The Young Turks November 17, 2014 Hour 2

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Ana joins Cenk for SCS. Bill Cosby has cancelled an appearance on Letterman after more rape allegations have come out from as far back as 1969. Audio of Rush Limbaugh coming to Cosby’s defense is played. After Nicki Minaj caught hell for her music video for her new song with Chris Brown, Drake, and Lil Wayne that had serious Nazi imagery, the creator of the video came out in defense of it, while admitting the Nazi images weren’t an accident. Minaj apologized via Twitter, while he went on Alex Jones’ show for his defense. Video of NYC men being interviewed about why they catcall women on the street. Ana wants to flip the script and cat call men on the street. Cenk tells her what response she will get. The story of Persistent Genital Arousal Disorder plaguing one particular woman that has constant orgasms everyday. TYT Supreme Court on how many orgasms everyday is just enough. Jayar falls at 2, Ana between 5-10, Jesus at 2, and Cenk at 4-5.

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Nicki Minaj Apologizes For Nazi Imagery, Director Doesn’t
http://goo.gl/brinsB

Rush Limbaugh defends Bill Cosby against rape allegations: ‘It’s not like he did it yesterday’
http://goo.gl/OWY84x

Men Explain Exactly Why They Catcall Women On The Street (Video)
http://goo.gl/N09kuJ

Another Woman Comes Forward To Accuse Bill Cosby Of Rape
http://goo.gl/QIcB24

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  2. Gathly’s posts below are great. They speak to what I experienced years ago as a young, attractive woman living in densely populated areas. Routinely being catcalled (or whatever you want to call it) prevents you from being able to relax and be your normal self in public spaces, and unless you’ve regularly experienced it, it’s hard to understand what a major loss that can be. I remember that loss and how significantly it impacted my daily life. Once I stepped out my door, I knew what was coming and it was always the same. It changed everything—the way I walked and carried myself, the way I listened, the way I talked, the way I thought, the way I felt. I became hyper-vigilant, avoiding eye contact while scanning the environment for the next person I was likely going to be approached (verbally or physically) by, and I was rarely wrong. I couldn’t allow myself, ever, the experience of walking alone down the street while lost in thought. (If I tried, I’d be yanked out of it before long by a honk or jeer or, um, “compliment”). I often became a different person, a tense, hyperaware robot focused on reaching my destination or getting out of that public space so I could relax again and simply be.

    As gathly said, not everyone is a narcissist. I’m not. I gain nothing positive from being catcalled, honked at, or even approached with a compliment while I’m at the store trying to pick out a deodorant. I’m older now and less attractive, and I live in the suburbs, and I’m a mom, and there is a tremendous difference between the experience of moving through public spaces now and all those years ago. Now I’m mostly left alone, and it’s fucking great, though those earlier years made such an impression that I still exhibit much of the same hyperaware behavior, and I still tend to tense up and keep my head down whenever I walk by a group of men. That is a lasting loss in my life when it comes to how I interact with and relate to people, and I can’t help but resent it.

    2. I 100% know how you feel, bobbinna. I have experienced the exact same thing. I would try to ignore men who yelled at me on the street (not turn my head)) and they would continue to yell at me over and over and over! They would not stop! It was amazing to me. It seemed so obvious that I was not going to respond but that was not acceptable to them. They were determined to yell something rude at me. Once I could tell a man was going to say something to me so I crossed the street to avoid him. He yelled at me across the street! I couldn’t believe it. I had crossed from the side of the street that had a sidewalk to the side that didn’t and walked in the grass to avoid this man but he was clearly determined to harass me. I hated knowing that if I left my house, I was going to be harassed that day. One way or another a man would do something to make me feel uncomfortable. As an introvert it was especially draining to me.

  3. is it just me or does the video player crash every now and then? And by every now and then I mean at least 3-4 times a play-through.

    1. I have never once watched the show through the video player. I get the podcast downloaded to my phone every day, and it never has any problems at all.

  4. Once again, Ana is confusing herself for the rest of women. It is not welcome to all women that some strange guy come up to them in a store and say they’re pretty. Not everyone is a narcissist that feeds off of that kind of attention. It doesn’t matter what the intention of the man was, or if some people are like Ana and would like it. The point is that men all over feel they have the right to talk to women if they’re in public in a way they don’t feel about men. That same guy would not walk up to a man and tell him he looked beautiful, because men have the right to be left alone in our society, but women are considered fair game to invade their personal space. The same man would also not come up to Ana if there was a man standing with her, because she’s protected by his greater rights as a full human while near him.

    These are very old habits, mores and culture. They stretch back to the invention of agriculture, so even though we think we’re making some progress, and we are making some, the instincts are heavily ingrained in us as individuals and in society as a whole. Rather than excuse it because it’s not as bad as it could be, we should be recognizing it for what it is and attempting to challenge it.

    1. As a man I feel that I must interject my opinion here (excuse my privilege) and say there is a slight chance you have no idea what you’re talking about.
      No man I know feels differently about invading a man’s or a woman’s space when it comes to compliments. It’s just that the compliments are different. In fact, the only times I’ve gotten random compliments it’s always been guys telling me my jacket, pants etc. are fresh. On a second thought, a gay guy actually said I was cute once. If someone gets offended by straight up polite compliments like that I would argue the problem lies with the recipient of the compliment (of course if a guy is disrespectful while giving a “compliment” then he is 100% in the wrong).

      Now, sure, one can argue that a straight guy giving another straight guy a compliment is different because there is no implicit offering of dick involved, but the privilege-to-invade-women’s-space-only argument is pure bullcrap. As an introvert guy who never starts talking to random people or giving them compliments I feel we’re heading in the wrong direction when people are suggesting more people should be like me and never approach other people. Fuck that, if anyone should change it’s people like me. We all, including women, have and should have the right to approach anyone, until/unless that person objects to it, then we have to immediately accept that and happily move along.
      Sure, guys can be a pain in the ass and thick as concrete when it comes to approaching women. I’ve seen it many times, but the problem is the “pain in the ass” part and the total inability to read social cues, not the approach in itself, hence guys should learn to fucking act right, not be banned from approaching women altogether.
      Spread the love, and spread the compliments.

      1. There is also a chance you don’t know what you’re talking about. These things are not conscious. Your friends who you say (and maybe even believe) don’t think differently about invading space aren’t thinking in their conscious mind that they’re going to interrupt this girl’s life because she’s a girl. They are just more willing to do it, because of gender relationships we’ve all internalized since birth that don’t get questioned until someone points them out, and even then most people react by shutting down the conversation rather than look at it objectively.

        I’m not saying that no one should ever compliment each other. They should. However, there’s a difference between complimenting a woman who you are out with, with a group of friends say, that you’re already talking to and everybody is in the same space mentally, than randomly in some store or out on the street just interrupting someone you don’t know to compliment their looks. You sounded sarcastic when you said “pardon my privilege” but that’s exactly what that is.

        You’re right that obnxious men are worse, disgusting catcalls are worse than simply saying “smile”, but they all stem from the same attitudes. There is definitely a different attitude society takes toward women of a certain age in public alone that they don’t take with men of the same age in public alone. Maybe a woman is hot, and you really like the way she looks, but that doesn’t mean she needs to hear it from you. In fact, society has been telling her her whole life that that’s mostly all she’s good for, and she isn’t doing womanhood right if she doesn’t appreciate being noticed sexually by strange men. But it would be nice if women were given the right, like men are, to simply exist in public spaces as human beings and not temporarily manless sex beings in need of male attention immediately.

        1. You’re soooo wrong on this. There’s nothing bad about complimenting someone, what is bad is not getting where that someone stands on the issue.

          And you’re acting like the guys have this privilege that women don’t. It’s not like men don’t allow women to make them compliments, lol. It’s not like if a single man walks on the street and a woman finds him attractive and politely tells him that, he’s like “oh no, this is an attack on my well being”.

          So stop acting childish and start putting everybody on the same playing field before you complain about the lack of equality. I’m very close of saying “typical feminazi”.

          It’s not that you don’t bring interesting points, but they simply aren’t actually true. In the case of a woman with a men by her side not being approached by another man, the same can be said about a man with a woman by HIS side not being approached by another woman.

          It’s not that hard to comprehend this, is it?

    2. Wow, just Wow. I remember back when I was in College my roommates and I were the walking, talking definition of M.S.P. (Male Sexist Pig) and we’d sit around and make jokes about Feminists and trust me they weren’t pretty. One night after drinking I joked that soon Men would be persecuted for even complimenting a woman on the street corner. The laughter stopped and I was told that that would never happen because that was to extreme…(considering that the joke prior was about forced sex-change operations for men, we can see how drunk and where our priorities were.) Fast Forward 14 years and damned if I wasn’t on to something. Thanks Womyn! You are turning into a parody of yourselves!

      I’ve since grown up but let’s just be honest, if you never talk to a stranger you can never make a new friend. So if we aren’t able to start a conversation with a compliment… what? How should we start it? Go fuck yourself? Yep I think that is how we should make friends and influence others… The 1st amendment states we have freedom of speech, It doesn’t say we have the right not to be offended.

  5. There is not much “credible” (Cenk’s claim) in “Better Call Saul” civil money lawyer gathering women where to claim that they were raped decades ago — with all of them never going to police, but all of sudden now turning brave for civil money lawsuit.

    In fact, this circumstance is quite opposite to “credible”. It is hard to believe that none of tens of women was principal/brave enough to call police at the alleged time line of the events by all of them are brave now for money.

    1. At a different point Cenk quote one of the women that she does not want any money, on how stature of limitations is over, and that she can not bring it to court — all of this is bullshit PR campaign since:
      1) all of “victims” in such case always state they do not want any money in the beginning;
      2) stature of limitations being over has nothing to do with civil money lawsuits, it can not prevent them. However, it the case can not go through criminal court where the burden of proof is higher, and it makes things easier for Better Call Saul lawyer since civil litigation has much lower burden of proof;
      3) she certainly can join civil money lawsuit at any time.

      So while the charges could theoretically be absolutely real, there is no way to call them “credible” as of now. If after few years from now women will still not be engaged in civil money lawsuit or selling their stories to tabloids or books et cetera, then those claims could be considered as credible.

        1. There is no such fact; as I explained, they always say it in the beginning. It will be believable only after few years from now.

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