradicting yourself. I’m not saying that you’re evil, but you kind of sound like those fake executives that pretend to be nice… while driving a different message. Wait isn’t that how Alex attacked? Smiling and pretending to be friendly when he was rudely disrupting the show? Again I’m not saying that you’re an evil executive.
At this point Im simply going to assume you were gorged out of your mind because that is much easier to accept than believing a TYT fan simply adopted a CLUMP approach to life.
Brylar,
You ARE EXPECTING perfect performances, while stating that you’re not expecting perfect performances. You are contradicting yourself. You’re acting like people can’t scroll up to see your comment on August 24th stating exactly that, and your other comments that are holding TYT to absolute perfection.
Nope, I’m just a fan of justice and whomever that dispenses it. I see through the BS, and see things at 15/15 clarity. Since you didn’t counter with any facts or reason I will take your diversion from the discussion as defeat.
Hey skaroulla,
Definitely, no one needs to apologize for anything. TYT defended themselves. Stop tying TYT’s hands. Have you asked Alex to apologize for all his evil actions in that exchange?
I did not find any of Dave Rubin commentaries as analytical as any of the main or secondary TYT hosts. It was not a loss to TYT. You can tell who are the intellectual host are when they give their analysis. Hence, Dave has a high probability that he may not see things correctly.
You can tell Sam’s thoughts were leaning towards crazy towards the end of the interview. Like when Sam said something along the lines of we should nuke them before they strike. It also sounded like Sam was OK with innocent causalities. I’m going off my memory. The debaters seem fine somewhat at the begining of the debate, but whoever goes against Cenk in a debate tend to fall apart towards the end. It’s because those debaters have a few rehearsed talking points, then you really get to see their flawed thoughts at the end.
Thank you for providing your input.
Hey Tron Wynn,
It’s an interesting point you bring up and we got a post game the very next day of me posting about the RNC incident (i’m not saying I had anything to do with it! haha). I’m not gonna get into the Sam Harris debate over a comments section cause i think it’s an incredibly complex one, I will say though that he said ‘in a situation where they have access to nuclear weapons’ but I’ll leave it at that.
I disagree with you about not needing to apologise though. After their PG on the RNC incident, I have more empathy about their situation, how they had been working 18 hour days, no security, feeling vulnerable and it’s only human nature to defend yourselves. However, I think Ben Manciewtz (don’t know if that’s right!) and John and the other guy were so calm, if they all were like that then AJ wouldn’t have got the reaction he wanted and would probably have left looking silly. Again though, I understand what you mean but again, for someone spitting in AJ’s face (whethere he deserves it or not) is a repulsive act of behaviour, Jimmy could have easily just tried to verbally defend them like everyone else was doing. Instead AJ and co come out looking so much better to the neutral who watches the incident from an objective perspective.
Another note, about asking AJ to apologise, I’m not one of his fans whom I appreciate there efforts, At the end of the day, I want TYT to be the better group so to clarify, I would want them to apologise about the spitting, or just Jimmy himself apologising, I kind of understand more about the other parts.
If I’m being totally honest, I wasn’t a member of TYT when Dave Rubin was still around, I’ve just seen his take of knowing Cenk and the TYT crew and his take about the Sam Harris debacle on Joe Rogan or his Dave Rubin youtube channel.
Thanks you for your input,
Skaroulla
I don’t really care about the RNC incident. Cenk and Anna stuck up to for their crew on a drop of a dime. The AJ people were being a**holes, pretended they were the victims, had fake commenters in TYT videos to misconstrue TYT fans, and then lied a ton afterwards. That’s the tactic that evil people often use. I would think TYT fans are better than that to believe in those lies.
“I would think TYT fans are better than that to believe in those lies.”
It’s not about fans. Of course TYT fans know AJ and Co are more dedicated to dishonest living than all Trumps combined but you are forgetting about the time you did not know anything about TYT. The entire purpose of TYT is accurate information and fans are a natural afterthought. Concerns being expressed are about walking the living line and nothing more.
It is also cool to have the position of not caring about the RNC match, so long as you extend the same courtesy to other outlets and do not criticize their actions.
If another news outlet gets attacked by a passive aggressive coward, trying to be a jerk, who threw racial slurs, trying to provoke an incident, brought a mob that yelled FIRST, called the host a liar, trashed a news company’s LIVE show. I would accurately see the situation the same way. I definitely would not hold them back from defending themselves on a drop of a dime. Anyone with good perception would see it the same way.
People cared when it was Martha Stewart. And Bernie Madoff.
pssssssst TYT support — low res video download link not working
Same here:
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