The shaytards, CTFxC, Wheezywaiter, and the Vlogbrothers are honest as well as many other youtubers. Also Shay from the shaytards have said many times that when you cheat you are only cheating yourself. Don’t cheat don’t cheat yourself. Be yourself and keep having integrity and kick the republicunts asses. The best way to win is the honest way.
This is old news. I already figured that the likes were fake as well as other things. Twitter allows robots and stuff as far as I know. Also there are other website thinks that just count the clicks and not the actual peoples who care about your website. Most people don’t care about the fake likes. They just think the likes are a good thing. I know one of Jimmy Dore’s friends said he wanted an ap for fake thumbs up for comments/posts on Facebook. I don’t know if he was joking or not but he said he didn’t care if the thumbs up were fake he wanted them anyways. He might want them for comedic purposes as well. I don’t care about the thumbs up and stuff.
I know you guys work your asses off. Looking for stories and having to do post game and stuff. That your pay is shit because Ana doesn’t stop bitching about it. I love that you guys also get to have fun there. There should be play with work stuff.
Honest and frank outline of the dilemmas by Steve. As an addition to the above comments about honesty and integrity (which is the beating heart of the show) I would just like to add the fact that the downside of an ‘expose’ if you did buy likes etc would be highly disproportionate to the crime. Fox etc can easily weather the storm as it will likely be just a gust of wind. However, when directed at TYT the proverbial nuclear bomb would be dropped.
The premise of the FB article is that “play by the rules” advertisement (through facebook) has the same result as the click farm. Facebook’s official advertisement are supposed to just suggest your page to users. The problem, is that the vast majority of those that actually like it are fake accounts that have to add some noise to avoid automatic detection.
But it can actually be counterproductive to have extra likes. If your goal is to increase your “liked” number, it works, but that’s really just a means to an end. Fake users aren’t engaged. In fact, fake users remove engagement because without promoting your posts, each post is only shown to about 20% of a page’s followers. If all your users are real, that’s fine, but if you have 50% fake followers, then you cut into that 20%.
Now, YouTube has an incentive to remove fake views because they pay based on views, but facebook doesn’t because they get paid based on likes.
First of all, Steve, I want to thank you for candidly sharing your confusion about the fine line between honesty and dishonesty as you try to negotiate a better future for TYT. It is precisely your confusion that gives me some hope that TYT will remain true and honest.
Truth and honesty are TYT’s currency. And many of us who contribute to TYT’s survival do so because this is what we value. And how many media outlets can say that this is what their subscribers want and this is what they are paying for?
It would be a sad loss for us and for TYT, if TYT were to abandon its core value.
Actually, I have a better idea. You can remain honest and capitalize on that at the same time. Next time you are at a meeting, tell them about how often people cheat, and let them know that you guys are 100% honest. On top of this, tell them that they can and should look at your followers on twitter, and people that have liked you on facebook etc… tell them to randomly audit and look at these peoples pages, and they will realize that taking a cross section of 10 people they will likely find that all 10 of those people are actually real people and do not follow a thousand other people or have not liked a thousand other pages.
Then, ask them to do the same thing for those people who you know are cheating!. BOOM! Gotcha :).
With Twitter it is not so clean as in YouTube, because even if you do not buy followers, certain percentage will be always fake: following real people/organizations is among things that help those fake accounts survive longer, imitating real people and interests.
If such audit you propose would take this into account, then it will serve the purpose. Twitter accounts that do buy followers have real/fake ratio of totally different proportions than accounts that get some portion of fake followers naturally, not soliciting it.
But I am nut sure that TYT’s potential sponsors and investors would even waste money on such audit, because raw figures are obviously not inflated. You can find blatantly inflated figures in just few seconds — they are order by magnitude bigger comparing to what TYT twitter accounts show.
Pretty cool post game. About Steve’s piece on doing business by the book being honest and all, well, maybe there is a way of “selling your fish” without resorting to lying, I would guess. Sure it’s difficult, but maintaining the integrity and good name of the company should be the bottom line, not the money… And I know that sounds naïve, but, what can you do?
Steve: stay the course, nothing beats honesty. When you win, it’s a clean victory you can be proud of, and sure that it was earned. When you are scrutinized, you have nothing to fear, for you run in the open, for all to see. When you speak, no one will question the truth of your words, for they will be evident in your actions. The truth is a light that pierces the darkness of ignorance, carry it proudly, and protect it from those that look to twist it to their gain.
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Nice shoutout to Veritasium now a journalist – things are looking up in Austrailia.
Steve who watches tv anymore?
The shaytards, CTFxC, Wheezywaiter, and the Vlogbrothers are honest as well as many other youtubers. Also Shay from the shaytards have said many times that when you cheat you are only cheating yourself. Don’t cheat don’t cheat yourself. Be yourself and keep having integrity and kick the republicunts asses. The best way to win is the honest way.
This is old news. I already figured that the likes were fake as well as other things. Twitter allows robots and stuff as far as I know. Also there are other website thinks that just count the clicks and not the actual peoples who care about your website. Most people don’t care about the fake likes. They just think the likes are a good thing. I know one of Jimmy Dore’s friends said he wanted an ap for fake thumbs up for comments/posts on Facebook. I don’t know if he was joking or not but he said he didn’t care if the thumbs up were fake he wanted them anyways. He might want them for comedic purposes as well. I don’t care about the thumbs up and stuff.
I know you guys work your asses off. Looking for stories and having to do post game and stuff. That your pay is shit because Ana doesn’t stop bitching about it. I love that you guys also get to have fun there. There should be play with work stuff.
I’m positive all the hosts from Pop Trigger pay companies to like their videos which are themselves “viral” advertisements for bad movies.
Great post game Steve & Malcolm. Honesty and integrity is the way to go.
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Russell Crowe film ‘Noah’ edited to appease Christians upset by ‘historical inaccuracies’
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/03/06/russell-crowe-film-noah-edited-appease-christians-upset-by-historical-inaccuracies/
Live from CPAC: The Most Important Panel Everyone Missed
http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/fixgov/posts/2014/03/06-cpac-2014-minority-outreach-panel-hudak
Gun lobbyist: ‘Healthy fear’ of getting shot keeps lawmakers and Piers Morgan in line
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/03/05/gun-lobbyist-healthy-fear-of-getting-shot-keeps-lawmakers-and-piers-morgan-in-line/
Report: Paul Ryan’s ‘brown bag’ CPAC story stolen from a book about a homeless child
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/03/06/report-paul-ryans-brown-bag-cpac-story-stolen-from-a-book-about-a-homeless-child/
Honest and frank outline of the dilemmas by Steve. As an addition to the above comments about honesty and integrity (which is the beating heart of the show) I would just like to add the fact that the downside of an ‘expose’ if you did buy likes etc would be highly disproportionate to the crime. Fox etc can easily weather the storm as it will likely be just a gust of wind. However, when directed at TYT the proverbial nuclear bomb would be dropped.
The premise of the FB article is that “play by the rules” advertisement (through facebook) has the same result as the click farm. Facebook’s official advertisement are supposed to just suggest your page to users. The problem, is that the vast majority of those that actually like it are fake accounts that have to add some noise to avoid automatic detection.
But it can actually be counterproductive to have extra likes. If your goal is to increase your “liked” number, it works, but that’s really just a means to an end. Fake users aren’t engaged. In fact, fake users remove engagement because without promoting your posts, each post is only shown to about 20% of a page’s followers. If all your users are real, that’s fine, but if you have 50% fake followers, then you cut into that 20%.
Now, YouTube has an incentive to remove fake views because they pay based on views, but facebook doesn’t because they get paid based on likes.
First of all, Steve, I want to thank you for candidly sharing your confusion about the fine line between honesty and dishonesty as you try to negotiate a better future for TYT. It is precisely your confusion that gives me some hope that TYT will remain true and honest.
Truth and honesty are TYT’s currency. And many of us who contribute to TYT’s survival do so because this is what we value. And how many media outlets can say that this is what their subscribers want and this is what they are paying for?
It would be a sad loss for us and for TYT, if TYT were to abandon its core value.
Steve was great, as usual.
Actually, I have a better idea. You can remain honest and capitalize on that at the same time. Next time you are at a meeting, tell them about how often people cheat, and let them know that you guys are 100% honest. On top of this, tell them that they can and should look at your followers on twitter, and people that have liked you on facebook etc… tell them to randomly audit and look at these peoples pages, and they will realize that taking a cross section of 10 people they will likely find that all 10 of those people are actually real people and do not follow a thousand other people or have not liked a thousand other pages.
Then, ask them to do the same thing for those people who you know are cheating!. BOOM! Gotcha :).
Erhan, a Turk from Australia.
With Twitter it is not so clean as in YouTube, because even if you do not buy followers, certain percentage will be always fake: following real people/organizations is among things that help those fake accounts survive longer, imitating real people and interests.
If such audit you propose would take this into account, then it will serve the purpose. Twitter accounts that do buy followers have real/fake ratio of totally different proportions than accounts that get some portion of fake followers naturally, not soliciting it.
But I am nut sure that TYT’s potential sponsors and investors would even waste money on such audit, because raw figures are obviously not inflated. You can find blatantly inflated figures in just few seconds — they are order by magnitude bigger comparing to what TYT twitter accounts show.
I LOVE that you are honest.
Pretty cool post game. About Steve’s piece on doing business by the book being honest and all, well, maybe there is a way of “selling your fish” without resorting to lying, I would guess. Sure it’s difficult, but maintaining the integrity and good name of the company should be the bottom line, not the money… And I know that sounds naïve, but, what can you do?
Steve: stay the course, nothing beats honesty. When you win, it’s a clean victory you can be proud of, and sure that it was earned. When you are scrutinized, you have nothing to fear, for you run in the open, for all to see. When you speak, no one will question the truth of your words, for they will be evident in your actions. The truth is a light that pierces the darkness of ignorance, carry it proudly, and protect it from those that look to twist it to their gain.
So glad we got a friday post game this week. I love these. I think it needs to be a concrete thing.