September 03, 2013 Hour 1

In [DEAD] Main Show, Membership, The Young Turks Hour 1 - On Demand by Elderrune33 Comments

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John Iadarola, David Rubin, Jimmy Dore, and Desi Doyen.  President Obama has decided to get Congressional approval to intervene in Syria.  He explained his reasoning for doing this while opponents of his had multiple reasons to be upset about this decision.   Video of Rep Boehner fully supporting Obama’s decision to go through Congress and going into Syria. Rand Paul’s reasoning for being against intervening in Syria is because Assad has protected Christians and the rebels have attacked Christians.  Video of John McCain telling Fox and Friends’ Kilmeade that a Muslim saying Allahu Akbar is the same as saying Praise God and that he shouldn’t base his support on who yells the words.  A new NC law is frustrating police committed to destroying guns that they confiscate to get off of the streets.  The NRA is a part of this law that “saves” these guns, which end up back into the community. Dennis Rodman returns to N. Korea for a basketball league with Kim Jong Un, but spoke about how he thinks he can talk to Un about releasing journalist Kenneth Bae.

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  1. I’m with Jimmy. John is fine and all, but he’s too much like Michael Shure for my taste. He’s way too willing to agree with the conventional wisdom of Washington and take the words of Democrats at face value.

    1. iknorite. I’m having Cenk withdrawal man. This panel would’ve been a segment on CNN if it weren’t for Jimmy Dore. Also TYT needs to find another Cenk-type pundit. How hard can that be?

  3. I get where John is coming from, but the U.S. should not take action alone and at the same time undermine the authority of the U.N. by saying their investigation is pointless. When it comes to the U.N., we only recognize it’s authority when it benefits us.
    For those looking for an interesting critique of the so called “evidence” being used to drive Americans into another war, take a look at this article from Gareth Porter, investigative historian and journalist with Truthout: http://truth-out.org/news/item/18559-how-intelligence-was-twisted-to-support-an-attack-on-syria

  4. No come on people John MCCain just said that Allahu Akbar means thank god!!!
    It does not mean that! it means god is great!
    So when a plane crashes and you say Allahu Akbar in a very distressed tone it means oh my god (dear muslims please correct me if I am wrong)

    1. Yeah, but it’s used in the same way. When you translate things, you can LITERALLY translate it or you can translate the basic meaning. This is a cultural thing that means they are praising or “thanking” god.

  5. Never thought I would say this, but John really sounds a bit like those warmongers on tv. Make no mistake, I’m not hating on him, he’s intiteled to his opinion, but I have come to expect better of him. It’s like goofball Bush tried to say, fool me once…
    Debbie has awesome points each & every week, a real voice of reason!

  6. I really enjoy the show, but damn Jimmy Dore is as petulant as he is callous. I enjoy his comedy, he’s usually pretty funny, but when he tries to weigh in seriously its painful. I wonder if he knows the implications of his own arguments, I regret to say it but somehow he strikes me as a man whose not read any of the arguments against his position.

      1. It’s not a fallacy to point out hypocrisy, which is what he’s doing when he says that we can’t complain about war crimes while committing war crimes. Sure, you can beat your wife with one hand, and use the other hand to point at some other guy and accuse him of beating his wife, but nobody will take you seriously, and they shouldn’t. We are just looking for an excuse to attack syria and everybody knows it, and we aren’t even sure about the facts of this attack yet. The establishment is lying us into another war and Jimmy is the only person on the panel who seems to be aware of that.

        1. What confuses me about this argument, that we’re looking for excuses to attack Syria, is that the media and right-wing aren’t banging the war drums in the same way they’ve done for Iran and Iraq. It seems to me that even the Washington establishment is holding back a little. But it might just be my perception.

      2. It’s called hypocrisy. You can criticize, but the value of that criticism is greatly diminished. And who uses logical debate rules in everyday life?

    2. At least he’s consistent, while Johnny I blatantly ignores history and the lack of standing we have to carry out “punishment”.

    3. You don’t know whether Jimmy reads things or not, and he’s not callous because he doesn’t buy the war propaganda, like the others apparently do, and want to bomb people in syria because people got bombed in syria. I can tell you that I don’t know a single person who is truly well informed and truly progressive who is not staunchly against this new war that’s about to happen, well, except for the young turks maybe, but I’m not so sure that the other members of this panel are well informed or truly progrressive.

  7. Yeah, thank God for Jimmy. The naiveté of the rest of the panel is astounding. Completely agreed that the current U.S. ruling class would happily use nuclear weapons again if it were feasible.
    In case that Iran got a nuke, they would still be much less of a danger to the region than Pakistan is to their region. Trying the scare the Russians into not doing whatever the hell they want in case they would return to invading countries is laughable, too. They still got enough nukes to destroy the entire planet several times over.

    1. I think that the other members of the panel have bought the government line hook line and sinker. They seem to have no clue that things aren’t what they seem, and that the government/media is lying about their motives.

  8. Omg. Jimmy Dore is the only person I can tolerate on this panel. (btw I love Jimmy Dore. He’s my man crush) TYT Don’t ever put a weak sauce panel like this ever again. “Johnny I” needs to stay over in TYT university and learn how to be interesting.

    2. I agree, there is a heavy bit of advocacy for war coming from all of the panel except for Jimmy, and Jimmy isn’t using a fallacy when he says that the US can’t complain about war crimes while committing war crimes, it’s called “pointing out hypocrisy”. The point he’s making is that this is bullshit, there are ulterior motives, and we are doing this for a pipeline to transport stolen iraqi oil to the mediterranean, while other war crimes are going on in the world that we don’t give a shit about, and while we are also committing war crimes ourselves. Once we get our pipeline, we will let whoever runs syria murder as many people as they want and we won’t even acknowledge it’s happening.

  9. Thank God for Jimmy on this panel. If it’s a ‘red line’ and ‘against international law’ to use chemical weapons on your people, then let the United Nations take it up. They aren’t moving. That does NOT mean the the United States need to put on their cowboy boots and go police the fucking world!

  11. Honestly I would rather have Assad than Moslem radicals. As a veteran killing is killing doesn’t matter you do it gas or big bomb.

  12. When John Iadarola went on his schpiel about us having a long-standing stance against chemical weapons, did he forget than not 10 minutes earlier, Dore was giving examples of times when we fully allowed or even endorsed the use of such weapons?
    That sounds a little “Michael Shure” where logic is thrown out the window and, due to shear patriotism and select historic events where the US was the good guy, we should be held to different standards as others.

    2. The US has to go police all over the world, so no one can take the US responsible for their crimes against humanity and war crimes. It is as simple as that.

    3. You mean chemicals like agent orange in vietnam? ;) Jeez if I only could remember who used that, must have been the vietkong right?

  13. Jimmy Dore was definitely the most progressive one on that panel. He was absolutely right, and the only one in my opinion who took a moral, consistent position with regard to war and US foreign policy. This really is about something else, it’s about oil, they need to run a pipeline from western iraq through syria in order to get the spoils of the iraq war to market. That means you can bet that we’ll be controlling syria either directly or through a new puppet dictator in the near future, unless china or russia stops us.

  15. The nuclear bombings didn’t end the WWII (though it contributed to it). The Soviet advances on Japanese occupied China did it.

      1. Crap. The soviets began attacking after the the second bomb was dropped and the Japanese already offered conditional peace before the bombs. The first major breakthrough by the red army was on the same day Japan accepted unconditional surrender and was taken without knowledge of what happened in Manchuria. Oliver Stone’s entire documentary is as good as used toilet paper, I know because I spent the last 10 years immersing my self in wwii military history.

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