Cenk talks about the best picture ever taken of him, where he was in a golden suit. He says the best advice he has for young guys is to stop trying so hard, because people always attracted to what they can’t have. Francis says part of his strategy to get girls was lying to them to appear more attractive. Jayar talks about a comedian who said women wear all the time when they wear make up, heels, etc. Hannah says women “lie” about their appearance to meet the expectations society has created for them.
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the funny thing is they are all right in a sense. the issue is that every man is not the same as the next man and every woman isn’t the same and the next woman. just because man A and B do something doesn’t mean man C will. I would have thought this to be obvious. It’d a shame that we jump to generalize everything in a society that dying for individuality. Women do lie about their appearance and men do lie about their profession but it’s not rational to say they all do. this was a fun conversation. Jayar jumped in at the right time and it was hysterical.
I completely agree with jas
Just saw a couple of comments on here that I didn’t like, so I thought I share a couple thoughts. I only recently heard about TYT and joined, but so far it seems like the people on the show are reasonable people who speak from a place of kindness and who promote liberal inclusive attitudes that help all of us feel more accepted and empowered. So when I start hearing some nastiness creep in, I want to speak up about it. When I say nastiness, I’m mostly talking about some of the comments on here about Hannah, but as I’m about explain it’s a problem in general with this subject. This video had some fun interactions, but whenever conversations get into dating it gets uncomfortable fast. I know that it’s entertaining to talk about sex and dating. There are endless articles written on subjects in these general categories, not to mention all of the tv shows that focus on them. There is a huge amount frustration, bitterness, and hostility deeply ingrained in our pop dating culture and humor. No one wants every conversation to be dead serious and clinical in their treatment of topics, but too often for the sake of entertainment the disturbing attitudes that are in the subtext of these conversation go unchallenged and get further accepted as normal. Advice on sex and dating is often given in language so broad, generalized, oversimplified and unhelpful that it loses all value. If you find yourself starting a sentence with “Men [think][do][say]” etc. or “Women [think][do][say]” you’re probably already started down the wrong road. There is no ‘Men’ and there is no ‘Women.’ LIke these are singular entities that we can speak to. Look at that college kid TYT talked about who posted his letter to ‘Women’ on the dorm board. Kids like that are created by a culture that talks in terms of ‘Women’ and ‘Men.’ I think everyone will find that as soon as they stop making these pseudo-theories about all men and all women they’ll immediately feel less angry. TYT seems to pride itself on giving accurate political news that’s not based on ‘the gut.’ That makes TYT political advice much more valuable and less cluttered with useless gut theories that only lead to confusion and a distorted sense of reality. I enjoyed the banter in this video, but please notice that as soon as you brought out the ‘we as guys’ conversation points, you got people on your comments page spouting ignorant angry statements like:
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Cenk is 100% correct. Hannah is like every woman I’ve met.. naive when it comes to me men and our intentions. Biology is what it is.
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“KEEPIN IT REAL” COMMENTS – SERIES s01e01:
Hannah is having multiple shocks thinking back to all the guy’s she’s fucked who told her they were celebrities from other countries… LMFAO!
must ad, i think it’s important to understand the differences between men and women, instead of ignoring these assessments in order to understand why men & women act in the ways they do. because without this understanding, actions of men and women can be interpreted in a broad range of inaccurate ways. But once we realize that men & women are built this way and that way, we have no option but to accept these oddities as part and parcel of who they are as we remove the inaccurate interpretations which were just generalizations and wrong.
having said this, we got this far without having these additional layers of understanding, so either you figured it out or you didn’t. it will change our evolutionary path, for better or worst, just like everything else does. also, some people might not want the opposite sex knowing intricate details of how the other sex thinks and works. I personally believe transparency is the best option, it will lead to least judgement on both sides when we accept this & that being a normal part of who we are as opposed to a character flaw or oddity.
Hannah, hunny, I love you, but women are not some higher species compared to men. We may, in general, have a bit more depth, but we are not more highly evolved. We want sex, intimacy and, of course, to reproduce on pretty much the same level as men, because that is the biological imperative for all social animals. Certainly, individuals, and even societies, can rise above our biological urges, but they don’t just stop. Biology doesn’t work that way.
Pretty much everyone lies, either directly or indirectly, in the dating game.
Men lie about their jobs, their income, their prowess, their power, etc. They do that because, in general, women are drawn to men who are successful and strong. There is a biological reason for that, it’s about their offspring and even themselves being provided for and protected. Granted, this biological drive is from our past when males needed to be the providers for and protectors of the females and the children. Human society has fairly recently reached a point where women, in general, don’t need men to be providers and protectors like we used to. However, that doesn’t change our biology, so most women are still attracted to successful and powerful men.
Women lie more about their appearance than anything else, but they lie as much as men do. They do so by wearing makeup and heels, by dying their hair or getting extensions, by getting plastic surgery or using other devices to make their bodies more appealing, etc. That’s because of biology, once again. Men are, in general, attracted to how a woman looks, first and foremost. It’s part of their biology and it’s not going to change, so women will continue to do things to make ourselves more appealing to potential mates.
Do I think it should be that way? No, I think honesty is the most important quality for anyone to have, especially in relationships. Do I think it will change? No, because it’s all about our biology. We can want an ideal society, but humans are just less hairy, slightly smarter apes and, like all animals, we are minions to our biology.
Cenk is 100% correct. Hannah is like every woman I’ve met.. naive when it comes to me men and our intentions. Biology is what it is.
“KEEPIN IT REAL” COMMENTS – SERIES s01e01:
Hannah is having multiple shocks thinking back to all the guy’s she’s fucked who told her they were celebrities from other countries… LMFAO!
I’m with Hannah on this one… just don’t lie. Don’t waste my time. At the same time, I get that there are many people out there who don’t mind the thrill of playing these types of games. As long as these people don’t try to mix with the non-lying people, then we should be okay.
Although, I do agree with Cenk’s point that if you’re sleeping with a guy because he’s giving you the impression he’s rich, and you wouldn’t haven’t otherwise slept with him if he wasn’t rich, well then you did that to yourself. Sad day for you. “Am I not reasonable?!”
I gotta admit I enjoyed watching Hannah squirm during that conversation. She took it a bit too seriously.
Attractive girls who don’t realize all guys have ulterior motives drive me crazy. One of my ex girlfriends is hot as hell, and she’d always be like “oh I met this guy today, he was sooo nice to me! Not flirting, just a really good guy”. Like yeah, no shit? He was offering his penis to you by being extra nice. Hell, that’s how I somehow miraculously managed to hook up with her.
I’ve had this problem with girls all the time, either they are really naive or they act it, all these non-gay men hanging around them and she doesn’t realize they are trying to get in her pants by playing the “i’ll be her friend/play the waiting game” routine – which is an unfortunate routine if you ask me. You’re better off just coming out and hitting her up, if you’re not scared of rejection.
Would her constantly reacting in that way imply she’s insecure about the way she looks? If she feels the need to talk about it frequently, isn’t that an indication her appearance and acceptance is always on her mind. Does Angelina Jolie tell Brad Pitt about all the times “nice guys” want to talk to her? Probably not, because she’s confident and secure about who she is. Jolie knows she’s hot, but she also knows that there’s more to her identity and more to her sense of worthiness than her appearance. There are a million zillion hot girls out there, what distinguishes one from another other than how geographically far from each other unless they contribute more to the world.
More men would tell the truth about their jobs if it didn’t affect their chances of getting laid, and women would wear less makeup and ect, less often if it didn’t affect their chances of getting laid. And I say chance because going out isn’t always about going home with someone, sometimes you just want the possibility, sometimes we all just really need positive reinforcement, compliments, smiles, looks. It sucks in general that everyone is so shallow, guys are shallow with looks, girls are shallow with power. What has happened to everyone is someone they once were interested in didn’t want them because of X, which leads you to try to change x, or fake it until you do change x (or just eternally rage against x). Evolution worked, were not going to change it overnight. More than that we are all need to realize that humans act differently in large groups. Mob mentality, or pack mentality, mixed with alcohol and expectations, leads bars to be primal hunting grounds for both sexes. If you don’t like this simple fact about humans, try meeting people in everyday life instead of mob like gatherings at parties, bars and shows.
That was actually a really entertaining PG. But you guys forgot the Hillbilly accent and the Canadian accent eh.
Much love from Canada!!!
Good point, the whole panel should say soorri!
Is hannah serious? 1st off women def. lie more than men. 2nd I’m sorry but most attractive females are usually very ignorant to the real world because they only see the good sides of people because every man wants to smash and every female is jealous. Hannah is a case in point.
Are you? Attractive women definitely don’t see only the good sides of people. If an attractive woman leaves her house, it’s open season for harassment. She will be the target of every perv on the street, in every public place and every sexual harasser at work. Every aggressive and hostile asshole to every “nice guy” will tell her exactly what they think of her or expect that she give them some sort of attention. Maybe it’s you who is ignorant of other people’s experiences.
Not maybe. Definitely. Every guy who gives this tired speech about the poor “nice guy” is not a nice fucking guy. Every guy who whines about this is a fucking asshole who feels entitled to women because he did the bare minimum we require of human beings, You’re not a “nice guy”. You’re barely qualifying for the basics of adulthood. you don’t get a medal for that, and you certainly are not entitled to whatever women you don’t treat like shit.
Can we get rid of this hanna bitch. Every fucking conversation she brings up her feminist talking points. GO FUCK OFF BITCH
Wrong again, bitherobd. Hanna had great points here (and I’m a dude). This “mating dance of life” bullshit is some weak sauce.
The perspective on lying to women gives away the LA mindset of the commentators to a certain extent. In New Orleans, you’d get more women by being an unemployed artist and having a hipster rat tail.
Actually, they both made weak points.
– The “mating dance of life” that Cenk pulled was indeed weak sauce, just an excuse for being an insecure little shit that only feels confident enough to talk to a woman if he’s role-playing some fictional persona that he feels is “good enough”. It’s not “in our DNA”, it’s a pathetic flaw that many succumb to in modern-day society.
– Hannah’s insistence on being honest-to-god truthful at all times is similarly bullshit. She needs to feel morally superior to guys who approach her, so she builds up this little narrative in which we’re not actually looking to get laid, we’re looking for a long-term relationship, which mustn’t be founded on lies… get the fuck out of here! Maybe try not treating potential partners as if you were conducting a business interview, see if that puts people at ease. You don’t *need to know* what line of work a guy’s in before deciding whether or not to bestow upon him the high honor of plowing your orifice of choice for the night.
Hmmm, I wonder why feminism is necessary?
I have to say that I found this whole conversation obnoxious. The men on the panel were suggesting that women use their clothing to deceive men. But that’s the issue and the double standard that women constantly experience. Either you’re frumpy and unattractive because you refuse to participate by wearing makeup, high heels, etc. (at significant monetary cost) or you are lying about your body and appearance with these ‘feminine’ trappings. There’s no way to win. It’s just another series of social structures that attempt to disenfranchise and delegitimize women. And this bullshit about how men’s brains tell them to lie to women to get laid and that’s not their fault is literally one step away from, “Well my brain was telling me to fuck her and even though she said no, my brain said to anyway and what was I to do? She was asking for it wearing that dress.”
I don’t think that the men on this panel would ever be violent towards women, nor do I think they realize the implications of their statements, but they were waving their male privilege banner like you cannot believe in this video.
Cenk is almost always obnoxious on this topic, dealing exclusively in stereotypes. All guys are dumb sex-obsessed bros, all girls are prudish materialistic bitches, etc. FFS, he’s even prescribing accents that work and don’t work for hook-up purposes! Based on his broad experience of approaching women with a Swedish accent on?
In the next PG, he talks to Hannah and Grace about his sexual conquests, asking them which number of previous partners they’d find attractive in a potential mate, then saying he’s had 29 women and Jimmy Dore’s had 250 or something. You saaad old man, YOU’RE TWICE THEIR AGE! It’s a meaningless statistic! They’re thinking “how many notches should a 25-year old have”, they come up with 30, and then you drop on them the number of notches your 46-year-old fat ass has proudly accrued!
Also, David Beckham’s stunt double doesn’t have to sound “British”. Girls who fell for that shit, pulled by Beanpole Francis of all people, are dumb as bricks.
It also fails to take in the fact that men do the same thing. They wear clothes that make them look good. They do their hair up. Maybe the get manicures and have a facial routine. They change their facial hair to a way they think will attract women. They cover up their flaws and accent their positives. Just like women do. Putting your best face forward isn’t lying. If you wear a completely different face, or body, that would be deceptive but still not really a lie.
You can disagree with the opinions of the hosts but, for the love of god, have some respect!
https://www.quora.com/Whats-the-average-number-of-lies-humans-speak-per-day
Bloopä blöp blåp. Thanks for a really fun PG from Sweden!
LOL
Ah, blööpli huursken flugen ja?
As a Swede I must say it’s nice to hear from Cenk I’m not wrong for cringing whenever I hear swedes speak English with a thick Swedish accent. It’s like nails on a chalk board. Or should I say, itts lajk näjls ånn a shaakbåård.
Also, produktmomentkorrelationskoefficient is an actual word. Damn Germanic languages…
I’m sick of women lying about what they want. They say they want nice guys who make them laugh and then they fuck assholes who make them cry. To be clear I’m NOT saying I judge them for wanting what they want, they can’t change that any more than I can change what I want. I’m judging them because they lie about it. It’s the weirdest thing all different types of girls, all different types of personalities from different backgrounds living different lives and yet every single one I’ve ever met or seen on tv/online lie about this. I’ve known girls for years, been great friends with them would trust them with my life and vice versa and even they WILL. NOT. tell the truth about this. It’s like they all got together and did a blood oath or something.
Women want confidence. FULL. STOP. Much like us guys will overlook a lot of flaws for a girl who’s super hot women will overlook a lot of flaws for a guy with confidence. Donald Trump has had what 3 wives? Adolf Hitler, had a wife, Stalin had a wife, Marco Rubio has a hot wife, and so on. If what women say is true none of these guys could get laid let alone get married, but it’s not. So Hannah you want us to stop lying? Tell all your girlfriends to stop lying about what they want. If you’re a lonely guy reading this and you don’t have confidence you’d better find a way to get some because literally nothing else matters. If you take nothing else away from what I’ve written TAKE THAT.
ok. Lots of times one of my girl friends will be like, “Oh, why can’t I find someone nice who really loves me,” blah blah blah. And a few years ago, I realized that all of my friends that have done that…I wouldn’t date them. They’re not great girls. Not every woman is amazing. Lots of women are lazy, inconsiderate, judging, and shallow. Lots of guys are like that, too. I dated an asshole for a while, but that’s because I didn’t know who I was yet and I was 19 years old and had never had a boyfriend. As soon as I gained some confidence in myself and invested time in my talents and ambitions, I realized that my time was too valuable to waste on people that didn’t value it. Maybe some people are diamond’s in the rough that don’t know they can do better, but I think plenty of people also end up with people that reflect another ugly part of themselves but in a different way.
Anyway, yeah, I’m sure money gets you hot girls…that care about money. I got my awesome/ sexy/funny husband because I’m awesome/sexy/funny right back.
Do women lie about finding confidence attractive, though? Usually that’s the first characteristic women list in what they look for in guy (the second usually being a sense of humour).
“Marco Rubio has a hot wife”, but come on dude, have you seen his ears? Majestic.
hilarious postgame! Really brightened up my morning before work!
sad but true i have been upset with this reality for years and years now and i am 28
yuck
Everyone presents a lie to society. We develop a character we think the people in society will find most appealing and present it. Hannah’s attempt at moralising on this is empty and dishonest. To make a truly moral case to present oneself with absolute honesty is possible, but requires a more complex argument. I say that although it is a terrifying prospect which may lead to widespread rejection, presenting your true self to the world will lead you to find a person who will truly understand and want you. That requires courage and a will to overwhelm our impulse to seek out the best genetic partner. Hannah speaking from a position of an educated, attractive, young women is really being fascistic in her arguments here. She has all the natural advantages and is disgusted that her genetic inferiors dare to try and manufacture some of her advantages. It is also moral nonsense to suggest someone faking being a hockey player is less moral than someone fucking a person because they’re a hockey player. I don’t blame Hannah for her immoral perspective, she’s imprisoned in her privileged bubble and the inexperience of youth.
I’m younger than she is and I’m on your side buddy. Don’t blame her youth for her stupid comments. There are plenty of smart and educated young individuals who don’t need decades of experience to understand the very astute and correct points you’re making. Youth and stupidity shouldn’t be lumped together.
I don’t mean to suggest youth is a barrier to knowledge and understanding of all subjects and abstract ideas. Although I do believe there is a bias toward simplicity in young minds, purely because experience is useful in boiling down concepts and reconstituting them in a way which more allows for the complexity of human life. In this particular case I only pointed out Hannah’s youth because it is a pillar that holds up her opinion. Meaning when she is sixty and her genetic advantages are less obvious, I expect her change in perspective will facilitate a change in her opinion.
Hanna is just too strict and idealistic about it. The issue is that if people would really stop lying, then they could insult each other every day just by ways this greet each other, or even without insults it would be a disaster.
For example, one of the most annoying things is “How are you doing?” greeting, which is a “flat out lie” (as Hanna would say) question since the one who asks this fake question does not really care, and the one who answers it has to answer “I am fine”, which is often a flat out lie either.
Thus there is no way to go idealistic in real life to extremes as Hanna would prefer it.
Let’s be honest. This conversation started with the notion that women prefer confident men over shy guys. Then Cenk and the Scottish Guy explain how they never got female attention until they started to lie to women. Hannah is getting angry at men for the choice of women. Don’t women have agency? Aren’t women choosing to ignore normal guys and going for the guy who is lying because they want to be lied to? Women want to be lied to and men will be alone until they learn how to lie.
You guys should have Hannah and Francis on the main show far more often! This is a great panel.
Hannah is correct. Stop the lying. Men love attention, getting laid, being rich, being powerful, being famous and every man want’s to be President! Men are also very lazy and will lie and cheat to get what they want if nobody stops them.
Look at Trump, he learned at a very early age that being a dick and lying got him attention. He learned at an early age that being a dick and lying got him laid. Then he learned that being a dick and lying could make him rich. Then he learned that being a dick and lying when you are rich makes you powerful. The he learned that being a dick and lying when you are rich and powerful, you can use it to become famous for doing nothing. Now he has learned that being a dick and lying when you are rich, powerful and famous for doing nothing, could make him President!
When lying becomes the norm like it is these days, then is makes it harder to spot or prevent people from turning into Trump’s.
Be honest, tell the truth and STOP THE CYCLE OF TRUMP’s! Friends don’t let friends become a TRUMP!
As an Aussie with a strong country accent, this accent conversation is why I want to move to USA (if Bernie wins, fingers crossed) :P
I liked Cenk pointing out the difference in male vs female accents in certain places…. I find that with Indian accents…. Don’t care for it on males, but enjoy it on females. It comes across as a lot softer and gentle. But maybe there are certain regional accents within India that I’m hearing, that I just don’t know about? I admit I don’t know much about the area… But if it’s true (anecdotally) with Cenk’s mom vs him/him dad then it could easily be true of Indian accents too.
I wear makeup and get dolled up because it helps me to feel more Confident.
but i’m not gonna lie, and its not just makeup, heals ETC, Women and men both Lie. all the damned time, to get laid.
The Reverend is preaching! And Hannah is trying to say it’s not lies, they’re just “enhancements.” GTFO!
I am laughing so hard!! Haha.
Buncha kids on the show tonight. Hahaha.
I am a 64 year old male married for 34 years, so my opinion doesn’t count, but I have to agree with Hannah. You can’t fucking lie to someone in an attempt to get laid unless you are pretty sure you never want to see them again.
My thoughts exactly.