you guys need to relax about the Cenk generalizing thing. It’s way too obvious that he clearly doesn’t represent all men. that’s common sense. every generalization he says about men is the same shit that is profusely spread in society and in the media. In movies, shows, cartoons, and books. We all know it’s not as a whole what men are so just calm down. the whole number conversation is a complex issue that they probably shouldn’t have touched. that’s a personal preference that’s different for everyone.
By the way, after this Post Game it is pretty much mandatory that you guys get Hannah (with an “h” at the end, yes yes, I already had pressed the “submit” button on my last post before I noticed) on a show with Jimmy, Wes and Ben. ^^
Why did Hannah have such an “oh my god!” reaction to Cenk’s “I already fucked her!” after he said he wouldn’t give a fuck if a girl lied about her employment status?
I really appreciate the range of opinions on the panel here, but I take issue with Cenk claiming to represent all guys here, and more generally whenever he or other people use generalities to circumscribe the sexual characteristics of men or women in broad terms. To speak from personal experience, I do care about non-physical characteristics in a potential sexual partner. I think that this is a particular example of a larger phenomenon that afflicts all of us humans, where we conflate our own experience with that of a group we identify as part of. Again, I largely like the discussion here; I am a long time viewer and recent subscriber. Sometimes when male sexuality is discussed on TYT I just feel like there are a plethora of viewpoints that are ignored in favor of… I don’t know, expedience? Maybe it’s just that I’m a tiny minority on this, or maybe TYT just doesn’t always have someone there to provide a counter-example.
Cenk and Ana are both guilty of this. They constantly speak for all men or all women. I’m always annoyed by it although I’m sure part of it is as you say, for expedience sake.
So yeah…. at this point in my life anyone who has had sex with more than 100 different people is NOT someone I want to be with. Either male or female, that’s just gross as far as I’m concerned. I imagine all the unprotected sex that they have probably had and then I picture a dick about to fall off or a rotting vagina. I don’t want to sit on a toilet that 100 or more people have used before me and no one has bothered to clean. If I won’t even use a public toilet then why would I want to have a dick put in me that’s been in so many other vaginas? I don’t know what that dick has been exposed to. Why would I want to stick my tongue in a vagina that’s had so many different tongues before mine? I don’t know what’s been stuck up there in the past. It’s not about slut shaming, for either gender, it’s about the number of STDs they have probably been exposed to. If I knew that they had practiced safe sex at least the majority of the time, then I would be okay with having sex with them. But how can anyone know that for sure about another person? So when I ask someone about the number of their partners, lower is always better. Granted, I don’t want a 30 year old virgin, you gotta have some experience under your belt, but I would prefer that experience to be lots of times with a handful of partners, than with lots of different people.
Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute! Is Cenk saying it is OK to lie about your relationship status to get laid? So, like it’s cool if he tells some woman he isn’t married if he thinks that will help him sleep with her? I wish the women had gotten him to expound on that point.
Hannah was hilarious in her reaction to the old farts in Old School having so much sex!
I don’t think there is any reason to share your number. It seems fairly irrelevant to me. I’m more interested in a man who has had at least one long term relationship with a woman. When it comes to sex, a man in a relationship is invested in keeping a woman happy. Whereas for one night stands, he might not care whether she got any pleasure out of it. So having a bunch of one night stands for a guy isn’t impressive to me. It doesn’t disgust me either, I’m just not impressed by it. I’m actually more impressed when a woman does it since she does it in the face of slut shaming. I like that fuck you, I’m going to do what I want attitude.
To counter cenk, and I might be off here because I’m a wierd swedish liberal, but I couldn’t care less how many people a girl had sex with before she met me, in fact more would probably be better to me. So it definitely depends on the person and cenk doesn’t speak for all men here! :)
I said it yesterday and I’ll repeat it here, Hannah is painfully infantile and utterly fascist on this subject. She’s the Hitler Youth of sexual politics.
How does “You shouldn’t lie to pick someone up” = Hitler Youth / fascist? There is no reason for you to air your personal grievances with a host on the internet, it just makes you look like a scumbag. If you want to disagree with a argument that’s fine just be respectful.
I explained my perspective in full in a comment on yesterday’s postgame. I realise those are provocative terms but I mean them in a specific context. I couldn’t possibly have a personal grievance with someone I’ve never interacted with.
Ok, so is CENK seriously saying that ALL GUYS just want SEX, even if the guy appears to be all emotional, goes thru all this and that to get the girl back, is it STILL just for sex?? Cuz it seems like getting another girl wouldn’t be that hard, why would some guys go thru the whole “I am so in LOVE with you!” BS if it’s just BS?
Btw, my rule on lying: If it’s something completely subjective that should not at all affect how someone looks at you – TOTALLY fine. EX: If I say I’m 25 and I’m really 23, who cares! We’re still having a good time together. Your “number” is another perfect example. It should have nothing to do with whether you are getting along and having a good time. Do what you have to do.
I’m gonna tell you right now, if you wanna hear the uncensored truth as I represent it & as I’ve heard about it from other men, check out my response to hemeranox – not repeating here.
Hey!!! Okay let’s get real him’s, her’s, zir’s, and hir’s!
The discussed 250/avg. Sounds high, right? We’re missing the reality for these people: THAT’S HOW THEY TALK, LOL. LITERALLY IT’S: “Hey, nice to meet you. You look good – I look good. You’re confident. I’m confident. Let’s DANCE!” Sex is a main part of social relationship bonding for these folks. It’s part of their FIRST CONTACT PROTOCOL (LOL.)There’s nothing wrong with that! Sex can be described as seriously of a power struggle, it is culturally relative, and it is a game with (many) unspoken “rules.” Lies can be part of them, because THEIR game is a fast and ever changing/evolving one as we age. Where does that line get crossed? I think we had a great discussion from these two post-games about how different sexual orientations can see different crossing points.
I’m NOT in that camp, my number is the average and I am not ashamed of that in any regard. I have always felt that sex is the ultimate form of love that I can express with intimacy. The sexual satisfaction of my partner is INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT to me and specifically to my psychological well-being. Where the larger numbered folks have sex as more of just one part of their way to meet and understand someone, I (and people like me) prefer to have it as something that is reserved for ONLY my partner because it is what we feel is one of the most important ways to feel bonded. People like me are incompatible with polyamory because of this distinction. The higher number you have (and the higher value you put on that number,) the more open you are to polyamory in relationships. I tend to feel that when you are in MY camp, lies are obviously destructive to your sexual relationship and if there were any in the initial contact, they are generally obvious (over time) and become ironed out the longer the relationship goes on. I am in a relationship right now with my partner for going on over six years and there are very few things we keep from each other. When you’re in the casual, quick, other camp, lies are easier to tell because who’s going to find out when you’re probably not going to be in a relationship with whom you have sex with? The most you have to worry in that position is potential cross-talk between shared partners (and they DO worry about this, LOL.) Just for perspective: I am in my mid twenties, I identify as polysexual for my orientation, and I identify as androgyne for my gender. <3
I think at least one or two of them are lying, what are the odds that 3 out of 4 people on the panel are this way when normally it’s less then a few percent of men that can put away that many girls.
it was an epic episode back during the start, it had ben, cenk & jimmy on the left, in order jimmy, cenk, ben. i think it was everyones fav episode. start looking them up from the start & you’ll find it
Once again we measure and contrast things as if they are equal. The number isn’t of equal weight when it comes to men and women.
Let’s answer a simple question: Why do men respect men who have a huge number but dislike women who have similarly high numbers?
It isn’t as easy for men. Guys have to work to get laid, women don’t. It feels like a Sisyphean task and they want badges of honor for the distinction. I can’t believe nobody said this.
For a slightly more academic perspective:
As men and women, we have different objectives when it comes to sex. We want to leave our genetic legacy on the planet. That’s pretty the only evolutionary goal we have in common when we look for partners. From a sexual selection perspective, women like men who appear to be good providers of resources whilst men like women who look like they can survive and nurse their children healthily.
There is a selfish self-importance placed into us by evolution. It helps make sure we don’t utilize our resource-providing capabilities on the wrong woman or children.
It’s an asymmetrical problem, women always know their children are theirs whilst men don’t. Which may be why some women can’t understand why men make such a huge deal out of what looks like a comparatively small matter.
Think of the advantages the cuckoo bird gains when it leaves its eggs in another bird’s nest. We see this in other species as well. Lions will often eat the previous Alpha’s cubs when they come into control of their pride, so on and so forth.
This is the reason why men have tried to control women’s reproductive rights throughout the course of history. They need to be certain that the children they were leaving all their resources to we’re actually their own. I say this not to justify it, the practice is hideous and still goes on to this day, but only to help broaden our perspectives.
We’ve largely gotten over this in the modern age. However, hiccoughs do remain. One of these hiccoughs is the discussion about our numbers.
Putting sexually transmitted infections aside, when both men and women hear about the large numbers of other women a man has slept with, it’s almost a seal of approval. It’s an endorsement by 250 women saying: “He was good enough for me!”.
Sadly, the opposite isn’t held to be true.
When both men and women hear about the large number of other men a woman has slept with, it sounds much worse. Men hear: “You have a 1/251 chance of actually being the father.”.
It’s painfully obvious now as to which statement is an attractive one and which one sounds like an exercise in poor judgment.
In modern times, we understand the distinction between men and women but lack the vocabulary to discuss it. Our reaction is visceral and instinctive. Our response is inappropriate as it’s a problem which, largely, doesn’t exist anymore.
Controlling females reproductive rights is hideous, but making sure you know the number of a girl before marrying her, very important. Of course, I don’t want to know “the number” before sleeping with her, but I expect to know with certainty before marrying her or if I intend on marrying her down the track. If i never do marry her, I don’t need to know.
If she is (say) 21 and has more than 4-5, that’s a no-go. At 30, if she has more than 10, I wouldn’t marry her either. The less she has, the more attractive she is & it is one of the biggest factors in selecting someone you’d want to have children with. So getting them young before all the baggage is the best option, unfortunately.
I do have one exception, after the age of 40 I think she should be allowed to go nuts without judgement, I think it’s because deep down in the back of my mind I think to myself, well no one would want to have kids with someone over 40 anyway, so no issue! I know, sounds terrible. But I know girls have a greater appetite for sex then men do, so they should be able to go nuts after a certain age without judgement.
I think humans mainly have sex because it feels good. Procreation is just a side effect of sex. Not evolutionary speaking but in terms of human motivations.
Women the world over will be incredibly relieved that eaxx has given them permission to have as much sex as they want, but only once they are over 40, naturally.
Girls are programmed to seek certain traits in guys like confidence and success that most guys don’t have… and sure some men will complain about that, but we understand that it’s part of your genetic programming & largely accept it. So women need to accept that men are also genetically programmed to find promiscuous women unattractive. The less you’ve been with, the more valuable and attractive a girl is, the more she has been with, the less valuable & attractive she is. I know it’s hard to deal with, but that’s our genetic programming.
This is NOT TO SAY that women don’t hold value outside of that, of course they do. When I say “value” and “attractive” I’m referring only to long term relationships where you intend on marry her and/or having kids with her.
And I know slut shaming isn’t cool, but it’s something men do to remind women what & how they think. As nasty as this stuff may sound, this is all evolution. Evolution does not care about your or our feelings & emotions, it’s not built that way.
Is it possible for men to let women know what they find attractive and what they don’t without being insulting? If so, we should strive towards that, it would be a great idea. Are there factors we like/dislike in the opposite sex that we communicate without being insulting at all, or is (sometimes) being insulting part of our human nature? Having thought about that one enough yet, I’ll leave it to others.
we could accept that, OR, we could say that you don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about, because anyone who makes broad, mindless generalizations about “women be all like this and men be all like this” are wrong. The world is vastly more complex and interesting than such an absurd generalization.
The other option is that you’re a really hacky stand-up comic from the 1980s.
I’m not trying to explain the worlds knowledge on females or males. I’m just making a very specific point. Men have these preferences, it’s genetic and societal, ignoring them won’t help anyone. Of course, there is a way men can have these preferences without being insulting to women, and that is what we should strive for.
If a guy isn’t interested in waiting for a girl for at least a few months before having sex with her, I can tell you right now he has no interest in marrying her. If he did, he’d wait for her for many, many months (and even years).
The typical girl who sleeps with a rugby team and then expects what she considers to be a high quality guy (who has some self respect) to marry her is just kidding herself & in lala land. If you want to be respected by the guy you wanna marry, keep your legs crossed or settle with a low-quality guy or continue getting stuck into another rugby team for the rest of your life & forget about marriage & kids.
girls wanna know what guys think, and visa versa, i thought being honest would be helpful, and the reason i say people wouldn’t want to have kids after 40 is because it increases your risks of downs syndrome and other issues after a certain age. Didn’t mean it in a “not worth marrying” after 40 manner, I know it sounds terrible without the clarification, probably still does, but that’s reality from one guy anyway, and many guys i know think like this to some degree.
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Hannah had several of her worlds crushing that day.
you guys need to relax about the Cenk generalizing thing. It’s way too obvious that he clearly doesn’t represent all men. that’s common sense. every generalization he says about men is the same shit that is profusely spread in society and in the media. In movies, shows, cartoons, and books. We all know it’s not as a whole what men are so just calm down. the whole number conversation is a complex issue that they probably shouldn’t have touched. that’s a personal preference that’s different for everyone.
Hanna making all these incredibly cute and/or incredulous faces transform this postgame from great to fantastic. ;)
By the way, after this Post Game it is pretty much mandatory that you guys get Hannah (with an “h” at the end, yes yes, I already had pressed the “submit” button on my last post before I noticed) on a show with Jimmy, Wes and Ben. ^^
For the record, Cenk generalizes a lot about guys, in regards to their motivations while dating.
Why did Hannah have such an “oh my god!” reaction to Cenk’s “I already fucked her!” after he said he wouldn’t give a fuck if a girl lied about her employment status?
I really appreciate the range of opinions on the panel here, but I take issue with Cenk claiming to represent all guys here, and more generally whenever he or other people use generalities to circumscribe the sexual characteristics of men or women in broad terms. To speak from personal experience, I do care about non-physical characteristics in a potential sexual partner. I think that this is a particular example of a larger phenomenon that afflicts all of us humans, where we conflate our own experience with that of a group we identify as part of. Again, I largely like the discussion here; I am a long time viewer and recent subscriber. Sometimes when male sexuality is discussed on TYT I just feel like there are a plethora of viewpoints that are ignored in favor of… I don’t know, expedience? Maybe it’s just that I’m a tiny minority on this, or maybe TYT just doesn’t always have someone there to provide a counter-example.
Cenk and Ana are both guilty of this. They constantly speak for all men or all women. I’m always annoyed by it although I’m sure part of it is as you say, for expedience sake.
Lesson here, it’s okay for women to unfairly judge others and never be held to the same standards because feminism.
Cenk stop torturing Hannah. Her poor virgin ears. lol
Wes and Hannah need to get on the same post game to talk about this! That alone would be worth my membership subscription…
Yeah, that would be an interesting conversation!
So yeah…. at this point in my life anyone who has had sex with more than 100 different people is NOT someone I want to be with. Either male or female, that’s just gross as far as I’m concerned. I imagine all the unprotected sex that they have probably had and then I picture a dick about to fall off or a rotting vagina. I don’t want to sit on a toilet that 100 or more people have used before me and no one has bothered to clean. If I won’t even use a public toilet then why would I want to have a dick put in me that’s been in so many other vaginas? I don’t know what that dick has been exposed to. Why would I want to stick my tongue in a vagina that’s had so many different tongues before mine? I don’t know what’s been stuck up there in the past. It’s not about slut shaming, for either gender, it’s about the number of STDs they have probably been exposed to. If I knew that they had practiced safe sex at least the majority of the time, then I would be okay with having sex with them. But how can anyone know that for sure about another person? So when I ask someone about the number of their partners, lower is always better. Granted, I don’t want a 30 year old virgin, you gotta have some experience under your belt, but I would prefer that experience to be lots of times with a handful of partners, than with lots of different people.
You’re boring as fuck.
Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute! Is Cenk saying it is OK to lie about your relationship status to get laid? So, like it’s cool if he tells some woman he isn’t married if he thinks that will help him sleep with her? I wish the women had gotten him to expound on that point.
Hannah was hilarious in her reaction to the old farts in Old School having so much sex!
I don’t think there is any reason to share your number. It seems fairly irrelevant to me. I’m more interested in a man who has had at least one long term relationship with a woman. When it comes to sex, a man in a relationship is invested in keeping a woman happy. Whereas for one night stands, he might not care whether she got any pleasure out of it. So having a bunch of one night stands for a guy isn’t impressive to me. It doesn’t disgust me either, I’m just not impressed by it. I’m actually more impressed when a woman does it since she does it in the face of slut shaming. I like that fuck you, I’m going to do what I want attitude.
/sigh :\
To counter cenk, and I might be off here because I’m a wierd swedish liberal, but I couldn’t care less how many people a girl had sex with before she met me, in fact more would probably be better to me. So it definitely depends on the person and cenk doesn’t speak for all men here! :)
That last point is the most important, I think: Cenk doesn’t speak for all men here.
I said it yesterday and I’ll repeat it here, Hannah is painfully infantile and utterly fascist on this subject. She’s the Hitler Youth of sexual politics.
How does “You shouldn’t lie to pick someone up” = Hitler Youth / fascist? There is no reason for you to air your personal grievances with a host on the internet, it just makes you look like a scumbag. If you want to disagree with a argument that’s fine just be respectful.
I explained my perspective in full in a comment on yesterday’s postgame. I realise those are provocative terms but I mean them in a specific context. I couldn’t possibly have a personal grievance with someone I’ve never interacted with.
Ok, so is CENK seriously saying that ALL GUYS just want SEX, even if the guy appears to be all emotional, goes thru all this and that to get the girl back, is it STILL just for sex?? Cuz it seems like getting another girl wouldn’t be that hard, why would some guys go thru the whole “I am so in LOVE with you!” BS if it’s just BS?
it starts off as just being for sex, but then it’s possible they fall for the girl and it becomes more than just sex
Hannah looks really grown up for a 10 year old.
Hahaha Hannah’s facial expressions are hilarious!
Btw, my rule on lying: If it’s something completely subjective that should not at all affect how someone looks at you – TOTALLY fine. EX: If I say I’m 25 and I’m really 23, who cares! We’re still having a good time together. Your “number” is another perfect example. It should have nothing to do with whether you are getting along and having a good time. Do what you have to do.
We need realistic sex robots. Get that dickhead CEO on it.
I’m gonna tell you right now, if you wanna hear the uncensored truth as I represent it & as I’ve heard about it from other men, check out my response to hemeranox – not repeating here.
Hey!!! Okay let’s get real him’s, her’s, zir’s, and hir’s!
The discussed 250/avg. Sounds high, right? We’re missing the reality for these people: THAT’S HOW THEY TALK, LOL. LITERALLY IT’S: “Hey, nice to meet you. You look good – I look good. You’re confident. I’m confident. Let’s DANCE!” Sex is a main part of social relationship bonding for these folks. It’s part of their FIRST CONTACT PROTOCOL (LOL.)There’s nothing wrong with that! Sex can be described as seriously of a power struggle, it is culturally relative, and it is a game with (many) unspoken “rules.” Lies can be part of them, because THEIR game is a fast and ever changing/evolving one as we age. Where does that line get crossed? I think we had a great discussion from these two post-games about how different sexual orientations can see different crossing points.
I’m NOT in that camp, my number is the average and I am not ashamed of that in any regard. I have always felt that sex is the ultimate form of love that I can express with intimacy. The sexual satisfaction of my partner is INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT to me and specifically to my psychological well-being. Where the larger numbered folks have sex as more of just one part of their way to meet and understand someone, I (and people like me) prefer to have it as something that is reserved for ONLY my partner because it is what we feel is one of the most important ways to feel bonded. People like me are incompatible with polyamory because of this distinction. The higher number you have (and the higher value you put on that number,) the more open you are to polyamory in relationships. I tend to feel that when you are in MY camp, lies are obviously destructive to your sexual relationship and if there were any in the initial contact, they are generally obvious (over time) and become ironed out the longer the relationship goes on. I am in a relationship right now with my partner for going on over six years and there are very few things we keep from each other. When you’re in the casual, quick, other camp, lies are easier to tell because who’s going to find out when you’re probably not going to be in a relationship with whom you have sex with? The most you have to worry in that position is potential cross-talk between shared partners (and they DO worry about this, LOL.) Just for perspective: I am in my mid twenties, I identify as polysexual for my orientation, and I identify as androgyne for my gender. <3
I think at least one or two of them are lying, what are the odds that 3 out of 4 people on the panel are this way when normally it’s less then a few percent of men that can put away that many girls.
although, both ben & wes have celebrity parents so ben is a celeb, so that is a counter to my previous point.
Hannah is just precious in her naivety and i wish i could go back to being that Jaded to the world LOL.
Wow Hannah seemed completely surprised by everything this episode. A bit naive about peoples intentions.
what is the date of old school that they talked about
it was an epic episode back during the start, it had ben, cenk & jimmy on the left, in order jimmy, cenk, ben. i think it was everyones fav episode. start looking them up from the start & you’ll find it
thanks
TYT Old School Dec 17, 2014
thank you too
Another EPIC post-game.
Hannah once again shows her naiveté about the dance we do and when we talk about our numbers.
Once again we measure and contrast things as if they are equal. The number isn’t of equal weight when it comes to men and women.
Let’s answer a simple question: Why do men respect men who have a huge number but dislike women who have similarly high numbers?
It isn’t as easy for men. Guys have to work to get laid, women don’t. It feels like a Sisyphean task and they want badges of honor for the distinction. I can’t believe nobody said this.
For a slightly more academic perspective:
As men and women, we have different objectives when it comes to sex. We want to leave our genetic legacy on the planet. That’s pretty the only evolutionary goal we have in common when we look for partners. From a sexual selection perspective, women like men who appear to be good providers of resources whilst men like women who look like they can survive and nurse their children healthily.
There is a selfish self-importance placed into us by evolution. It helps make sure we don’t utilize our resource-providing capabilities on the wrong woman or children.
It’s an asymmetrical problem, women always know their children are theirs whilst men don’t. Which may be why some women can’t understand why men make such a huge deal out of what looks like a comparatively small matter.
Think of the advantages the cuckoo bird gains when it leaves its eggs in another bird’s nest. We see this in other species as well. Lions will often eat the previous Alpha’s cubs when they come into control of their pride, so on and so forth.
This is the reason why men have tried to control women’s reproductive rights throughout the course of history. They need to be certain that the children they were leaving all their resources to we’re actually their own. I say this not to justify it, the practice is hideous and still goes on to this day, but only to help broaden our perspectives.
We’ve largely gotten over this in the modern age. However, hiccoughs do remain. One of these hiccoughs is the discussion about our numbers.
Putting sexually transmitted infections aside, when both men and women hear about the large numbers of other women a man has slept with, it’s almost a seal of approval. It’s an endorsement by 250 women saying: “He was good enough for me!”.
Sadly, the opposite isn’t held to be true.
When both men and women hear about the large number of other men a woman has slept with, it sounds much worse. Men hear: “You have a 1/251 chance of actually being the father.”.
It’s painfully obvious now as to which statement is an attractive one and which one sounds like an exercise in poor judgment.
In modern times, we understand the distinction between men and women but lack the vocabulary to discuss it. Our reaction is visceral and instinctive. Our response is inappropriate as it’s a problem which, largely, doesn’t exist anymore.
Controlling females reproductive rights is hideous, but making sure you know the number of a girl before marrying her, very important. Of course, I don’t want to know “the number” before sleeping with her, but I expect to know with certainty before marrying her or if I intend on marrying her down the track. If i never do marry her, I don’t need to know.
If she is (say) 21 and has more than 4-5, that’s a no-go. At 30, if she has more than 10, I wouldn’t marry her either. The less she has, the more attractive she is & it is one of the biggest factors in selecting someone you’d want to have children with. So getting them young before all the baggage is the best option, unfortunately.
I do have one exception, after the age of 40 I think she should be allowed to go nuts without judgement, I think it’s because deep down in the back of my mind I think to myself, well no one would want to have kids with someone over 40 anyway, so no issue! I know, sounds terrible. But I know girls have a greater appetite for sex then men do, so they should be able to go nuts after a certain age without judgement.
I think humans mainly have sex because it feels good. Procreation is just a side effect of sex. Not evolutionary speaking but in terms of human motivations.
Sorry, that was meant to be a reply to hemeranox.
Women the world over will be incredibly relieved that eaxx has given them permission to have as much sex as they want, but only once they are over 40, naturally.
I’ve never had such peace of mind.
Girls are programmed to seek certain traits in guys like confidence and success that most guys don’t have… and sure some men will complain about that, but we understand that it’s part of your genetic programming & largely accept it. So women need to accept that men are also genetically programmed to find promiscuous women unattractive. The less you’ve been with, the more valuable and attractive a girl is, the more she has been with, the less valuable & attractive she is. I know it’s hard to deal with, but that’s our genetic programming.
This is NOT TO SAY that women don’t hold value outside of that, of course they do. When I say “value” and “attractive” I’m referring only to long term relationships where you intend on marry her and/or having kids with her.
And I know slut shaming isn’t cool, but it’s something men do to remind women what & how they think. As nasty as this stuff may sound, this is all evolution. Evolution does not care about your or our feelings & emotions, it’s not built that way.
Is it possible for men to let women know what they find attractive and what they don’t without being insulting? If so, we should strive towards that, it would be a great idea. Are there factors we like/dislike in the opposite sex that we communicate without being insulting at all, or is (sometimes) being insulting part of our human nature? Having thought about that one enough yet, I’ll leave it to others.
we could accept that, OR, we could say that you don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about, because anyone who makes broad, mindless generalizations about “women be all like this and men be all like this” are wrong. The world is vastly more complex and interesting than such an absurd generalization.
The other option is that you’re a really hacky stand-up comic from the 1980s.
I’m not trying to explain the worlds knowledge on females or males. I’m just making a very specific point. Men have these preferences, it’s genetic and societal, ignoring them won’t help anyone. Of course, there is a way men can have these preferences without being insulting to women, and that is what we should strive for.
If a guy isn’t interested in waiting for a girl for at least a few months before having sex with her, I can tell you right now he has no interest in marrying her. If he did, he’d wait for her for many, many months (and even years).
The typical girl who sleeps with a rugby team and then expects what she considers to be a high quality guy (who has some self respect) to marry her is just kidding herself & in lala land. If you want to be respected by the guy you wanna marry, keep your legs crossed or settle with a low-quality guy or continue getting stuck into another rugby team for the rest of your life & forget about marriage & kids.
girls wanna know what guys think, and visa versa, i thought being honest would be helpful, and the reason i say people wouldn’t want to have kids after 40 is because it increases your risks of downs syndrome and other issues after a certain age. Didn’t mean it in a “not worth marrying” after 40 manner, I know it sounds terrible without the clarification, probably still does, but that’s reality from one guy anyway, and many guys i know think like this to some degree.
???? was thinking the same thing