Cenk hosting today. Putin signed an annexation of Crimea today and some violence broke out in the region while Russia played dumb about it. John Kerry told Russia that if they make one move past Crimea, there will be a big problem. Putin also spoke out today about the hypocritical nature of America and the West in breaking international law to invade sovereign nations. His words are sadly right. Crazy Ret Lt. Colonel Ralph Peters spoke to Bill O’Reilly about the situation in Ukraine. Video of BillO comically pronouncing Russian names on the sanctions list. Peters then proposed that Obama leads without thinking negotiations will solve all the world’s problems, hinting that we need to threaten force. Audio of radio host Mark Levin getting mad at a caller’s correction of his grammar while disagreeing over atheism. MSNBC’s Toure did a solo commentary on why although he believes in the principles Elizabeth Warren espouses, he thinks we can only win if we go with the electable Hillary Clinton. Cenk goes off on this opinion. Scary Chart Time on carbon dioxide levels and climate change. A NC State Rep that wrote radically wrong and incendiary things about homosexuality and AIDS back in the ‘80s is still defending his assertion that “Weaponized AIDS” is being wielded by gays. President Nixon’s young attorney, Louis Powell had the idea to use the SCOTUS to help The Chamber of Commerce and corporations to control the government and country. Ever since Powell got on the Court and implemented these kinds of rules, the Court has gone along with The Chamber’s opinion nearly all of the time.
Hour 1 source articles
Touré Backs ‘Electable’ Hillary over ‘Inexperienced’ Elizabeth Warren
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/toure-backs-electable-hillary-over-inexperienced-elizabeth-warren/
Fox Analyst: Putin Is Like ‘Game Of Thrones,’ Obama Is like ‘Downton Abbey’ (VIDEO)
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/ralph-peters-putin-game-of-thrones-obama-downton-abbey
Putin signs Crimea treaty as Ukraine serviceman dies in attack
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/18/us-ukraine-crisis-idUSBREA1Q1E820140318
Supreme Court Ruled In Favor Of The Nation’s Top Corporate Interest Group In 7 Of 8 Cases This Term
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/03/13/3398661/supreme-court-ruled-in-favor-of-the-nations-top-corporate-interest-group-in-7-of-8-cases-this-term/
Comments
One thing I can’t stand is when Cenk says someone is not a ‘real progressive’. Or ‘if you believe in *fill in the blank*, then you’re not a real progressive. What is a ‘real’ progressive? I’m beginning to think that Cenk’s circle of friends is just a circle of people who think exactly, or close, to what he thinks and often share the same beliefs. When you have a broader circle with much broader beliefs you begin to see that the left, specifically progressives, don’t all agree on everything. When Cenk says someone isn’t a progressive it seems as if he’s trying to be one of the gatekeepers of the progressive movement. I may be the only one who feels this way, buy it bugs the hell out of me.
It”s according to his own personal progressive index, a real progressive is someone who actually holds progressive ideals and pushes for them in legislation. A fake progressive, what Cenk gets so animated about, is someone who campaign on progressive ideology but has no intention of ever pushing for progressive legislation. It’s not that hard to understand, he’s simply holding the rhetoric accountable.
Ever watch him and Ben talk about Obama? They disagree on a ton of stuff. But I doubt very much you’d hear him calling Ben a non progressive. It’s not disagreeing on issues that makes him say that, it’s people claiming to believe in progressive ideals but really only care about keeping the pro establishment, pro-wall street status quo, because that’s what benefits them. If it hurts their paycheck to support someone anti wall street, for Toure alot more indirectly then someone like Hilliary or other corporatist politicians, then they will fight it. And that’s what gets alot of people angry, because it shows how much of a leash money has got these people under. It’s maddening.
Toure is why the Democratic party is in serious trouble. Toure and his ilk don’t have the real conviction of their ideals that serve Americans over the Corporations. Hillary will be more corporate version of Obama. NICE!
Surprise!!! The establishment otherwise known as MSNBC will pine and serve up daily propaganda for the most corporate candidate in the Democratic party over any candidate that will serve the people of the United States.
Cenk is right about Warren, the MSNBC guy is cheerleading for a republican win, whether he knows it or not. Clinton is the favorite punching bag of the right, whereas Warren elicits no hatred, even from the right, who instinctively see her as a good person. When you give up your principles to win elections, you end up losing, either you lose the election, or you get the same candidate the republicans would have given you. Bill O’Reilly is also cheerleading for Clinton, btw.
even from the right, who instinctively see her as a good person
are you insane?
When Cenk says it “cost us Crimea”, we see the root of the problem. The west sees the crimea as “ours”, we helped the rebels because they’re going to go to the EU and implement austerity, and to a large extent they are nazis. I know that is an oversimplification but the nazi element is very dangerous and worth watching in the future, because they have designs on conquest and white nationalism. We know now that they are the ones responsible for the snipers, btw, and we still support them. What does that say about us? Even if our government really had nothing to do with this coup de tat, it really appears suspicious to many in the world, particularly in russia. We all know how bad russia and putin is, but it is not really clear how we are better except maybe for gay rights, and it looks like we started this whole thing and if so then russia is completely justified to fight back. Now, what happens if we get even MORE belligerent with russia with more sanctions and more tough talk? Well, I don’t know, maybe the just pull the plug on our SPACE PROGRAM? Yes, that’s right, our space program is now russia. We have come to depend absolutely on them, and have no ability to get to space within the next few years.
Honestly, I’m not that worried about global warming personally. Yes it’s happening and it’s really bad but so what if all those obnoxious coastal cities go away? It’ll be a rebirth of humanity for the better and there will just be a new coastline anyway. I live in the midwest, I think it will be amusing to watch the mass exodus from my soon to be winterless wonderland
I guess the mass starvation and suffering will be fun to watch too.
I think interesting is the more appropriate word, people watch horror movies for the same feeling.
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“I believe it sets a dangerous precedent to immediately judge someone based on allegations.” I love ya, Ana, but that has been the raison d’etre of the SCS since its inception. I watch the second hour despite the stupid judging without any foreknowledge that has become standard TYT fare.
Judge not, lest ye be judged. We all know for a fact that you hate to be judged yourself, but in my opinion Ana takes criticisms much too seriously. In my experience that is simply a consequence of an X chromosome deficiency.
I’ve just figured it out, Cenk has become the Lenny Bruce of talk show hosts. Once his biting criticism of the opposition was refreshing and funny, now its just getting tired and old.
The first hour has, by my count, literally devolved into a maximum of 5 stories, sometimes as few as three. The major theme is what dunderheads the others and their opinions are and how brilliant Cenk’s are. We all get it, Cenk IS smarter in many ways — partially because the others have to obfuscate more because their predetermined conclusions must be justified at all costs. Cenk has the easier job — reality, it’s out there for all to see.
In any case, ask Jimmy Dore. When the audience can mouth along with your bits they’re beginning to get stale.
Toure looks like a black Andy Samberg.
And am I missing something, or did the Toure guy said Warren was too liberal, so he’ll sacrifice his liberal ideals to vote for Clinton? Wait, what? Because she’s more electable or something?
Cenk’s simplistic and stupid analysis of the Crimean situation continues to be annoying. He’s trying to be more circumspect, but he cannot get off war footing. The west has lost Crimea? The west never had Crimea nor should have ever sought to acquire Ukraine. It is needless provocation on the part of the United States and the UK and EU are going along because they don’t seem to have any better answers.
After the Cold War, the west, mostly the US, has welshed on every promise made to Russia and continued to incessantly poke the bear. The US has no interest in Ukraine except to antagonize Russia and Putin (think Obama’s obsession with Edward Snowden) and is creating incidents in order to start a new superpower conflict with Russia.
Cenk is caught up in the jingoistic war-mongering because that is in his Republican genes. I wish Cenk would just shut the fuck up about Putin and Crimea and pass the subject to someone who can approach the issue with a more objective point of view.
There are plenty of US media and politicians calling for war, TYT does not need to be among those voices.
Agree; CENK IS WRONG ON THE FOLLOWING FACTS:
1) there was no just “armed storm of Ukrainian base”. There were two third-party snipers, one of which was caught: he is 17 y.o. from Lvov, Western Ukraine, from neo-Nazi “Right Sector”. They have hit both Ukrainians and “Defense forces” to provoke them fighting each other, not unlike how snipers hit both protesters and police special forces in Kiev last month. Cenk should have wondered: why would Putin order “armed storm” on the day of celebration of Crimea-Russia treaty, after three week peaceful stand off?
2) referendum bins were specifically made to be transparent, so everyone would see that there are empty in the morning, and no one throws in packs for pre-voted papers through the day. And there were international observers from over 23 countries., contrary to what Cenk has said previously;
3) Crimean Tatars were not excluded from the vote by authorities; many of them decided to boycott the referendum as per decision of their Miglis (deaspora leadership structure with strong ties with Ukrainian politics). However, many have voted nevertheless as Russia offers much better conditions that Crimean Tatars ever had in Ukraine — even their language as official standard for the region (remember that neo-Nazi junta immediately wanted to ban all regional languages). Putin has announces that Crimean Tatars will have big repatriation program;
4) The idea that all of sudden “Russians” or “self-defence” forced would want to decide to “intimidate” Crimean Tatars from voting while their diaspora leadership have decided to boycott referendum on their own ANYWAY — is ridiculous. Crimean Tatars have freely protested all last week freely and requested people NOT to vote. Nonetheless many Crimean Tatars did vote anyway (not everyone is controlled by Miglis), and overall tens of thousands of people voted *against* rejoining Russia, and nothing has happened to any of them. So, again, why would “Russians” or “self-defense” forces would want to this single protester? What was the point?
UPDATE on sniper incident: the previous information that one sniper was captured is denied, it was false propaganda by locals through social networks. On victims: two Cossacks (self-defense forces) and one Ukrainian soldier have been killed from position in an unfinished building near Ukrainian base.
Another update: one Cossack was killed, not two.
Pravda, is that you talking?
So this question means that you have nothing to argue me with?
Cenk’s main points are correct:
1) the past of Western international practices has played against them this time. Kosovo, Iraq and many other cases leave no say to Western countries against what Putin does;
2) Russia accepting Crimea — even though people wanted it for twenty three years and Ukraine now has no legal government, but neo-Nazi-driven junta instead, so it is only natural that Putin would not leave things as they were — is dangerous, potentially destabilizing;
BUT details and facts around those points should be double-checked so Cenk’s videos would not have 300+ dislikes on the issue.
One point Cenk does not make is IMMEDIATE USA/EU role in whole thing. There is no way Putin would make his Crimea move just out of the blue. Neo-Nazi coming into power as Kiev’s junta thanks to USA/EU help was scary to every Russian-speaker through out Ukraine, as well as in Russia. The likes of Victoria “F-k EU!” Nuland and Joseph Bided are partially to blame, as they co-financed and co-managed whole revolt thing (according to Wikileaks and internal talk leaks).
So formalities aside, what has happened is:
1) coup that is only supported by 40% of Ukrainians (pro-EU route, according to December poll; actually less, since only 5% of Ukraine voted for neo-Nazi Svoboda party, which now controls eight ministries, including armed forces and security) — BRAZEN undemocratic move;
2) Putin’s move in Crimea as I have said, is destabilizing, but it *is* de-facto democratic, as there is no doubt that Crimea wanted to reunite with their homeland (despite questionable referendum, international media journalists had hard time finding people voting against rejoining Russia), the more so in conditions where Ukraine has no constitutional order and is de-facto controlled by neo-Nazi. Putin agreed to demarcation of Ukraine-Russia border around Crimea ten years ago — even though legality of Crimea under Ukraine control was always in question due to 1954’s transaction contradicting USSR laws — only with understanding that there will be constitutional order, no NATO aspirations, no neo-Nazi in Kiev.
It’s patently false that there is any substantial Neo-Nazi movement in the Ukraine. Yes, there are some extremist elements in the protests in Kiev and other major cities. This doesn’t mean that they would have any power in the new government after new elections. Ukrainian might be better off without Crimea , since without those votes the last President of Ukraine would have never been elected.
There is nothing false that eight neo-Nazi occupy minister-level positions in junta, including security and armed forces. It is literally true, they are swastika-happy Svoboda party members.
Yes, Crimea going away will allow Western regions win elections more easily. Yanukovich was elected only because he was the only candidate against discrimination of Russian-speakers. Everybody knew he is corrupt, no better than opposition leader Tymoshenko (see Lararenko case, investigated by USA authorities).
More people voted in Crimea than registered citizens living there. Enough said.
This is wrong claim; there were about 1.5 million voters. Lood up what actual field journalists have wrote about the vote, as well as detailed comments from international observers (from 23 countries).
This is nitpicky, but little known fact. Both William Wallace, and Robert The Bruce (depicted inaccurately in Braveheart as an appeaser, where he is actually a national hero for fighting for Scottish independence and one of Scotland’s most famous warriors and kings), were both born into the nobility. So you guys were saying Scottish nobles were appeasers…well, those two were nobles and they certainly weren’t. Just pointing that out. Braveheart is STUPENDOUSLY inaccurate. So inaccurate…did you know kilts weren’t even worn by Scots during the period of William Wallace!? That the war paint was from the period of the picts, centuries earlier!? So bad…
is anyone else under the impression they’re squeezing the bandwidth of TYT?
I can watch, literally, 2 different HD videos on YouTube at the same time AND play a video game without stuttering on any of the three, but TYT videos have significant trouble loading.
same problem here, video barely loads and the download time is 7hours, but I can have multiple other things running with no problems
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